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Deberg_1990 09-24-2012 02:27 PM

How do you rank the NFL starting QBs?
 
Heres my take....whats yours?

Do you consider guys like Schaub, Cutler, Rivers, Romo, etc.... "Franchise QBs" ? (Basically all the guys in the Good but not yet great tier)

revised list Oct 14 2013


Top Tier:
Brady
Roethlisberger
P. Manning
E. Manning
Rodgers
Brees
Flacco


Not yet great, but have upside:

Kaepernick
Wilson
Stafford
Luck
RGIII
Ryan

Good, but have reached plateau:
Rivers
Romo
Cutler
A Smith
Dalton

Jury still out, have upside with question marks:

Wheedon
Locker
Newton
Tannehill
Bradford
Geno Smith
Pryor
Manuel
Glennon




Bottum Rung:
Schaub
Ponder/Cassel/Freeman
Palmer
Vick
Gabbert

TEX 09-24-2012 03:12 PM

I thik Eli Manning is the best QB right now.

Top Tier: - The Guys that won it.
E. Manning
Rogers
Brady
Brees
Roethlisberger
P. Manning

Secod Tier - Best out of the rest

Flacco
Schaub
Romo
Ryan
Rivers
Stafford
Vick
Palmer
Cutler - He's last because he's such a douche. Today's Jeff George

3rd Tier - Guys with Potential in no particular order

Ponder - Love this kid
Gabbert
Luck
Locker
RGIII
Ponder
Stafford
Newton
Wilson
Tannehill
Bradford
Gabbert
Wheedon
Freeman
Sanchez
A Smith

Bottom Tier - Reached their potential - Back up QB material

Kolb
Fitzpatrick
Cassel

Reerun_KC 09-24-2012 03:14 PM

Having Culter on the good list was inexcusable...

TEX 09-24-2012 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 8946416)
Having Culter on the good list was inexcusable...

I at least have him LAST on that list.

BigMeatballDave 09-24-2012 03:18 PM

I'd most certainly take Kolb over Kasl right now.

Rasputin 09-24-2012 03:27 PM

I can see it being Flacco and Matt Ryan in the Super Bowl this year.

mr. tegu 09-24-2012 03:36 PM

OP has Stafford in two categories. So do you think he is in the "good" or the "jury is still out section?" Personally I would put him in the "jury" section. He can't stay healthy and is capable of lots of interceptions.

Blick 09-24-2012 04:07 PM

I don't know why Freeman wouldn't be in the "jury still out but has upside" group.

Start Croyle 09-24-2012 04:19 PM

Top Tier: The elite QBs
E. Manning
Rogers
Brady
Brees

Second Tier: Battle-proven, top QBs:
Roethlisberger
P. Manning
Schaub
Flacco

Third Tier: Good QBs
Romo
Ryan
Rivers

4th Tier: Strong rookies and high-potential developing QBs:
Stafford
Newton
Bradford
RGIII
Luck

5th Tier: On their way down but still deserve to start, or up-and-coming with the jury still out
Vick
Cutler
Palmer
Sanchez
Fitzpatrick
A Smith
Kolb

6th tier: Unproven, mid-potential rookies and developing QBs
Locker
Gabbert
Ponder
Wilson
Tannehill
Wheedon
Freeman

7th Tier: QBs who aren't starting
Tebow
Quinn
McCoy
Leinart
Thigpen
Moore

8th Tier: QBs who aren't in the league
Croyle
Young
Russell
Farve
Warner
Testeverde

9th tier: Cassel
Cassel

Jiu Jitsu Jon 09-25-2012 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Start Croyle (Post 8946573)
Top Tier: The elite QBs
E. Manning
Rogers
Brady
Brees

Second Tier: Battle-proven, top QBs:
Roethlisberger
P. Manning
Schaub
Flacco

Third Tier: Good QBs
Romo
Ryan
Rivers

4th Tier: Strong rookies and high-potential developing QBs:
Stafford
Newton
Bradford
RGIII
Luck

5th Tier: On their way down but still deserve to start, or up-and-coming with the jury still out
Vick
Cutler
Palmer
Sanchez
Fitzpatrick
A Smith
Kolb

6th tier: Unproven, mid-potential rookies and developing QBs
Locker
Gabbert
Ponder
Wilson
Tannehill
Wheedon
Freeman

7th Tier: QBs who aren't starting
Tebow
Quinn
McCoy
Leinart
Thigpen
Moore

8th Tier: QBs who aren't in the league
Croyle
Young
Russell
Farve
Warner
Testeverde

9th tier: Cassel
Cassel

In all fairness, since Palmer hasn't even had a full regular season with his team I think he should be higher on that list.

KCrockaholic 09-25-2012 12:34 AM

Elite: Brady. Rodgers. Brees. Eli Manning.

2nd Tier: P. Manning. Matt Ryan. Flacco. Roethlisberger. Schaub.

3rd Tier: Stafford. Cutler. Rivers. Romo. Alex Smith. Vick.

4th Tier: Palmer. Dalton. Newton. Luck. RG3. Bradford. Freeman.

5th Tier: Fitzpatrick. Sanchez. Locker. Ponder. Gabbert. Wilson.

6th Tier: Kolb. Tannehill. Weeden. Cassel.



My honest take.

Hammock Parties 09-25-2012 12:35 AM

Homers wish Cassel was 5th tier.

He's in some kind of purgatory between the 5th tier and the 7th tier.

Tribal Warfare 09-25-2012 12:38 AM

In all honesty, I think good ole Matt is regressing in a big way with the Huard fetal concerning the passrush.

Hammock Parties 09-25-2012 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 8948878)
In all honesty, I think good ole Matt is regressing in a big way with the Huard fetal concerning the passrush.

He played better football last year.

KCrockaholic 09-25-2012 12:41 AM

Phantom sack was fun though.

Tribal Warfare 09-25-2012 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8948883)
He played better football last year.

He can't say he protects the ball well anymore either with his constant INTs and fumbles during games.

DaneMcCloud 09-25-2012 01:12 AM

Cassel.

Then there's everyone else.

007 09-25-2012 01:13 AM

Who gives a shit how anyone ranks them. We know Cassel sucks.

Rausch 09-25-2012 01:19 AM

P. Manning isn't even a 2nd tier guy anymore. He has no velocity on his ball and he's made horrible decisions.

Not just some off target throws - HORRIBLE DECISIONS...

Deberg_1990 09-25-2012 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 8946462)
OP has Stafford in two categories. So do you think he is in the "good" or the "jury is still out section?" Personally I would put him in the "jury" section. He can't stay healthy and is capable of lots of interceptions.

yea, i fixed that. I put him in the "good but not yet great" category, but it could go either way with him honestly.

Anyways, i didnt realize it until i compiled the list, but i would take any other teams QBs over ours right now. Any of the 31.

Not saying we would win a championship with guys like Sanchez or Freeman a rookie QB, etc...., but at least those guys are younger and have better arms.

jd1020 09-25-2012 09:47 AM

I stop caring after Brady, Rodgers, Brees, E. Manning, Roethlisberger, Flacco, Ryan, and Rivers.

The rest either haven't been in the league long enough (Newton, Luck, RG3), haven't shown anything since they've been in the league (Freeman, Bradford), or can't stay on the field (Schaub, Stafford).

TEX 09-25-2012 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 8948939)
Cassel.

Then there's everyone else.


:clap: ROFL Good one!

TEX 09-25-2012 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCrockaholic (Post 8948867)
Elite: Brady. Rodgers. Brees. Eli Manning.

2nd Tier: P. Manning. Matt Ryan. Flacco. Roethlisberger. Schaub.

3rd Tier: Stafford. Cutler. Rivers. Romo. Alex Smith. Vick.

4th Tier: Palmer. Dalton. Newton. Luck. RG3. Bradford. Freeman.

5th Tier: Fitzpatrick. Sanchez. Locker. Ponder. Gabbert. Wilson.

6th Tier: Kolb. Tannehill. Weeden. Cassel.



My honest take.

I think you nailed it.

Thig Lyfe 09-25-2012 11:01 AM

Cassel doesn't even deserve a goddamn tier.

CoMoChief 09-25-2012 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thig Lyfe (Post 8949658)
Cassel doesn't even deserve a goddamn tier.

This x10000 LMAO

Pasta Little Brioni 09-25-2012 12:04 PM

Tebow
Tebow
Tebow
Tebow
Tebow
Tebow
Whoa
Oh/
NFL Network

Pasta Little Brioni 09-25-2012 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thig Lyfe (Post 8949658)
Cassel and Thiggy don't even deserve a goddamn tier.

FYP

Pasta Little Brioni 09-25-2012 12:34 PM

Elite
Rodgers
Eli
Brady
Brees
Ben

Very Good
Ryan
Stafford
Rivers
Flacco

Solid
Romo
Shaub
Cutler

Meh

Fitzaverage
Palmer

Younguns
Blah
Blah
Blah

Should be on Baywatch
Sanchez
Leinart

Cassel
Cassel

Not a QB

Tebow

boogblaster 09-25-2012 12:38 PM

no idea .. lots are have'n trouble this year .....

Ace Gunner 09-25-2012 12:50 PM

Romo looked good a couple weeks ago. Cassel looked bad every week. That is all I got for ya.

HemiEd 09-25-2012 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 8946247)
Heres my take....whats yours?

Maybe a category with "ascending," "there" and "descending" might be appropriate as well. "There" meaning they have reached their ceiling or close to it.
If I were picking, I would pick in this order:
Eli-there
Brady-there
Rodgers-there
Luck-Ascending
RGIII-Ascending
Roethesberger-there
Ryan-Ascending
Newton-Ascending
Brees-Descending
Peyton-Descending
Flacco-Ascending
Cutler-there
Romo-there
Rivers-descending
Palmer-descending
Shaub-there
Bradford-ascending
Tannehill-ascending
Sanchez-ascending
Vick-there
Stafford-ascending
Freeman-ascending
Wilson-ascending
Ponder-ascending
Dalton-ascending
Locker-ascending
Smith-ascending
Wheedon-ascending
Gabbert-ascending
Fitzpatrik-ascending
Kolb-ascending














Cassel-will never get there and can not descend any further than whale shit on the ocean floor.

whoman69 09-25-2012 03:24 PM

Everybody else


Matt Cassel

Deberg_1990 02-05-2013 07:50 AM

So ive updated my list since its end of season.


How about your own rankings? Would you change anything now??

Rasputin 02-05-2013 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 8946444)
I can see it being Flacco and Matt Ryan in the Super Bowl this year.

Boom Ch Ka got one of them right and Matt Ryan sure could have made it too. They both have elite qualities.

Deberg_1990 02-05-2013 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 9379445)
Boom Ch Ka got one of them right and Matt Ryan sure could have made it too. They both have elite qualities.

I like Ryan alot, but he doesnt have elite arm strength on his deep balls. His recievers sort of have to hold up and wait for them to drop at times.

O.city 02-05-2013 08:38 AM

Brady, Brees, P. Manning, Rodgers elite.


Bunch of guys that are good enough, but need other guys around them.

htismaqe 02-05-2013 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 9379468)
I like Ryan alot, but he doesnt have elite arm strength on his deep balls. His recievers sort of have to hold up and wait for them to drop at times.

This.

Matt Ryan is pretty overrated actually.

Deberg_1990 02-05-2013 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9379477)
Brady, Brees, P. Manning, Rodgers elite.



Why do you not consider Roethlisberger, Flacco and E. Manning elite?

Deberg_1990 02-05-2013 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9379488)
This.

Matt Ryan is pretty overrated actually.

For now, Ryan is basically a younger version of Matt Schaub.

RyFo18 02-05-2013 08:55 AM

Best of the Best
Aaron Rodgers
Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Drew Brees

Menchildren
Ben Roethlisberger
Eli Manning
Robert Griffin III

Great
Joe Flacco
Colin Kaepernick
Russell Wilson
Matt Stafford
Tony Romo
Andrew Luck
Matt Ryan
Cam Newton

Solid, but won't put a team on their back
Phillip Rivers
Carson Palmer
Jay Cutler
Alex Smith
Andy Dalton
Matt Schaub
Josh Freeman

Room to Grow
Brandon Weeden
Jake Locker
Christian Ponder
Ryan Tannehill
Sam Bradford
Kevin Kolb
Michael Vick

shitbums
Mark Sanchez
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Matt Cassel
Blaine Gabbert

lcarus 02-05-2013 09:58 AM

Vick at the VERY bottom? Whatever lol

Deberg_1990 02-05-2013 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lcarus (Post 9379634)
Vick at the VERY bottom? Whatever lol

My list isnt meant to be a 1-32 ranking. Its just different tiers in no numerical order.

I agree its debatable what category Vick belongs in but hes somewhere in these:



Good, but have reached plateau:

Jury still out, have upside with question marks:

Bottum Rung:

Deberg_1990 10-14-2013 11:01 AM

Revised my list as of today...Oct 14 2013.

Do you agree? Should Eli and Big Ben still be in the top category??

Halfcan 10-14-2013 11:07 AM

Eli is far from Elite this year with 15 sacks and 5 fumbles.

NinerDoug 10-14-2013 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 10084893)
Revised my list as of today...Oct 14 2013.

Do you agree? Should Eli and Big Ben still be in the top category??

No. Definitely not Eli. He was always mediocre, IMO, and this season is down right horrible.

Deberg_1990 10-14-2013 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 10084913)
Eli is far from Elite this year with 15 sacks and 5 fumbles.

Hes is without a doubt, the hardest guy to rank. 2 titles though, and still has alot of years left to play.

Mav 10-14-2013 11:11 AM

bottom of the barrel.

29. ALEX SMITH
30. RYAN FITZPATRICK
31. BRANDON WEEDEN
32. BLAINE GABBERT

Just Passin' By 10-14-2013 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 10084893)
Revised my list as of today...Oct 14 2013.

Do you agree? Should Eli and Big Ben still be in the top category??

Neither Eli nor Flacco belong in the elite category.

Deberg_1990 10-14-2013 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 10084934)
bottom of the barrel.

29. ALEX SMITH
30. RYAN FITZPATRICK
31. BRANDON WEEDEN
32. BLAINE GABBERT

That's a little harsh. We would not be 6-0 with Fitz, Wheedon or Gabbert as our QB.

Mav 10-14-2013 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 10084971)
That's a little harsh. We would not be 6-0 with Fitz, Wheedon or Gabbert as our QB.

of course it is. But, im his biggest fan, im also his biggest critic. I expect more out of him than most everyone else.

Just disappointed. I thought that the titans game was an anomaly.

Iconic 10-14-2013 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 8946247)
Good, but have reached plateau:
Rivers
Romo
Cutler
A Smith
Dalton

Pick the odd one out.


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