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FloridaMan88 11-18-2012 10:23 PM

Fox Sports Article about Chiefs attempts to shutdown SOC activities today
 
http://www.foxsportskansascity.com/1...91&feedID=5089

Chiefs fans wear black, keep feeling blue

KANSAS CITY, Mo. — By the third quarter, Section 305, Row 31, shouting distance from the nosebleeds at Arrowhead Stadium, was as lifeless as the game below. As Brady Quinn was sliding helplessly into a fetal position, Eric Granell looked up and surveyed what he had wrought, the dots of black shirts, the rows of empty red seats. He shook his head.

"I feel bad," the Wichita resident and longtime Kansas City fan sighed as his Chiefs were manhandled by the Cincinnati Bengals in a 28-6 loss Sunday, the franchise's seventh straight defeat. "This is one of the longest-standing relationships (in my life), and here I am, having a public slap-fight with them. And it hurts. It really does. I don't enjoy this. I receive no joy from doing this."

He spoke with the tone of a mother sending a child to his room without supper, the conflicted pain of lashing out against something you love, even if you know it's the right thing to do. Granell is one of the engines driving "Safe Our Chiefs" (or SOC), a grassroots movement of fans who would like general manager Scott Pioli, coach Romeo Crennel and quarterback Matt Cassel out of their collective lives. As of early Sunday evening, the group had received 14,197 likes on Facebook and had 69,872 followers on Twitter.

Eric wore black to Sunday's game, and asked fans to do the same, assuming if they planned on coming, in order to mourn a wounded club, a dying regime and a dead season. By the count of SOC founder Marty McDonald, who was in Section 114, roughly 11,000 were here in black, and at least another 15,000 weren't here at all.

"Those fans in black and what have you, when contrasted against those empty seats, (it) really made them stand out even more," said McDonald, a Kansas City native who now lives in greater Phoenix. "I think it reveals that the Chiefs have a problem, and I hope (CEO) Clark Hunt would realize (Sunday) that he's got far bigger issues on his hands than he had before."

It has come to this for pro football in Kansas City: The state of the franchise whose founder, Lamar Hunt, whose name adorns the trophy given to the AFC champion, is to the point where things are far more interesting in the stands and around the football than the actual football itself. What was promised by Pioli to be Foxboro West is instead Berkeley East, a curious sideshow of protests, angst, and barbecue.

SOC again hired an aircraft to fly a banner over the stadium asking for Pioli's dismissal, its third flyover in the last three home games. The group has raised nearly $4,600 so far, Granell says, with any excess funds earmarked for a donation to the Boys and Girls Club of Kansas City.

"I mean, I have paid $40, $50 dollars over face (value), just to get into this stadium," said Granell, who's been coming to Chiefs games since 1992. "I love this stadium … I love what the crowd used to be. And it hurts to see this."

Chiefs management, for their part, have not publicly acknowledged SOC's repeated demands — but they know they're there. Franchise officials told FOX Sports Kansas City.com that they'd heard a certain group fans had tried to hand leaflets out to people in their cars near Arrowhead's entrance gates, but were stopped because it was impeding the flow of game traffic.

Granell contends that club interference went further than that. He brought to the game 5,000 fliers with the words "Fire Pioli" on one side and a list of unflattering details about the general manager's stormy reign on the other. (Example: "The Chiefs have been blown out by 14 or more points under Scott Pioili 19 times (before Sunday) in 58 games. The team he put together gets blown out more often than the Jacksonville Jaguars, who have been blown out 18 times within the same time span.") Granell said he distributed 4,000 in the parking lots adjacent to the stadium before being stopped by police.

"He said, ‘You're soliciting,'" Eric recalled. "(I said), ‘We're not soliciting anything. We're not selling these items, we're just giving them away.'"

Granell said that he recalled the officer informing him that they were told before the game "not to allow fliers to be passed (out)" in the parking lots.

"So, in the end, apparently," Eric continued, "our First Amendment rights end at the gate, once we pay for parking."

When asked about the incident, a Chiefs spokesperson said no one, security or otherwise, was specifically instructed to suppress fans from handing out fliers in parking lots. Regardless of which side you choose to believe, it's clear: Things are starting to get a little, shall we say, chippy.

"It's surprised me — it really, really surprised me that they're scared of a banner, they're scared of a flier," Grannell said. "If you look at the flier, all it is is containing statistics. And it's fact. It's absolute, unequivocal fact. It's irrefutable. So, apparently, we're not allowed to pass out information containing truth about the state of the organization, so we can't inform people of what's been going on."

It has come to this for pro football in Kansas City: An obituary in Sunday's paper, in remembrance of Loren "Sam" Lickteig, led off with a paragraph that described the 81-year-old as having "passed away on Nov. 14, 2012 of complications from MS and heartbreaking disappointment caused by the Kansas City Chiefs football team."

So now in turns out that following this team may, in fact, kill you. Or disappoint you to death.

Cornerback Brandon Flowers: "I definitely understand the frustration. I mean, come on. This is their team they love, and they love watching, and they're not winning. Who wouldn't be upset? We're not babies. We understand."

Tackle Eric Winston: "You see it (on other teams), and you're like, ‘Man, I can't imagine what 1-9 would feel like, or 2-10, or whatever it might be.' Well, this is what it's like. And either you're going to shrink from it, or you're going to find a way to deal with it and face it head-on and do something about it."

The players aren't dumb. Well, OK, they're not blind. They're noticing the discontent, too. When asked about the proliferation of black in the stands, safety Travis Daniels offered this:

"I just thought that Cincinnati traveled well. Because the other week, when we played Oakland, there were a lot of people wearing black, and they were cheering for Oakland … all the black, I just put that with Cincinnati. Why? Was it something different?"

Um, yes. Yes, it was.

"It's just a shame that ‘The Patriot Way' didn't work here," Grannell said. "Ultimately, ‘The Patriot Way' is stumbling over Tom Brady in the sixth round."

With that, he grimaced. Sometimes, love hurts. Come to think of it, so does the truth

Jerm 11-18-2012 10:25 PM

Arrowhead Gestapo out in full force...

HEIL~!

Hammock Parties 11-18-2012 10:26 PM

Pr capone has wrought terrible things! LMAO

notorious 11-18-2012 10:27 PM

Another home run.


The avalanche has begun.

Hammock Parties 11-18-2012 10:28 PM

Pr capone grew up a Jehovah's Witness, so there's some irony in him handing out flyers sending a message of hope.

the Talking Can 11-18-2012 10:29 PM

totally awesome

ClevelandBronco 11-18-2012 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh Janus (Post 9132047)
"The players aren't dumb. Well, OK, they're not blind."

Cheap and unnecessary. I like cheap and unnecessary.

Easy 6 11-18-2012 10:30 PM

Going to bed now, too much information to process today... circuits over *spzzzt buzz crackle* loaded.

/. @ wtf. org

the Talking Can 11-18-2012 10:30 PM

fat scott is punching cassel in the vag right now

Simply Red 11-18-2012 10:30 PM

I'm excited, it's like the part just before the freezing of Han Solo.

teedubya 11-18-2012 10:30 PM

What an awesome, awesome ****ing day...

FAX 11-18-2012 10:31 PM

Wowsers.

Powerful stuff, right there.

No offense to Mr. Lickteig and his family, but that is an obituary.

See ya, Pioli.

FAX

Brock 11-18-2012 10:31 PM

capone is so badass.

milkman 11-18-2012 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dylan (Post 9132096)
LOL...you got to love Pollard...Brutal hits. Wish we had him.

We don't want to hit Pioli.

We just want him fired.





Oh........wait.

Wrong thread, right?

BigRedChief 11-18-2012 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh Janus (Post 9132047)
The players aren't dumb. Well, OK, they're not blind. They're noticing the discontent, too. When asked about the proliferation of black in the stands, safety Travis Daniels offered this:

"I just thought that Cincinnati traveled well. Because the other week, when we played Oakland, there were a lot of people wearing black, and they were cheering for Oakland … all the black, I just put that with Cincinnati. Why? Was it something different?"

Um, yes. Yes, it was.

What an idiot. LMAO

Dylan 11-18-2012 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9132107)
We don't want to hit Pioli.

We just want him fired.





Oh........wait.

Wrong thread, right?



I'm sorry, milkman

I was multitasking - reading articles, watching MNF, posting...

Hammock Parties 11-18-2012 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 9132082)
I'm excited, it's like the part just before the freezing of Han Solo.

LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO

Does this mean 'Hamas' Skywalker is about to lose a lightsaber duel with Darth Cassel?

Imon Yourside 11-18-2012 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9132129)
LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO

Does this mean 'Hamas' Skywalker is about to lose a lightsaber duel with Darth Cassel?

No because even in a movie Cassel can't win.

FloridaMan88 11-18-2012 10:40 PM

Fat Scott's henchmen trying to claim that the only reason SOC representatives were stopped from handing out flyers was because they were "impeding game day traffic"... which is exposed as a lie when the police officers stopping the flyers from being handed out reveal that they were told before the game to prevent fans from handing out flyers in the parking lot (even though there is no rule against this in the stadium policies listed on the team's website).

The Chiefs are caught in a lie... with significant legal ramifications.

Jerm 11-18-2012 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9132129)
LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO

Does this mean 'Hamas' Skywalker is about to lose a lightsaber duel with Darth Cassel?

He'd just fumble his lightsaber anyways...

Iowanian 11-18-2012 10:41 PM

I wish they had pointed out the irony that on Veteran Appreciation day, Arrowhead Gestapo was attempting to deny the right of combat veterans the opportunity to pass out truthful facts to other fans.



The dumbasses who say this is a waste of time need to go polish their football rackets.



Players who have been here 5 minutes in the big picture can't be expected to understand why Chief fans are so upset, some of them were probably newborns the last time the Chiefs won a playoff game. Travis Daniels was 12 years old. Eric Winston was 11 and probably still watching Nickelodeon last time the Chiefs won a playoff game.

FloridaMan88 11-18-2012 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iowanian (Post 9132143)
I wish they had pointed out the irony that on Veteran Appreciation day, Arrowhead Gestapo was attempting to deny the right of combat veterans the opportunity to pass out truthful facts to other fans.



The dumbasses who say this is a waste of time need to go polish their football rackets.

Military veterans who sacrificed so much to defend our freedoms while the Chiefs attempt to crush one of the main tenants of our freedom... the right to peaceful public speech and assembly.

What a disgrace.

wazu 11-18-2012 10:44 PM

Add one more witness to the list. I was in Gold B5 when a golf cart pulled up to the tailgate party and, just upon seeing people carrying flyers were telling them they were not allowed to hand them out "because management said so". There was no traffic even in the discussion as we were standing around nothing but parked, empty cars.

Hammock Parties 11-18-2012 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wazu (Post 9132152)
Add one more witness to the list. I was in Gold B5 when a golf cart pulled up to the tailgate party and, just upon seeing people carrying flyers were telling them they were not allowed to hand them out "because management said so". There was no traffic even in the discussion as we were standing around nothing but parked, empty cars.

LMAO

Pioli's SS are lying pricks.

Fully exposed.

Scott's dick is going to fall off if he keeps stepping on it like this.

tk13 11-18-2012 10:50 PM

The obvious unmentioned part of all this is that they knew the fliers were going to be handed out. Either Pioli or one of his minions is reading everything on here. Right? How else would they have known? Was this flier thing mentioned elsewhere?

aturnis 11-18-2012 10:50 PM

I liked this part...

Quote:

"I just thought that Cincinnati traveled well. Because the other week, when we played Oakland, there were a lot of people wearing black, and they were cheering for Oakland … all the black, I just put that with Cincinnati. Why? Was it something different?"
It tells me that the amount of black was definitely noticeable.

J Diddy 11-18-2012 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh Janus (Post 9132140)
Fat Scott's henchmen trying to claim that the only reason SOC representatives were stopped from handing out flyers was because they were "impeding game day traffic"... which is exposed as a lie when the police officers stopping the flyers from being handed out reveal that they were told before the game to prevent fans from handing out flyers in the parking lot (even though there is no rule against this in the stadium policies listed on the team's website).

The Chiefs are caught in a lie... with significant legal ramifications.

What are these legal implications?

Simply Red 11-18-2012 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9132129)
LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO

Does this mean 'Hamas' Skywalker is about to lose a lightsaber duel with Darth Cassel?

February 29th, he will come.

the Talking Can 11-18-2012 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 9132164)
The obvious unmentioned part of all this is that they knew the fliers were going to be handed out. Either Pioli or one of his minions is reading everything on here. Right? How else would they have known? Was this flier thing mentioned elsewhere?

pioli has all media monitored, according to babb and mellinger....they read this board for sure

Simply Red 11-18-2012 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 9132178)
pioli has all media monitored, according to babb and mellinger....they read this board for sure

Hey Pioli - your mama wears combat boots!

Brock 11-18-2012 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 9132164)
The obvious unmentioned part of all this is that they knew the fliers were going to be handed out. Either Pioli or one of his minions is reading everything on here. Right? How else would they have known? Was this flier thing mentioned elsewhere?

Most certainly. they care more about what people are saying about them than they do their own performance.

Phobia 11-18-2012 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wazu (Post 9132152)
Add one more witness to the list. I was in Gold B5 when a golf cart pulled up to the tailgate party and, just upon seeing people carrying flyers were telling them they were not allowed to hand them out "because management said so". There was no traffic even in the discussion as we were standing around nothing but parked, empty cars.

Yep. Those were the jokers who stopped me. I told them that we would continue handing out fliers and that there was nothing they could do to legally stop us from peacefully assembling. Then they spent a lot of time talking on their walkie-talkies.

FloridaMan88 11-18-2012 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 9132166)
What are these legal implications?

Unlawful seizure and unlawful detention.

What SOC was doing in the parking lot is not solicitation and even if it was there is no stated policy or rule within the Chiefs Stadium Policies preventing it.

Hammock Parties 11-18-2012 11:01 PM

This kind of worries me because I thought Fat Scott was stripped of all power.

Clark either doesn't care about Pioli's death throes or....welp....

pr_capone 11-18-2012 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 9132164)
The obvious unmentioned part of all this is that they knew the fliers were going to be handed out. Either Pioli or one of his minions is reading everything on here. Right? How else would they have known? Was this flier thing mentioned elsewhere?

I/we are essentially holding 3 conversations at once. I have this thread, Marty had twitter, and we both share Facebook. When I asked for flyer passing help here, Dave Lane was the only one that came on out. We needed more people passing out flyers so I recruited on FB.

So they could have been reading facebook.

Simply Red 11-18-2012 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pr_capone (Post 9132210)
I/we are essentially holding 3 conversations at once. I have this thread, Marty had twitter, and we both share Facebook. When I asked for flyer passing help here, Dave Lane was the only one that came on out. We needed more people passing out flyers so I recruited on FB.

So they could have been reading facebook.



http://i49.tinypic.com/1ewb2d.gif

the Talking Can 11-18-2012 11:07 PM

guarantee they will ratchet up the harassment for the next game...

L.A. Chieffan 11-18-2012 11:08 PM

Too bad Hamas isnt here to share this with us.

Valiant 11-18-2012 11:11 PM

You do realize by Chiefs Management saying publicly that they did not authorize anyone to suppress the fliers, you will be able to do it from here on out.. Just, get a video camera on you at all times, inform them that management said they did not authorize this, and if it gets pressed, submit the video to the media..

They put themselves in a corner by that statement..

BossChief 11-18-2012 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 9132167)
February 29th, he will come.

I thought he self banned himself for a year on January 8, 2012.

Simply Red 11-18-2012 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9132226)
I thought he self banned himself for a year on January 8, 2012.

i thought i looked at the date, it wasn't the 29th of Feb?

BossChief 11-18-2012 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valiant (Post 9132223)
You do realize by Chiefs Management saying publicly that they did not authorize anyone to suppress the fliers, you will be able to do it from here on out.. Just, get a video camera on you at all times, inform them that management said they did not authorize this, and if it gets pressed, submit the video to the media..

That would be illegal in a different way.

BossChief 11-18-2012 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 9132230)
i thought i looked at the date, it wasn't the 29th of Feb?

It was during the Bronco-Steeler playoff game on January 8.

Simply Red 11-18-2012 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L.A. Chieffan (Post 9132217)
Too bad Hamas isnt here to share this with us.

Nobody goes to Arrowhead anymore.

DaneMcCloud 11-18-2012 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9132231)
That would be illegal in a different way.

How is that illegal?

Simply Red 11-18-2012 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9132235)
It was during the Bronco-Steeler playoff game on January 8.

which post# ?

BossChief 11-18-2012 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9132237)
How is that illegal?

TMK you cant video tape or in any way record somebody else without prior consent.

DaneMcCloud 11-18-2012 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9132247)
TMK you cant video tape or in any way record somebody else without prior consent.

Untrue.

Ever watch TMZ?

BossChief 11-18-2012 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 9132240)
which post# ?

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=220

the Talking Can 11-18-2012 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9132247)
TMK you cant video tape or in any way record somebody else without prior consent.

nope...you can film police

it was recently ruled on
http://www.dailytech.com/First+Circu...ticle22587.htm

aclu has more:
http://www.aclu.org/blog/free-speech...deotape-police

jd1020 11-18-2012 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9132247)
TMK you cant video tape or in any way record somebody else without prior consent.

:spock:

We're talking about in public here.

BossChief 11-18-2012 11:29 PM

I guess it depends on the state, but after looking into it a little closer, if it happens in a public area with crowds, its pretty much "game on".

Simply Red 11-18-2012 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9132257)

wow ok, i really whiffed, somehow. ty

banyon 11-19-2012 12:24 AM

Pioli must surround himself with lawyers or something. Look at how carefully they parsed that response. We didn't "specifically" instruct anyone to suppress fliers.

So, they did "generally" instruct people to keep out the negative stuff?

Phobia 11-19-2012 01:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by banyon (Post 9132374)
Pioli must surround himself with lawyers or something. Look at how carefully they parsed that response. We didn't "specifically" instruct anyone to suppress fliers.

So, they did "generally" instruct people to keep out the negative stuff?

They've never had any problem with blatantly lying to the press in the past so why would they all the sudden begin playing wordsmith with their statements?

|Zach| 11-19-2012 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9132247)
TMK you cant video tape or in any way record somebody else without prior consent.

This is true if they have a "reasonable expectation of privacy" which nobody out in public at a game has.


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