I covered this 4.5 years ago.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=198633

I consider myself a perfectly realistic Cardinals fan. I'd be viewed as a Chiefs naysayer, but when they exhibit the ineptitude consistent with one of the worst franchises in professional sports, what benefit of the doubt have they earned?

I guess my point of this thread is that the type of people you describe in that thread largely don't exist on ChiefsPlanet.

Not a student of Nixon, I see.

I see myself as balanced. I just have a particular opinion on the best way to do things, and all-to-often the franchise goes in a completely different direction. When I like something they do, I'm not shy about saying that. It just doesn't happen as often as I'd like.

True fans to me are people who would have been big fans of Martyocre in the 90's, think "King Carl" shit gold, and who for some reason today still believe in that decade's philosophy at Arrowhead, which is basically outmoded in today's NFL. (And, hell, it was outmoded back then.) We're in a league where speed kills and where the rules are so ridiculously slanted towards the passing game that it's become far more beneficial to be great on offense and then as competitive as possible on defense, rather than vice versa. Zero-point-three yards and a cloud of dust ain't where it's at, folks, not anymore. Lines are always important, but skill position players win games and the quarterback in particular is the most important single position in all of sports. You don't want to "play not to lose". You don't want a QB who you hope can be "good enough". Strive for greatness there. Don't limit yourselves to Damon Huards and Matt Cassels and Alex Smiths. And for god's sake, we aren't looking to relive the "glory years" of the 90s. We want something more. So put away the zubaz, cut off that mullet and join us in the 21st century.

So I guess I what I'm saying is that, to me, true fans are people that are stuck in the past. It's not so much about what they're saying, but why they're saying it. I'll even throw in the word 'brainwashed' there from time to time, because they seem so satisfied with a philosophy that produced pretty steady failure for the better part of 20 years. It's like stockholm syndrome.

Holy shit. You just nailed a lot of the board with that one.

I'm a 4. Not because I want to be but I've been a Chiefs/Royals fan my whole life and they've never done anything so it's hard to imagine that dynamic truly changing. I was alive when the Royals won but I wasn't old enough to get anything from it.

All I've known is the pure hellish torture of perpetual losing with no hope.

I put myself down as a naysayer, but depending on the day and how good a mood I'm in, I'm anywhere from 3-5.

Do you believe that guards and right tackles should be taken with top five picks?

Do you believe that a quarterback is best served as a game manager?
LMAO uh oh Dorseys a true fan

Nailed it. LMAO

Not sure how I feel about this statement... there are a lot of fans who talk about simply making the playoffs at 9-7 or 10-6 like it's some significant accomplishment, those who don't seem to understand that the upside to finding the next great QB is worth possibly drafting a couple of turds, and those who talk about needing to protect the QB like it's a one way street and a QB can't possibly be successful without a great line (as opposed to a QB making his O-Line look better than they really are).

However, like you said in the OP, it's become cliché, and not everyone who's giving Alex Smith a chance necessarily agrees with every retread move they've ever made and not everyone who falls into group 2 or even 3 is a true fan, by definition.

I was tempted to declare myself balanced, but I think I'm probably an optimist.

I AM an optimist. I don't blame Reid and Dorsey for the failings of Jack Steadman, Jim Schaaf, Carl Peterson, Scott *****, Frank Gansz, Herm, Gunther, Romeo, or Todd Haley. With each new regime comes new hope, and each new regime deserves the benefit of the doubt until they prove otherwise. When a single game has not been played yet, it's WAY too early for anyone to pass judgment.

Horseshit.

Some of you guys are missing the entire point of the OP.

Which I suppose is to be expected.

I used to be a relentless #1 homer and true fan. That all came to an end one night in Arrowhead in the Denver playoff game. The one that Rich Gannon watched from the sidelines, prior to moving to Oakland and becoming the league MVP. Since then I've bounced between 3 and 4, and was tilting into "5" this past season. Now firmly at 4. Reid/Dorsey don't seem all that savvy to me so far.

I think I vacillate across the spectrum depending on the topic at hand.

Jamal Charles? **** you, Adrian Peterson! Charles is going for 4000 yards this year!
Alex Smith? **** you, Dorsey/Reid! Alex Smith is Casshole's asshole!
Eric Fisher? **** you, Eric Fisher, your mullet is unimpressive! ... nice combine though

hmmm, actually, is there a mostly angry hateful bastard option? **** you, OP! My crapulence is underrepresented!

[QUOTE=Marcellus the True;9654868]I would honestly call myself a 2.5.

I want to be optimistic but I get as pissed as anyone when things are going bad.

I am trying to stay balanced but the more I get slammed by the 4's and 5's it makes me want to push back making me look like a 1.[/QUOTE

I suspect most "true fans" of the chiefs feel similar. Most 4s and 5s aren't fans by the definition of what a fan is.