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TimeForWasp 02-11-2013 10:56 PM

Steven Jackson anyone?
 
How much would he cost as a replacement for Hillis? I like the idea.

O.city 02-11-2013 10:57 PM

RB's are a dime a dozen, he's old as shit, and been ran in the ground.


No thanks.

Direckshun 02-11-2013 10:57 PM

Hi. :)

PaulAllen 02-11-2013 10:58 PM

Only if he was dirt cheap. He might have a little left in the tank

mcaj22 02-11-2013 10:58 PM

theres going to be a thread every time some old turd vet with a name shakes loose isnt there

its amazing how some of these guys survive on their name to the general NFL fan base even though the player is beyond its years

O.city 02-11-2013 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9395757)
theres going to be a thread every time some old turd vet with a name shakes loose isnt there

its amazing how some of these guys survive on their name to the general NFL fan base even though the player is beyond its years

This.



There are a shit ton of legit free agents every year, that no one knows about because they don't have a big name.

TimeForWasp 02-11-2013 11:00 PM

Well we need a powerback Hillis isn't it.

Pablo 02-11-2013 11:01 PM

**** no. He's like 107 years old.

AussieChiefsFan 02-11-2013 11:01 PM

If he's cheap and knows he isn't going to be the starter, then why not.

KCrockaholic 02-11-2013 11:02 PM

No....

If we need a guy we can use a 3rd or 4th on him and find a decent RB that way.

I really like Stefan Taylor. Maybe take a shot on Le'Veon Bell, and of course, Lattimore. This RB class will have a couple gems just like this WR class will. You can get a solid back up in the 3rd or 4th this year.

KCrockaholic 02-11-2013 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsNow (Post 9395763)
Well we need a powerback Hillis isn't it.

Le'Veon Bell for you.

O.city 02-11-2013 11:03 PM

We don't need a "power" back. It's not 1990. Especially in Reids offense, it makes no sense.

Just get speed and vision.

Bewbies 02-11-2013 11:04 PM

He may have 10-20 yards left in him..

RyFo18 02-11-2013 11:05 PM

I don't want anyone taking carries away from Jamaal, especially an old vet that will make enough money that you have to hand him the ball.

AussieChiefsFan 02-11-2013 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RyFo18 (Post 9395781)
I don't want anyone taking carries away from Jamaal, especially an old vet that will make enough money that you have to hand him the ball.

Fair point. But also, we dont wanna get Jamaal hurt with too many carries.

Jewish Rabbi 02-11-2013 11:09 PM

HAI GIYZ BERT FARVE ISN'T ON A TEEM

O.city 02-11-2013 11:10 PM

Instead of looking for someone opposite style of Jamaal lets look for another Jamaal.

mcaj22 02-11-2013 11:10 PM

you guys do realize our coach is Andy Reid right

the same guy that got 564 yards out of a 7th round pick RB. Yes that RB had fumbling issues, but that's a 4.9 ypc average from a 7th rounder. Production from a 7th rounder that was just as good if not better than Steven Jackson.

that's what you should expect not picking off the scrap heap for the sake of some veteran having a name that was notable in the year 2004

TimeForWasp 02-11-2013 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 9395752)
Hi. :)

:clap:ROFL:hmmm::)

O.city 02-11-2013 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9395792)
you guys do realize our coach is Andy Reid right

the same guy that got 564 yards out of a 7th round pick RB. Yes that RB had fumbling issues, but that's a 4.9 ypc average from a 7th rounder. Production from a 7th rounder that was just as good if not better than Steven Jackson.

that's what you should expect not picking off the scrap heap for the sake of some veteran having a name that was notable in the year 2004

Shit, I'd rather ride Cyrus Gray or some UDFA than looking for a free agent RB.

Shogun 02-11-2013 11:13 PM

Loved what Draughn did for us during a stretch of last year

RyFo18 02-11-2013 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AussieChiefsFan (Post 9395783)
Fair point. But also, we dont wanna get Jamaal hurt with too many carries.

I agree, but don't bring in someone like Steven Jackson w/ the premise that they need 200 carries. Give Draughn and Gray some solid workloads, and draft another guy if they aren't fit to handle some touches in Reid's eyes.

mcaj22 02-11-2013 11:14 PM

Reid can literally draft a RB with any of our late round comp picks and it would be better than wasting money and a roster spot on Steven Jackson who has a name that commands he has to play/touch the ball and that is not what we want

KCrockaholic 02-11-2013 11:16 PM

I'm not a big fan of Gray or Draughn, but we need somebody that can spell Jamaal quite often. Of course in Reid's offense his #1 RB usually plays a ton of snaps. But I doubt Jamaal can handle playing on 90% of snaps, and be able to last the entire year. We do need somebody. But we don't go through free agency. Take a RB in the draft. It's easy to find productive RB's late in the draft. That's one position that has maximum value because you can get them cheap, and they can do a lot for you.

wazu 02-11-2013 11:19 PM

Nope, he's done.

Dunerdr 02-12-2013 02:02 AM

Still waiting on the brandon jacobs thread...

NJChiefsFan 02-12-2013 02:49 AM

You can often find great RB's that drop or slip through the cracks. For that reason I always like the idea of keeping the backup RB's young. This way you keep adding and eventually find a guy. You stick with a big name for backup and he is clogging the place up. Have 2 young guys back there behind Charles and you add some youth to your team and save some on the cap. Plus you allow for the chance that the guy turns into something, instead of hoping he has one good year left.

Unsmooth-Moment 02-12-2013 05:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9395797)
Shit, I'd rather ride Cyrus Gray or some UDFA than looking for a free agent RB.

This right here.

Micjones 02-12-2013 05:57 AM

Runningback might be the easiest position to find talent in the NFL.
We don't need Steven Jackson. Re-sign Hillis.

Chiefs=Champions 02-12-2013 06:01 AM

Na. Never really got the hype behind steven jackson. Even at his beast he was pretty average imo..

Pasta Little Brioni 02-12-2013 06:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9395757)
theres going to be a thread every time some old turd vet with a name shakes loose isnt there

its amazing how some of these guys survive on their name to the general NFL fan base even though the player is beyond its years

I want to gouge my eyes out already....and its February. Yes, there will be a thread about EVERY SINGLE ONE.

bevischief 02-12-2013 07:59 AM

JFC...

Reerun_KC 02-12-2013 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9395750)
RB's are a dime a dozen, he's old as shit, and been ran in the ground.


No thanks.

This is something Chiefs fans will always struggle with...

They will over pay for something that has a shelf life of 3-5 years if you are lucky...

You never over pay for a running back. This is the easiest postion on the field to replace...

Deberg_1990 02-12-2013 08:18 AM

Hes older than dirt, but i guess he would be ok in a backup role. He can still play, hes had 8 straight seasons of 1000 yards. Hes also a decent reciever. We could do worse and have......but im not gonna lose any sleep over whether we get him or not.

Molitoth 02-12-2013 08:20 AM

We need to be grooming someone to take over for Charles, not picking up guys who are older than Charles.

Frosty 02-12-2013 08:35 AM

Jackson has over 10,000 rushing yards and 3300 receiving yards in eight years on some truly shit Rams teams. He's only 29 so some of the "he sucks and is old as dirt" stuff is a little over the top.

That said, I would prefer that the Chiefs went with younger backs to back up Charles.

Titty Meat 02-12-2013 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 9396202)
Jackson has over 10,000 rushing yards and 3300 receiving yards in eight years on some truly shit Rams teams. He's only 29 so some of the "he sucks and is old as dirt" stuff is a little over the top.

That said, I would prefer that the Chiefs went with younger backs to back up Charles.

29 is old for RB's

Easy 6 02-12-2013 08:45 AM

What a waste of money he would be, its completely unnecessary to go get a back like him.

Theres a dirt cheap, young free agent out there somewhere who'd be perfect to add to our depth with Gray and Draughn.

A back is waaay down the priority list this year.

htismaqe 02-12-2013 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 9396202)
Jackson has over 10,000 rushing yards and 3300 receiving yards in eight years on some truly shit Rams teams. He's only 29 so some of the "he sucks and is old as dirt" stuff is a little over the top.

That said, I would prefer that the Chiefs went with younger backs to back up Charles.

He's taken a severe beating over the years. He could fall off the cliff at any moment.

suds79 02-12-2013 08:49 AM

Oh hell no.

Not only do I hate used up RBs, but used up power backs? Run! Run as fast as you can away from that idea.

RB is a young man's game. You get your RBs mid to late in the draft. Use them up as much as possible and when they approach 30? Cut them lose and do it over again with a new rookie.

Frosty 02-12-2013 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9396217)
He's taken a severe beating over the years. He could fall off the cliff at any moment.

He could or he might not.

I'm not saying I want the Chiefs to pick him up. His days as a #1 are probably over but some RB hungry team (Lions maybe?) will pick him up as a #2. I think he has a couple of decent years in him in that role.

Molitoth 02-12-2013 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 9396228)
He could or he might not.

I'm not saying I want the Chiefs to pick him up. His days as a #1 are probably over but some RB hungry team (Lions maybe?) will pick him up as a #2. I think he has a couple of decent years in him in that role.

Actually, I think he would be a good fit for the Lions.
Although I'd have to look more into his pass blocking skills, but I'd think with his size, he would be good in pass protection.

Frosty 02-12-2013 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 9396253)
Actually, I think he would be a good fit for the Lions.
Although I'd have to look more into his pass blocking skills, but I'd think with his size, he would be good in pass protection.

He's a good pass protector. Actually, with his blocking and receiving skills, he would make a good 3rd down back despite his size.

htismaqe 02-12-2013 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 9396228)
He could or he might not.

I'm not saying I want the Chiefs to pick him up. His days as a #1 are probably over but some RB hungry team (Lions maybe?) will pick him up as a #2. I think he has a couple of decent years in him in that role.

I could see him going to San Diego too.

The thing about SD and Detroit is that he'd ultimately end up being the #1 both places...

KC_Lee 02-12-2013 09:42 AM

I'm suprised that Fisher has not run him into the ground yet.

Frosty 02-12-2013 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9396339)
I could see him going to San Diego too.

The thing about SD and Detroit is that he'd ultimately end up being the #1 both places...

I would hate to see him in San Diego.

Deberg_1990 02-12-2013 09:44 AM

Ill say this, would you rather Jackson or Hillis backing up Charles? Jackson would be ok on a 1 or 2 year deal.

suds79 02-12-2013 09:47 AM

Jackson has played 9 seasons in the NFL and averaged 4.1 YPC last year. He turns 30 in July.

That average isn't going up folks.

Frosty 02-12-2013 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 9396347)
Ill say this, would you rather Jackson or Hillis backing up Charles? Jackson would be ok on a 1 or 2 year deal.

Jackson has been consistently good while Hillis was a flash in the pan so that's an easy one.

htismaqe 02-12-2013 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC_Lee (Post 9396343)
I'm suprised that Fisher has not run him into the ground yet.

He's only had him for 1 year.

htismaqe 02-12-2013 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 9396347)
Ill say this, would you rather Jackson or Hillis backing up Charles? Jackson would be ok on a 1 or 2 year deal.

Jackson isn't going to be a backup.

He'll go somewhere with the idea of having a "competition" and then he'll win the job.

Frosty 02-12-2013 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9396369)
He's only had him for 1 year.

That might be why SJ wanted to void the last year of his contract. He saw what happened to Eddie George and decided he wanted to be able to walk after he retired.

htismaqe 02-12-2013 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 9396373)
That might be why SJ wanted to void the last year of his contract. He saw what happened to Eddie George and decided he wanted to be able to walk after he retired.

More than likely. :D

King_Chief_Fan 02-12-2013 12:15 PM

Poor guy is used up.
Played his butt off for a few years

Bump 02-12-2013 12:20 PM

he's been a great RB in the NFL. Too bad he used up all his talent for a shit team. We have JC, just need a backup for him.

Pasta Little Brioni 02-12-2013 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9396371)
Jackson isn't going to be a backup.

He'll go somewhere with the idea of having a "competition" and then he'll win the job.

This

Rams Fan 02-12-2013 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 9395778)
He may have 10-20 yards left in him..

People have been saying that for 3 years or so now. Yawn.

Pasta Little Brioni 02-12-2013 06:43 PM

He's nothing special man.

Rams Fan 02-12-2013 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 9396373)
That might be why SJ wanted to void the last year of his contract. He saw what happened to Eddie George and decided he wanted to be able to walk after he retired.

Except the Rams organization did something right for once. In the extension SJ signed a few years back, if he met a certain milestone(can't remember what it was), he'd have the option of opting out.

He didn't meet the milestone. They renegotiated his contract to give him the option to explore his value if he wants to for his production as well as his impact in the community.

Rams Fan 02-12-2013 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PGM (Post 9397595)
He's nothing special man.

Barry Sanders, Thurman Thomas, Curtis Martin, Emmitt Smith, and LaDainian Tomlinson are the other RBs to have ran for 1,000 yards for 8 consecutive seasons.

Jackson also joined that group this season. All of those RBs are HoFers(LT will be in). So I guess SJ isn't special then?

Sorter 02-12-2013 06:47 PM

Wasted career IMO.

Pasta Little Brioni 02-12-2013 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 9397603)
Barry Sanders, Thurman Thomas, Curtis Martin, Emmitt Smith, and LaDainian Tomlinson are the other RBs to have ran for 1,000 yards for 8 consecutive seasons.

Jackson also joined that group this season. All of those RBs are HoFers(LT will be in). So I guess SJ isn't special then?

4 yards a pop doesn't impress me especially after watching a guy like Charles to boot. He may join the Tru Fan Hall of Bruisers or some shit.

Rams Fan 02-12-2013 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PGM (Post 9397620)
4 yards a pop doesn't impress me especially after watching a guy like Charles to boot. He may join the Tru Fan Hall of Bruisers or some shit.

:spock:

Charles has been on shit teams, too.

Jackson has been on shit teams pretty much his entire ****ing career. To say he'd be in "Tru Fan Hall of Bruisers" is asinine.

If he was on a team that made the playoffs multiple times in his career-WITH A ****ING DECENT O-LINE-you'd have more people talking about him.

Charles is a great RB, Jackson has just done it longer on a more shittier team.

CHENZ A! 02-12-2013 08:08 PM

I've heard that Jackson is a workout warrior type who stays in great shape. I know Thomas Jones had that same rep, but Jackson was a much better RB to begin with. I don't see him as a fit for us necessarily, because I think he'll WANT to be the main guy, but I think he could absolutely be productive in the right situation.

The Bad Guy 02-12-2013 08:10 PM

Why do they need a power back?

There's plenty of teams without a power running back. The Ravens don't have one, they won the Super Bowl. The Patriots don't have one. The Broncos didn't have one.

What's this fan base's obsession with power running backs?

ChiefAshhole20 02-12-2013 08:11 PM

He'll be on the Bengals

The Bad Guy 02-12-2013 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 9397635)
:spock:

Charles has been on shit teams, too.

Jackson has been on shit teams pretty much his entire ****ing career. To say he'd be in "Tru Fan Hall of Bruisers" is asinine.

If he was on a team that made the playoffs multiple times in his career-WITH A ****ING DECENT O-LINE-you'd have more people talking about him.

Charles is a great RB, Jackson has just done it longer on a more shittier team.

Jackson isn't even close to Charles.

He's had one insane year (2006) and a pretty good 2009, but that's about it. I don't count rushing for 1k as a great year.

Charles has 2 1,400 yard seasons under his belt and he only started a full year in one of them.

CHENZ A! 02-12-2013 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 9397993)
Why do they need a power back?

There's plenty of teams without a power running back. The Ravens don't have one, they won the Super Bowl. The Patriots don't have one. The Broncos didn't have one.

What's this fan base's obsession with power running backs?

I agree, I don't give a shit if a guy is big or not. You don't have to be huge to be a good short yardage runner.

I think probably a lot of people became fans during the Okoye/Word era and want to recapture it. haha

Demonpenz 02-12-2013 10:24 PM

With Alex Smith coming in next year we are going to go good running game play action and bend but don't break defense.

Rausch 02-12-2013 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 9397993)
Why do they need a power back?

There's plenty of teams without a power running back. The Ravens don't have one, they won the Super Bowl. The Patriots don't have one. The Broncos didn't have one.

What's this fan base's obsession with power running backs?

I like them...

WhiteWhale 02-13-2013 01:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 9397603)
Barry Sanders, Thurman Thomas, Curtis Martin, Emmitt Smith, and LaDainian Tomlinson are the other RBs to have ran for 1,000 yards for 8 consecutive seasons.

Jackson also joined that group this season. All of those RBs are HoFers(LT will be in). So I guess SJ isn't special then?

Jackson, like Curtis Martin, was never really a top 3 RB at any point in his career.

Sanders, Thomas, Smith, and Tomlinson were.

I applaud RB's who are durable. That in and of itself doesn't make them great. He's had a great career, but he was never a spectacular RB. JMO. I'd rather have a spectacular flash in the pan for 4-5 years than a guy who was consistent but not spectacular for 10 years even if he is less likely to make the HOF.

Hammock Parties 02-13-2013 02:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9398558)
I like them...

You're closeted.

listopencil 02-13-2013 02:15 AM

He made some fun RPG's, but I haven't seen anything out of him lately that looks like it would be a dominant MMORPG.

Rugby Thompson 02-13-2013 02:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9397612)
Wasted career IMO.

this.

should have left a long time ago, could tell he always wanted to play for NE too.

htismaqe 02-13-2013 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CHENZ A! (Post 9398045)
I think probably a lot of people became fans during the Okoye/Word era and want to recapture it. haha

This.

Pasta Little Brioni 02-13-2013 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 9397635)
:spock:

Charles has been on shit teams, too.

Jackson has been on shit teams pretty much his entire ****ing career. To say he'd be in "Tru Fan Hall of Bruisers" is asinine.

If he was on a team that made the playoffs multiple times in his career-WITH A ****ING DECENT O-LINE-you'd have more people talking about him.

Charles is a great RB, Jackson has just done it longer on a more shittier team.

4 yards a pop. He's nothing special. Hey, he's durable that's great.

bevischief 02-13-2013 08:56 AM

Why is this still on the first page?


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