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Quesadilla Joe 11-12-2012 11:51 AM

PFW: Flowers told teammates he would give all the money back if he could just leave
 
http://www.profootballweekly.com/201...kansas-citys-l

A day before the country voted on Election Day, the Chiefs gave their concession speech for the season following a 1-7 start.

It came off as a conciliatory measure when, three days after an embarrassing 31-13 prime-time loss to the Chargers — their third consecutive double-digit setback — Chiefs head coach Romeo Crennel removed himself as defensive coordinator, promoting Gary Gibbs to that post, and the team cut starting CB Stanford Routt.

A day later, Crennel announced that QB Matt Cassel (who previously had been benched for Brady Quinn) would start again in Week 10 because Quinn was suffering the aftereffects following a Week Eight concussion against the Raiders.

Assuming that the embattled duo of Crennel and GM Scott Pioli are not employing Socratic irony in running their NFL franchise, we only can assume that the first two moves are their contrition for a lost season. The third, their hopeless QB situation, is a symbol of their severe limitations.

“Their QB situation is bad and they really have not upgraded it at all,” a former Chiefs evaluator said. “Not to mention, the playmakers on the roster — Jamaal Charles, Dwayne Bowe, Derrick Johnson, Brandon Flowers, Tamba Hali — they were already there. (Pioli has) added nothing like that. The left tackle (Branden Albert) they complained about — guess what — he is still playing. He was already there.

“(Pioli) gives $60 million to a backup quarterback, then swap him out for Brady Quinn who now has a concussion. They have done nothing to that roster but (screw) it up.”

The Chiefs are bad — not necessarily historically so, but to a shocking degree:

In more than 485 minutes of football this season, including the lone sudden-death victory in New Orleans, the Chiefs have not had a second tick off the clock with a lead on the scoreboard. You have to go back to the pre-World War II days of professional football to find that kind of inefficiency.
The Chiefs committed 29 turnovers through eight games, the most in the NFL at the midpoint of a season in 15 years. They had 28 for the entire 2011 season.
The combined TD-INT ratio of Cassel and Quinn is 6-14. The only team that has so few TD passes is the Dolphins. No team has more interceptions.
Their point differential in 2012 is minus-107. At home, where they have an 0-4 record, it’s minus-46.

When the Chiefs next return to Kansas City in Week 11, an unpleasant sight might be awaiting them. Two banners flew over Arrowhead Stadium the last time they played there, a hard-fought 26-16 loss to the Raiders. One read “Return Hope, Fire Pioli” and the second read, “Blackout Arrowhead 11/18,” the date when the Chiefs face the Bengals. The “blackout” portion encourages fans to wear all black (instead of their traditional game-day red) as a sign of protest for the direction of the team.

The banners were sponsored by a fan-based group, SaveOurChiefs.com, that is frustrated with the miserable start to the season that began with reasonably high expectations but has endured — and for most intents and purposes, ended — with massive disappointment and the futures of Crennel and Pioli very much up in the air.

“It’s as bad as it’s been here,” said Kansas City Star columnist Sam Mellinger, who has been a frequent, caustic critic of the team this season. “The fans are tired. They are tired of not having a quarterback. (The Chiefs) were a chic Super Bowl pick for some people, and this happens. Fans are angry right now, and you can understand why.”

Naturally, Chiefs coaches and players are frustrated, too. A source told PFW that CB Brandon Flowers, who signed a six-year, $49.3 million deal last September, has been telling teammates in the locker room that he would give back all his new money just so he could leave the team.

“I haven’t heard him saying that,” Chiefs LB Derrick Johnson told PFW. “Brandon Flowers isn’t a problem guy — let’s just get that out there.

“His locker is right by mine. He’s one of our better players on defense. I didn’t know he said that. He does his talking on Sundays on the field. That’s all we ask of him.”

Even with talented players on the roster such as Flowers, the Chiefs have not been able to win. Earlier in the season, after Cassel was injured in the 9-6 loss to the Ravens and replaced by Quinn, ORT Eric Winston launched into a postgame tirade, railing against what he said were fans cheering Cassel’s injury, when neutral observers struggled to hear what Winston said he heard. The rant didn’t do wonders for the relationship with the rabid fan base, some of which is calling for heads to roll, namely those of Crennel and Pioli.

“(Pioli) let a Hall of Famer and great locker-room and great community guy in Tony (Gonzalez) get out of there,” the former Chiefs evaluator said. “(OG Brian) Waters was a great leader and locker-room guy and community guy and went to New England and played at a Pro Bowl level. There are a lot of mistakes there.”

There’s also the issue of Pioli’s contract, the details of which remain closely guarded. It was reported by other news agencies in October that Pioli had been offered a two-year extension during the offseason, but a well-placed league source told PFW that he might quietly have signed such an extension this summer. Like his mentor, Bill Belichick, the Chiefs’ GM does not speak about his contract status. It’s not known what a potential buyout might cost the team, but it certainly would not come cheaply. Either way, fans remain perhaps even more frustrated with Pioli than anyone else in the organization, and it will be tough for him to retain his job without significant second-half improvement.

“I bet (Chiefs owner) Clark (Hunt) is praying that they finish with three more wins some way, somehow,” a top NFL executive said. “If they go 1-15, he can’t justify (keeping Pioli). But get to 5-11 or 6-10 — they will go get a QB and hope they’ll be fine, try to sell that Kool-Aid.

“That is not the answer either. They need a QB and need a lot of other things on defense, too. I love it when it is third down and (2012 first-round pick Dontari) Poe and Tyson Jackson are sitting on the sideline — how many top-10 picks are sitting on the sideline next to the coach on third down?”

Following the loss to the Raiders, Crennel said, “I understand their frustrations because I’m frustrated myself. What we’re doing — coaches, players — we’re continuing to work to try and get it right. And if they’ll just hang with us, hopefully something will change.”

That was followed by the 18-point loss to the Chargers last Thursday. Monday night they face the Steelers, winners of three consecutive games, in Pittsburgh.

“They have big-play potential every play, and we know what they are capable of,” Johnson said. “We’ve seen it, plenty of it, before.”

Awaiting them is former Chiefs head coach Todd Haley, the Steelers’ offensive coordinator who, according to various reports last week, isn’t afraid to run up the score against the team — and, more specifically, the man, Pioli, with whom he repeatedly butted heads for two years — that fired him prior to Week 15 last season. Fox’s Jay Glazer reported on Sunday that the Chiefs had not yet paid the remainder of Haley’s contract that he was owed.

Following Haley’s ouster last season, Crennel was promoted from defensive coordinator to interim coach, engineering a colossal upset of the 13-0 Packers in a defensive masterpiece. It’s believed that the victory, along with Crennel’s good working relationship with Pioli and the players was what earned him the full-time job in the offseason.

But things have gone south since. After Flowers’ deal, plus long-term contracts for Tamba Hali and Johnson the past two seasons, Pioli deemed re-signing CB Brandon Carr too expensive. Instead, the team let him walk to the Cowboys at an average-per-year salary of $10 million, signed Routt as a Band-Aid (three years, $19.6 million, $4 million guaranteed) and used the franchise tag on WR Dwayne Bowe.

No long-term deal has been signed with Bowe, who is playing on the one-year tender of $9.5 million but is expected to walk in free agency this coming offseason. Joining him could be free-agents-to-be OLT Branden Albert and DE Glenn Dorsey. There has been talk about a long-term deal with Albert, and the team could opt to use the franchise tag on him, but it’s not known if any real progress has been made toward an extension. At the start of the season, per NFLPA figures, the Chiefs were $14.5 million below the salary cap.

Of course, the more pressing issue is whether Pioli will be the one making that decision. Some league sources believe that his strong relationship with Hunt — and how much money Pioli has saved the owner by not spending up to the cap every season — could spare the GM for another season, but others believe that ship has sailed and there’s little he or Crennel can do in the final eight games to save themselves.

The moves of cutting Routt, who was signed since Carr left, and promoting Gibbs (which Crennel said would help him spend more time with the struggling offense) appear on the surface to be last-ditch efforts to do so. But many around the league believe that Pioli has not done enough to warrant a return. If Hunt lets Pioli go, it’s unlikely a new general manager would retain Crennel, as he likely would want to hire his own head coach.

The approval ratings and morale around the team are as low as they’ve been since Pioli’s arrival in 2009. Although the Chiefs are strong candidates to earn the first pick in next year’s draft, there doesn't appear to be a college quarterback in the caliber of Andrew Luck or Robert Griffin III to provide relief — or hope.

“Scott has never been a guy who hits the road hard,” an NFL GM said. “I heard he was out scouting the QB at USC (Matt Barkley). To me, that is a sign Scott is running away from his problems. If anything, he needs to be in-house protecting his head coach. Now is not the time to be running out.”

Hunt has heard the fans and seen the midseason results. It’s going to be a tough sell to keep the current administration in place for another season.

“We have to play hard, play for pride,” Johnson said. “It’s not easy. No one is feeling sorry for us. We just have to make the best of this and win as many games as we can.”

LiL stumppy 11-12-2012 11:55 AM

We will draft Barkley. I feel for all our studs who were here before Pioli.

mcaj22 11-12-2012 11:58 AM

lol ive been using the term "kool aid" for the last 3 months to describe this FO, awesome that it is finally used in an article.

This fools gold FO is very cult-like when trying to sell the fanbase on shit. Like a bad used car salesman. They make you drink the juice and hope you are dumb enough to believe it. And that's just an awful approach, because the fans clearly are not stupid, gullible for four years, but not stupid.

memyselfI 11-12-2012 11:59 AM

Implosion city.

saphojunkie 11-12-2012 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9108963)
lol ive been using the term "kool aid" for the last 3 months to describe this FO, awesome that it is finally used in an article.

This fools gold FO is very cult-like when trying to sell the fanbase on shit. Like a bad used car salesman. They make you drink the juice and hope you are dumb enough to believe it. And that's just an awful approach, because the fans clearly are not stupid, gullible for four years, but not stupid.

I've been using LOL the past three months for things I was laughing about on the internet.

Mr. Laz 11-12-2012 12:02 PM

Doesn't Derrick Johnson basically say the title is bullshit?

Reerun_KC 11-12-2012 12:03 PM

http://www.motodisiac.com/blog/wp-co...60_886063c.jpg

DaKCMan AP 11-12-2012 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9108963)
lol ive been using the term "kool aid" for the last 3 months to describe this FO, awesome that it is finally used in an article.

This fools gold FO is very cult-like when trying to sell the fanbase on shit. Like a bad used car salesman. They make you drink the juice and hope you are dumb enough to believe it. And that's just an awful approach, because the fans clearly are not stupid, gullible for four years, but not stupid.

http://eduncovered.com/wp-content/up...-story-bro.jpg

ChiefsandO'sfan 11-12-2012 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by memyselfI (Post 9108968)
Implosion city.

This

BlackHelicopters 11-12-2012 12:06 PM

Wow. It can get worse.

RealSNR 11-12-2012 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by memyselfI (Post 9108968)
Implosion city.

Almost as big of a meltdown as SKC's playoff loss.

siberian khatru 11-12-2012 12:08 PM

This is so depressing, I'm going to kill myself.

bevischief 11-12-2012 12:09 PM

About time the national media get's in on this.

vailpass 11-12-2012 12:12 PM

Better thread title would have been "SOC Leader PR Capone Having Banner Year"

Reerun_KC 11-12-2012 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9108963)
lol ive been using the term "kool aid" for the last 3 months to describe this FO, awesome that it is finally used in an article.

This fools gold FO is very cult-like when trying to sell the fanbase on shit. Like a bad used car salesman. They make you drink the juice and hope you are dumb enough to believe it. And that's just an awful approach, because the fans clearly are not stupid, gullible for four years, but not stupid.

Most of the Fans eat this shit up...

Hell "saveourfans" have 227 retards supporting everything the Chiefs do regardless...

FAX 11-12-2012 12:17 PM

I'm trying to think of a way that this situation could be worse ... it's kinda difficult ...

Maybe if Dr. Evil won the franchise from Clark in a poker game ...

FAX

gblowfish 11-12-2012 12:20 PM

I'll bet Pioli survives the year. They'll throw Cassel and Romeo under the bus, blame injuries, yap yap yap, we're close yap yap yap....

Then they'll trade down, draft a cornerback to replace Routt (should have kept Carr but that boat has sailed) and take a developmental QB in the 3rd or 4th round, and pick up some over the hill POS to start at QB.

Pioli was $14 mill under the cap this year. That's money CHunt can spend on his soccer team, so brownie points for Scott.

teedubya 11-12-2012 12:20 PM

Pioli and Hunt need to get a ****ing clue.

LoneWolf 11-12-2012 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 9108971)
Doesn't Derrick Johnson basically say the title is bullshit?

My thoughts exactly. Knowmo is a dipshit.

ChiefsandO'sfan 11-12-2012 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 9108971)
Doesn't Derrick Johnson basically say the title is bullshit?

What do you want DJ to say? Yeah he said it

Pasta Giant Meatball 11-12-2012 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 9109019)
My thoughts exactly. Knowmo is a dipshit.

Obvious troll attempt is obvious

Fat Elvis 11-12-2012 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 9109007)
I'm trying to think of a way that this situation could be worse ... it's kinda difficult ...

Maybe if Dr. Evil won the franchise from Clark in a poker game ...

FAX

Negative. That would be awesome. We could have sharks with frickin' laser beams on their heads as our QBs...

Woodchuck 11-12-2012 12:39 PM

**** Flowers. He quit in that Buffalo game and that was week 2. Our leadership sucks ass. I didn't even have to read that shit to see it. Honestly, DJ is even worse imo.

Buckweath 11-12-2012 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants (Post 9109082)
**** Flowers. He quit in that Buffalo game and that was week 2. Our leadership sucks ass. Honestly, I didn't even have to read that shit to see it. Honestly, DJ is even worse imo.

Lol, you serious? Flowers has been a bright spot this year, of all the Chiefs problems, I'm really not sure you should criticize him.

Reaper16 11-12-2012 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9108982)
Almost as big of a meltdown as SKC's playoff loss.

**** off.

QuikSsurfer 11-12-2012 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants (Post 9109082)
**** Flowers. He quit in that Buffalo game and that was week 2. Our leadership sucks ass. I didn't even have to read that shit to see it. Honestly, DJ is even worse imo.

http://i.minus.com/ibgJlv6fySIKYj.gif

Quesadilla Joe 11-12-2012 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PGM (Post 9109054)
Obvious troll attempt is obvious

You guys can't be trolled. There is nothing I could say about the Chiefs that would be worse than what actual Chiefs fans are saying about their team.

The only way I could possibly troll this place would be to start saying positive things about the Chiefs. I don't troll. I don't even post in 99% of the Chiefs related threads here, but if I come across something on twitter that I think you guys would want to read, I post it.

Detoxing 11-12-2012 12:47 PM

This is what worries me about tanking the season.

When the good players on the roster don't wanna be here anymore, it's very troubling. I'm not in the mood for another 4 year rebuild.

Woodchuck 11-12-2012 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buckweath (Post 9109092)
Lol, you serious? Flowers has been a bright spot this year, of all the Chiefs problems, I'm really not sure you should criticize him.

No matter what I say, you and alot of others are not going to get it. You won't see it and you don't want to.

Woodchuck 11-12-2012 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 9109110)
This is what worries me about tanking the season.

When the good players on the roster don't wanna be here anymore, it's very troubling. I'm not in the mood for another 4 year rebuild.

The sooner you realize it, the better off you will be. We have no leadership. We are going to be rebuilding.

T-post Tom 11-12-2012 12:50 PM

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R8RFAN 11-12-2012 12:51 PM

I love this shit because even at our worst, The Raiders have NEVER been this dysfunctional or pitted fan against fan.... Keep it up.. the funny thing is gonna be when you win 3 games this year and take a corner in the draft.

Woodchuck 11-12-2012 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R8ers (Post 9109125)
I love this shit because even at our worst, The Raiders have NEVER been this dysfunctional or pitted fan against fan.... Keep it up.. the funny thing is gonna be when you win 3 games this year and take a corner in the draft.

Yep, we will be taking a CB or LB with that first pick. People think I am trolling but, I don't think so. The rebuild is coming and the QB prospects aren't good. To think it is just Cassel, Romeo, and Pioli is the most homeristic thing I have ever seen in my 37 years of beoing a Chiefs fan.

This team sucks ass and is in the argument for the worst team of all time. Not the worst team this year. The worst team of all time!

R8RFAN 11-12-2012 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 9109110)
This is what worries me about tanking the season.

When the good players on the roster don't wanna be here anymore, it's very troubling. I'm not in the mood for another 4 year rebuild.

Who would want to play for fans that fly banners over the stadium and plan black out days and wish for their team to lose... I don't blame you flowers, we could use you in Oakland.

tk13 11-12-2012 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 9109110)
This is what worries me about tanking the season.

When the good players on the roster don't wanna be here anymore, it's very troubling. I'm not in the mood for another 4 year rebuild.

If Pioli gets whacked there will probably be turnover anyway. Whoever we hire from the Giants, Ravens, whoever will want to bring in his guys and will probably get rid of players here he doesn't want.
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Lprechaun 11-12-2012 12:55 PM

The players that supposedly say this need to just come out and say it. When players start "rebelling" against the regime it will only solidify what we already know. Players dont want to come here, at least players who could make an impact.

Woodchuck 11-12-2012 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 9109136)
If Pioli gets whacked there will probably be turnover anyway. Whoever we hire from the Giants, Ravens, whoever will want to bring in his guys and will probably get rid of players here he doesn't want.
Posted via Mobile Device

We are going to wind up with someone like Lake Dawson as GM imo. I'm not sure we can get the best prospect again. This is a bad organization. It is extremely tainted right now and it is going to be a very long time before we are worth a damn.

scho63 11-12-2012 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel>Manning (Post 9108945)
http://www.profootballweekly.com/201...kansas-citys-l

But things have gone south since. After Flowers deal, plus long-term contracts for Tamba Hali and Johnson the past two seasons, Pioli deemed re-signing CB Brandon Carr too expensive. Instead, the team let him walk to the Cowboys at an average-per-year salary of $10 million, signed Routt as a Band-Aid (three years, $19.6 million, $4 million guaranteed) and used the franchise tag on WR Dwayne Bowe.

That's one hell of an expensive and wasteful band-aid. 4 million bucks for 8 games of mostly suckage. Not too shabby for him. $500,000 a game is certainly not cheap

Woodchuck 11-12-2012 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 9109142)
That's one hell of an expensive and wasteful band-aid. 4 million bucks for 8 games of mostly suckage. Not too shabby for him. $500,000 a game is certainly not cheap

Bowe is coming out better.

$600,000 a game is what he's making and he's basically done nothing to help us this year imo.

BigMeatballDave 11-12-2012 01:01 PM

The thread creator can go ahead and eat a bag of dicks.

I'm sure he rubbed one out while posting this.

FAX 11-12-2012 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lprechaun (Post 9109137)
The players that supposedly say this need to just come out and say it. When players start "rebelling" against the regime it will only solidify what we already know. Players dont want to come here, at least players who could make an impact.

Ah, Flowers is okay. He was probably just in a bad mood because he'd had a messed up dream.

The unwritten rule (that's rarely broken) among NFL players is that you are loyal to your team and teammates ... at least, in public. I don't think Flowers is the kind of person who would want this information out ... if it's true or not.

If he does say something publicly, he'll deny it. Certainly, something like this isn't going to make Dr. Evil very happy and I'm sure that Flowers would like to keep his fingernails "in situ".

FAX

BigMeatballDave 11-12-2012 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants (Post 9109151)
Bowe is coming out better.

$600,000 a game is what he's making and he's basically done nothing to help us this year imo.

:spock:

Choke on an HIV infested cock.

Should he throw passes, too?

vailpass 11-12-2012 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 9109110)
This is what worries me about tanking the season.

When the good players on the roster don't wanna be here anymore, it's very troubling. I'm not in the mood for another 4 year rebuild.

See that little speck waaayyy off offshore on the horizon?
That is a ship that has already sailed.

BigMeatballDave 11-12-2012 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R8ers (Post 9109133)
Who would want to play for fans that fly banners over the stadium and plan black out days and wish for their team to lose... I don't blame you flowers, we could use you in Oakland.

Die in a truck fire.

KCFaninSEA 11-12-2012 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 9109110)
This is what worries me about tanking the season.

When the good players on the roster don't wanna be here anymore, it's very troubling. I'm not in the mood for another 4 year rebuild.

The Chiefs will need at least 4 years just to be contenders. Free agency could move that closer a bit but the history shows that this franchise doesn't attract top notch FA's so I can't count on that. So, the Chiefs need a QB, CB, inside LB, DLx2, WRx2, center and guard right now. In 4 years, another half of the roster will be gone in one way or another also. This could be another very long process. Sorry but I am just looking at this realistically.

Discuss Thrower 11-12-2012 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 9109110)
This is what worries me about tanking the season.

When the good players on the roster don't wanna be here anymore, it's very troubling. I'm not in the mood for another 4 year rebuild.

Pray that it's only 4 years. The damage Pioli has done might warrant a decade long fix.

Claysexual 11-12-2012 01:11 PM

"We better trade Flowers, he's a problem child and NOT Right 53 material!"/Pioli/True Fan Dumbass

Woodchuck 11-12-2012 01:11 PM

What's funny is that we people don't even have to root for them to tank the season. Does anyone really think they are tanking it on purpose? We have no talent.

Woodchuck 11-12-2012 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarthPioliSatan (Post 9109173)
"We better trade Flowers, he's a problem child and NOT Right 53 material!"/Pioli/True Fan Dumbass

No dude, you are the true fan dumbass for hanging on. This whole team sucks.

Discuss Thrower 11-12-2012 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarthPioliSatan (Post 9109173)
"We better trade Flowers, he's a problem child and NOT Right 53 material!"/Pioli/True Fan Dumbass

The team should trade Flowers out of mercy. He's played well and received only money from it.

Trade him to a contender.

Woodchuck 11-12-2012 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 9109182)
The team should trade Flowers out of mercy. He's played well and received only money from it.

Trade him to a contender.

**** that, how about we trade him for someone who understands it's their ****ing job to play football? Someone who appreciates gettting millions to play a game. Someone who agrees to lead this team through better or worse when they sign a big contract like that.

Claysexual 11-12-2012 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants (Post 9109180)
No dude, you are the true fan dumbass for hanging on. This whole team sucks.

Uh no, we will keep Flowers, he will honor his contract, and we will FIRE the dumbass who destroyed his receiver-killing spirit.

M'kay?/Thx/Bye!

BigMeatballDave 11-12-2012 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants (Post 9109175)
What's funny is that we people don't even have to root for them to tank the season. Does anyone really think they are tanking it on purpose? We have no talent.

Your mother and sister have talent.

Claysexual 11-12-2012 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave (Post 9109191)
Your mother and sister have talent.

LMAO

Marcellus 11-12-2012 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 9109182)
The team should trade Flowers out of mercy. He's played well and received only money from it.

Trade him to a contender.

Poor guy. I bet he sits around all depressed counting his cash and crying out "Woe is me! These millions of $ are all I have to show for all my hard work!" as he gazes at his empty trophy case with a tear silently running down his cheek.

milkman 11-12-2012 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants (Post 9109175)
What's funny is that we people don't even have to root for them to tank the season. Does anyone really think they are tanking it on purpose? We have no talent.

This team that has no talent shut down a Ravens offense that has scored 23 or more points in every other game this season.

That game is the only game that this defense attacked the opposition offense from the opening gun.

This team does need an infusion of additional talent, but the primary reason for suckage begins with coaching.

To suggest that this team has no talent is just a dumbass spouting dumbassery.

vailpass 11-12-2012 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave (Post 9109191)
Your mother and sister have talent.

That's how you do that.

Woodchuck 11-12-2012 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 9109202)
Poor guy. I bet he sits around all depressed counting his cash and crying out "Woe is me! These millions of $ are all I have to show for all my hard work!" as he gazes at his empty trophy case with a tear silently running down his cheek.

Yeah no shit. "When the going gets tough, the tough get quitting." That's the motto of the 2012 Chiefs.

However, you watch, they will win tonight and everyone will say, "see they have talent."

Fans have no memory.

Woodchuck 11-12-2012 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9109206)
This team that has no talent shut down a Ravens offense that has scored 23 or more points in every other game this season.

That game is the only game that this defense attacked the opposition offense from the opening gun.

This team does need an infusion of additional talent, but the primary reason for suckage begins with coaching.

To suggest that this team has no talent is just a dumbass spouting dumbassery.

I think we could win tonight. What I am saying is that our best talent isn't that good. These ****ers don't care man. If they cared, they would play like Denver played last year without a QB. Our best players would roll with it like Freeney and mathis. They would resign like Reggie Wayne. We have no leaders and we have the wrong guys.

milkman 11-12-2012 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants (Post 9109188)
**** that, how about we trade him for someone who understands it's their ****ing job to play football? Someone who appreciates gettting millions to play a game. Someone who agrees to lead this team through better or worse when they sign a big contract like that.

You really are a ****ing moron.

Leadership isn't something that you just take on.

Leadership is an inherent trait that is developed through years.

Brandon Flowers has never been a leader, and never will be.

It's not in his DNA.

Leaders are guys like Ray Lewis and James Harrison.

Guys that play with fire and emotion.

Guys that others gravtate to and follow natuarally.

The Jets should just release Darrelle Revis.

He got a big contract, but he's not a leader.

Can't justify that contract, even though he's the best at his position, because you don't give big contracts to guys that lack leadership.

Discuss Thrower 11-12-2012 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 9109202)
Poor guy. I bet he sits around all depressed counting his cash and crying out "Woe is me! These millions of $ are all I have to show for all my hard work!" as he gazes at his empty trophy case with a tear silently running down his cheek.

You don't become the top .01% of football players in the country just wanting money. Championship hardware is a big thing too.

mcaj22 11-12-2012 01:28 PM

why should they care when the coaching or FO doesnt care. Flowers is getting paid 50 million dollars i dont think he cares if the team goes 0-16. He goes out there goes through the motions and gets a paycheck and in the offseason flies back to sunny Florida to enjoy the weather and pretty girls. He could give a **** about Kansas City or a winning culture.

That's painfully obvious. Good player but guys like him are not Ray Lewis, Patrick Willis, Charles Woodson, etc

Hammock Parties 11-12-2012 01:29 PM

Rome is burning.

RealSNR 11-12-2012 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants (Post 9109225)
I think we could win tonight. What I am saying is that our best talent isn't that good. These ****ers don't care man. If they cared, they would play like Denver played last year without a QB. Our best players would roll with it like Freeney and mathis.

Freeney and Mathis are responsible for Indianapolis going 2-14! WHERE ARE THE LEADERS???

Marcellus 11-12-2012 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 9109234)
You don't become the top .01% of football players in the country just wanting money. Championship hardware is a big thing too.

My point is he will be fine. He can wait until we fire Pioli and build a contender. He has had his dumpster fire moments too the last few years.

milkman 11-12-2012 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants (Post 9109225)
I think we could win tonight. What I am saying is that our best talent isn't that good. These ****ers don't care man. If they cared, they would play like Denver played last year without a QB. Our best players would roll with it like Freeney and mathis. They would resign like Reggie Wayne. We have no leaders and we have the wrong guys.

The problem is that Pioli has avoided the guys that play with emotion.

He believes the best way to win is to find guys that play smart.

But the great defenses always have that one or two guys that play with their emotion on their sleeves, and when you have that, the rest of the team follows.

The Patriots, in their SB years, had those guys, with Willie McGinest and Teddy Breuski.

As soon as those guys started to move on, even though their defense still played smart, that defense declined, because they drafted smart players who don't bring any emotion.

Rain Man 11-12-2012 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9109231)
You really are a ****ing moron.

Leadership isn't something that you just take on.

Leadership is an inherent trait that is developed through years.

Brandon Flowers has never been a leader, and never will be.

It's not in his DNA.

Leaders are guys like Ray Lewis and James Harrison.

Guys that play with fire and emotion.

Guys that others gravtate to and follow natuarally.

The Jets should just release Darrelle Revis.

He got a big contract, but he's not a leader.

Can't justify that contract, even though he's the best at his position, because you don't give big contracts to guys that lack leadership.

And Ba rry Sanders. You also give big contracts to Ba rry Sanders.

(Who's autocorrecting Sanders' first name to a naughty word? And more importantly, why?)

Ebolapox 11-12-2012 01:33 PM

any way we could get blackrob on universal iggy?

BossChief 11-12-2012 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel>Manning (Post 9109105)
You guys can't be trolled. There is nothing I could say about the Chiefs that would be worse than what actual Chiefs fans are saying about their team.

The only way I could possibly troll this place would be to start saying positive things about the Chiefs. I don't troll. I don't even post in 99% of the Chiefs related threads here, but if I come across something on twitter that I think you guys would want to read, I post it.

I can call my brother an idiot, but if someone outside the family does...he better have a strong jaw.

milkman 11-12-2012 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 9109253)
And Ba rry Sanders. You also give big contracts to Ba rry Sanders.

(Who's autocorrecting Sanders' first name to a naughty word? And more importantly, why?)

I'm pretty sure the autocorrect has to do with the dumbass that started the save our fans website.

TEX 11-12-2012 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9109206)
This team that has no talent shut down a Ravens offense that has scored 23 or more points in every other game this season.

That game is the only game that this defense attacked the opposition offense from the opening gun.

This team does need an infusion of additional talent, but the primary reason for suckage begins with coaching.

To suggest that this team has no talent is just a dumbass spouting dumbassery.

No - it has talent - but not much and even less of it coaching...

Rain Man 11-12-2012 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9109249)
The problem is that Pioli has avoided the guys that play with emotion.

He believes the best way to win is to find guys that play smart.

But the great defenses always have that one or two guys that play with their emotion on their sleeves, and when you have that, the rest of the team follows.

The Patriots, in their SB years, had those guys, with Willie McGinest and Teddy Breuski.

As soon as those guys started to move on, even though their defense still played smart, that defense declined, because they drafted smart players who don't bring any emotion.


I honestly believe that football teams should be like they're portrayed in the movies. You need some smart guys, you need some fiery leader guys, you need some talented and naive rookies, and you need grizzled veterans on their last legs to teach them.

As a semi-related aside, Jimmy Johnson was just featured on that "Football Life" show. He was out on a fishing boat with Belichick, and he said, "Hit me in the head with a hammer if I ever draft a dumb guy", and Belichick said, "Yeah, you taught me that."

Johnson then went on to say that you can't reason with a dumb player. He would take a malcontent who was smart because you could reason with that guy, but you can't reason with a guy who's inherently dumb.

aturnis 11-12-2012 01:37 PM

If anyone sees Pioli in the NFL asking lot schmoozing before the game, do me a HUGE favor. Pour a beer over his head, and run like ****. No need to get charged with assault for me. Do not from behind, and MOVE. Thanks in advance.

whoman69 11-12-2012 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 9109013)
I'll bet Pioli survives the year. They'll throw Cassel and Romeo under the bus, blame injuries, yap yap yap, we're close yap yap yap....

Then they'll trade down, draft a cornerback to replace Routt (should have kept Carr but that boat has sailed) and take a developmental QB in the 3rd or 4th round, and pick up some over the hill POS to start at QB.

Pioli was $14 mill under the cap this year. That's money CHunt can spend on his soccer team, so brownie points for Scott.

I would be finished with them if they did that.

Fire Me Boy! 11-12-2012 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9109249)
The problem is that Pioli has avoided the guys that play with emotion.

He believes the best way to win is to find guys that play smart.

But the great defenses always have that one or two guys that play with their emotion on their sleeves, and when you have that, the rest of the team follows.

The Patriots, in their SB years, had those guys, with Willie McGinest and Teddy Breuski.

As soon as those guys started to move on, even though their defense still played smart, that defense declined, because they drafted smart players who don't bring any emotion.

We had Mike Vrabel for awhile.

milkman 11-12-2012 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 9109271)
I honestly believe that football teams should be like they're portrayed in the movies. You need some smart guys, you need some fiery leader guys, you need some talented and naive rookies, and you need grizzled veterans on their last legs to teach them.

As a semi-related aside, Jimmy Johnson was just featured on that "Football Life" show. He was out on a fishing boat with Belichick, and he said, "Hit me in the head with a hammer if I ever draft a dumb guy", and Belichick said, "Yeah, you taught me that."

Johnson then went on to say that you can't reason with a dumb player. He would take a malcontent who was smart because you could reason with that guy, but you can't reason with a guy who's inherently dumb.

The problem seems to me that neither Belichick or Pioli can see through the emotion to find the guy that plays both smart and with that emotion.

For all of his defensive genius stature, Belichick has fielded a sorry defense since the players that he inherited from the Pete Carrol years have moved on.

beach tribe 11-12-2012 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants (Post 9109225)
I think we could win tonight. What I am saying is that our best talent isn't that good. These ****ers don't care man. If they cared, they would play like Denver played last year without a QB. Our best players would roll with it like Freeney and mathis. They would resign like Reggie Wayne. We have no leaders and we have the wrong guys.

Wow. Just Wow!!

Hammock Parties 11-12-2012 01:46 PM

This is why we need Save Our Chiefs.

Premium talent like Bflo is just rotting away.

:(

Fire Me Boy! 11-12-2012 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 9109271)
I honestly believe that football teams should be like they're portrayed in the movies. You need some smart guys, you need some fiery leader guys, you need some talented and naive rookies, and you need grizzled veterans on their last legs to teach them.

As a semi-related aside, Jimmy Johnson was just featured on that "Football Life" show. He was out on a fishing boat with Belichick, and he said, "Hit me in the head with a hammer if I ever draft a dumb guy", and Belichick said, "Yeah, you taught me that."

Johnson then went on to say that you can't reason with a dumb player. He would take a malcontent who was smart because you could reason with that guy, but you can't reason with a guy who's inherently dumb.

So you're saying we need Dennis Quaid, Jamie Foxx, LL Cool J, Ryan Gosling, Mark Wahlberg, Sean Astin, Omar Epps, Keanu Reeves, Orlando Jones and Jon Favreau?

Add in a coaching staff of Al Pacino, Denzel Washington, Will Patton, James Caan and Gene Hackman and we'd be unstoppable.

Ace Gunner 11-12-2012 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants (Post 9109082)
**** Flowers. He quit in that Buffalo game and that was week 2. Our leadership sucks ass. I didn't even have to read that shit to see it. Honestly, DJ is even worse imo.

Flowers is playing through that ankle injury and imo he's still hobbled. He's unable to get off blocks during run plays the way he normally does.

He's got heart, that player. I know he pulled up during the Buf game, but i think he's just trying to do what he can this season.

This team needs a pass rusher. Really badly. You can help those guys up front when you have a Carr/Flowers tandem, but even then, you can't expect to stop the passing game in the new NFL without a pass rush.


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