This is exactly right. It's only amplified by the fact that KU had Jim Harbaugh, I mean he WAS the next coach, a move that would have put KU on another level as a program and Lew Perkins halted it. I'm not a sweet Lew fan.

I understand that you're bringing up random shit that nobody's talking about.

He's trying to bait me in to see if I know KU's bowl history....here's the record of their 12 bowl visits in their football history:

Football Season Bowl Location AP Rank Opponent Result
1947 Orange Bowl Miami, FL 13 Georgia Tech L 20-14
1961 Bluebonnet Bowl Houston, TX Rice W 33-7
1968 Orange Bowl Miami, FL 3 Penn State L 15-14
1973 Liberty Bowl Memphis, TN 19 NC State L 31-18
1975 Sun Bowl El Paso, TX 19 Pittsburgh L 33-19
1981 Hall of Fame Bowl Birmingham, AL Mississippi State L 10-0
1992 Aloha Bowl Honolulu, HI 22 BYU W 23-20
1995 Aloha Bowl Honolulu, HI 11 UCLA W 51-30
2003 Mazda Tangerine Bowl Orlando, FL NC State L 56-26
2005 Fort Worth Bowl Fort Worth, TX Houston W 42-13
2007 FedEx Orange Bowl Miami, FL 8 Virginia Tech W 24-21 BCS Bowl
2008 Insight Bowl Tempe, AZ Minnesota W 42-21

And here is MU's

The Tigers have a 13-16 Bowl Record. They have appeared in the Orange Bowl, Sugar Bowl, Fiesta Bowl, Cotton Bowl Classic, Gator Bowl, Sun Bowl, Capital One Bowl, Holiday Bowl, Liberty Bowl, Independence Bowl, Alamo Bowl, Insight Bowl, Texas Bowl, All-American Bowl and the Bluebonnet Bowl.

Season Bowl Opponent Result
1924 Los Angeles Christmas Festival 1924 USC Trojans L 7-20
1939 1940 Orange Bowl 1939 Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets L 7-21
1941 1942 Sugar Bowl 1942 Fordham Rams football team L 0-2
1945 1946 Cotton Bowl Classic 1945 Texas Longhorns football team L 27-40
1948 1949 Gator Bowl 1948 Clemson Tigers football team L 23-24
1949 1950 Gator Bowl 1949 Maryland Terrapins football team L 7-20
1959 1960 Orange Bowl 1959 Georgia Bulldogs football team L 0-14
1960 1961 Orange Bowl 1960 Navy Midshipmen football team W 21-14
1962 1962 Bluebonnet Bowl 1962 Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets W 14-10
1965 1966 Sugar Bowl 1965 Florida Gators football team W 20-18
1968 1968 Gator Bowl 1968 Alabama Crimson Tide football team W 35-10
1969 1970 Orange Bowl 1969 Penn State Nittany Lions football team L 3-10
1972 1972 Fiesta Bowl 1972 Arizona State Sun Devils football team L 35-49
1973 1973 Sun Bowl 1973 Auburn Tigers football team W 34-17
1978 1978 Liberty Bowl 1978 Louisiana State Tigers football team W 20-15
1979 1979 All-American Bowl 1979 South Carolina Gamecocks W 24-14
1980 1980 Liberty Bowl 1980 Purdue Boilermakers football team L 25-28
1981 1981 Tangerine Bowl 1981 Southern Miss. Golden Eagles W 19-17
1983 1983 Holiday Bowl 1983 BYU Cougars football team L 17-21
1997 1997 Holiday Bowl 1997 Colorado State Rams football team L 24-35
1998 1998 Insight.com Bowl 1998 West Virginia Mountaineers W 34-31
2003 2003 Independence Bowl 2003 Arkansas Razorbacks L 14-27
2005 2005 Independence Bowl 2005 South Carolina Gamecocks W 38-31
2006 2006 Sun Bowl 2006 Oregon State Beavers football team L 38-39
2007 2008 Cotton Bowl Classic 2007 Arkansas Razorbacks W 38-7
2008 2008 Alamo Bowl 2008 Northwestern Wildcats W 30-23 (OT)
2009 2009 Texas Bowl 2009 Navy Midshipmen football team L 13-35
2010 2010 Insight Bowl 2010 Iowa Hawkeyes football team L 24-27
2011 2011 Independence Bowl 2011 North Carolina Tar Heels W 41-24

Wow, and they have only ever been to bowls in consecutive years once. In a hundred plus years of football....no wonder Wickedson sucks off oranges so damn much.

KU has no tradition in football, at all. There's no arguing that.

Gale Sayers. That's about the extent of KU football tradition.

Wasn't Stubblefield a Jayhawk?

And John Riggins, but Sayers is the only iconic player in school history.

Yep. And John Hadl. And John Riggins. And Gilbert Brown.

And Big Gus from Leathernecks? That's Keith Loneker, played for KU and the Rams. (Also played Clarence Darlington in "Lakeview Terrace" with Samuel L. Jackson).

Nolan Cromwell did pretty well, too, I guess.

Define "tradition"? Do you mean fielding a team? Mizzou first fielded a football team in 1890... the same year KU did.

Please educate me as to what comprises a tradition in your eyes. Entertain me.

Riggo is part of my family tree.

Hooray for my claim to fame! :)

Cool. How so?

My grandpa's cousin.

Have only seen him a handful of times...the last being about 10 years ago at a funeral unfortunately.

He is a character, that's for sure.

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You also have Aqib Talib out there.

The snarky thing to do would be for me to fire back about somebody from UCF... yeah. Can't think if anybody that ever went there.

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Hey, don't get angry at me, I'm as big a KU fan as you'll find. I guess I mean if someone wanted to show that KU football doesn't have much of a "winning tradition", its hard to argue that. Just as when MU fans try to claim some sort of "winning tradition", they too are hard pressed to prove that. The only true winning program is KU basketball, but that's not what they were talking about.

I mentioned what I'm proud of with KU football. Gale Sayers is one of the best players in college football history.

OK, I've heard of them. Didn't know where they went to school.

That's cool. I'd say KU has a tradition, albeit, not stellar. Part of that tradition is about being overshadowed by the basketball program.

Other than the person I quoted, of course.

Not at all. I just found it ironic that you called someone out for not counting the bowl appearances of Mizzouri in the 50s and 60s, yet you disallowed those of KU.


I'm not a KU fan, I'm just trying to keep up with all of the rule changes in this thread.

And David Jaynes... o:-)

It's college football. There aren't really any rules.

This should revive this thread

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/S...g-12-ESPN.aspx

The Big 12 is on the verge of a blockbuster TV contract that will put its media revenue among the top tier of college conferences, despite losing several marquee programs in the last two years.

The Big 12 and ESPN are nearing an extension that will earn the conference — combined with its Fox TV contract — $2.5 billion over the next 13 years, according to industry sources. The ESPN extension would run through 2025 and sync up with Fox’s deal.

By network, the Big 12 stands to make $1.3 billion from ESPN and $1.2 billion from Fox over the life of the two deals. ESPN’s old contract with the Big 12 ran through 2016, but the two sides are close on a nine-year extension that will increase the conference’s average revenue from its current $150 million a year to nearly $200 million annually. Each Big 12 school will make roughly $5 million more a year in the new contract over the old deal.

“We have an existing agreement with the Big 12 that has four years remaining,” said Mike Soltys, ESPN vice president of communications. “We are in regular conversations with all our partners about future opportunities. There’s nothing beyond that.”

The Big 12’s potential revenue windfall comes on the heels of mass upheaval for the conference, which has lost Texas A&M and Missouri to the SEC, while adding Texas Christian from the Mountain West and West Virginia from the Big East to stay at 10 teams. Additionally, the new media revenue could effectively end any discussion of the Big 12 expanding back to 12 teams, not the news that the University of Louisville wanted to hear. The Cardinals had been positioned as a strong candidate to join the Big 12 if it expanded.

Under the new terms, each Big 12 school will average just under $20 million a year. Schools in the Pac-12, which also partnered with ESPN and Fox to generate its record $3 billion deal over 12 years, will average nearly $21 million per school.

It remains to be seen how the Big 12’s new contract will affect the ongoing negotiations between ESPN and two other league partners, the SEC and the ACC. Both conferences expanded to 14 schools, which makes them eligible to negotiate new terms.

I think the Big 12 might last a little longer than the next 3 years. 20 million per school per year? Not too shabby.

Yeah, I think it might be a little less than this. So you say that KU is open admissions, huh?

So if you add in the tier 3 that each school markets themselves, looks like most schools will be around 24-25 million a year.

From the article: Under the new terms, each Big 12 school will average just under $20 million a year...

Yeah I mistyped.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoot...ast-26-billion

Where do people line up to apologize?

LMAO

As I posted in the other thread..
You can bet Texas and their LHN has something to do with this...Texas is still running the BIG12 and everybody is sucking hind tit.

You are wanting to apologize for being an embarrassment to KU fans?

OH NOEZS!?!?! IT'S ALL TEXASA?!?!?!? THEY ARE GOING TO THE PAC 10!?!?!?!

LMAO

One of the few things you've posted that I agree with.
I'll bet you can't find three KU folks that will argue that he's not an embarrasment. I imagine most would rather he run into the hypothetical flaming aids tree while drinking anti-freeze.

How much are we betting?

Name it. I don't think you'll find three KU folks on this board to say you're not an embarrasment to KU fans.

what do you want people to apologize about?

He's not an embarrassment to KU fans.

Nice TV Deal. Guess the Big 12 isn't dead.

What are the terms?

You're the one acting like the tough guy.

Doesn't count coming a Wildcat.

I have it on good authority that Texas and Oklahoma are going to the Pac-10 and KU will be playing in the Mountain West by Labor Day.

Eh, basically ridiculing me and calling me names over the past 2 years because I've been steadfast in saying that the Big 12 would be fine and never break up.

But it's the internet, we're just having fun. Not being serious.

I don't even root for any of the Big 12 teams... but if it wasn't for Texas Tech and Texas' arrogance... OU and Texas would probably be in a different conference right now. Anyone who thinks otherwise is being delusional.

You name it, Asshole. I believe I made it fairly simple to understand.
Is 12 hours enough time for you to round up three established KU fans from this board to proclaim your ramblings not an embarrasment to KU?

I will admit I was wrong at least for now :D

I don't think he is a complete embarrassment. He does bring some good things to the table. He also rambles on sometimes but I think its entertaining the reaction he gets.

Don't say anything! I don't have terms yet!!!

I imagine Roy will be the other (and why I said 3).

You notice of course, even AH had to quantify with, don't think he is a COMPLETE embarrassment (of course he's an embarrasment, but even a blind pig finds a trough once in awhile)

I think all of us have, on occasion, posted comments that we later regretted. Some (like me) more often than others.

What happens if someone defends him, but I have a rep message from that same poster saying otherwise?

People are allowed to change their minds?

Wickedson says some utterly ridiculous things, and he's been treated as a noble pinata in various Mizzou threads, but he does seem to take the towel parties in stride, and I'm confident that he's probably a pretty good dude in real life.

As have I, Mr Braincase. I just don't believe most to be complete kings in the brotherhood of idiocy.
In this salvo, I'm simply calling what I believe to be a spade a spade. If I'm wrong, so be it.

Word. I don't get why people take all this shit so seriously.

It's not like any of us are out there playing the games.

I'm not super familiar with Wickedson's body of postin' work, but he seems kind of like a KU version of Hamas. That's a pretty okay thing to be imho.

Also, that should put a stop to B12 expansion for a while, right? At least long enough for Memphis, Louisville, and Cincinnati to be in the same conference again for one beautiful year? And, ideally, long enough to give Memphis time to inject horse steroids into its football program and go to the B12 with UL in 2018?

... please?

Who knows....

from CBS Sportsline article:
This new deal is based on a 10-team league and sources said it could be worth even more per school if the Big 12 expands to 11 or 12 teams.

Sounds good to me. Unless somehow the Big 12 could get ND.

Wait.....what did I say?

I like how the Big 12 is now "saved" because of this new deal, yet two schools left and four more teams tried to leave after last year's mega FOX deal - which also was supposedly meant to save the conference after the Nubs and Buffs left.

The Big 12 is "saved" until texass decides it can get a better deal somewhere else. That's been the underlying truth since the league was formed.

It is certainly good news for the Big 12. I suppose the wild card is and will always be Texas. If they ever decide to defect or go independent the whole thing may possibly crash. Nonetheless, a good dose of stability for some of our Big 12 neighbors. With that being said, I am still pleased with Mizzou's move to the SEC. With all the drama occuring, I think it was wise to get out.

I hesitate to start this up again, but you do realize that Missouri is directly responsible for a lot of the drama, right?

lol, I know right.

Also...I wonder if ever in the history of college athletics has a conference had two teams leave and then not even a full year later the conference lands a TV media deal that actually increases the revenue per school.

Jesus. You're a freaking broken record.

Enough already.

Not even close...

And you're a ****ing idiot, but that's been well established.

Don't post dumbass shit like "YAY THE BIG 12 IS SAVED!!111" if you don't want to be called out for being a complete ****ing moron.

I never posted anything resembling "yay, the Big 12 is saved"

I never believed the Big 12 was in trouble. I've documented this well throughout the last 2 years or whenever any of this began.

So you're "calling me out" only comes off as pathetic.

Fly butterfly, fly... The SEC is waiting.

And that's why you are a ****ing idiot.

The Big 12 IS in trouble, and always will be until texass decides to leave.

Sure you can replace them with some nobody school, but then the conference becomes a mid-major and significantly less valuable.

No other major conference is at risk of falling to shambles based on the actions of one egomaniac school. This TV deal changes nothing.

:rolleyes:

The Big XII has done that two years in a row. They got the Fox deal after NU and CU bolted.

If the deals happens, it is a positive sign for the Big XII....but if one billion dollar type deal did not make the Big XII completely secure and keep Texas and OU from flirting and looking around, then I doubt a second one will.

Don't confuse opinions with facts. The facts: 4 schools have left. 2 schools have committed to play in the conference next season. Although West Virginia and TCU may not have the history of Nebraska, based on the current status of their respective football programs, they are more than adequate. West Virginia is a very good basketball school, and TCU is probably on the same level of Nebraska or Colorado in basketball.

The Big 12 is probably not done with their membership. Any number of schools are considering moves, and the Big 12 has been mentioned prominently with a number of schools.

I am well aware that a number of fans from Nebraska, Colorado, TAMU and Mizzou not only believe but strongly desire for the Big 12 to fold up like a circus tent.

My opinion? The circus has left town and took their tents with them. The Big 12 is going to be fine...and I know that really pisses off some people.

It's embarrassing really. Especially those that are constantly wishing harm on the Big 12 and calling schools that were loyal to each other names and insulting them.

Not only that, when the situation changes, the damaging comments and arguments change with it.

I don't get why if they are so happy with their new conference why they continue to wish harm on those who stayed. But it's over and now there's much more money. It's a win-win I suppose. If you didn't want to be here then leave and GTFO already.

GTFO? How would you describe what we did if it wasn't getting the **** out? I don't wish harm on anyone, we got the better deal out of it, best of luck to the beaks and everyone else that got stuck and left behind.
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I wish the big12 and all it's members well. I'm still excited to be moving on to the sec, and a bright future for ol' mizzou.

Meh, the lionshare has and will always be Texas.

Nice to see the beakers continuing to offer lip service to their Texas overlords.

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Ugh, the stupidity that flows from this thread from both sides is crazy.

Who woulda ever believed trimming the fat that is mu and texas a+m would be this valuable?

Obviously the conference wasn't going anywhere but to make THIS much more $$?

Damn...