Originally Posted by pr_capone (Post 9192802)

updated OP w/financials:

Expenditures:
10/7 Banner - $625.00
10/28 Banners - $1,250.00
11/16 Flyers - $375.55
11/16 Banner - $900.00
11/18 Banner - $575.00
11/25 Banner - $625.00
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Total: $4,350.55

Current Paypal Balance: $1,984.05
Total Donations Received: $6,334.60

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 9192865)

Are the SOC leaders and members done with the sympathy bullshit for Crennel and Pioli?

Can we get back to business?

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 9192865)

Are the SOC leaders and members done with the sympathy bullshit for Crennel and Pioli?

Can we get back to business?

Originally Posted by scott free (Post 9192909)

Getting too aggressive and mouthy without having the perfect message, could undo all of the hard won, nationwide good will.

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 9192865)

Are the SOC leaders and members done with the sympathy bullshit for Crennel and Pioli?

Can we get back to business?

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 9192857)

Assuming that SOC will not be giving out any leftover money to charity this off season unless Pioli and Crennel are both announced as gone, correct or not?

Originally Posted by pr_capone (Post 9192983)

Not.

The money goes to charity at the end of the season regardless. SOC flying banners, flyers, "attacks" on the franchise are over. SOC will maintain a web presence and hopefully will become something of a facebook/twitter portal for Chiefs news.

Originally Posted by pr_capone (Post 9192983)

Not.

The money goes to charity at the end of the season regardless. SOC flying banners, flyers, "attacks" on the franchise are over. SOC will maintain a web presence and hopefully will become something of a facebook/twitter portal for Chiefs news.

Originally Posted by pr_capone (Post 9192983)

Not.

The money goes to charity at the end of the season regardless. SOC flying banners, flyers, "attacks" on the franchise are over. SOC will maintain a web presence and hopefully will become something of a facebook/twitter portal for Chiefs news.

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 9193073)

Dude, the absolute worst thing is give in to the sympathy BS. Campaigning flyovers can still be done with wording tact.

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 9193012)

If our goal was to have Pioli removed, why would we just fold up our tents, admit failure, when we still have bullets to use?

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 9192968)

I don't think it has to do with sympathy. If the SOC wants to win the PR battle with the Chiefs, we have to be cautious and not come off as a bunch of whiny assholes. The Chiefs have a multi million $ PR arm to sell their viewpoint. One perceived nasty act is all it would take for many Chief fans who are sympathetic to our views to turn on us.

Originally Posted by pr_capone (Post 9193100)

Clark heard us... there is no question about it. He knows we are not happy. He knows we aren't just a vocal minority. Continuing to trumpet the same message all season long next year will accomplish nothing.

At the end of the season... it really comes down to the people who supported SOC and their mission. Will YOU keep investing your time and money in the Kansas City Chiefs. Will people act on their displeasure and not renew season tickets? Will they pay for parking?

Nothing else we do, in terms of "acting out /Winston", will re-enforce our message any more.

Originally Posted by Hugh Janus (Post 9193045)

If you aren't willing to continue fighting the cause that SOC was built on... promoting change within the Chiefs organization then you should do everyone a favor and step aside and let other people take over.

You collected $$$ from people with one primary purpose... get rid of Fat Scott and Romeo.

Originally Posted by pr_capone (Post 9193100)

Clark heard us... there is no question about it. He knows we are not happy. He knows we aren't just a vocal minority. Continuing to trumpet the same message all season long next year will accomplish nothing.

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 9193118)

So you are going to make a unilateral decision with the groups money

Originally Posted by pr_capone (Post 9193100)

Clark heard us... there is no question about it. He knows we are not happy. He knows we aren't just a vocal minority. Continuing to trumpet the same message all season long next year will accomplish nothing.

At the end of the season... it really comes down to the people who supported SOC and their mission. Will YOU keep investing your time and money in the Kansas City Chiefs. Will people act on their displeasure and not renew season tickets? Will they pay for parking?

Nothing else we do, in terms of "acting out /Winston", will re-enforce our message any more.

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 9193124)

It has been stated for weeks. This is not new information.

Originally Posted by pr_capone (Post 9193100)

Clark heard us... there is no question about it. He knows we are not happy. He knows we aren't just a vocal minority. Continuing to trumpet the same message all season long next year will accomplish nothing.

At the end of the season... it really comes down to the people who supported SOC and their mission. Will YOU keep investing your time and money in the Kansas City Chiefs. Will people act on their displeasure and not renew season tickets? Will they pay for parking?

Nothing else we do, in terms of "acting out /Winston", will re-enforce our message any more.

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 9193144)

Bullshit, giving up now is new to me. We've had polls saying we should still soldier on with the cause with over 60% majority in favor of keeping the flyovers.

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 9193124)

It has been stated for weeks. This is not new information.

Originally Posted by Hugh Janus (Post 9193140)

If you have no intention of continuing the SOC cause after the season... even if Fat Scott/Romeo are retained then you should spend all the $$$ you have collected during these last few weeks on continuing to promote their firings. You should also stop collecting any new money.

People aren't giving you money to give to charity. If people want to give to charity they have endless direct ways to do so... Red Cross, Feed the Children, etc.

The fact you have decided to go out on such a whimper is frankly disappointing.

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 9193151)

:spock: Then you haven't been reading or paying attention to this thread, Facebook, Twitter, or the television interviews.

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 9193162)

What's the point of doing anything next year? It's childish at that point. You don't like the regime? Quit supporting the team financially. Quit supporting their sponsors. Flyovers would look ****ing stupid next year, IMO.

Originally Posted by Guru (Post 9193208)

I certainly hope you still plan to fly a banner or two for the final home game. Please tell me you are not just giving up now. It is obvious the people donating money expect a banner to fly.

Originally Posted by Guru (Post 9193208)

I certainly hope you still plan to fly a banner or two for the final home game. Please tell me you are not just giving up now. It is obvious the people donating money expect a banner to fly.

Originally Posted by Guru (Post 9193208)

I certainly hope you still plan to fly a banner or two for the final home game. Please tell me you are not just giving up now. It is obvious the people donating money expect a banner to fly.

Originally Posted by Hugh Janus (Post 9193212)

Really? The stated mission of SOC is pretty simple:

A group of fans dedicated to changing the culture at Arrowhead and returning a winning team to Kansas City.

I don't see anything in there about transforming into the Red Cross.

SOC has collected money under false pretenses if you don't use it for the stated cause... changing the culture and returning a winning team to KC.

Donating to charities doesn't accomplish that.

Fat Scott will watch you donate to charities and laugh as he uses the tragedy last week to save his job.

Originally Posted by pr_capone (Post 9050915)

edited OP



I want to address this so there is no question. If Pioli is fired, we will immediately cancel the two banners, we will take all remaining funds in the paypal account and donate those funds to the Boys & Girls Club in KC, and I personally guarantee that I will renew my season tickets. If he isn't fired following the season, SOC will cease to operate, all funds will be donated to charity, and I will put by STH jersey on a hanger until he is. Now there is no maybe about it.

Pioli must go. There can be no other end to this. He may be a fantastic GM in the sense that he makes you a lot money but that is only one part of his job. His first choice was to marry this team to a never was QB. Never has the term "ball and chain" been a more fitting analogy to the effect Cassel has had on this team. I could rattle on for paragraph upon paragraph on his failings but they have been expounded upon amateurs like us with the Pioli Facts and by professionals on ESPN.com, S&I.com, and msn.foxsports.com.

You were at the stadium 10/7 and you heard Cassel boo'd mercilessly every time he took the field. That wasn't organized. Those were individuals spontaneously expressing their anger and they all agreed. We aren't a small minority and we are very unhappy.

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 9193242)

Like I said, I'm okay with stopping at the end of this year. I'm not okay with stopping all activities with that amount of money in the bank.

With that amount of money, there should be at least two banners flown at the final game.

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 9193233)

It's a major dupe if they stop the Indy flyover from transpiring.

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 9193242)

Like I said, I'm okay with stopping at the end of this year. I'm not okay with stopping all activities with that amount of money in the bank.

With that amount of money, there should be at least two banners flown at the final game.

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 9193254)

We need something creative with some of that money. 2 banners isn't going to do anymore than 1. We need some creativity.

Originally Posted by Guru (Post 9193255)

I'm just asking for clarification is all. He always said the funds would go to charity at the end of the season. He didn't just make that up recently. I just, ant to make certain one PR even two banners fly for the colts game. You have to go out with a major splash.

Originally Posted by pr_capone (Post 9193257)

We are stopping at the end of the year... not before the Indi game.

Originally Posted by Hugh Janus (Post 9193287)

You should ensure that there is a zero balance of $$$ by the end of the season so all funds that have been donated will have been used the for the ORIGINAL, stated mission of the SOC movement.

If you don't have any intentions of continuing SOC after the season, then why don't you ensure all the money collected for the cause has been spent by then... on the mission the cause was founded on?

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 9193254)

We need something creative with some of that money. 2 banners isn't going to do anymore than 1. We need some creativity.

Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 9193400)

Hire someone to fly a banner over radio row* at the Super Bowl:

WISH YOU WERE HERE AND PIOLI WAS GONE - SAVEOURCHIEFS.COM


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Or some appropriate outdoor SuperBowl activity if radio row is inside.

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 9193273)

Let's make up a "Worst Executive in Franchise History" award certificate, turn it into a printable PDF file, and have a mass mailing of them to 1 Arrowhead Dr. That's just off the top of my head. We NEED something creative.

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9193561)

(# of blowouts) BLOWOUTS SINCE PIOLI. FIRE PIOLI SAVEOURCHIEFS.COM

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 9193119)

The Blackout made a strong statement to Clark. It's in their hands now. One final, awesome, perfectly worded banner is all that's left. Maybe wrap it up with some nice charitable act as well, before giving the money to charity. I agree with this line of thinking 100%.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9193593)

23-39 OVER 4 YEARS - FIRE PIOLI - SAVEOURCHIEFS.COM

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 9193670)

How much would it cost to fly a longer banner? Something that allowed more characters?

Originally Posted by pr_capone (Post 9193674)

It isn't about money but legality.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9193775)

All remaining funds should go to banners and informational handouts, IMO.

If that means that five planes are circling Arrowhead, that's beautiful.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9193775)

All remaining funds should go to banners and informational handouts, IMO.

If that means that five planes are circling Arrowhead, that's beautiful.

Originally Posted by pr_capone (Post 9193893)

The person whom we have the agreement with has 2 planes. I inquired about more and he said it might be possible and got back to me a few days later stating that the cost for an additional plane would nearly double his hourly rate.

I'm all for spending the money but lets not burn money for the sake of it being there. Year end tailgate for all SOC supporters? Two planes flying for two hours? Hire trucks to take donated items to a local shelter?

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 9193273)

Let's make up a "Worst Executive in Franchise History" award certificate, turn it into a printable PDF file, and have a mass mailing of them to 1 Arrowhead Dr. That's just off the top of my head. We NEED something creative.

Originally Posted by Guru (Post 9193957)

Lets try to avoid waiting until the Wednesday prior to the game to make decisions this time though.

Originally Posted by denverdanchiefsfan (Post 9193961)

Do it and I will mail a bunch from Colorado. ****, I will drive to several different parts of the state so they have different postmarks.

Originally Posted by pr_capone (Post 9193983)

You realize we just had 3 games in a row at home, right? That said, I apologize that I let less important things like my life interfere with the decision of what went on the banner. :D

Originally Posted by pr_capone (Post 9193983)

You realize we just had 3 games in a row at home, right? That said, I apologize that I let less important things like my life interfere with the decision of what went on the banner. :D

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9194045)

"WE'LL USE HELICOPTERS NEXT YEAR IF PIOLI IS KEPT" -SAVEOURCHIEFS.COM

Originally Posted by scott free (Post 9193660)

100% percent of THIS.

Why not go ahead with the food drive under a different tag, it'd be a WIN all the way around.

Originally Posted by thebigshow (Post 9194489)

PLAY BREASTON - CAN PIOLI - SAVEOURCHIEFS.COM

long time lurker, strong first post i know.

This is within the character limit. Includes the website. Promotes the food donation (if it's still occuring, if not it could be changed to fire pioli) and addresss an important team issue with Breaston filing for grievance. I think it should be in the running. :shrug: