Colts Hire Chiefs' Player Personal Chris Ballard
 

The #Colts have hired GM Chris Ballard, formerly of the #Chiefs.

— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) January 29, 2017



It's also been reported that Ballard might take the Chiefs' ST coach Dave Toub with him.




(I thought it deserved to have it's own thread for the people who aren't around much and will see it in the title.)

Well, shit

It sucks, but I'm not surprised... cant keep' em all

Yep, this.

And it's hard to not take over a team that already has the QB of the future in place. Not a bad place to be.

Ouch.


Taking Dave Toub with him would suck.

As if we needed another reason to hate the Colts.

I hope he can put up with Irsay. Dude is nuttier than an almond joy.

It's hard to imagine a point where the Colts could ever get off my franchise death list.

Congrats Chris!

You dick, now I've got that old Almond Joy TV commercial ditty going through my head! Son of a bitch!

probably won't have to for that much longer

One good draft and free agency period would do wonders for that team

Patch a decent O line together

Get a decent running back

Then load up on defense

Losing Toub will definitely affect our ST unit. That will then in turn hurt our W-L next season. This could be a bigger blow to our team than Ballard.

Pagano just signed a four year extension with the Colts a week or three ago.

Yeah and the Rams extended Fisher about the same time frame before they fired him.

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It's actually a great situation for Ballard.

He goes to team that is talent depleted but with a coach is already in place.

If he provides talent but Pagano can't win, then Ballard can hire "his" guy and likely extend his stay by another 5 years or so.

Personally, I'm glad he's gone now, as it was inevitable.

The Chiefs don't need this distraction every year, especially this late into the season, when they're preparing for The Combine and setting up their draft boards.

I'm going be so pissed if Colts get back to the Super Bowl before we get a whiff of it.


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Just sayin

Can he take Toub with him?

Did anyone see Andy and Dave Toub having a little tiff late in the game vs Steelers? Look like they had a difference of opinion in play calls.

I'm wondering if he will take a scout or two from us and promote them on his staff. I also wonder who is going to replace Ballard on our staff

I'd just like to add **** **** **** **** **** ****

Teams shouldn't be able to be aloud to ask for permission to speak to coaches that are still in the playoffs.

They should get draft picks taken away.

GODDAMNIT, **** YOU INDIANAPOLIS

Looks like Veach is taking his spot:

Matt Miller

Next in line from Kansas City? Keep an eye on Brett Veach. Has been climbing the ladder there. Great reputation as a scout's scout

**** us on the field and off it. Thanks Colts.

Teams are allowed to speak to coaches if there's a Bye Week or after teams have been eliminated. For example, the 49ers interviewed Kyle Shanahan during the Falcons Bye but hasn't been allowed to speak to them since, but he's expected to be the new head coach after the Super Bowl.

It would be a disaster to make teams wait until the last week of January to scramble to interview coaches because The Combines are just a few weeks away and teams need time to plan ahead, especially when there's a new offensive and defensive philosophy (not to mention, getting on board with the new owner, GM, etc.).

That was last year. He and Grigson were both extended at the end of last season when everyone thought they were gonna be fired.

The Colts could hire Toub if they gave him the Assistant Head Coach position.

But unless Pagano is fired, it would seem rather awkward to have Toub on staff because Pagano would be constantly looking over his shoulder.

We will be fine stop panicking this happens to good teams

Irsay is too cheap to just let him go and pay him.

Tell me more.


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Disagree.

Front office personnel guys work year round. Ballard has been taking notes on guys for this draft since last summer. I would imagine that a new staff would also have tons of info on a lot of prospects.

Toub's unit had by far their worst outing in the playoff game and it's not surprising considering he was a distraction by interviewing.

Random....

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**** off


we sucked for 12 years, hardly a time to be cocky about shit

It didn't affect Kyle Shanahan

Chiefs aren't going to grant permission for Toub to become an assistant HC. Teams can block any other team trying to take a coach for anything but HC.

Source?

Damn


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Dude , spelling 101

But it's really classless of them to do /Knowmo

Wellllll they are better lock up Dorsey now.

From Philly to Kansas City, One Chiefs Scout Shares His Journey:



Everything came together nicely for Kansas City Chiefs pro and college personnel analyst Brett Veach two years ago.

After spending the two previous seasons as the Philadelphia Eagles Southeast region college scout (2011-12), Veach was given an opportunity to reunite with Andy Reid in Kansas City.

Veach, who had worked as a summer intern with the Eagles after his playing career at the University of Delaware had ended, developed a love for scouting and the personnel side of football operations while working under Reid in Philadelphia.

"My first role with the Eagles was coach Reid's assistant," Veach explained of the position he held from 2007 to 2009. "Really, if you follow the track of that position, most of the time people in that position go on to a coaching career. I had luck on my side in that [Reid] was doing a lot of personnel at the time, so it was natural for him to give me assignments that were more personnel-based.


"So from there, I kind of grew a love for that side of things. It was just something I was instantly attracted to."

Veach, a converted receiver after being a standout running back at Mount Carmel High School in Pennsylvania, where he was named the 1996 Player of the Year, caught 99 passes for 1,470 yards and 12 touchdowns in his career at Delaware (1998-2001). He also ranks third all-time at the school in kickoff return yards.

Interestingly enough, Veach spent his collegiate career catching passes from Chiefs quarterbacks coach Matt Nagy, who played for the Blue Hens (1997-2000) before joining Reid and Veach in Philadelphia in 2008 as a coaching intern.

But for Veach, the opportunity to join Reid in Kansas City wasn't just about following a familiar face; the structure of the personnel department was something that piqued his interest.

"I think one thing that we do here which is really cool is we kind of cross-train," he said. "A lot of our pro guys help out on the college side, and then vice-versa, where a lot of our college guys will be asked for our input on the pro side. So there's constant communication and back-and-forth in regards to strengths and weaknesses of where we can improve the team.

"I have a dual role where I do some college and some pro, so it's kind of a unique opportunity. I help out during the free agency period and the cut-down days with the pro side and then hit the road during the fall for college."

Most fans see the NFL Draft as the culmination of an offseason of talking through mock drafts and analysts' projections and opinions.

But for scouts like Veach, the draft is the end of a journey that included a lot of hours on the road away from friends and family, evaluating players, who could potentially help the Chiefs, from all across the country.

"I think whatever you do in life, everything is a people business," Veach said. "It's all about establishing your relationships. I think the ability to go out on the road, meet new people, talk football, learn a little bit about the different areas and cultures and traditions, that's a really cool thing."

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Despite the hours and travel, the hook for Veach is trying to determine the trajectory and future of a player.

"Having the opportunity to see young men and their abilities at a certain stage and project in your mind what they could be for your team and how they fit in, I think that's the thing that draws you in the most."

After the collegiate and NFL seasons have ended, the scouts and personnel guys get together with the coaching staff to share what they've learned.

"It's exciting because of the trust we have with our staff," Veach said of this time. "It's exciting for us to come in, sit down with them and share everything we've logged from really June and July all the way up until where we are now.

"It's exciting to give them your spin on things, but then in turn, it's also exciting to hear their take on some of the things you may have missed on a report or evaluation.

"The communication is a thing you really look forward to."

Any decision on a player being drafted is obviously not one that's made with a singular voice, but certain players can stand out from the first time you watch them.

"The guys that really by the time you get to the seventh or eighth play on tape, you already want to watch more," Veach explained. "Most of the time, a scout will watch three to four games on a player and then go back and watch a later tape, but every now and then you'll get a player that you just want to watch every single game because they're so fun to watch.

"They just instantly jump out on tape."

While Veach had a history with Reid before he came to Kansas City, the opportunity to work for general manager John Dorsey, with his respected past and pedigree, was another reason Veach made the move.

"Obviously, having the opportunity to work for coach Reid is something that I don't think many people would pass on," he explained. "But I think what also made it even more attractive was the fact that he'd be working with John Dorsey.

"That was something that I had a strong desire to do. His reputation around the league was solid and everyone spoke very highly of him. The fact that John had that Green Bay pedigree was something that I think all the scouts on the road really aspire to work for."

He continued.

"You look at that track record and knowing that they really do it the blue-collar way, where you just roll the sleeves up, go to work, watch tape, not going to dabble a lot in free agency; it's really going to be all about the draft and creating your own culture. That was something that you're really excited about in regards to that opportunity."

The opportunity, derived from his own hard work, along with the serendipitous hiring of both Reid and Dorsey in Kansas City, put Veach in a position to learn from two of the most respected NFL minds in their respective positions.

That's why Veach decided to continue his career in Kansas City-to learn and develop in his own right-as he looks for prospects to bring to the Chiefs to learn and develop as players.

It's an amalgamation that will hopefully benefit everyone, including members of Chiefs Kingdom, who will see the result of Dorsey, Reid, Veach and company's hard work when the roster is set heading into 2015.



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EAGLES LOSE TOP SCOUT BRETT VEACH TO CHIEFS:

With the start of free agency right around the corner and the NFL draft less than two months away, the Eagles have lost a significant member of their personnel department.

Brett Veach, who was entering his fourth season in the scouting department and third as the team’s Southeast region scout, left the team to reunite with Andy Reid in Kansas City for an undetermined scouting role for the Chiefs.

Veach first broke into the NFL as an intern with the Eagles in 2004 and was later hired as Reid’s assistant in 2007. He ascended quickly in the front office and was considered one of the team’s keenest scouts.

“Basically, an opportunity presented itself in Kansas City to be a part of Coach Reid’s staff again and [general manager] John Dorsey staff, and it was an opportunity I was excited about,” Veach, a native of Mount Carmel, Pa., and former University of Delaware standout, told CSNPhilly.com.

Veach said he left on great terms with the Eagles, calling his time there “six unbelieveable years” of learning under general manager Howie Roseman, former player personnel chief Ryan Grigson (now the Colts’ general manager) and director of college scouting Anthony Patch.

“Those guys taught me everything I know to this point,” Veach said. “You’re talking about three really sharp minds that I learned from every day.”

Veach left the Eagles shortly after the NFL Scouting Combine in late February and said Roseman graciously allowed him to go. The Eagles didn’t respond to comment and it’s unclear if they’ve filled Veach’s spot.

Ed Marynowitz, who joined the Eagles’ staff last May as assistant director of pro scouting, represented the Eagles at Miami’s and Florida International’s Pro Days on Thursday. Marynowitz had been the director of player personnel at the University of Alabama for four years before he joined the Eagles.

But Veach’s departure leaves the Eagles without one of their most prominent field scouts during the most critical time period for general managers and coaches to lean heavily on their personnel staff. Free agency starts 4 p.m. Tuesday and the draft starts April 25.

For the next seven weeks, personnel staffs will be hosting college prospects for interviews along with traveling the countryside to examine more prospects at Pro Days and private workouts. One league source said NFL teams rarely let scouts get away in the heart of the pre-draft process.

Several of the Eagles’ draft picks over the past few years have come from the prospect-rich Southeast region and from the prestigious Southeastern Conference, including last year’s first-round pick, former Mississippi State defensive tackle Fletcher Cox. The Eagles traded up to pluck Cox at 12th overall.

The Eagles also picked cornerback Brandon Boykin in the fourth round. Boykin edged incumbent Joselio Hanson for the nickelback job and played the position all year, along with returning kickoffs.

After his internship in 2004, Veach went back to work in Delaware’s athletic department until his second chance to work for Reid came in 2007, when he was named assistant to the head coach. He served that position for three years until his promotion to college and pro scout in 2010.

Veach was assigned to study wide receivers in 2008 leading up to the draft. That year, the Eagles picked DeSean Jackson in the second round. Jackson has made two Pro Bowls.

The Eagles promoted Veach to regional college scout in 2011 and assigned Veach to the country’s most fertile ground for college football standouts.

When the chance came to work again for Reid, who was fired by the Eagles at the end of last season and quickly hired by the Chiefs, Veach embraced the opportunity.

“Now I get a chance to work with John Dorsey,” Veach said. “It was just an exciting opportunity to learn from another great NFL mind.”


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Probably will happen. They have the most important piece.

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Arguably the biggest move surrounds Chris Ballard, who was promoted from director of player personnel to director of football operations.

Ballard, who has 14 years of experience in NFL personnel, joined the Chiefs in 2013 and his name has surfaced around the league in the past two offseasons as a prime candidate for open general manager spots. The Chicago Bears interviewed Ballard in early January 2015 for the then-vacant general manager position.

Of note, Chiefs general manager John Dorsey served one year as the Green Bay Packers director of football operations in 2012 before being hired to his current position.

In other moves, the Chiefs promoted Mike Borgonzi and Brett Veach as co-directors of player personnel to replace Ballard.

Borgonzi, who has been with the Chiefs for six years, previously served as the director of pro scouting, and Veach held the position of pro and college personnel analyst the past two years after serving six years with coach Andy Reid in Philadelphia (2007-12).

Ryne Nutt, who joined the Chiefs staff in 2010, moves from Northeast area scout to Southeast area scout, an area former assistant director of college scouting Dom Green was responsible for. The New York Jets recently hired Green as its Southwest area scout.

Matt Donahoe, who has been with the Chiefs since 2013, moves from national scout to Nutt’s previous post as Northeast area scout. Donahoe spent the 2012 summer in Green Bay as a scouting intern.

The promotions affect titles and responsibilities, but not the reporting structure, as each man will still report to Dorsey.


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Isray chose to keep Pagano when he fired Grigson. Pagano has 3 years left on his contract. Normally, I'd say those are signs that Pagano is staying. But as previous posters have stated: Isray is a bit of a wildcard. And the Colts have gone 8-8 two years in a row. So I guess anything is possible. I hope the Chiefs can find a way to keep Toub. Unless they talk Isray into trading Luck for Toub. :p Ballard was a great signing by the Colts.

Sounds like the SE is a promotion over the NE. Wonder why we lost Green to N.Y. Doesn't sound like he was promoted. $$

Green left the Chiefs in the Spring of 2015

Ballard has it so good as long as the deunken moron doesn't get involved with decisions

the eaglization of the Chiefs continues

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ballard is using a year 1 roster bonus to supplement the signing bonus to limit cap liability in the back end of the contract.</p>&mdash; TexansCap (@TexansCap) <a href="https://twitter.com/TexansCap/status/841706475865137157">March 14, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Very smart. Did this for years in philly. Excellent strategy. Everything going on in Indy says that they hired the right guy <a href="https://t.co/19hG11uFXS">https://t.co/19hG11uFXS</a></p>&mdash; Joe Banner (@JoeBanner13) <a href="https://twitter.com/JoeBanner13/status/841720575877869568">March 14, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Ballard didn't offer Poe a contract which is going to kill Poe's chances of anything good . Being cut by your home team and then turned away from the GM that knows you well from another team isn't a good sign. His price just went waaay down.

If you want a kick in the nuts again...the NFLN is showing the January 5, 2014 playoff game again on Wednesday at noon.




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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Colts have requested permission to interview Patriots OC Josh McDaniels for their HC job, per league source.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/947877392051253249?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 1, 2018</a></blockquote>
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If McD is Ballard's first choice and the Browns keep Hue, you guys might not have to worry about losing Nagy/Toub. Although Toub would make sense for Chicago.

Hope the Colts hire him. That'll be one less good team in the AFC.

One less?

Less masturbation and more ingestion of protein...

Ballard is sniffing around Nagy and Toub. Ballard can kick rock.

As opposed to them hiring a good coach that knows what he's doing. They still have Luck.

Naggy might be the one person Big Red has ever shown this much trust in.

Reid was clearly calling the plays for PM but I can't hate on that...

Spend less time expelling protein and more time taking it in.


Or (es-plained) spend less time jerking off and more time on brain foods...

Thank you esplaining, my angry German freund. But what I didn't understand is why you think Josh McDaniels would be a good HC after his performance with the Donks. Classic tale of "riding the coattails".

I never said that (and don't think he'll ever be more than a respectable OC.)

here we go with the talented assistants leaving and us still being stuck with Andy...

Yeah, I'm heartbroken about being stuck with Andy Reid. Get the **** out of here with this take.

Agree with that. Guess I need a German-English translator. Happy New Year.

Ballard is GM of the year.


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Who cares

Well it sucks that he's proven to actually be able to find talent in the draft. Veach, yet to be determined...

From a draft standpoint, both Ballard and Dorsey are running laps around Veach. The Chiefs 2018 draft has looked like a big wet fart, while Dorsey has drafted what appears to be gems in Mayfield, Ward, Chubb, and Callaway...and Ballard has been able to draft gems such as Nelson, Leonard, Mack, Hooker over his couple yrs in Indy.

And Veach traded up for Breeland ****ing Speaks...sigh. Wasn't a huge fan of the O'Daniel pick, but our LB's are so bad it almost makes him look good, and Nnadi looks like he's JAG. Liked the Watts pick, but of course, he got put onto IR. I mean I guess he hit on Tremon Smith as a KR, a position that no longer matters in the league...woohoo yippee.

Veach also didn't properly address Marcus Peters' departure when it was desperately needed. Amerson and Scandrick are major dumpster fires, and his high priced FA (Hitchens) has played like ass the whole season, the guy should decline his probowl invite...what a ****ing joke.

However...Veach gets a pass this year, because he was a big part in the Chiefs drafting Mahomes, even though he technically wasn't GM, which may be the best Chiefs draft pick of all time, much more important than Derrick Thomas.

Mahomes gives Veach some credibility, and deservedly so, but if not for Mahomes, Veach gets a F in my book.

Dorsey had 4 out of the first 35 picks, including the 1st and 4th overall. the chiefs' first pick was at 46 overall. Only a dipshit would compare the two.

This

That was a quick ass kicking. lol

Yea completely ridiculous to expect Veach to match those guys drafts when he had a late pick and no 1st.

Veach’s draft wasn’t that bad all things considered. It’s his two big free agent signings that have been disappointing.

The guys Veach drafted 2018 just need to develop and get playing time. I didn't have high expectations we didn't have any high draft picks.


Dee Ford first year was a lost soul but he worked hard to learn the game and i think it was harder for him to "get it" but he finally "got it".



Veach is doing something right we have a bye week in the playoffs with HFA.

While comparing picks is pointless, as has already been pointed out, this team really needs its 2nd round picks to contribute more, especially when he traded picks to get Speaks.

Speaks is definitely a disappointment at this point. That being said, he really hit on Tremon Smith IMHO and the trade for Ward looks like it might pay out.

NFL success breeds copycats. Poachers of your talent. Our guys getting significant promotions is just a part of that success.

If we are going on a 10 year "Bellicheck/NE" type of a run, we just need to keep the core. Is our core of Mahomes/Reid/Hill comparable to Bellicheck/Brady/Gronk, enough for that 10 year run?