Per Verderame: Veach would prefer to keep Chris Jones
 

Interesting article here. Not a huge fan of Verderame but he was at the Super Bowl and he does go to the combine. I think he gets some tips, albeit from Terez (who is a nice guy).

Here is the most interesting part of the article. 2021 and 2022 would be extremely difficult to manage.

https://fansided.com/2020/02/10/chri...mpression=true

So... basically if the Chiefs keep Jones, it's do-able, but they have to hope the new CBA balloons the salary cap, too.

Its honestly a safe bet to be fair. And Mahomes might want to wait for new CBA before signing extension so... Pay heavy on Jones Contract first two years then extend Mahomes.

I think you have to have a long term solution for Patrick before Jones. Will Jones and his agent be okay/understanding about that? We’ll see.

or the new CBA has some kind of exception for QB's?:hmmm:

Hope this happens. Would be a big win for the Chiefs and Mahomes.

Pretty Standard honestly.......

He’s neglecting other cuts that can be made instead of Wilson.

LDT
Colquitt
Erving
Reiter

Man that is tough.

Okay let’s examine this for a second.

First, Mahomes is not going to have a $40 million cap hit in 2021. It will be a backloaded contract and I would imagine year 2 would be around $25-30 million before escalating in year 3.

Second, I believe Kelce will get an extension this offseason once Kittle gets his. That would push that cap hit down the next 2 years and help.

Third, we are going to have to find at least one OT in the next 2 years to replace Fish and lower that cap hit.

People... STOP suggesting that we cut Damien Wilson. Makes absolutely no sense. He’s cheap.

Agreed. We need linebackers. Why would we cut our best?

June 1st cut would save 4.5 Million on the cap is why people are suggesting it.

LDT - $5 million
Reiter - $3.5 million
Erving - $3.25 million
Colquitt - $2 million

All better cuts than Wilson.

You’d spend just as much or more to replace him adequately (unless you’re using a top pick on LB).

I just think there’s way better cut options to create that room (which others have mentioned).

Veach said last week on Eisen’s show that it’s huge for them to have inside and outside pass rush presence with Jones and Clark. He’d clearly prefer that to two edge rushers (which most teams spend on).

I think he wants to keep him for sure unless an offer blows him away.

Bring back Wiz on a one year deal, cut LDT, draft a new center and either keep Wiz at LG and have Rankins play RG or flip them.

Agree on most of em, minus Colquitt. I was just explaining why people were saying Wilson.

It will be nice when Berry is finally off the books. What a terrible deal that was.

LDT and Fisher are way overpaid for what we got in return. I would like the CHiefs to address the Oline in the draft and get some fresh studs on the line.

Sportrac says with rollover we’ll have $13.99 million.
Cap rise avg of $10 million would make that $23.99 million

Cutting Watkins would give you $14 million and put you at $37.99 million. That’s before cutting anyone else.

Think we’ll be fine this year. It’s 2021 and 2022 that gets dicey

Colquitt just needs to retire. His leg is done.

Would be nice but two guys on the dl getting huge money is tough to pull off unless Jones helps and just wants to stay.

The franchise tag will take up all of our cap space.

Just franchising Jones means we need to make cuts just to sign draft picks.

Gotta get a long term deal done or tag trade quickly.

I’m fairly certain that 14m is including the rollover.

Jones & Sammy are both goners unless the new CBA gives a bailout on QB salaries (separate cap).

Eisen also said Jones will take a hometown discount to stay in KC.

A semi reliable person told me a few days ago that Mahomes will do the same and that the players know it and others might follow suit to stay in KC.

Hopefully, it’s true. He’s fed me a few bits of legit info in the past and 100% has connections.

If we can tag & trade him the way Seattle did with Frank, I think you do it 100% of the time (if we’re able to do that).

Mahomes taking 40m but having a Seahawks type Line in front of him or a Chiefs 2018 defense on the other side or both would be unwise.

I think he is smart enough to know this imo

"He is a Seahawk. He ain't going anywhere. We aren't losing him." - Pete Carroll on Frank Clark in December 2019

No matter what Veach/Jones say publicly during this deal, it's going to all depend on what kind of offers they get from other teams. All of the other noise is just PR nonsense.

Berry is still hurting our cap.

God Damn what an abomination.

Based on everything I’ve heard publicly and just knowing Mahomes and the competitor that he is, I think he’s going to do KC a solid. And if he wants to be the GOAT one day, he’s gotta do that. He wants it. Idk what that looks like financially, but he wants it.

He will make as much of more off of endorsements at this point being the face of American sports. It’ll be nothing to him if it means more rings.

Imagine Mahomes coming out and NOT becoming the highest paid QB in the league. Could you imagine the stories and backlash about how he’s stupid and not maximizing his value?

Also if has good players around him O-line/WR/RB he is going to play for possibly another 13-14 years maybe more. It's not like he is Chris Jones he might only have 4-5 years left making top end money

8 million bucks. His spirit still lingers.

The NFLPA may not let that happen. I’m not sure how much power they hold with that stuff but I can’t see it being less than $35M.

There have been a bunch of people on TV saying he should give a discount if he wants to keep winning. Where he would potentially get some backlash is from the players union, agents, etc. Dak Prescott and Deshaun Watson will be pretty mad if Mahomes does that, lol

Nfl Insider Jeremy Fowler said that Mahomes will take around 37-38 mil a year not the full 40

Watch our QB be the one to stall the QB market. He takes $35 million and then other teams are asking why their QBs should get paid more than Mahomes who’s obviously better than they are. ROFL

Fisher to count $15,231,666 on the Cap.

Cam Erving - $4,681,668

LDT - $9,000,000

Reiter - $3,758,334

That is a lot of money for mediocre talent that have a long injury history.

That makes sense from a discount perspective... although $35M would be sweet

Seriously how the F**K did Jared Goff get that contract.

That’s not really a discount. Granted, I think he is worth 50+ to the Chiefs. But would need to be around 25-28 for the discount to be really helpful for KC.

Say Mahomes takes $37-38M per here in a couple months. If he beats Dak and Prescott, it’ll be a bargain in no time. They’ll get more.

Those two are probably just going to wait it out for Patrick and if you want money, then you should.

That won’t happen. It’s too obvious, players union will lose their shit

You would think watching the offense struggle without Fisher would be proof enough. You don’t cut him. He’s too valuable.

And replacing him with be damn hard. A decent LT like Fisher is not easy to find.

I don't think Chris Jones cares at this point. He came back for the playoffs and made a difference on the way to being apart of a Super Bowl winning team. A huge payday is looming for him regardless of where it is, his check is signed.

They’ve allowed Brady to do that for years.

This is true... idk, not sure how it all works as far as if they can prevent it

Yet, when they were injured, we saw how important they were with the alternatives we had. That was a rough stretch when an injured Mahomes was playing behind a juco o-line.

Then the NFLPA is stupid. Wait. Of course they are. They're too dumb to realize that quarterbacks getting 18-29% of the cap doesn't help anyone but quarterbacks and it hurts everyone else. It's not the Chiefs are going to spend less of the cap if Mahomes takes less. The players are still getting their $200 or so million. But the other 52 will only get a piece of $160 million instey of a piece of $175 million. I don't understand why the NFLPA can't see that. They should want quarterback salaries to stay reasonable. Besides, if Mahomes takes $125 million or $200 million, he will still have earned more money in that one contract than he could possibly ever spend. What's the point of any of it after that point?

I think Fisher will be renegotiated and extended... LDT and Reiter are possible cuts. I think we'll draft some Linemen early this season.

You won’t hear any rebuttal from me on that, it makes sense. I just know that’s how that stuff works.

If Mahomes sells it as “I just want my teammates to make more”, then it may work in that way.

As great as Mahomes is he needs to a good team around him

Mahomes $Rich + Good Team = Great Team (Patriots)

Mahomes $Super Rich + Mediocre Team = Good Team (Seattle)

Fisher is a good tackle but can be upgraded if they try over the next couple years in spots. I’d rather draft a tackle in the next couple years than extend him.

Aaron Donald is getting $22.5 million a year. I don’t see Jones as worth that much. Fletcher Cox is getting $17.1 per year. I’d give Jones $18-18.5 a season.

I agree. And I wasn't arguing with you, if you took it that way. I was about to post that anyway, your post just hit the subject first, so I replied to it.

On the open market Jones may get more though...

Dak AND Prescott? Both of them? You don’t say...:hmmm:

Players like Chris Jones do not hit the open market when they are in their prime.

That’s going to be his decision to make. KC isn’t paying him that much. Do you want an extra $4 million a year for a chance to play on a mediocre team or $4 million less to stay here and have a chance at a ring again.

Why on earth would we cut Fisher?? We didn’t lose a single game in which he started this year.

****, Watson

You know what I mean!

You wouldn’t cut him this year

But I’d start to think about finding a cheaper player early in the draft after this season

Not sure we can know anything until there's clarity on the CBA. Once we know that, we proceed.

#1: Take care of Patrick.

#2: Repeat the 2019 draft.

#3: Everything else.

Well that and I don’t see KC giving him that option. I don’t think he hits the market this year.

Fisher missed 8 games and it took him two games to get up to speed when he came back.

LDT missed 2 games in 2019 and 11 games in 2018

Erving and Reiter are average at best.

We have a lot of money invested in the O line for 2020 and we have guys that have an injury history or are just above average.

Tag and trade jones

At what price? Just best offer?

I think you have to draw a line somewhere

Nope. You make him your best offer and if he doesn’t accept it....then you tag and trade him. It’s a shitty option but it’s a possibility. It also opens up the ability to get more young talent on this team.

Probably about the same thing we gave for Clark. I’d like to get better since jones is better than clark

Take all the emotion out of this guys. It’s not smart to tie up that much into a few guys. One of them gets hurt your ****ed.

At least a mid first and a third round pick. Maybe the Dolphins.

The fact is he was hurt half the year and average the rest of it. Struggled in the SB and is one of the highest-paid players on the team.

No way he is worth 15 million for 2020.

this what is really best for the teams long term interests. This is just the new reality for the Chiefs.

We are going to have to let great players go elsewhere. It’s really a good problem to have since it’s not because of Veach’s mistakes but our past and perceived future success.

:facepalm:

If you cut Fisher you gotta find someone to replace him and those guys are usually taken in the first round

What part do you disagree with? Do you think Fisher is worth 15 million when he only played half the year, plus struggled when he came back?

Why is talking about Fisher off-limits?

I’m not against trading Jones, I’m against trading him for less than he’s worth.

If you can’t get a 1st and some change, needs to be at least two 2nds and then some.

If Watkins won’t take a pay cut.....then you try and trade him.
Then you cut LDT, Reiter and Erving. LDT is overpaid and not as good as he once was. Reiter is trash and Erving isn’t an NFL level player. Colquitt needs to retire.

Those moves give you almost $39 million.

Bring back Wiz at LG, draft a center and put Rankin at RG. We have Allegretti and Wylie is a ERFA. We also have Jackson Barton that we signed from the Colts PS.