Who do you consider the better coach?
 

Marty and Andy tied at 200 wins all-time. 6th position in NFL history.

Let's have a spirited, thoughtful and honest conversation about who Chiefs fan would consider the better coach.


1 Don Shula 328
2 George Halas 318
3 Bill Belichick 267
4 Tom Landry 250
5 Curly Lambeau 226
6 Marty Schottenheimer/Andy Reid 200
8 Chuck Noll 193
9 Dan Reeves 190
10 Chuck Knox 186

Andy has been to a SB

No contest.

Todd Haley

Marty couldn't build an offense to save his life.

Andy couldn't build a defense to save his live.

Dead even!

It's hard to choose, but I went with Reid simply because of his Superbowl appearance.

But did Marty get more out of a shittier roster/players?

Did Andy piss away those loaded Eagles teams?

Marty the better motivator

Andy the better coach

Marty benched Rich Gannon, who had the Chiefs on a roll, right before the playoffs for Elvis ****ing Grbac. Case closed.

Lets analyze this. This is a legit question.

*When it comes to creativity with respect to offensive play design, scheming and play calling, matchups; Andy Reid no doubt about it. Reid is an offensive mastermind. Reid would be exactly what Marty could of used back in the day as an OC.

Problem is, Reid’s team are soft, lack discipline, good fundamentals, techniques, attitude and just sound foundational football in general that is necessary for winning a championship.

With that being said, when it comes to mental, physical toughness, fundamentals, techniques, overall team discipline, all those variables that are necessary for good foundational football....give me Marty any ****ing day of the week. Marty could compliment Reid in that aspect of team football. Plus, when it comes to defense, its Marty. Not. Even. Close. Marty could compliment Reid in that aspect of team football.

I think Marty’s team were in better position to succeed overall because of better team discipline, his teams won the field position battle lots of times (despite bad offense but good special teams and defense set up the offense to succeed) and of course, there is the turnover ratio which Marty’s excelled at most years in KC.

Special teams Im going to give the edge to Marty. His special teams didn’t have as many hiccups as Reid.

Hmmm, Its a tough question to answer. Marty’s team were representative of the key variable necessary to win a championship in defense which Reid doesn’t have obviously. It can be argued that Marty didn’t have the QB (Montana is an exception but he was here only 2 years and was in the twilight of his career), for the most part he didn’t have that other key variable in winning a championship which Reid has in a QB. Plus, Marty didn’t have luck either.


Both address each others weaknesses that if they were coaching together, they could probably compliment each other lol...Which outweighs which? Offense and a QB > defense? Or the defense > than offense and QB? I know its an offensive league today but you still need a defense to win. I don’t give a **** you don’t win w/o a defense.

Im going to say defense because statistics prove that with a great turnover ratio in your teams favor, your teams chances of winning increase. Defense puts your offense in a better position to score if they could win the field position battle for you and they could also score as well.

Even though Marty didn’t have a bright offensive mind, at least, his teams did protect the football well and made few mistakes. And they also ran the ball well and had very very sound blocking units as well on both offense and special teams.

If I had to chose which coach I’d rather have, give me Marty. Im going with the minority on this one. Because he represents all the other variables that are necessary for overall team success whereas Reid lacks a lot of those variables big time and is to depend on Mahomes to succeed. Overall, Marty’s teams were more complete. He addresses exactly what you need if you’re starting to building a team from scratch and the proper way on how teams should be built if only he had the QB, OC and some luck he’d probably be the greatest coach in history.

I went with Andy because of his offensive concepts. Drawing up plays for offense, Andy would run circles around Marty.

Marty did the same with defense.

Andy's talents aren't limited to 2 things;

Developing Quarterbacks
Designing Passing games

That's about where it stops.

Reid is the more dynamic football mind, IMO

Probably both about the same. Just complete opposites.

They both have had their share of ‘head scratcher’ losses every year.

Marty's teams were more motivated and tougher.

His teams were tougher and more disciplined
He's defenses were far superior in every way
He's special teams were just as good (mike stock?)
He's offensive lines were just as good, probably better(Solari)
His running games were just as good

The only 2 things Marty couldn't do:

Quarterbacks
Passing game

The 2 things that Andy Reid is great at.

Marty could get his guys to play over their heads. This, and his philosophy on offense, worked until the playoffs. Andy is on 10 more levels when it comes to offense.

Pretty much.

Gaz’s Mom had a good run game.
Have you ever seen someone running from Gaz’s Mom?

Andy because he has had more postseason success than Marty and because he is more innovative.

Until Andy got Mahomes neither had the QB needed to be Super Bowl champions. Put Elway or Marino with Marty, he wins multiple Super Bowls. Give Andy Reid a legit franchise QB he wins multiple Super Bowls.

With Andy’s teams, I always feel that even with all of Andy’s shortcomings my head says we go into the playoffs with a chance to win. With Marty it was always that even with all the great attributes he had as a coach, my heart would tell me we would find a way to come up short. My heart wants to pick Marty but my head says Andy...

The quarterbacks thing is kind of a myth.

Phillip Rivers, Joe Montana, Drew Brees and Bernie Kosar say hi!

That was more on Carl than Marty.

Let's see, do I want the offensive coach who hates Super Bowls, or the defensive coach who hates Super Bowls?

Oh hey Gaz's mom!

FIN.

Marty's teams being disciplined is a myth. The Chiefs were routinely among the most penalized teams in football under his tenure here.

This. Both got the Chiefs to an AFCCG, and both lost.

The difference is, Marty was able to get teams with less talent to overachieve. Andy seems to have some of the most talented rosters that underachieve.

Someone is going to challenge you on this. Marty definitely got lesser offenses to overachieve, but he always had a good if not stacked defense.

Frankly, I voted for Gaz's mom because both of those coaches are the rectalAIDS of the post season.

Andy turned a murder-suicide Chiefs to a team that just made me want to commit suicide in the playoff loss to the Colts. That was a real upgrade with minimal talent uplift.

They both forget about the run.

There are certain records that are really underappreciated until you see them in black and white.

Look at Shula's wins, just incredible. You take the past 20 years of the Patriots and Bill Belichick's success and he still is 55 wins away

He didn't develop any of those other than Bernie.

That is a very good point and another indicator as to who is the better coach.

If Marty had hired Andy as his OC, he would have been the better coach.

Actually he did. Rivers and Brees he absolutely had a hand in developing

In today's NFL where an elite QB is a must, Andy. In the days where defense was king, Marty. Neither put it all together ----yet.

BOOM!!!! :thumb::thumb::thumb:

They both did amazing turnaround jobs with the Chiefs. Even now I think people almost forget just how low this organization was when Reid took over. It was a complete disaster on and off the field.

As a whole though they're probably going to both be lumped in together unless Andy wins a Super Bowl. Marty suffered some of the most worst losses ever though. The Drive and the Fumble both happened to Marty. That's pretty brutal, in the history of football those two one-word events happened to the same coach. Marty should have gotten to a Super Bowl.

And that doesn't even include 2006. The Chargers had the Patriots down. Who knows what happens if Marlon McCree doesn't fumble away a Brady INT with like 5-6 minutes left. Chargers still had a chance to put the game away after that though and failed.

Yes.

And yes.

Give me Reid running the offense, Marty running the defense, (and Vermeil running the special teams). That might just be the most dominant team ever. But I don't know about which of them are the best. Like it was said above they are polar opposites, yet successful to the same extent. Neither of them has been able to win a ring. But I give the edge to Reid because of his much better playoff record.

HANK STRAM

I need ubeja to tell me who was faster before I can make an educated vote.

Marty had a ton of talent with all this Chief playoff teams in the 90s and Reid took a team with a backup QB Jeff Garcia all the way to the NFCCG. I think they are pretty even in that department.

I have to give the edge to Reid due to his better playoff record.

Marty - 5-13
Reid - 11-12

Other than that I think they are pretty even. Both great HC coaches though.

ROFL
LMAO

I will always remember the video of Marty walking the sideline, telling every player in the San Diego secondary that when they make the game winning interception, to just go down. He literally told them all.

It's not his fault that the DB didn't listen, got stripped, and they lost to the Pats.

He didn't make Biner fumble at the goal line. He didn't make the radio go out against Denver and he didn't make that ridiculous offensive pass interference call against TG in the same game. And he didn't make Lin Elliott miss three FGs.

I know Reid has been to a SB, but I pick Marty. Reid cannot manage the clock or pick good defensive coaches. Marty helped bring Montana and Marcus Allen in, and that was a good offense. Marty actually had some decent offenses. Nothing like DV or Reid, but we had a great running game almost every year, and had games where we scored a lot of points. Unfortunately, he just always fell short in the playoffs.

Yeah, I take Marty.

Edit: Also, Reid has 2 of the only 4 playoff losses after leading by at least 18 points in the second half. Both of those are as the Chiefs head coach.

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