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Iconic 04-02-2019 09:12 AM

PFF just released their top 50 big board
 
Board in the spoilers tab
Spoiler!


Takeaways:
Two corners in the top 10, 6 in the top 40, 7 total
DT Tillery is ranked #7, many mocks see him still there at pick 29
WR Arcega-Whiteside ranked 5 spots behind Metcalf and 3 behind AJ Brown at #23
WR Hakeem 'the best WR in the class' Butler ranked #42
OT Jonah Williams ahead of Jawaan, ranked #4
S Savage is ranked right behind Adderley at #28
DE Winovich is ranked #29, prepare for the great white
PFF is kind of reeruned

TambaBerry 04-02-2019 09:15 AM

33. CB DAVID LONG, MICHIGAN
Long allowed all of 18 catches on 595 coverage snaps in his entire college career at Michigan

Rain Man 04-02-2019 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TambaBerry (Post 14190906)
33. CB DAVID LONG, MICHIGAN
Long allowed all of 18 catches on 595 coverage snaps in his entire college career at Michigan

That seems pretty good.

Skyy God 04-02-2019 09:17 AM

Relatedly, Rotoworld just released our draft needs. Mock selections in the link.

Quote:

TEAM NEEDS

Defense: Especially with Steve Spagnuolo changing schemes from Bob Sutton, every position on Kansas City’s defense could use upgrades. The Chiefs lost top pass rusher Dee Ford (49ers), top CB Steven Nelson (Steelers), nine-sack edge rusher Justin Houston and SS Eric Berry this offseason. Since Spagnuolo’s defenses have succeeded only with stacked decks of exterior and interior disruptors, pass rush should be an obvious emphasis in Kansas City’s draft. Spagnuolo’s best defenses also emphasized speed and smarts over size at off-ball linebacker. Adding Ogbah is likely just the start.

Pass Catcher: Kansas City’s parade of third receivers contributed next to nothing in last year’s passing game. GM Brett Veach’s in-season Kelvin Benjamin pickup predictably flopped. Tyreek’s off-field concerns obviously heighten wideout on the Chiefs’ list of needs.

Offensive Line: The Chiefs’ in-house favorite to replace Morse at center is Reiter, who filled in capably as a four-game spot starter and earned a late-season extension. Reiter could use competition, and LG Erving was a disaster all year.
https://www.rotoworld.com/article/dr...t-needs-chiefs

BryanBusby 04-02-2019 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TambaBerry (Post 14190906)
33. CB DAVID LONG, MICHIGAN
Long allowed all of 18 catches on 595 coverage snaps in his entire college career at Michigan

Would be a great selection if we needed a slot corner

TambaBerry 04-02-2019 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 14190918)
Would be a great selection if we needed a slot corner

plenty big enough to play anywhere

BryanBusby 04-02-2019 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TambaBerry (Post 14190925)
plenty big enough to play anywhere

Ehhhhhh

Skyy God 04-02-2019 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 14190918)
Would be a great selection if we needed a slot corner

Or were letting Fuller walk.

ct 04-02-2019 09:34 AM

montez sweat @46? that is just a shade variant from the norm rankings everywhere else

Iconic 04-02-2019 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 14190932)
Ehhhhhh

Measured in at 5'11. Same vertical, height, and arm length as Murphy.

I'm high on Long, I'd be okay with taking him in the 2nd, but no way in hell would I burn a first for him.

DJ's left nut 04-02-2019 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ct (Post 14190952)
montez sweat @46? that is just a shade variant from the norm rankings everywhere else

PFF is pretty heavy on production over potential. That's why they have someone like Rashan Gary listed so much lower than the draft guys will (correctly, in Gary's case, IMO).

I have their draft guide and honestly it's just too damn in depth to draw much from; it's like 500 pages and ain't nobody got time for that. I'd say their draft coverage is the same as everything they do - I guess it's an okay tool but if anyone's looking to them as a dispositive source, they're doing it wrong.

staylor26 04-02-2019 09:56 AM

Tillery at 29 please

Rain Man 04-02-2019 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14190993)
Tillery at 29 please

Doesn't he have character flags? I think there's zero chance of the Chiefs taking a guy with issues.

staylor26 04-02-2019 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 14191003)
Doesn't he have character flags? I think there's zero chance of the Chiefs taking a guy with issues.

No not that I’m aware of, I think you’re confusing him with somebody else like Simmons.

RunKC 04-02-2019 10:05 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">All 32 first-round picks.<br><br>For more information on every pick and the video stream, see link above. <a href="https://t.co/nBoltveGff">pic.twitter.com/nBoltveGff</a></p>&mdash; Pro Football Focus (@PFF) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF/status/1113100577498714113?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 2, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Yuck

ToxSocks 04-02-2019 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cave Johnson (Post 14190943)
Or were letting Fuller walk.

OR you can never have too much depth.

The Franchise 04-02-2019 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14190993)
Tillery at 29 please

Tillery or Adderley....and honestly at this point.....trade up if that's the guy you want to get.

ToxSocks 04-02-2019 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14191013)
Tillery or Adderley or a Devin....and honestly at this point.....trade up if that's the guy you want to get.

FYP

ToxSocks 04-02-2019 10:08 AM

As long as they don't reach or pick something like a C in the 1st, it'll be hard for Chiefs fans to complain about anything they pick.

The Franchise 04-02-2019 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 14191016)
FYP

I'm fine with that as well. There are legitimately 3-4 guys that I would love to come out of the 1st round with. They're all kind of tied at this point.

Jerry Tillery
Nassir Adderley
Byron Murphy
Devin Bush

Trade up if you have to get the one you want. They'd all be instant starters and help out the group around them.

O.city 04-02-2019 10:09 AM

I wouldn't be upset with a C in the first.

Titty Meat 04-02-2019 10:10 AM

PFF is trash

The Franchise 04-02-2019 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14191022)
I wouldn't be upset with a C in the first.

I think the only way that I could talk my way into being happy with that....is if the four guys I wanted were gone and they were still at #29.

TambaBerry 04-02-2019 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14191009)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">All 32 first-round picks.<br><br>For more information on every pick and the video stream, see link above. <a href="https://t.co/nBoltveGff">pic.twitter.com/nBoltveGff</a></p>&mdash; Pro Football Focus (@PFF) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF/status/1113100577498714113?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 2, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Yuck

am i missing Clelin Ferrell? Did he drop out of the 1st in their mock

staylor26 04-02-2019 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14191021)
I'm fine with that as well. There are legitimately 3-4 guys that I would love to come out of the 1st round with. They're all kind of tied at this point.

Jerry Tillery
Nassir Adderley
Byron Murphy
Devin Bush

Trade up if you have to get the one you want. They'd all be instant starters and help out the group around them.

We’re 100% on the same page here.

I hope Bush or Murphy falls, but I don’t expect it at all.

I think realistically we will be deciding from Tillery, Adderley, and Bradbury. Obviously I’d prefer not to go C, but I wouldn’t hate it.

O.city 04-02-2019 10:33 AM

Devin White in Denver would suck.

O.city 04-02-2019 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14191040)
We’re 100% on the same page here.

I hope Bush or Murphy falls, but I don’t expect it at all.

I think realistically we will be deciding from Tillery, Adderley, and Bradbury. Obviously I’d prefer not to go C, but I wouldn’t hate it.

I just want someone that can step in and contribute right away.

htismaqe 04-02-2019 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14191052)
Devin White in Denver would suck.

Denver is pretty freaking high on Josey Jewell. I don't know if that means they'd pass on White but who knows...

O.city 04-02-2019 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 14191060)
Denver is pretty freaking high on Josey Jewell. I don't know if that means they'd pass on White but who knows...

If Jewell makes them pass over White, they've got bigger problems.

BryanBusby 04-02-2019 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cave Johnson (Post 14190943)
Or were letting Fuller walk.

Fuller probably isn't walking.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iconic (Post 14190957)
Measured in at 5'11. Same vertical, height, and arm length as Murphy.

I'm high on Long, I'd be okay with taking him in the 2nd, but no way in hell would I burn a first for him.

I'm really not high on Murphy either.

staylor26 04-02-2019 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14191054)
I just want someone that can step in and contribute right away.

Exactly. That’s why I’m leaning towards Tillery because he can have an immediate impact in an area that we need it desperately.

If you have Tillery and Jones you can get away with Speaks/Okafor/Ogbah/rookie on the edges.

O.city 04-02-2019 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14191076)
Exactly. That’s why I’m leaning towards Tillery because he can have an immediate impact in an area that we need it desperately.

If you have Tillery and Jones you can get away with Speaks/Okafor/Ogbah/rookie on the edges.

<iframe src="https://giphy.com/embed/WJjLyXCVvro2I" width="480" height="423" frameBorder="0" class="giphy-embed" allowFullScreen></iframe><p><a href="https://giphy.com/gifs/WJjLyXCVvro2I">via GIPHY</a></p>

For now, that would work.

I'd still like to have better Edge players but Rome wasn't built in a day.

The Franchise 04-02-2019 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14191076)
Exactly. That’s why I’m leaning towards Tillery because he can have an immediate impact in an area that we need it desperately.

If you have Tillery and Jones you can get away with Speaks/Okafor/Ogbah/rookie on the edges.

So much ****ing defensive line depth. Tillery and Jones on the inside when in passing situations would be ****ing epic.

RunKC 04-02-2019 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14190993)
Tillery at 29 please

Pest will have to confirm this, but I heard that Tillery was injured midway through the season. Only had 1 sack the rest of the season after that injury.

Dude is so underrated. Would have had double-digit sacks had he not gotten hurt

Iconic 04-02-2019 11:04 AM

Add in Polite in the 2nd and OH MY GOD.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jachai Polite bad pro day? Who cares <a href="https://twitter.com/GatorsFB?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@GatorsFB</a> <a href="https://t.co/SxCMHch91A">pic.twitter.com/SxCMHch91A</a></p>&mdash; Cris Collinsworth (@CollinsworthPFF) <a href="https://twitter.com/CollinsworthPFF/status/1112816178467168258?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 1, 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

wasi 04-02-2019 11:09 AM

7 (216). Acquired from 49ers in Rod Streater trade

I found this pretty funny :toast:

T-post Tom 04-02-2019 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14190993)
Tillery at 29 please


Tillery is a projection-based prospect with first-class traits and dominant potential, but he's still searching for more consistency from game to game. While his frame is suited for a role as an end in a classic 3-4 scheme, he has plenty of tape showing he shouldn't be scheme dependent on the next level. Scouts would like to see more dominant tape considering his size and power, but if he takes coaching and learns to unleash his hands, he could become an unruly interior force and good three-down starter.

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/jerry-...7-604f05433c81

T-post Tom 04-02-2019 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iconic (Post 14191111)
Add in Polite in the 2nd and OH MY GOD.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jachai Polite bad pro day? Who cares <a href="https://twitter.com/GatorsFB?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@GatorsFB</a> <a href="https://t.co/SxCMHch91A">pic.twitter.com/SxCMHch91A</a></p>&mdash; Cris Collinsworth (@CollinsworthPFF) <a href="https://twitter.com/CollinsworthPFF/status/1112816178467168258?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 1, 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Gator alum pimping a Gator player???

https://media1.giphy.com/media/l0HlR...QW4M/giphy.gif

Rain Man 04-02-2019 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14191006)
No not that I’m aware of, I think you’re confusing him with somebody else like Simmons.

Oh. I thought I'd read something. If he's fine, then he'd be a nice addition to the defense.

T-post Tom 04-02-2019 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14191022)
I wouldn't be upset with a C in the first.




https://media1.giphy.com/media/C00zfjPv1kiEU/giphy.gif

staylor26 04-02-2019 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14191084)
<iframe src="https://giphy.com/embed/WJjLyXCVvro2I" width="480" height="423" frameBorder="0" class="giphy-embed" allowFullScreen></iframe><p><a href="https://giphy.com/gifs/WJjLyXCVvro2I">via GIPHY</a></p>

For now, that would work.

I'd still like to have better Edge players but Rome wasn't built in a day.

Like Andy said, interior pressure is the best way to get it done in today’s NFL.

staylor26 04-02-2019 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14191097)
So much ****ing defensive line depth. Tillery and Jones on the inside when in passing situations would be ****ing epic.

Jones, Tillery, and Nnadi would be as good as it gets in the interior.

Pitt Gorilla 04-02-2019 11:48 AM

Man, looking at that list confirms my hope that we DO NOT trade up. There is so much talent in this draft that I'd hate to give up a pick when there will be excellent talent available at our spot.

threebag 04-02-2019 04:26 PM

It’s going to be awesome watching Derw Lock go to the Donks

JakeF 04-02-2019 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cave Johnson (Post 14190911)
Relatedly, Rotoworld just released our draft needs. Mock selections in the link.

TEAM NEEDS

Defense: Especially with Steve Spagnuolo changing schemes from Bob Sutton, every position on Kansas City’s defense could use upgrades. The Chiefs lost top pass rusher Dee Ford (49ers), top CB Steven Nelson (Steelers), nine-sack edge rusher Justin Houston and SS Eric Berry this offseason. Since Spagnuolo’s defenses have succeeded only with stacked decks of exterior and interior disruptors, pass rush should be an obvious emphasis in Kansas City’s draft. Spagnuolo’s best defenses also emphasized speed and smarts over size at off-ball linebacker. Adding Ogbah is likely just the start.

Pass Catcher: Kansas City’s parade of third receivers contributed next to nothing in last year’s passing game. GM Brett Veach’s in-season Kelvin Benjamin pickup predictably flopped. Tyreek’s off-field concerns obviously heighten wideout on the Chiefs’ list of needs.

Offensive Line: The Chiefs’ in-house favorite to replace Morse at center is Reiter, who filled in capably as a four-game spot starter and earned a late-season extension. Reiter could use competition, and LG Erving was a disaster all year.

https://www.rotoworld.com/article/dr...t-needs-chiefs

Going by this, it's going to take 2 or 3 years to convert over to what Spags wants. Our linebackers don't fit at all. Who knows, Nnadi and Williams might not fit either. That will suck because Nnadi is our 2nd best Defensive lineman.

We are supposed to be in our Super Bowl window. :(

RustShack 04-02-2019 05:03 PM

Let’s go get Hakeem Butler.

RustShack 04-02-2019 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 14191685)
Going by this, it's going to take 2 or 3 years to convert over to what Spags wants. Our linebackers don't fit at all. Who knows, Nnadi and Williams might not fit either. That will suck because I Nnadi is our 2nd best Defensive lineman.

We are supposed to be in our Super Bowl window. :(

Huh? Hitchens, O’Daniel, and Wilson are 4-3 LB’s. We’ve acquired two DE’s this off season, and drafted one high last year. Jones and Nnadi are BETTER fits for 4-3 defense. Our defense hasn’t been good since we lost Poe, because you have to have 3-4 NT to run a good 3-4 defense.

If anything, we are better equipped for a 4-3 defense than we are a 3-4.

Kyle DeLexus 04-02-2019 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 14191685)
Going by this, it's going to take 2 or 3 years to convert over to what Spags wants. Our linebackers don't fit at all. Who knows, Nnadi and Williams might not fit either. That will suck because Nnadi is our 2nd best Defensive lineman.

We are supposed to be in our Super Bowl window. :(

We had one of the worst defenses in the league last year. Making changes can only help. As long as Mahomes is the QB and he has weapons to throw get the ball to, we are in a Superbowl window.

wheeler08 04-02-2019 06:01 PM

This just seems like the deepest draft that I can remember.

staylor26 04-02-2019 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 14191685)
Going by this, it's going to take 2 or 3 years to convert over to what Spags wants. Our linebackers don't fit at all. Who knows, Nnadi and Williams might not fit either. That will suck because Nnadi is our 2nd best Defensive lineman.

We are supposed to be in our Super Bowl window. :(

:facepalm:

This isn’t the only reason I’m giving this post a facepalm, but Nnadi is definitely a fit you ****ing moron.

suzzer99 04-02-2019 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cave Johnson (Post 14190911)
Relatedly, Rotoworld just released our draft needs. Mock selections in the link.



https://www.rotoworld.com/article/dr...t-needs-chiefs

Why does everyone think Robinson contributed next to nothing? Conley - yes. But Robinson showed a lot of promise and came on strong at the end of the season imo.

big nasty kcnut 04-02-2019 07:28 PM

I'll take greedy williams

WarChief 04-02-2019 07:33 PM

Savage or Rapp if we don't trade up for a pass rusher.

TribalElder 04-02-2019 07:47 PM

Drafting kylr murray will be the cause for kingsburys career in the nfl ending after only a few seasons

Rain Man 04-02-2019 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 14191689)
Let’s go get Hakeem Butler.

I'd worry about getting him mixed up with Harrison Butker.

JakeF 04-02-2019 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 14191698)
Huh? Hitchens, O’Daniel, and Wilson are 4-3 LB’s. We’ve acquired two DE’s this off season, and drafted one high last year. Jones and Nnadi are BETTER fits for 4-3 defense. Our defense hasn’t been good since we lost Poe, because you have to have 3-4 NT to run a good 3-4 defense.

If anything, we are better equipped for a 4-3 defense than we are a 3-4.

It says he likes fast, smaller guys.

Hitchens,Niemann, and Ragland don't fit that, only DoD does. We have several power Defensive linemen too.

Just going by what the article said.


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