Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
 

Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me.

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel

REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday.
By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT

Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.”

The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.”

More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo:

Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.”

This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg.

Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week.

Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos.

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Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann:

A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition.

The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well.

The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself.

Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function.

These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is.

Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side.

Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some.

For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period.

If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level.

Paging Earl Thomas...

He's not ever going to be the same, even if he plays. :(

Give him some horse crank and get him out on the field!

I tend to agree. Sounds like he could have surgery on it, but I'm sure it'd be season-ending, and it's not even a guarantee that it'd be dramatically better.

The big issue here is that this isn't an injury - it's a deformity. That means his options are to 1) learn to live with it, 2) try to fix it with no guarantee of improvement, or 3) retire.

Right. Which means if he plays, he's going to be in pain. He's never going to be 100% again.

This isn't his first season dealing with this. It's like his 3rd or 4th. Lets not get too over the top about it.

Pugs is claiming he read that it's a 3-6 week recovery after surgery.

Time to tap out Berry.

It needed a different thread.

I still have to wonder whether he was having symtoms during OTAs or not. Did Berry not tell them or did they not examine it thoroughly enough? It certainly would have been nice if he would have had surgery right after the initial prognosis.

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What the Heel? ET phone Arrowhead...ET Phone Arrowhead....

You'd think they could cut it open and file it down or something, stitch it back up, wrap real good and rub some dirt on it. Good as new.

**** off. Megathreads blow.

The impression I get from reading is that it is something that can get progressively worse, but I'm certainly no expert on the topic.

The AP article is tagged at the end to say they're trying to get a medical expert to weigh in on it, so hopefully we'll have better info later today.

How does a guy like this get that extension?

He had similar heel pain last year prior to the Achilles, right? I’m guessing this has been there awhile.

Tell me this isn't happening..Heel NO!

I had Osgood Schlatter's Disease in high school. It's bone growth on the shin bone up by the knee. It aggravates the patella tendon as well. Sounds similar to what Berry has.

They cut me open and shaved down the bone. I was out 4 weeks before playing again. I imagine that an athlete like Berry, with a superior medical staff, can shorten the recovery time by a few weeks.

Eh, I was expecting the team to run him out there for a couple games before sitting him down for the year. Never heard of this.. bummer

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5349338/


However the recovery period to obtain a maximum benefit following surgery is longer (6 months). The awareness for longer recovery period should be explained to the patients undergoing calcaneal ostectomy for Haglund deformity.

Clark Hunt had to fly to KC to get it done because Dorsey pissed Berry off about the medical stuff. I guess Dorsey wanted some kind of medical insurance or something. I think part of the reason why Dorsey is gone is that he didn't want to give Berry and Houston the big contracts they were demanding. Andy Reid wanted to keep them, along with Maclin and Jamaal Charles.

Reid won.

Id guess a lot about that surgery is how they have to go in to get at it. If up from bottom of foot I dont see how it would be a quick recovery.

I thought I read somewhere in that article a reporter had that same deformity while playing. The pain is always there you just have to deal with it. Different people have different pain thresholds.

LMAO Our team doctors can't diagnose shit. Do we expect him to just play in a constant state of pain the rest of his career? Get him to have the surgery and fix this shit. If that doesn't work, figure out a way to get him off the team.

That makes for an interesting story. Is it documented, or is this hearsay?

A Reggie Ragland deformity?

This.

I mentioned in a previous thread a pattern now of the Chiefs medical staff mismanaging the treatment/recovery of injuries to high profile players.

Justin Houston's knee injury... essentially hasn't been the same player since.

Jamaal Charles' second knee injury... essentially ended his career.

And now not previously diagnosing this chronic issue with Eric Berry's heel.

Easier said than done...

https://image.ibb.co/byPHpK/eb.jpg

Well..........****.

The Chiefs did not botch Justin Houston’s situation.

DR JAMES ANDREWS DID

How many times does this need to be said before people comprehend it?

If it’s not from a football injury, they need to put him on the NFI list, then.

I understand doing right by Eric, but cmon. We paid him full pay when he had cancer (rightfully so) but this is getting out of hand.

We could have signed Honey Badger for 7m that already has an int and a fumble recover in 3 games....or traded for Earl Thomas and gave him a new deal.

The safeties suck because Eric Berry treat the Chiefs like a BUSINESS and the Chiefs treat Eric Berry like a FAMILY MEMBER.

That part is documented truth.

NFI list.

Think they could just inject a shot before the game and be good. They said it couldn’t tear his Achilles.

Sometimes it pays to be a cold bastard like Belichick.

I disagree, he played with this sore heel and erased Gronk against the Patriots.

The Chiefs have a decision to make, though. If he stays out, at some point they need to cut their losses on the season and opt for him to have surgery.

LINK?

"NFI"? Not sure what you mean.

Non Football Injury.

I'm guessing Berry's camp could make the case that it's football-related if they really wanted to...

The non football injury list.

How did he botch the situation?

Not if it’s a defect.

Charge your phone. LOL

Well, that's precisely the part that would be debatable.

I think he is.

Ah, thank you!

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/322432.php

Haglund's Deformity Surgery

Surgery may be needed when non-surgical treatments do not relieve symptoms. Surgery aims to remove the part of the heel bone that is sticking out. Surgery may also be used to repair the Achilles tendon if it is damaged.

Podiatrists and foot and ankle surgeons can perform different types of surgery to correct Haglund's deformity. The type of procedure depends on how severe the Haglund's deformity is, the person's health history, and their lifestyle.

Endoscopic surgery is less invasive than traditional surgery. Because it uses smaller incisions than traditional surgery, the recovery is often shorter. According to 2018 research, it results in good to excellent outcomes in the short and medium-term.

Conventional surgery, however, also appears to have successful outcomes. One study found that the majority of those who had traditional surgery had relief of their pain at their one-year follow-up. But, the authors noted that doctors should tell people that the recovery from surgery can be several months.

I wonder who leaked this info?

So once again Reid and the Chiefs lied about a players injury. That's not a "day to day" injury

Why can't you operate on the bone spur? Can't you do it in the offseason? If it's a pain management thing - might want to keep him out until Week 10. If we beat the Broncos - we've got the playoffs locked down.

Diane Feinstein.

ROFL

No way in hell should this guy get $16.5 million next season. I don’t care if he comes back this year and plays wel.

Restructure the contract or cut your losses.

:D

If I know anything about contracts, restructuring just makes it harder to cut the guy down the road.

I don't think it makes any financial sense to dump this contract until 2020.

Reid and the chiefs are limited in what they can say due to HIPPA. Its Berry's right to chose what can be disclosed about his health. Things have changed since the days of the coach saying to put a bandage on it.

I think the leaking of this info is a way to get it out there to put a band aid on it.

This. And make him pay for the medical bill.

Give him a shot & get him out there.

My wife had this exact condition in high school. She was in a boot for 2 weeks and walking and running normally in a month after surgery. She doesn’t play in the NFL however. If they knew this a month or more ago surgery may been the best bet at the time.

He needs surgery. Do it!

Cut him open and get it fixed and he could be back for the Rams game. It should have been diagnosed two months ago. Somebody on the medical staffs sucks.

What a waste of money Berry is. Hasn't played in over a year and practiced like what, 10 times at camp. Killing our cap along the way.

Well sure but that decision falls on Berry.

Meh. If he declines the surgery put him on the NFI list and be done with it.

I am sure Andy and the med staff are sick and tired of this. Its also why I suspect it was leaked.

Berry should retire, take an injury settlement and get his bone spur fixed....unretire in 2020 and resign with the Chiefs.

He needs to give KC some cap relief if he isn't going to play.

Signing a player that went through Chemo with a preexisting "heel condition"... to a record contract is ridiculous. Did Chunt think it was just going to go away...or the invasive treatment wouldn't exacerbate the issue?

Dorsey didn't want to sign him without protections...so Berry quit talking to him and caused a LR issue.

Now we have a $78 million dollar door stop.

Reid's "day to day" is cover for CHunt and his contract blunder. 19 games and counting..

Makes sense but Berry is a locker room leader players look up to him. The Chiefs go nuclear on this could start problems. How Berry has handled this has lost me some respect for the guy. There may be more to the story but its obvious his contract obviously has a no disclosure to the team on release of injury info.

Anyway Sorenson cant get healthy soon enough.

Just give up the picks for Thomas. Sorenson doesn't really solve anything.

This has been handled about as poorly as any injury in the NFL I've ever seen since some guy named Justin Houston. :rolleyes:

Chief's are the best at this stuff...... NOT!

I actually have this. No joke.

It got to the point where I could barely wear shoes because of the bump that grew on my heel. So...

My podiatrist recommended surgery, and that's what we did. They actually severed the Achilles, removed the mass, and re-attached it. By surgically severing the achilles, the recovery time would be less.

I would guess he plays through the pain this year (when he's ready), do the surgery first day after the Super Bowl, and then he COULD conceivably be ready for next season.

Just my experience.

His leadership is useless. Our defense is ****ing terrible with him standing there on the sideline contributing nothing of substance.

His "leadership" has led to a bottom 3 ranked defense...

Shit, have him retire and make him a coach/ LR cheerleader while he rehabs.

google.com Find it yourself.

Wrong.

The HIPAA privacy rules only apply to “covered entities.” Under HIPAA, a covered entity is either a health plan, health care clearinghouse or a self-insured health care provider.

The NFL is not a “covered entity” in terms of HIPAA.

If he goes on NFI does that mean we could get his cap space back?