Bengals release S Iloka - KC Interest?
 

With the state of the KC defensive backfield, I wonder if they should be interested bringing him in. Former Bengals starter.

Read where Arrion Springs is now working with the safety’s group not the CB’s.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2...y-george-iloka


http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/15085/george-iloka

I’d give him a 2-year deal, MAYBE 3 and ensure a low cap hit for this season. But we’re also going to open up some space with roster cuts coming up. Guys like West are worth over a million in space.

I feel like this is all about Eric Murray. If you sign this guy, you’re basically replacing him.

We need to. Murray sucks.

Is that okay with you?

Get his ass in here and don't let him leave.

Just increases the depth by pushing everyone down a spot

He’s good and I’d do 2 years but it may be a 1 year deal at this point

Agreed. Been more negative than positive play that's for sure.

Does he kneel?

Does he punt balls into the stands?

Thanks in advance

I don’t think Murray sucks. He’s not great but he’s developing.

Can Sorensen be cut while injured (settlement)?

I disagree.

He clearly looks better and though he hasn’t made any splash plays, he hasn’t made any mistakes so far in the preseason. Hasn’t been out of position looking lost like he was last year. I think he turns out to be solid depth and a decent #3 S at worst.

I mean, we should just cut those guys now if it would get a deal done.

I guess we want to wait to ensure there's no major injuries in Game #3 first, but hell.

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According to PFF, Watts did have a great game Friday night. But I still wouldn’t settle on that, especially with Berry’s iffy heel.

Get him in here right ****ing now.

It was nice to see him flash that ability to take the ball away. With Peters gone, we could use a guy that can make those kind of plays.

The march to 4K posts begins now.

SING HIM CRAL

Let the young guys play. Especially Watts.

I like Springs as well.:hmmm:

If he's better than what we have then go for it. That's the life of a pro. You always may be gone. We need all we can get. These guys got torched by Weeden and Ryan. Rivers will kill us in week one.

I get this line of thinking somewhat but guys like Murray and McQuay are probably JAGs and Watts needs developing at this level. Berry’s heel is a major question mark and Sorensen is basically done for the year. We NEED depth badly.

If this offense is clicking on all cylinders come December for a playoff run to come, we’ll be thankful to have a guy like Iloka on the back end.

It depends on how long Sorensen is expected to be out. I hate to lose a roster spot because of the IR designated to return timeline, we need help now. On the other hand, I'm one of the few that think Sorensen is OK as a safety.

Sorensen is done this year I’d say, just don’t see how he comes back from those injuries. Plus he’ll need time to get back into shape too. I’d IR him.

Much as I'd love to shore up this position. I'm starting to think our best option is to rebuild. I don't think this is our year. I still think our defense is a 2-3 year project.

Let's see if any of our cheap guys can shine at safety. If none do, back to the drawing board next year.

well he is outspoken about biff from back to the future 2, so i would say he might be a kneeler

Ok gang. 1000 posts and he signs. Let's do this!!

He wasn't released because he's good.

He was released because he's NOT good.

A lot of people here think he sucks but don't even realize he led the team in tackles last year.

Put Sorensen on IR.

Offer Iloka a 3-year deal for Sorensen money or slightly above. Backload it so we can fit it under this year.

Cut Sorensen next year.

Profit.

Apparently Iloka has been outspoken about his opinion on kneeling and the president, and some believe it may have played a big role in his release because of the Brown family’s views.

Oh lol nvm. Chiefs aren't signing him.

I could have been okay with this, but then we just signed Scandrick.

No, a 1 year $1.5 million contract doesn't dictate strategy, but why throw money away like that if you're just going to come at the season in rebuild mode? At least Watkins and Hitchens signed multi-year contracts and will be here to take this team beyond the rebuild. Scandrick won't.

Yeah I guess he’s quite anti-Donald... so probably not.

Mike Maslowski lead this team in tackles one year too.

Yeah but he was a MLB.

Sorensen isn't great but he's better than most think. He was just placed into a role he wasn't ready for last year when Berry got injured. He went from being the #3 safety to being our #1. That's tough.
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There is no rebuild.

Some of our guys are at the end of their prime (Berry, Houston, Bailey, Schwartz, etc).

Now is the time to win.

I just wish Veach would find the way to actually trade for a good CB and then I'd feel good about the offense and the defense.

Forget rebuilding, ever, at this stage anyways...

We’ve got a top notch head coach and a potentially great QB developing... they need to, and will be, trying to win every year.

If that's the case he ain't coming here.

We've been trying to build a super bowl around those guys for years. If anything, restructuring Houston a year from now is even better reason to wait to load up. Mahomes, tyreek, Kareem, kelce, on the other hand, are young and should hopefully be here a while.

Now isn't the time to win. Our defense needs a few pieces, not one. Love mahomes but I don't expect him to have everything figured out right away. And I have no idea if our DC is the right guy to take us to the finish line.

Brown has never ever cared about winning. It wouldn't surprise me. I wouldn't doubt he was also too cheap and is using this as his excuse.

Bring him in for iloka?

That should not have taken 43 posts, people.

Plus the experience he gained while making some good strides along the way could be extremely beneficial to us once we get him back and Berry can stay healthy.

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Of course you do.

Interest in Iloko should be mandatory, along with any other UFA with a pulse. This D is begging for help at every level.

Out of interest, since you're probably the biggest homer here, which players on defense do you actually accept are trash?

OK then.

Biggest homer here?

Give me a break. I’m so ****ing sick of this narrative. I’ve picked the Raiders and Chargers the last two years to win the division. I’ve never once felt confident that this team would win it all. I just can’t stand overly pessimistic idiots like yourself and I like to call you out on your shit. Believe me, I have a much better grip on the reality of this team and the talent on an individual basis than you ever will.

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So that's 0?

Check out his feet first. No MRSA please.

Just IR him and be done with it.

Berry= Great
Houston= Great
Hitchens= Really good
Jones= Really good, could be great
Fuller= Really good, could be great
Ragland= Good 2 down SILB
Williams= Solid run stuffing NT
Nelson= He’s been solid for the most part despite the hate, but could end up being JAG that can’t stay healthy
Ford= Solid pass rusher, below average run defender
Bailey= Decent starter
Sorenson= JAG


Everybody else is either trash or a young guy that is still developing. Murray definitely falls in the latter.

I don’t make final judgements on young guys that are clearly still developing because I’m not an impatient ****ing moron.

I've had enough frankly. I think Sutton retires after this year. Change is coming. Speaks should take Bailey's place now, sign this guy, cut Sorenson, convert Springs to safety and upgrade all the CB depth with other team practice squad players. We keep Smith of course and I'm not even sure we should keep Watts. It's just a big mess.

Nelson isn't good. He's a penalty waiting to happen Everytime they throw the ball in his direction
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You tend to buy in very quickly if any positive reviews come out on young guys. I think that with how many jags we've ended up having on defense despite early reports on them all, has helped lead to that image fair or not.

We've had so many recently. The eligwes, Gaines, nicholas' of the Chiefs world. More where they came from. I don't remember for sure which ones you have supported but you can get defensive at times, and again fair or not, has lead to the image of you defending guys like that before they deserve it.

Would have rather made this deal than to waste money of ****ing Scandricks

There's a whole lot of LMAO in this post.

Jesus man...take the ****ing homer glasses off.

You’re right, I started to get overly optimistic because we had been having a lot of success in the draft, and we continued to draft guys I hype up on CP pre-draft. It’s not just blind homerism when you liked them before they were even Chiefs though. I definitely had too much confidence in “my” guys. Gaines was my absolute worst.

The problem is, you guys only remember my misses. I pounded the table for guys like Kelce, Hunt, Jones, Peters, and Mahomes before we drafted them and also argued with posters defensively about them.

Then there are unknown guys like Hill and Eligwe that I got excited about after we drafted them and I did my homework.

I’ve learned my lesson though. I’m not always right, just like everybody else, and I’ve toned it down a lot.

Iloka is mediocre safety and the Bengals probably cut him loose because they took Bates in the draft and feel he's ready.

Iloka would be the starter in KC, but I'm not sure if they'll spend what it takes to land him.

First, I didn’t say “good”.

Second, that is absolutely baseless. Nelson has not been called for a ridiculous amount of penalties whatsoever. Show me the stats to back that up.

Nobody is signing him if that is the case.

Pretty sure the first big Falcons play to Hooper was a blown assignment by Murray

Nelson just isn’t good enough. He’s physically tapped out.

I just watched again and I have no idea where you got that from. He was the deep safety on the play. He made the tackle, but I don’t think it was a blown assignment by him.

Nelson is the least of our worries right now

Does he tackle?:rolleyes:

He’s a big dude for a safety.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/...oka?id=2532869

With him being 28 it would probably be smart to keep the contract in under 3 years because whenever his play starts to decline he might have to carve out a roll of being a nickel/sub package ILB. Intriguing for sure if there’s nothing more to it than cap savings and Bates being ready to start

Ok, Do teams recover cap space when a player is on IR?

Looking for cash to spend on cut day to improve the CB/S/OL.

I don't THINK so. I want to say when Berry was out fighting cancer a few years ago that we got cap relief, but that doesn't sound right.

The cash is going to have to come from cuts.

A lot of players regressed under Guenther. I'm glad he's the Raiders' problem now. He sucks. I don't think he was that bad under Zimmer.

I wonder if some of his release has something to do with him being a head hunter. If so, if anyone else is in jeopardy. Clearly the NFL is going to over-enforce this rule.

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...St01/penalties


I'm surprised I'm the only one who notices. Even when he has a good play, it's almost always a play that he could have easily got a penalty for.
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So, he got a few his first year playing, big deal. The same year he graded out as one of the better NB’s in the league. Anybody saying he wasn’t solid outside of that is kidding themselves.

Last year he got 3, one of which was in the game against Dallas when he came back from injury with no practice time.

It's fixed. It's just a list of his penalties. Compare that to other corners and you'll see he's on the higher side of the list. Also makes it worse that he doesn't have as many snaps as the other high penalty corners.
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I got it. Edited my post.

His first year starting he certainly got more than you’d like, but was still a solid NB.

Last year wasn’t bad at all (3).

Also, Nelson was among our top 3 or so defensive players in snaps last year.

What? Nelson only started 7 games last year.
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I meant per game, sorry.

Either way, when the ball was thrown his way, I expected a penalty half the time. He's just too grabby and not even in a slick veteran way.
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I think that’s because you’re clinging on to the fact that he had so many his first year playing.

3 in 7 games playing almost 100% if the snaps those games isn’t bad at all.

He didn't play as many snaps as you remmeber. Yeah he had some games at 100% but not all. He was probably around 5th on the defense in snaps in the games he played. 3 in 7 starts is a lot. 14 in his 22 starts in his career is a **** ton. And he doesn't have playmaking ability to off set it like Peters does.
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