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After ‘kick in the pants,’ Chiefs’ O-line pledges to keep Mahomes cleaner on Friday
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After ‘kick in the pants,’ Chiefs’ O-line pledges to keep Mahomes cleaner on Friday
Article from the KC Star this Sunday with some needed encouragement: https://www.kansascity.com/sports/nf...216549170.html
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Jesus. Andy Heck sounds like a parent telling his child "at least you tried." How about calling them out for how badly they ****ing sucked and deeming it unacceptable. Starting QB taking a hit on 4 out of 9 plays???!?!? What the **** kind of standard is that?
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I stopped reading at "The way center Mitch Morse sees it"
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As far as i can tell, Andy Heck sucks.
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We'll see...
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Hopefully Mahomes doesn't develop happy feet and lose his confidence in the pocket when he's running for his life all year
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What the heck?
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I’m afraid Tom Cable > Andy Heck
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Seeing is believing we've heard the same shit this week by the defense concerning stopping the run
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Andy Heck has to be the worst o line coach in the league. Ok maybe Dungvers is worse...
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Andy Heck did a great job with LDT. He’s also done a great job with Morse (when he’s healthy). He also did a great job with Fulton.
Fisher is who he is and Erving should not be a starting OL, ever. Sorry but LG is on Veach and Dorsey. |
Talk is cheap.
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It's all vanilla - they don't wanna tip their hand - blah blah blah ...
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Atlanta looked terrible in their first preseason game so Friday will have some interesting urgency for a second preseason game.
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I hate the preseason. It means nothing, so I'm sure the starters don't give a shit about trying their hardest in a pointless game that has no effect on their lives or if they start or not.
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IT DOES MATTER !!:shrug: |
I’d be more encouraged if they said something besides “We’re just gonna continue to work and get better.”
That implies that you’re not going to change your approach. You’re just going to do more of the practice that led you to play like utter shit. Change something. Say, “we’re gonna watch more film” or “we’re gonna really hammer fundamentals nonstop.” Don’t just “Keep working hard.” You know who else is just going to keep working hard? The Texans defense and everybody else who will abuse Fisher and Erving this season |
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I would be fine if they’d just do the responsible thing and bench ****ing Erving. He was NEVER in my assessment of the ability of the OL. The secondary was never something I was confident about. I DID say, however, that we were better at CB than safety. That definitely appears to be the case. We have a few corners who can kind of play meh. We have exactly ONE safety, and now he’s bound for another Achilles tear apparently. We REALLY need Eric Reid. I wish Clark wasn’t a ****ing asshole and would just tell Veach to ****ing sign him. |
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The clearly thought Texans would play extra vanilla like they did. Obviously they were wrong but they don't really need to change anything. Just take preseason a little more seriously. Posted via Mobile Device |
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If they CAN do better without changing their routine, then, uhhh... they should do that. Like... now. |
We're ****ed. From Matt Lane's training camp report yesterday:
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What the **** happened to Ehinger?
And these guys should all be embarrassed getting whooped by the Texans backups. It'd be understandable if it was Clowney and Watt whooping them, but it wasn't. This OL is full of soft pussies. |
We're going to need a completely line overhaul since we're going away from a west coast ball is out in 3 seconds or less to a more vertical offense with Pat holding the ball longer.
3/5 of our line is too small or too shitty for that offense long term and LDT is borderline small too. We can get by this year, but we need to get bigger. Posted via Mobile Device |
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Has it actually been stated that this is what they're going to do? I have no doubt we are going to see more vertical passing because of Mahomes' arm strength, but Andy Reid has run an offense for 20 years that's built on stretching the field horizontally and having guys who can operate in space. I don't imagine he's going to completely trash it. |
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Morse is the equivalent of Cassel saying "I think I played ok out there" after throwing 3 INT's. I forget what he actually said post game, but it was something along those lines. He's the Baghdad Bob of the OL. |
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Wish the Chiefs replaced his ass a long time ago. |
I think its the scheme we try to run that is the problem. Both tackles just try and push their man past the QB...forming a pocket for the QB to step into. But with the center and BOTH guards being pushed back there is no room to step up into a pocket.
Schwartz sucks.....the last play in the Titans game his man was PAST him before he even got out of his stance!!!! Morse is small and gets bullrushed easily. LG has been a problem for years. Andy Heck sucks and our line sucks...….period! |
I’m sure this was just the ‘kick in the pants’ they needed!
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What would he say? "Yeah, other than LDT and myself this line is ****ing terrible. And honestly, I can't stay healthy so it almost doesn't matter..." |
Did you think the OL was transformed from 9 months ago?
It's the same old song.. Inconsistency on Chiefs' OL putting limitations on Alex Smith - NFL.com, Dec 1st 2017 http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...-on-alex-smith |
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Now all the IDIOTS who defended the OL need to STFU. We all KNOW what we saw. Only fools saw it differently. This is year 6 under Reid/ He's had PLENTY of time to "fix" the OL. LG has been a virtual turnstile the whole time. LT isn't much better. Put the two together and there are HUGE issues on the left side. The other night, our supposedly "good" RT got whipped by a back-up DE a couple of times, at the same time the usual bad stuff was taking place on the left side, which is UNACCEPTABLE. They're NOT protecting Alex Smith anymore - they're protecting the Chiefs most valuable resource in the past 34 years. Maybe the Chiefs wanted to duplicate Texas Tech's OL, so Mahomes would feel more comfortable running for his life? Bottom line is the Chiefs have far too much time & $$$ invested in the OL for it to be this bad. And WTF is Andy FKN Heck still doing coaching it? :cuss: |
Supposedly good? All pro RT? That the one?
I get that they struggled last week, but some of you guys are expecting the early 2000 Chiefs OL. |
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It's his team, his choice, and he's got the pull to get what he wants. I would point out though that while in Philly the fans griped about the same thing and he had O line issues there. He also missed on prospects there. If you're going to roll with Andy that's one of his negatives and you choose to live with it... |
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If Mahomes is still upright and not on IR after Chargers, Steelers, Broncos and Jags then I will believe it. This oline has got to be changed via free agency or the draft next year. He is going to get killed.
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Not sold on Andy Heck.
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Right now one could argue that KC has the best overall set of weapons in the NFL, and that’s great. But if the OL struggles consistently, it won’t matter a whole lot.. Truthfully, if you give Mahomes the Cowboys awesome OL and their poor set of skill players, I think he’d do just fine and make those WRs look good.. but it’d still be a struggle to find open receivers early at times. But hopefully we can find a balance somewhere in the middle. Which is what I thought we would have this year with an OL that should at least be average. |
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Don't trust me - look at the numbers. |
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This is a hard thing to spell out but it's basically having lead in your ass while still having agility (not speed, but solid movement while keeping proper balance) and upper body strength. It's essentially having a fat ass, good legs, and still athletic enough to be strong up top. |
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Cause if I look at the numbers from last year, it seems they're right in the 15/16 range. Which allowed them to have one of the better offenses in the NFL last year. |
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Also - Fisher and Erving has ZERO Upper body strength but PLENTY of lead in their asses... |
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If you just look at sacks allowed we don't seem too damned bad. When you look at the breakdown of a player and if he lost ground/held a block/got pushed back it doesn't score so well. Alex will forever be elevated as my second favorite KC QB not because of what he did but because of what he didn't do while holding together a sinking ship his first 3 years. IMHO he's Cap fighting Thanos and holding the glove up for a few seconds because that's who he is. It's what he does. The best way I can put this is when people look at draft picks they want to know the floor and the ceiling. When we got smith he had an 85 floor and a 92 ceiling. He would never, EVER, lead the league in anything but he would always play good enough to make the playoffs. He took a team with the no 1 pick to the playoffs the following year. Don't forget that. How many times has that happened? Mahomes has a 99 ceiling and a 65 floor. If he doesn't progress and he doesn't learn he's a guy with a career 6-10 record with Mike Vick levels of rare talent. When he's on he can make throws no one, NO ONE, else in the league can make. If he gets lazy, if money gets him, if he marries the wrong person, he'll make 2 of those throws a game and we'll lose. People don't know how smart Mahomes is. He's a quiet guy. He's humble. There's a difference between faith and facts. I have faith in Mahomes. The facts will or won't come... |
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Glad to hear they have addressed it and are hellbent on improving protection. No "preseason" excuses or any BS. They sucked, they know it, they gotta do better.
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Not at all. And by that I'm saying he should be fired immediately and replaced. |
OL will be the downfall of this team.
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It's ****ing terrible. And we have a rookie starter at the helm. We didn't even burden a retread like Smith with this shit... |
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We knew the _efense would have issues, especially the Secondary. I thought that the plan was that the Chiefs would build a great offense to overcome the defense. All the skill position players in the world won't help if the line is terrible. Mahomes can't air it out or learn anything lying on his back. |
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Isn't it about time for the "I've got to do a better job" video?
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Those guys are all pretty much in their prime and have been playing together for a few years.
I would be quite surprised if they are anything worse than slightly below-average but I guess anything is possible. It just doesn't make much sense to me that they would be much worse than last year. And they were plenty good enough last year despite not being anything special. |
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It honestly wouldn’t surprise me if they were lethargic bc it was a damn preseason game. I still think this OL will be solid except Erving (barring injury).
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PFF ranks the Chiefs line as 18th best in the league, pretty much saying it's league average. They gave Morse pretty terrible grades last season, but I guess he didn't play that much.
I more find it annoying that it was Duke Ejiofor who was a 6th round pick getting all that pressure, and will probably end up being more productive than our 2nd round pick |
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And no, I don't follow free agency enough to suggest who they should have brought in. |
Dont wanna hear their lip service, just grow some balls and tighten that shit up
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