Soooooo... Dorsey is a butt****ing moron, right?
 

All these CBs available at the top of the 2nd round.

The 33rd and 35th overall picks.

He takes Denzel Ward at #4 overall.

Nice ****ing job, you prick. Oh, and by the way, YOU DRAFTED BAKER MAYFIELD #1 OVERALL YOU CHOAD.

I'm beginning to think Eric Fisher wasn't just "There wasn't anybody good!" It was just Dorsey trying to be smarter than everybody else.

Haven't seen Veach make any draft picks yet, but knocking on wood, he's gotta be better than Dorsey, right?

yes

as much as I wanted to see us pick tonight - just being selfish - the best move today was not ****ing w/ our pick quantity: Veach-1 Dorsey-0

Yes.

Mayfield at 1 is a career choice.
Dorsey may be that arrogant.

That.

Deep draft. **** it, stay where you’re at. It’s not like we don’t have holes all over the roster anyway.

Clearly.

Yeah. You know there were calls coming in for pick 4. He should have traded down since he wanted Ward. Maybe he was afraid that the Donks would take him? IDK. But I still wouldn't have taken Ward at 4.

Why is Dorsey a prick again? All he did was load this team up with mid round pro-bowlers and trade up for Mahomes....I guess I'm missing the hate.

I thought Mayfield was the best QB in this draft...and they got the top CB. They already have decent rushers and the previous staff traded Haden to the Steelers.

I'm sure he had Chubb rated higher but CB was a bigger need for that team...

He sucked ass like your takes.

Bradley Chubb is now a Bronco. That's why he's a prick.

****ing asshole probably did it on purpose to get back at KC.

It's looking like that Reid and Veach had more pull than Dorsey did on the Mahomes trade, in my opinion.

I got tired of seeing him take projects in the early rounds that wouldn't start for at least a year. That's who you take in the later tounds. You want guys who can make an impact immediately in the first couple of rounds. Dee Ford, KPass, etc... Jones has turned out pretty good, but again, he wasn't ready year 1.

There really wasn't anybody good in 2013. It was the worst draft talent wise in at least a decade.

I think Dorsey is a guy who listens to those around him - and when he does he gets someone like Mahomes, but also will reach for guys on account of sparq etc. Unfortunately for him Cleveland doesnt exactly have the scouting department that weve put together - nor the history of success to dispute what he wants to do.

You guys can have your hate party...I remember the Pioli years.

Kelce, Hunt, Hill, Peters, Ware...Mahomes, Schwartz.

At least he got Fisher, and not Joeckel, so he got that going. But hindsight, he could had gotten Lane Johnson or Ansah.

Yeah..Dorsey really sucked. ROFL

The Browns gave up a league-worst 102.3 passer rating to opposing quarterbacks in 2017...might as well get another pass rusher.

Meh. They needed to draft a QB no matter what, and it's hard to get excited about anyone they passed on.

The Browns fans I know are super pissed off about drafting Ward. I don't know. I always appreciated that Dorsey will take risks on high position value players. They'll probably kick themselves over Chubb, but the Browns are actually good at DE. They're awful at CB and Gregg Williams made it very clear that he thinks his CBs sucked last year. Ward at worst could be a very good slot corner. Wouldn't surprise me if Gregg Williams really wanted this one.

worst development of the night.

I don't have any hate for Dorsey and appreciate what he did for the Chiefs.

But today certainly seems a bit questionable for him.

LMAO - pretty much, yes.

Dorsey made two good picks. Good lord.

People think Andy Reid is great for some reason, so the fact that Dorsey couldn't work with him means Dorsey sucks.

https://www.sbnation.com/2017/12/17/...eveland-browns
"Gregg Williams mentions that he's been forced to play zone this year more than ever - [saying] "you can figure out the reasons for that.""

That is probably why he went with Ward at #4. Garrett and Ogbah, on the other hand... actually a very good 1-2 punch at DE.

Even though Mayfield can be a dick, I think he will be an effective starter in the NFL. Every qb prospect in this class has warts. Dorsey did no wrong with the #1 pick, but Ward at #4 is a bit odd considering Chubb was there for the taking.

The difference between Ward and a corner you can get at the top of the 2nd is not huge. You won’t find another pass rusher like Chubb in this entire draft however, and that’s why the selection is puzzling.

Ward made a shitload of sense, but Mayfield at 1 was a wowzer.

The start of Dorsey's tenure in Cleveland is every bit as bad as Pioli's was here from a personnel perspective, and arguably worse. He's a complete hack and will be fired in three years.

The only reason Baker was selected is due to his improvisation, accuracy, and attitude. He's not Brett Favre, no matter how many people want to try to shove that comparison down our throats. I feel infinitely better about Mahomes than this draft class of QB's.

lmao

I get why Dorsey took Mayfield, but it seems Ward is destined to be another woof db for the Browns for inexplicable reasons.

Tonight??

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Idk maybe it's just me but I was more impressed with mayfield than any other qb's. I see people making comparisons between baker and Manziel but I think they couldn't be anymore polar opposites. I think baker will light it up in Cleveland

Here are Dorsey's defensive picks. IMO, missing so many times hamstrung the defense. Dorsey did well on offense, though.

Misses:
Nico Johnson 4th
Sanders Commings 5th
Mike Catapano 7th
Dee Ford 1st
Phillip Gaines 3rd
Ramik Wilson 4th
D. J. Alexander 5th
David Irving UDFA lost to Dallas
KeiVarae Russell 3rd
Eric Murray 4th
D. J. White 6th
Dadi Nicolas 7th


Hits:
Marcus Peters 1st Hit for sure but only had him 3 seasons because headcase
Steven Nelson 3rd
Chris Jones 2nd
Rakeem Nunez-Roches 6th

Jury still out:
Tanoh Kpassagnon 2nd
Ukeme Eligwe 5th
Leon McQuay III 6th

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Right now I think Mayfield was a great pick. So it's possible Dorsey picked two great QBs in back to back years. I'll reserve judgement.

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Yeah...it hurt to see Chubb go to Denver.

TYVM??!!!!!!

Mayfield hasnt even participated in a pro practice yet, seems pretty presumptuous to assume he was an awful choice already

Some of you guys are so clueless. I had to post this. Dorsey was/is outstanding at drafting. Do I really need to find that article that I saw recently which mentioned statistics by which the Chiefs have been the very best team at drafting since 2013? I was not surprised to see that.

Name me just one team who you think drafted better than the Chiefs during the 2013-2017 span, taking into account how high each pick was taken. I'll be waiting. Just one team.

He's a poor man's Mahomes with a shittier mental makeup/attitude.

He should have been a third round pick.

I wanted the Chiefs to wait a year to draft a QB and even I wanted nothing to do with Gayfield...this from the guy who coveted Geno.

If Johnny Manziel was AIDs, Baker Mayfield is cancer.

Gotta wonder if he was smoking crack, he takes the 4th best QB prospect 1st then turns around and takes a CB at 4 when there's a ton of depth at that spot over probably the best D prospect in the draft to pair with their already high picked rusher...

Yea makes no sense.

He hurt his reputation with me last night.

It’s time for Veach to rape him in a trade today.
33 & 35 are there for the taking.

Cleveland & Indy are potential trade partners.

But to be honest...Dorse is best at the 2nd & 3rd day picks. He will make hay tonight I bet & will have redeemed himself.

Baker is a reach at 1 for certain. Passing on Chubb was just as stupid.

In the top 10 the Giants blew it the most. Barkley at 2 is insane. No RB or WR is worth a first rounder. They don't affect your SB chances enough. QB and in the trenches do.

The Giants care about not being terrible, all their moves signify trying to win 8 games.

Facebook always makes me appreciate how knowledgeable fans are over here.

I don't really have any Hate for him but im damn pissed he passed on Chubb and allowed him to fall to the donk's

Dorsey passed on the best defensive player in the draft for a midget corner. He gave Denver an elite caliber pass rusher.

**** him

This just isn’t true.

I really like Chubb, and he’s going to be a damn good player, but he doesn’t have elite pass rusher upside. Just look at his very poor 3 cone.

He’ll be a great run defender and a solid pass rusher.

Speaking of Mahomes - Baker Mayfield left Texas Tech and transferred to OU when he lost his job to Mahomes. At the time, most of that was pushed under the rug by his camp as they adopted the story that there were other "communication issues with the coaching staff" at play as to why he transferred.

Chubb is not that great guys, I don't know why you're scared of him. Dorsey got the best qb in the draft and the best CB. Thats a pretty damn good haul if you ask me.

He’s going to be much better than Ray or Barrett. 20 sacks and 44 TFL his last 2 years with the ability to play several different spots.

Whether you admit it or not, Denver’s pass rush just got a shit ton better bc of this guy and that’s not good for Mahomes.

And the ****ing Chargers get Derwin James to make that defense better which also sucks.

Exactly - Chubb is very good and has a lot of potential, BUT he is the best at his position in a not -so -great class. It reminds me of when Lavar Arrington was coming out of college except he was seen as being even more dominant. A LOT can happen at the next level for these guys.

Personally, if I were Dorsey, I'd have picked Chubb. However, Cleveland needed a stud CB more than they needed a stud DL / OLB , so they went with the bigger need. I get it.

I'd be curious to know the deal that Denver walked from with Buffalo once they saw Chubb still there. Kiszla (I believe) referred to it today in an article.

Would have liked 12 and whatever else that would have garnered.

How many elite pass rushers put up a 7.37 3 cone?

Did the Broncos get better? Yes.

Did the Broncos fill a need? No.

It sucks, but the Chargers getting James is much worse IMO.

Dorsey picks shit pass rushers. Dee Ford says hello so he went with what he does pretty good at. CB.

I don't know, if I was in Dorsey's shoes I would have probably went Darnold and Chubb with the belief I can get a corner at the top of the second round. And lets face it, how good will his draft look once he adds two top second rounders tonight. This is where I think Dorsey excells in drafts.

Now if one really had some balls, he could have went Barkely at one and Chubb at four. Its not the PC thing to do and the media and fans would have been all over your ass, but then you add a guy like Rudolph tonight in the second.

Its hard to really fu@k things up when you have two of the top 4 picks in the first AND second rounds. But I Baker Mayfield would make me nervous if I was a Browns fan.

From a pure talent perspective he took the best qb at 1.

I dont know about dropping the number 4 on a cb in this draft. Too much talent out there.

It's obvious, but if Mayfield works out no one will care that he was considered a 'reach' on draft day. If he doesn't work out, then it doesn't matter where their failed QB was drafted. You pick the guy you think is going to be the best out of the QB class and go with him. What the "gurus" say is meaningless.

Rosen is the most talent, IMO. Dorsey has always wanted another Favre.... Baker ain't it.

Coming from an OU fan no way is Mayfield the most talented guy.He isnt even close to what Sam Bradford was coming out.

Picking 1 and 4 was easy.
Little tougher when your 1st pick us 54.

Can't do a very fair dorsey vs. veach.
Hunt said they are taking best player available

People are worried that Denver drafted Chubb but I'm just glad they didn't pick a top QB when they were in position to do so.

I feel like Cleveland needed a safe QB pick, and they went the other way. But then again, Dorsey drafted really well for us so I won't second-guess him.

Carl Lawson had 8.5 sacks as a rookie last year and had a 7.46 3 cone. Chubb can line up over G’s in the A gap and hide that as well, much like we’ll do with Tanoh.

The dude was a monster. Teams knew it was only him coming off the edge and they still couldn’t stop him. Florida State tried focusing in on him and he got multiple sacks.

Now pair him with Von where he’ll get more 1X1 opportunities. Ugh

It better be defense or OL.

Carl Lawson isn’t and will never be an elite pass rusher.

He’s a solid pass rusher, like Chubb.

Yet without a QB it really won't matter, they'll at best be a 7 win team.

This is also Elway shitting on other high picks he's made, guess that means they don't like Shane Ray.

Ehh, to me its a tossup between him and darnold. The two joshs have glaring issues.

Baker can make all thhe throws, and navigate around the pocket better than the others.

He may be a dick, but i think he will be good for Cleveland in the long run.

As for the Bradford reference, i wasnt really comparing him to other draft classes. Shit i would say the guy we picked at 10 last year is better.

There's a lot of video of Mayfield really struggling without dudes running wide open, that's gonna be a problem.

He’s got the potential to be a consistent double-digit sack artist, especially playing opposite of Von Miller.

That=bad.

And it will suck more if Denver comes away with James Daniels or Will Hernandez today.

Nope. Wrong.

There is no such thing as a superior, or even good NFL GM. It's a field where reversion to the mean is the norm not the exception. Remember when A.J. Smith was being crowned king? Or Ozzie Newsome? Or Bill Polian? Dorsey's fall from grace was expected. Guys get lucky once or twice and start thinking they know things others don't and quickly bite themselves in the ass. Look at the saints draft last year and look at the shit they pulled yesterday. If a team wanted to hire a GM they would do best to hire someone with a long track record of decency that has recently been on a cold streak, so the likely reversion is up not down, not someone like Dorsey purported to be "the chosen one".

Fall from grace? When was he ever good?