Khalil Mack possible hold out?
 

Not showing up to Raiders workouts that started today.

They are voluntary...but he just turned down a 100m offer from Oakland a few days ago and this is the first activities with Gruden.

Hopefully, he will be traded to the Rams.

He is there best player by far. Without him, that defense is pretty poor.

Eh, maybe. Remember, we had Houston, Berry and Peters all hold out of the voluntary stuff, too.

TRADE ALL THE THINGS TO TEH RAMS

Exactly- I don't put too much weight into individuals not showing up to the voluntary workouts. Something to keep an eye on for though for sure.

I'd support such a holdout.

Stahp.

Yep, Rams will throw out a 4th this year and a 3rd next year and get him. It is SuperBowl or Bust for them this year.

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Veach was unaware that one was allowed to ask for such a lofty return for talented players.

Totally, man. Veach didn't have Peters on the block looking for offers for a month or anything.

To me that is the bigger item. He is going to want von miller money. Hope they trade him for picks because chances are they wouldn't hit as good as him.

Mack will get 125-130m on a 6 year deal if he wants Von $

He'd be stupid not to hold out.

Luckily, at least we hope, the Raiders have squandered the cheap QB and cheap pass rusher years and are now going to have to start hitting on draft picks to fill holes instead of FA's.

They're gonna have to pay Cooper soon as well.

They should try to trade Cooper.

He’s overrated and will want overrated type money.

Can't say anything negative about Mack but don't think he could carry a team the way miller did. I think he would get similar money just because of inflation.

Meh, I'd wait and see how things go with Gruden at the helm first.

130 is exactly Von Miller’s deal with the % of increase to the cap.

You are absolutely right. You are thinking of most logical thing for him to do I am thinking of worst case scenario for oakland because that's soothing.

They need to pay Khalil this year though, can't go in to next season with both of them needing paid.

Just the nature of the beast.

And Khalil is a badass. But that d is so bad. I dunno.

If someone offered a kings haul for him, I'd thinkn about it.

Miller never carried that team.

I think miller did more to win their sb than forehead.

With all due respect here, Miller disappears too much for me. Mack is far more consistent than Miller IMHO. I would take Mack over Miller in a heartbeat hypothetically speaking. Mack's motor never misses whereas Miller has always had issues of sputtering at the worst times. Heckuva talent no doubt but he has chronic ADD with his play.

Oh no doubt and that was a game where he was hitting on all cylinders. Wade,Von and the D won that SB. Kubiak and Forehead didn't that is for sure.

Players hardly ever hold out. Its just posturing at this stage. They will sign him and it will be to a huge deal. Carr and Mack were good picks, but they squandered the drafts during their rookie deals. So now they have to pay the piper and have little else around them. Gruden is an upgrade over Del Rio though.

I liked having del rio there seemed like he would be just mediocre enough to keep his job but be easily handled.

Flowbee has asked Freighters to foot the bill

They overpaid on Carr so hopefully, they will with Mack as well. He is not worth 130 million but, the Faders are dumb enough to give it to him.

He is young and an NFL def player of the year/all pro. He is a player any team would want to have and pay the contract they are going to pay.

They did not overpay for Carr. Franchise QB’s are hard to come by. The Raiders used a 2nd rd pick to draft Carr. Again, any team without a QB would love to have Carr with that contract. It’s what QB’s are worth.

They overpaid last year for the product they got.. Carr regressed to pretty much his rookie year.

That is a hell of a contract though.. they could cut Carr right now and only have 7.5M in dead cap. All the guaranteed money was in the first year and a half of the contract, with a very small signing bonus.

He's have to mortgage the double wide, but he could get it done and have it paid off in two years.

Rams are going to be a high priority for my defense this season for fantasy football.

I never said Mack was not a beast- but paying one player more than the entire rest of the defense put together rarely works out. Suh never lived up to that massive contract with Miami and because of injuries either has Watt or Houston. All three are better players.

Calling Carr a "Franchise" QB is a stretch for sure. That term gets thrown around for any young QB that entrenches himself in the starting role. The Faders have paid him like one of the top 3 in the NFL and he has never won shit. He has a losing record against good teams and has been banged up. I expect the Chiefs dominance over the Faders to continue as long as Carr is in there.

Would you risk getting hurt with 125 million staring you in the face? I sure wouldn't... Quite possible he won't be seen until June but they will sign him

Exactly, sign the big contract and then get hurt- that is the Fader way.

Mack could get hurt working out on his own, however, I would do the same

No thats the NFL way

Seems like as soon as a player gets paid they disappear

and Houston as well.:rolleyes:

This is the philosophy I would employ if I were a GM.

I would rather have 3 $7 million dollar players..that are accessible. One goes down..you still have two.

Houston has been a giant bust ...thanks Parker. Berry has missed around 40 games.

Football is too violent to pay non-QBs that kind of money.

I'll go out on a limb and say this team without Berry/Houston...but with $30+ million (yearly) to buy young talent would be better off.

Neither one of those players are worth it anymore...their contracts are stupid.

Someone should do a top 5 PFF composite per position...salary vs.performance. It would interesting to see if money is being spent wisely...or on "name brand and hype".

PFF isnt the end all, be all....but its a subjective gauge.

I actually agree with this take. I think the best formula to consistently win is pretty simple: refuse to pay a huge contract for any position other than QB. Set a benchmark (maybe the 60th percentile? 65th?) and simply refuse to pay any higher than that for other positions. Use the savings to get the best QB and hang on to him for 10-15 years.

With the rules the way they are now, QB is where you get the most bang for the buck. The other positions, while important, are not so crucial that you need premium players there in order to consistently win.

I don't believe Houston has been worth the money. Yeah, he has a few brilliant games here and there, but if you can get 70% of that production for 40% of the money, you do it and spend the savings on a QB.

No...that's the Justin Houston way

He’s being shopped for a trade

He has better odds in Vegas on starting the season with the Packers than the Raiders.

That's interesting.

Bring him in for a book?

For a book? Ha. That guy can't read.


Bring him in for a MRSA.
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The word is LA might trade Donald.

I’d love to give them next years 1 and 2 for him...but it’s a pipe dream

Can he play LG?
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They have him locked up for 3 years if they want to. Final year on rookie contract plus 2 franchise tags but it won't come to that.

He was the last person I would have expected to hold out but that's business...
They know he is in top shape so if it drags thru the pre season it's not a big deal.
Gruden Name dropped him Saturday so I think a deal is close and Macks agent is waiting to see what Donald gets. He deserves more than Miller because he is younger.
On the other hand a couple of first round picks would be good too from the right team.

The Raiders will not lose him over a couple million a year, his jersey sales alone would cover that. I see no panic mode on this side at this time

I do not think he will be going anywhere though.

It’s good that you’re being optimistic

It's getting interesting in Chokeland. Can you imagine that defense without Mack? He's the only player worth a crap on that defense.

You sure haven't been keeping up with the Raiders roster much I see

Well, enlighten me then. Did they add anyone not past their prime? I know that they added DJ, but he's done, so I'm not counting him as an upgrade at this point.

donald is asking for over 25 million a year with 80 percent guaranteed...

I’d trade a first round pick for him.

Any team that pays this for any position not QB is like a 60 IQ.