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The Franchise 04-03-2018 12:45 PM

The Raiders have a Gruden problem
 
http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nf...gruden-problem

It’s important to remember that Jon Gruden, Oakland’s $100 million retread of a head coach, wasn’t hired to make personnel decisions. Those duties, at least in theory, should fall in the hands of long-time GM Reggie McKenzie. But in looking at Oakland’s offseason transformation, it would be naïve to think McKenzie is running the show. Gruden’s fingerprints are all over the Raiders’ new roster and that’s a problem.

We knew the Raiders were taking a risk in bringing back Gruden, who last coached in the NFL with Tampa Bay in 2008. In his heyday, Gruden was lauded as a coaching prodigy. He lived up to that label by winning Super Bowl XXXVII, becoming the youngest head coach in history (at the time) to hoist the Lombardi Trophy. But Gruden has never made it back to the big game—in fact, he hasn’t won a playoff game in two tries since reaching his apex in 2002.

While many remember Gruden as an offensive mastermind, his coaching record, particularly during his seven-year run in Tampa (he went just 57-55) says otherwise. The 54-year-old has rehabbed his image in subsequent years with his stellar analysis on Monday Night Football as well as his enlightening Quarterback Camp series on ESPN. He may have been an engaging television personality—hence his endorsements with Bridgestone, Corona, Dunkin Donuts and Hooters, among others—but Gruden was merely an average NFL coach the first time around. Even his lone Super Bowl came on the strength of a stacked roster he inherited from Tony Dungy.

Giving full roster control—and $100 million—to an average-at-best coach who hasn’t been behind an NFL sideline in a literal decade seems like a reckless misstep for a team that looked like it was finally onto something after making the playoffs in 2016. But here we are, living in Gruden’s warped football dystopia, where long-snappers and converted fullbacks reign supreme.

Let’s look at the damage, shall we? Gruden did get one thing right this offseason. While not necessarily an upgrade on T.J. Carrie, who departed in free agency, Rashaan Melvin was a solid addition to the Raiders’ secondary. A late bloomer, the 28-year-old was in the midst of a career year with Indianapolis in 2017 before a nagging hand injury cut his season short. But aside from that peace offering, Oakland’s offseason has been one head-scratcher after another.

Exhibit A: Doug Martin. It’s true that Martin was a first-team All-Pro with the Bucs in 2015. It’s also true that he has statistically been the league’s worst running back over the last two seasons, finishing dead last in yards per carry in both 2016 and 2017. On top of that, Martin turned 29 in January (that’s still younger than incumbent, Marshawn Lynch) and is coming off a PED suspension that cost him the first three games of 2017. The fact that Martin has a legitimate chance to start next season would be reason enough to question Gruden’s judgment, but it gets worse. Rather than staying the course with Michael Crabtree, who has led the Raiders in receiving touchdowns each of the last three seasons, Oakland sent the former first-round pick packing and replaced him with an even older Jordy Nelson, who is coming off a career-worst year in Green Bay.

Breno Giacomini did more than earn PFF’s worst tackle grade last season. He earned PFF’s worst grade of ANY player at any position. DeShone Kizer, Brett Hundley, Breshad Perriman—all of them looked like world-beaters compared to the Hindenberg known as Breno Gomes Giacomini. Naturally, he’s the current front-runner to start at right tackle for Oakland. And while division-rival Kansas City was putting the finishing touches on a three-year deal with playmaker Sammy Watkins, the Raiders were busy making Andrew DePaola one of the league’s highest-paid long-snappers. Neat.

How about Keith Smith? Ever heard of him? He’s a former linebacker who logged 128 snaps at fullback for the Cowboys last year. By the grace of God, the Raiders decided to give him a two-year, $4.2 million (*immediately spits out drink*) contract. Oakland already had an established fullback in Jamize Olawale (he’s since been traded to Dallas), but when Keith Smith is available, you don’t walk to sign that man—you RUN. The same goes for Josh Johnson, a 31-year-old journeyman the Raiders signed to compete with Connor Cook for backup reps behind starting quarterback Derek Carr. Johnson, a fifth-round pick of Gruden’s ’08 Bucs, last attempted an NFL pass in 2011, though he did have a few kneel-downs for the Bengals in 2013. Did I mention Gruden stole his own son Deuce away from the Redskins (coached by Gruden’s younger brother, Jay) to be the Raiders’ new strength and conditioning coach? That must have been an awkward phone call. Sorry, bro. It’s just business.

So how did the Raiders, pray tell, afford such lavish expenditures? Easy—they unloaded a pair of All-Pros. It’s boilerplate stuff, really. What could go wrong trading return man Cordarrelle Patterson (second-highest kick return average in NFL history) to the Patriots? Or cutting punter Marquette King (third in net punt average last season). Who needs that guy, right? The Raiders also declined to re-sign Sebastian Janikowski, he of 414 career field goals including a 63-yarder, an NFL record at the time, in 2011.

Right about now you’re probably wondering what in God’s green earth this Gruden fella is up to and I don’t blame you. I’ve found myself pondering the same thing. It’s one of the five stages of Gruden Grief. While the inner workings of Gruden’s brain will always be a mystery to us (I’m imagining a 24-hour loop of Spider 2 Y Banana), reports from beat writers Bill Williamson of RaidersSnakePit.com and Vic Tafur of The Athletic give us a window into the coach’s thought process. According to Tafur, there were “whispers of King’s personality not clicking with Gruden’s” while Williamson agrees that Gruden wanted to send a “message” by showing King the door.

This is a side of Gruden we didn’t see on MNF. Gruden was overwhelmingly positive as a television analyst but now that the man has a football team to run, he’s not messing around. Part of the fun of football Twitter is overthinking things and the outcry over King’s release is a prime example of us doing just that. King is certainly an upper echelon punter and a boon to Oakland’s special teams unit, but at the end of the day, he’s just a punter. Life will go on.

The problem isn’t King—it’s Gruden’s outdated, ego-driven approach to team building. You can make the argument, as many Gruden supporters already have, that King’s release was a cap-saving move (it freed up $2.9 million). Those same sheep will argue that King’s four personal fouls over the last two seasons were a detriment to the team. But if Tafur and Williamson’s reporting is accurate, the real reason the Raiders cut King was because of his colorful personality and the threat it posed to Gruden’s hardnosed, no-nonsense style of coaching. King isn’t a disruptive player—he’s good at his job and likes to have some fun. But Gruden wouldn’t know the difference.

Gruden said at the NFL Combine that he wants to bring the Raiders back to 1998 by playing a throwback brand of football. That’s almost as cringe-worthy as Bill Polian saying Heisman Trophy winner Lamar Jackson should switch positions because he’s too small (6’3”/211) to play quarterback. Wake up, guys. This isn’t 1998. It’s 2018. Gruden can scoff at analytics all he wants but the reality is, forward-thinking teams like the Patriots and Eagles are the ones having success while members of the cocoon, as Evan Silva calls it, are being left behind.

Is it any wonder the Browns went 0-16 last year with defensive coordinator Gregg Williams trotting out the same ineffective defense week after week, regardless of opponent? The Patriots and Eagles were chameleons, routinely exposing their opponents’ weaknesses with exhaustive game-planning. We’re not even three months into the Gruden Era in Oakland—the second Gruden Era, I should say—and the man in charge has already admitted he’s not willing to play ball. Rather than adapt to an ever-changing analytics-driven landscape, Gruden is going to do things his way, which apparently means dumping a pair of All-Pro special teamers and a proven touchdown scorer in favor of a backup QB he coached 10 years ago, a running back who can’t play anymore and the worst tackle in football by a landslide, according to PFF.

There’s something to be said for unpopular personnel decisions. Bill Belichick makes them all the time. He traded Chandler Jones when it was time to pay him. He dealt Jimmy Garoppolo when it became clear that Jimmy G and Tom Brady could no longer coexist. He benched Malcolm Butler in the Super Bowl and let him walk in free agency. LeGarrette Blount, Jamie Collins, Dion Lewis, Logan Ryan … the list goes on and on. Those are tough moves to make and not all of them have worked in New England’s favor. Belichick’s decision to exile Butler may have cost the Patriots a Super Bowl this past season. But when you’ve won over 200 games and seven Super Bowl rings, you tend to get the benefit of the doubt. If Gruden was expecting to get that kind of leeway after spending a decade up in the broadcast booth, he’d better think again. This is the NFL, the ultimate “what have you done for me lately” league. The answer: not much.

As badly as Gruden squandered free agency, the Raiders still have some intriguing pieces. Carr is being paid like a franchise quarterback, even if he didn’t play like one last year, while pass-rusher Khalil Mack continues to be an unstoppable supernova. And despite frequent lapses, Amari Cooper remains one of the most promising young receivers in football. There’s no telling what could happen in a wide-open AFC West. But if Gruden can’t get with the times, 2018 could pass the Raiders by.

O.city 04-03-2018 12:46 PM

Holy wall of text batman.

O.city 04-03-2018 12:47 PM

I've seen on twitter that Kalil and his camp have turned down 100 mil. He's gonna be expensive AF.

FloridaMan88 04-03-2018 12:47 PM

10 million words to say that Gruden is average/mediocre.

Hoover 04-03-2018 12:58 PM

This looks like an article that attempts to save face for Reggie McKenzie, who face it, hasn't done well in Oakland. Any idiot on the street could have drafted Mack, Carr, and Cooper.

Gruden is a problem. But before one judges their FA moves, I want to see who they draft.

lawrenceRaider 04-03-2018 01:04 PM

For the love of god.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/81/cf...fb2e0e7081.gif

BossChief 04-03-2018 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13501254)
I've seen on twitter that Kalil and his camp have turned down 100 mil. He's gonna be expensive AF.

He is next in line to be the highest paid edge rusher in the league.

Von Miller got 6/114 when the cap was 155m. The cap has gone up to 177m this year, an increase of 14% since Von signed.

That puts his current market value barely over 6 years for 130 million.

Pay it or someone else will.

Your move, Chucky.

RunKC 04-03-2018 01:12 PM

His moves haven’t looked good but pump the brakes. Dude hasn’t even had a game or a draft yet.

Titty Meat 04-03-2018 01:23 PM

Dwayne Harris is gonna out up Tyreek Hill numbers in that offense

BucEyedPea 04-03-2018 01:25 PM

Gruden has always preferred to buy the groceries.

Coochie liquor 04-03-2018 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13501279)
His moves haven’t looked good but pump the brakes. Dude hasn’t even had a game or a draft yet.

This is how I feel. Although I’m praying he bombs which is highly possible. Fade are stuck with that albatross of a contract for a long ass time!

pugsnotdrugs19 04-03-2018 01:27 PM

When he was first hired, I expected a short term boost. I thought he’d come in and at least get them to play hard and win 10 or so games in 2018.

Now, seeing their moves... I’m iffy at best. I think the whole thing could go off the rails.

Hog's Gone Fishin 04-03-2018 01:33 PM

He was average before. Been out 20 years . Getting rid of his weapons to make a point that he's boss. I'm liken it.

Raiders will continue to battle Denver for the #1 draft pick.

Bowser 04-03-2018 01:45 PM

This move was made to sell luxury boxes and PSL's in the new Vegas stadium first and foremost. Let's see what kind of draft he puts together before we discount him completely.

lawrenceRaider 04-03-2018 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 13501327)
He was average before. Been out 20 years . Getting rid of his weapons to make a point that he's boss. I'm liken it.

Raiders will continue to battle Denver for the #1 draft pick.

So which "weapon" was a difference maker that was traded or released? Hint, none of the guys listed were difference makers.

ToxSocks 04-03-2018 01:50 PM

I think it's gone as well as any Chiefs fan could have hoped up to this point.

The article is pretty spot on. Personally, i don't think the Raiders will ever make the playoffs under Gruden.

Bowser 04-03-2018 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider (Post 13501356)
So which "weapon" was a difference maker that was traded or released? Hint, none of the guys listed were difference makers.

I think Oakland is a better team with Crabtree. He'd disappear for games at a time, but he always seemed to make a clutch catch or score when they absolutely needed it.

BigRedChief 04-03-2018 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13501253)
Holy wall of text batman.

woah, can we get aCliff notes version Batman? Geeezzzz

Indian Chief 04-03-2018 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 13501327)
He was average before. Been out 20 years . Getting rid of his weapons to make a point that he's boss. I'm liken it.

Raiders will continue to battle Denver for the #1 draft pick.

It's been more like 10 years, but I understand your point. I think the key is what you opened with, the guy was a slightly above average coach to start with. His time on MNF has given people a more positive view of him.

Mother****erJones 04-03-2018 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider (Post 13501356)
So which "weapon" was a difference maker that was traded or released? Hint, none of the guys listed were difference makers.

Crabtree made all your big plays in the red zone.

lawrenceRaider 04-03-2018 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 13501363)
I think Oakland is a better team with Crabtree. He'd disappear for games at a time, but he always seemed to make a clutch catch or score when they absolutely needed it.

That muthafaquer quit on the team last year, and had trouble catching a cold. I'd rather have Jordy Nelson, even at his age than Crabtree.

Shaid 04-03-2018 02:29 PM

Way too early for an article like this. I definitely think Gruden being out a while and being on TV/having the QB camp, etc. have upped his "legend" status. That's what the contract is about. They got sold on the bling. I'm hoping for a crash and burn but who knows.

Hog's Gone Fishin 04-03-2018 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider (Post 13501356)
So which "weapon" was a difference maker that was traded or released? Hint, none of the guys listed were difference makers.

Crabtree and King were good players

TomBarndtsTwin 04-03-2018 02:50 PM

Meh. The jury is still out.

While Raiders fans can argue that the team hasn't gotten much worse, they certainly haven't gotten any better (personnel wise) since Gruden took over.

But he still has the draft and maybe some cap casualties from other teams to scoop up, so I'll wait and see how the rest of the off-season plays out . . . . .

notorious 04-03-2018 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider (Post 13501414)
That muthafaquer quit on the team last year, and had trouble catching a cold. I'd rather have Jordy Nelson, even at his age than Crabtree.

Jordy is the better player.

staylor26 04-03-2018 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 13501457)
Jordy is the better player.

Not today.

Hydrae 04-03-2018 03:04 PM

It seems like Gruden forgets that time is about to pass some of these guys by. He keeps getting guys that were great...a few years ago. The Chiefs are getting younger, the Raiders are getting older. I like our approach much, much better.

rico 04-03-2018 03:12 PM

The Raiders are gonna be like The Little Giants!!! I hope they don’t try to run the “Annexation of Puerto Rico” against us!!!

rtmike 04-03-2018 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hydrae (Post 13501464)
It seems like Gruden forgets that time is about to pass some of these guys by. He keeps getting guys that were great...a few years ago. The Chiefs are getting younger, the Raiders are getting older. I like our approach much, much better.


If I’m not mistaken, that’s ALWAYS been the Fades mo. They’ve always seemed to favor guys on their 3rd or 4th contract regardless of who’s coaching?







This is reminding me more and more of ol’ Chip and his destruction of teams.

HemiEd 04-03-2018 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13501253)
Holy wall of text batman.

I enjoyed reading about Raider tears so much I read it twice.

KChiefs1 04-03-2018 03:51 PM

The Raiders have a Gruden problem
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 13501251)
http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nf...gruden-problem
It’s important to remember that Jon Gruden, Oakland’s $100 million retread of a head coach, wasn’t hired to make personnel decisions. Those duties, at least in theory, should fall in the hands of long-time GM Reggie McKenzie. But in looking at Oakland’s offseason transformation, it would be naïve to think McKenzie is running the show. Gruden’s fingerprints are all over the Raiders’ new roster and that’s a problem.

Giving full roster control—and $100 million—to an average-at-best coach who hasn’t been behind an NFL sideline in a literal decade seems like a reckless misstep for a team that looked like it was finally onto something after making the playoffs in 2016. But here we are, living in Gruden’s warped football dystopia, where long-snappers and converted fullbacks reign supreme.



The AFC West will ours for years & years.

MTG#10 04-03-2018 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 13501368)
woah, can we get aCliff notes version Batman? Geeezzzz

Gruden sucks

Easy 6 04-03-2018 04:51 PM

I obviously hope he bombs out, because

a) **** the Raiders
b) they shit on their very good fanbase
c) less competition in the AFCW cant be a bad thing

But I'm not personally expecting it, the guy has had time to digest everything he learned way back when, and has been keeping up with league trends all along... he is capable of getting them back to respectable, IMO

GloucesterChief 04-03-2018 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 13501748)
I obviously hope he bombs out, because

a) **** the Raiders
b) they shit on their very good fanbase
c) less competition in the AFCW cant be a bad thing

But I'm not personally expecting it, the guy has had time to digest everything he learned way back when, and has been keeping up with league trends all along... he is capable of getting them back to respectable, IMO

He couldn't do much when Tampa's defense full of future hall of famers and pro bowlers started to age.

Easy 6 04-03-2018 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GloucesterChief (Post 13501790)
He couldn't do much when Tampa's defense full of future hall of famers and pro bowlers started to age.

Fair enough, he did win it all... but didnt do much beyond that one great season

We'll see, I just believe he is a sharper, more mature guy this time around (arent we all 20+ years later) who has a plan

RustShack 04-03-2018 06:30 PM

The Raiders were also the only team to ask Iowa States All-American LB to work out at FB during their Pro Day.

MahiMike 04-03-2018 06:43 PM

That was hilarious.

Hog's Gone Fishin 04-03-2018 06:52 PM

I would say being a NFL Head Coach is a really ,really demanding job. And even though he knows what it entails, he's had a good gig for some time and this will wear on him REALLY fast.

What are the chances he just wanted a free spot in Vegas ??

RealSNR 04-03-2018 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 13501353)
This move was made to sell luxury boxes and PSL's in the new Vegas stadium first and foremost. Let's see what kind of draft he puts together before we discount him completely.

That's the problem. "Let's see what kind of draft he has."

Why does he get a draft? The Raiders have Reggie McKenzie, who DIDN'T take a 20 year break from the NFL.

lawrenceRaider 04-04-2018 04:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 13501583)
I enjoyed reading about Raider tears so much I read it twice.

More like fantasy by a nervous rival fan.

lawrenceRaider 04-04-2018 05:00 AM

Remember, we had JDR as our coach. So even if Gruden is JAG, its a huge upgrade over what we had.

jjchieffan 04-04-2018 06:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider (Post 13502458)
Remember, we had JDR as our coach. So even if Gruden is JAG, its a huge upgrade over what we had.

Hard to argue with that. JDR was awful. I was kinda hoping that he would be kept around another year or two. But the Donks kept their inept coach. I guess that hoping for 2 division rivals to do that was asking too much.

wazu 04-04-2018 06:58 AM

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The 54-year-old has rehabbed his image in subsequent years with his stellar analysis on Monday Night Football
Anybody else feel like they’re taking crazy pills when they read this? I lost respect for Gruden after listening to his meathead takes on MNF. It made me look back on his coaching career and evaluate with a more critical eye.

Eleazar 04-04-2018 07:37 AM

I like a Raiders hate thread as much as the next guy, but their Gruden problem is no different than our Reid problem, except that Gruden has actually taken a team to the promised land before.

GloucesterChief 04-04-2018 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eleazar (Post 13502556)
I like a Raiders hate thread as much as the next guy, but their Gruden problem is no different than our Reid problem, except that Gruden Monte Kiffin has actually taken a team to the promised land before.

FYP.

Pablo 04-04-2018 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider (Post 13502455)
More like fantasy by a nervous rival fan.

The AFCW is the Chiefs to lose for the next decade. Mascara and Chucky aren't changing that.

lawrenceRaider 04-04-2018 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wazu (Post 13502521)
Anybody else feel like they’re taking crazy pills when they read this? I lost respect for Gruden after listening to his meathead takes on MNF. It made me look back on his coaching career and evaluate with a more critical eye.

He ruined MNF for me. Just terrible in the booth. SNF became the premier prime time game.

seclark 04-04-2018 11:11 AM

**** the raiders.
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KChiefs1 04-04-2018 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eleazar (Post 13502556)
I like a Raiders hate thread as much as the next guy, but their Gruden problem is no different than our Reid problem, except that Gruden has actually taken a team to the promised land before.



So you’d take Gruden over Reid?!?!?!?

Beef Supreme 04-04-2018 11:21 AM

Maybe Gruden is still pissed the Raiders fired him and is now getting his revenge.

jjchieffan 04-04-2018 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigChiefTablet (Post 13502886)
Maybe Gruden is still pissed the Raiders fired him and is now getting his revenge.

Wrong! The Faiders did not fire Chuckie. They traded him to Tampa Bay.

cdcox 04-04-2018 09:55 PM

So far he seems to be going by his gut instincts on the personnel side. I'm pleased with that. I think he is a well above average coach, but his personnel choices in Tampa had a negative effect on the talent level of that team.

Eureka 04-04-2018 10:11 PM

Last year when the Raiders were playing the Eagles on MNF Gruden was commenting on their horrible play calling even before the ball was snapped. I think he will have a mixture of rookies and vets who will be focused more than they were last year. Del rio was not a good coach for that team and was often out coached.

The Raiders have talent on their roster and have a very capable QB.

Eleazar 04-04-2018 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 13502878)
So you’d take Gruden over Reid?!?!?!?

I wouldn't take either of them if I wanted to build a team that wins in the postseason.

jdubya 04-06-2018 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 13501434)
Crabtree and King were good players

both were locker room "me first" cancers.....interesting there were no Raider tweets saying goodbye or good luck to either of them. Thats telling

BryanBusby 04-06-2018 01:14 PM

Gotta have the Right 53!

Nickhead 04-06-2018 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdubya (Post 13505825)
both were locker room "me first" cancers.....interesting there were no Raider tweets saying goodbye or good luck to either of them. Thats telling

i said the same about marcus peters when he was traded :D

Buehler445 04-06-2018 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 13505827)
Gotta have the Right 53!

Those words on my screen send me into blind rage.

Baby Lee 04-06-2018 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 13506309)
Those words on my screen send me into blind rage.

On the bright side, you don't see them for very long.

Buehler445 04-07-2018 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 13506310)
On the bright side, you don't see them for very long.

Right on!

The downside is I turn into a giant green monster and wreck New York.

Baby Lee 04-07-2018 02:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 13506610)
Right on!

The downside is I turn into a giant green monster and wreck New York.

Did you at least get to?

https://images.gr-assets.com/hostedi...a/16474145.gif

Buehler445 04-07-2018 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 13506631)

ROFL

KChiefs1 07-25-2018 05:53 PM

Al Davis really hated Shanarat & Marcus Allen.

https://youtu.be/Epsa3tQ_Jc0

MahiMike 07-26-2018 12:33 PM

So funny...good stuff.

jdubya 07-26-2018 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 13644520)
Al Davis really hated Shanarat & Marcus Allen.

https://youtu.be/Epsa3tQ_Jc0

After Al died Greg Papa strutted around and talked on the radio like he was suddenly the all knowing guru of Al davis and the Oakland Raiders. While Al was alive, the local word was that Al treated his son Mark with nothing but contempt. Well, Mark has rid much of the Old Raider management and Al cronies since he took over the team and now has let Greg Papa go. I truly think Papa thought he was untouchable. Good riddance papa.....you aren`t that good of a radio commentator anyway.

RunKC 08-08-2018 11:50 AM

Wow the Raiders might really trade Khalil Mack and they appear to be starting Kolton Miller at LT this year.

Mecca 08-08-2018 11:59 AM

The Raiders cut kicker Giorgio Telvecchio and the rumor is Gruden cut him because he's left footed and finding a holder for him is difficult when all the other kickers they have are right footed.

This sounds really ****ing dumb.

ToxSocks 08-08-2018 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13664704)
Wow the Raiders might really trade Khalil Mack and they appear to be starting Kolton Miller at LT this year.

Trade him to the Chiefs or trade him the **** out of the conference.

pugsnotdrugs19 08-08-2018 12:08 PM

I know it has 0% of happening but Mack on the Chiefs would mean SB immediately, or at least making it there. I just hope Oakland is dumb enough to let him go anywhere else outside the division.

pugsnotdrugs19 08-08-2018 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13664704)
Wow the Raiders might really trade Khalil Mack and they appear to be starting Kolton Miller at LT this year.

Is Donald Penn hurt?

RunKC 08-08-2018 12:11 PM

Rumor is the Packers could trade for Mack since they will be clearing money off the books next year from older players and have 2 first rd picks next year.

Donald Penn was asked to take a pay cut and he doesn’t want to so Gruden is rolling with his 1st rd pick.

pugsnotdrugs19 08-08-2018 12:12 PM

Packers getting Mack... woo. That might make them a favorite. NFC is tough though. Much deeper than the AFC.

CaliforniaChief 08-08-2018 12:15 PM

If the Raiders traded Mack, that would be one of the dumbest moves in NFL history. He's a generational talent.

pugsnotdrugs19 08-08-2018 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 13664739)
If the Raiders traded Mack, that would be one of the dumbest moves in NFL history. He's a generational talent.

It’s the Raiders though

Dayze 08-08-2018 12:29 PM

trade Houston for Mack straight up. LOL

Buehler445 08-08-2018 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 13664764)
trade Houston for Mack straight up. LOL

To hell with that.

Buehler445 08-08-2018 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13664737)
Packers getting Mack... woo. That might make them a favorite. NFC is tough though. Much deeper than the AFC.

I haven't followed this offseason, but the gameplan is probably pretty easy: Run away from Mack.

Pasta Little Brioni 08-08-2018 12:37 PM

What a disaster of a hire Gruden was

Reerun_KC 08-08-2018 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 13501256)
10 million words to say that Gruden is average/mediocre.

How much more is that than super average Andy?

DJ's left nut 08-08-2018 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13664733)
Rumor is the Packers could trade for Mack since they will be clearing money off the books next year from older players and have 2 first rd picks next year.

Donald Penn was asked to take a pay cut and he doesn’t want to so Gruden is rolling with his 1st rd pick.

Drafting a guy in the 1st round who can't pass block was his first problem.

Starting the guy in front of a QB who doesn't handle the rush well is his second.

God I love what Gruden's doing to that franchise. It was a stupid hire from the start but even I never could've fathomed just how stupid it will turn out to be.

This is beautiful.


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