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UChieffyBugger 03-20-2018 04:32 PM

Do we still need a slot WR?
 
Now Wilson has left I'm wondering who will play In the slot? I've heard some guys say "Conley can play there" but from what I understand the guy has not really played on the inside either for the Chiefs or In college? When Wilson didn't play last season the slot position looked quite poor tbh, So I'm thinking Veach will be looking to bring one In. There are some decent prospects In the draft like Keke Coutee, Daesean Hamilton and Anthony Miller to name a few.

Titty Meat 03-20-2018 04:32 PM

Nope

UChieffyBugger 03-20-2018 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 13480334)
Nope

Who plays there then?

ToxSocks 03-20-2018 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 13480337)
Who plays there then?

Reek...Kelce....Watkins. Depends on the package i'd assume.

Sassy Squatch 03-20-2018 04:36 PM

Hill can play everywhere like Brown did early in his career. Conley and Watkins on the outside while Hill creates mismatches.

chinaski 03-20-2018 04:36 PM

Didn't Coutee play with Mahomes at Texas Tech?

UChieffyBugger 03-20-2018 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 13480341)
Reek...Kelce....Watkins. Depends on the package i'd assume.

Do we really want to take Reek and Sam out of the outside? I think getting another quick WR In the slot would cause all sorts of problems because teams simply couldn't cover everyone.

ToxSocks 03-20-2018 04:37 PM

You could but both Conley and Watkins outside, slide Reek into the slot.

You could play both Watkins and Reek outside, slide Kelce into the slot.

I wouldn't worry too much about it. What's important is that we have guys who can win 1v1. It's the coach's job to put them into a position to get that 1v1 matchup. Don't get too hung up over specific position names.

jjchieffan 03-20-2018 04:38 PM

I thought that DAT was going to be the slot receiver?

ToxSocks 03-20-2018 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 13480345)
I think getting another quick WR In the slot would cause all sorts of problems because teams simply couldn't cover everyone.

You'll have that already without a bonafide slot.

UChieffyBugger 03-20-2018 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by chinaski (Post 13480343)
Didn't Coutee play with Mahomes at Texas Tech?

Yep, some highlights HERE and he was Pat's main man at Tech. Chiefs interviewed him at the combine so hope he impressed.

ToxSocks 03-20-2018 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 13480348)
I thought that DAT was going to be the slot receiver?

Doubt it. He's special teamer and every once in awhile a Jet Sweep guy. I'm sure someone will emerge in camp.

UChieffyBugger 03-20-2018 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 13480346)
You could but both Conley and Watkins outside, slide Reek into the slot.

You could play both Watkins and Reek outside, slide Kelce into the slot.

I wouldn't worry too much about it. What's important is that we have guys who can win 1v1. It's the coach's job to put them into a position to get that 1v1 matchup. Don't get too hung up over specific position names.

Not a fan of Conley tbh. I also think getting another quick guy would give us good depth in case of injury to the main guys.

ToxSocks 03-20-2018 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 13480358)
Not a fan of Conley tbh. I also think getting another quick guy would give us good depth in case of injury to the main guys.

I agree, i hope we get another quick footed gadget guy. And i do think they'll get one. I'm totally on board with Coutee. But if they don't, meh, it's ok.

RustShack 03-20-2018 04:48 PM

We have Hill, Watkins, Conley, Robinson, Chesson, and DAT. I think we are pretty set. If we get anyone else it’s through the draft and not early.

Red Dawg 03-20-2018 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13480342)
Hill can play everywhere like Brown did early in his career. Conley and Watkins on the outside while Hill creates mismatches.

Probably the plan.

O.city 03-20-2018 04:50 PM

Put Conley in the slot some

Like Boldin did

RustShack 03-20-2018 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13480373)
Put Conley in the slot some

Like Boldin did

I’m sure Hill, Watkins, Conley, Robinson, DAT, and Kelce will all see some slot action.

penchief 03-20-2018 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 13480354)
Doubt it. He's special teamer and every once in awhile a Jet Sweep guy. I'm sure someone will emerge in camp.

He may not be the designated slot receiver but I think they view Thomas as being able to do many of the same things Wilson was able to do. He looked decent when playing with Mahomes.

Chiefpanther 03-20-2018 05:04 PM

I think chiefs should draft trey Quinn from SMU to play the slot he has great hands and could get him with one of our 4th round picks.

UChieffyBugger 03-20-2018 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefpanther (Post 13480392)
I think chiefs should draft trey Quinn from SMU to play the slot he has great hands and could get him with one of our 4th round picks.

Yeah, that's another good shout. Saw some scout report claim that "he'll go undrafted", but I doubt it.

Mother****erJones 03-20-2018 05:09 PM

Another benefit of Watkins is now Hill can be moved everywhere on the field.

Chris Meck 03-20-2018 05:21 PM

I think the plan will be best player available. Seems they're filling needs in FA.

kccrow 03-20-2018 05:31 PM

I'd say yes, but do keep an eye on Chesson as well as Daniel Braverman.

Hog's Gone Fishin 03-20-2018 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 13480369)
We have Hill, Watkins, Conley, Robinson, Chesson, and DAT. I think we are pretty set. If we get anyone else it’s through the draft and not early.

I'm thinking we got a diamond in the rough on the practice squad that I read somewhere is waiting to bust out that drops NOTHING. The next Amendola/Decker. Seems like his name was Deiter ?????

JakeF 03-20-2018 05:46 PM

Our main focus should be adding talent on the Dline before anything else(including passrusher at RDE)

Watkins in the slot? I would hope he would be our best route runner right now and he has the size to handle the inside game.

Couch-Potato 03-20-2018 05:46 PM

If ONE of our WRs after Watkins and Hill can't learn to play the slot, then we're in trouble. Plenty of capable bodies for the 3 and 4 WR role.

JakeF 03-20-2018 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 13480472)
If ONE of our WRs after Watkins and Hill can't learn to play the slot, then we're in trouble. Plenty of capable bodies for the 3 and 4 WR role.

I still hope that Robinson will develop and push Conley for snaps.

UChieffyBugger 03-20-2018 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 13480472)
If ONE of our WRs after Watkins and Hill can't learn to play the slot, then we're in trouble. Plenty of capable bodies for the 3 and 4 WR role.

But the problem is Conley/Robinson/Chesson are mainly outside WR's and are not built like the typical, small, fast slot Wr's you see these days. So why not just get a kid who fits the mold and has played that position regularly?

JakeF 03-20-2018 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 13480479)
But the problem is Conley/Robinson/Chesson are mainly outside WR's and are not built like the typical, small, fast slot Wr's you see these days. So why not just get a kid who fits the mold and has played that position regularly?

Watkins should be great in the slot with Hill and Conley/Robinson on the outside. I still don't know what is going to happen with Chesson but he is strictly an outside guy in my opinion.

KChiefs1 03-20-2018 05:57 PM

I’d definitely take Coutee if available later.

Kiimo 03-20-2018 06:21 PM

If Anthony Miller falls to us in the second round it is going to be really really hard to pass on him.

He could be an amazing slot receiver and had 18 freaking touchdowns at Memphis last year.

Easy 6 03-20-2018 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 13480341)
Reek...Kelce....Watkins. Depends on the package i'd assume.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13480342)
Hill can play everywhere like Brown did early in his career. Conley and Watkins on the outside while Hill creates mismatches.

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Originally Posted by chinaski (Post 13480343)
Didn't Coutee play with Mahomes at Texas Tech?

The first two gents sum it up, we now have great versatility in the receiver corp... Reek can line up in the slot anytime we need him to, with Conley and Watkins outside

And if Veach uses a low rounder, or even goes UDFA for a guy like Coutee... even better... telling you what now, this young guy Veach is aggressive and he has a definite plan in mind

Chiefshrink 03-20-2018 06:25 PM

We have Hill and DAT as b/u.

Easy 6 03-20-2018 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 13480564)
We have Hill and DAT as b/u.

Its true, the need for a slot guy seems mighty slim right now... but if Veach wanted a dedicated slot, I wouldnt complain about a 6th on Coutee given his familiarity with St Pat

JakeF 03-20-2018 06:30 PM

I guess i'm the only one who really doesn't want Hill on inside unless he's in motion. Keep Hill on the outside and use the bigger guys inside where they can block or go out.

UChieffyBugger 03-20-2018 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 13480572)
I guess i'm the only one who really doesn't want Hill on inside unless he's in motion. Keep Hill on the outside and use the bigger guys inside where they can block or go out.

I agree, having Reek on the inside undermines how dangerous this offense can really be imo because him and Sam on the outside will create major issues for the opposition because they will have to use their safeties to cover them and covering both will be very difficult.

kccrow 03-20-2018 07:52 PM

Chesson played some of his best football at Michigan from the slot or running slot-style routes. He's very quick (6.70 3-cone) and very hard to cover on quick outs/ins, shallow crosses, slants, hitches, etc. I wouldn't rule him out.

Pasta Little Brioni 03-20-2018 08:04 PM

I'm good with the WR depth. Hill, Watkins, Conley, Robinson, Chesson is pretty good.

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-20-2018 09:13 PM

As time goes on, I expect to see the packages in which multiple WR's increase. But for now, I think we're okay.

tmax63 03-21-2018 08:55 AM

Any of the above. AR can play with formations to put the defenses in just about any mismatch he sees. Or get the matchup that he wants to exploit.

Rasputin 03-21-2018 09:00 AM

I have extra confidence in DAT with Patrick slinging his balls all over the field.

JakeF 03-21-2018 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by tmax63 (Post 13481398)
Any of the above. AR can play with formations to put the defenses in just about any mismatch he sees. Or get the matchup that he wants to exploit.

Please don't encourage Andy Reid to play too much. He would be better off just running standard offensive plays and stop being so damn cute all the time.

farmerchief 03-21-2018 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 13481405)
I have extra confidence in DAT with Patrick slinging his balls all over the field.

Im always scared he's going to break when someone hits him!?:deevee:

Sassy Squatch 03-21-2018 09:40 AM

Coutee would be nice if he makes it to the 4th.

SuperBowl4 03-21-2018 09:49 AM

Jordan Mathews would be a nice pick up

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 03-21-2018 09:52 AM

Conley kind of sucks, but so will 95% of rookie receivers.

Simply Red 03-21-2018 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 13480720)
Chesson played some of his best football at Michigan from the slot or running slot-style routes. He's very quick (6.70 3-cone) and very hard to cover on quick outs/ins, shallow crosses, slants, hitches, etc. I wouldn't rule him out.

Does he seem nice?

Beef Supreme 03-21-2018 09:57 AM

Holy shit. Enough with the receivers talk already. Draft a fatty for the O-line at some point, otherwise do something about defense.

thabear04 03-21-2018 10:30 AM

I'll love to see Robinson take that role if he could hopefully he has a break out season.

gonefishin53 03-21-2018 11:27 AM

Unlike the WRs listed in the OP, Dylan Cantrell, Texas Tech, has T. Hill level shuttle (4.03), cone (6.56), verticle (38 1/2), and long jump (10' 10'') numbers but he's 6'3'' and 226 lbs. Played both slot and WR at Tech. He'd add a physical beast, more so than Watkins even, to the WR corp. And he caught 58 passes for 675 yards and 8 TDs from Mahomes in 2016. Currently a 6th round prospect but is rising on draft boards. I'd take him in the 4th if he's available.

thabear04 03-21-2018 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 13481510)
Does he seem nice?

He nice like you.

Simply Red 03-21-2018 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by thabear04 (Post 13481710)
He nice like you.

Thanks - let's do it!

Kiimo 03-21-2018 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperBowl4 (Post 13481501)
Jordan Mathews would be a nice pick up

Jordan Matthews is trash.

RustShack 03-21-2018 01:35 PM

Allen Lazard.

oldman 03-21-2018 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefTablet (Post 13481514)
Holy shit. Enough with the receivers talk already. Draft a fatty for the O-line at some point, otherwise do something about defense.

I agree. We've got Hill and Watkins on the outside, so that leaves Conley, DRob, Kemp, Chesson, and even DAT that could line up there. We also have Braverman and Dieter under contract. Surely one of those 6 can step up to be a reliable slot. LG, FS, and DL should be our focus now.

Simply Red 03-21-2018 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by oldman (Post 13481950)
I agree. We've got Hill and Watkins on the outside, so that leaves Conley, DRob, Kemp, Chesson, and even DAT that could line up there. We also have Braverman and Dieter under contract. Surely one of those 6 can step up to be a reliable slot. LG, FS, and DL should be our focus now.

AND Khunt and Ware

Simply Red 03-21-2018 02:12 PM

& CJ Spiller (don't we?)

Kiimo 03-21-2018 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 13481994)
& CJ Spiller (don't we?)

If not just wait

aturnis 03-21-2018 02:15 PM

I give Conley first crack. He's fast(4.38 40?), good hands, can play every WR position, and his size should create a good matchup.

Reid seems to live him too. Makes me think his lack of production was more about opportunity. Alex never looked to him.

Kiimo 03-21-2018 02:17 PM

Conley is kind of terrible at the kind of routes that slots run though. He seems way more straight-ahead speed kind of guy. The guy who mentioned Chesson might be on to something though.

Chargem 03-21-2018 02:40 PM

I wouldn’t mind another receiver from the draft in the 4th, especially as Reid seems to pretty much sit rookie receivers in year 1, but we probably need to consider a tight end in the 4th too and still need a guard/center type lineman. I’m not sure how I feel about 3 offensive picks, unless it’s all 4th and later and even then I’m not sure.

FloridaMan88 03-21-2018 02:53 PM

Draft Braxton Berrios from Miami.

He'll be available in the later rounds and can contribute on special teams as well.

Simply Red 03-21-2018 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 13481999)
I give Conley first crack. He's fast(4.38 40?), good hands, can play every WR position, and his size should create a good matchup.

Reid seems to live him too. Makes me think his lack of production was more about opportunity. Alex never looked to him.

I live him too - very sweet man!

UChieffyBugger 03-21-2018 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 13482042)
Draft Braxton Berrios from Miami.

He'll be available in the later rounds and can contribute on special teams as well.

Yeah he reminds me of Amandola tbh. I've got my eye on him and Trey Quinn If they can't get Keke Coutee. Though no doubt Big Bill might hoover up these white slot guys before we can even blink :D.

kccrow 03-21-2018 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 13481510)
Does he seem nice?

Well, he's not on the niceness level you are, but he's also no Belcher.

Titty Meat 03-21-2018 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 13482006)
Conley is kind of terrible at the kind of routes that slots run though. He seems way more straight-ahead speed kind of guy. The guy who mentioned Chesson might be on to something though.

You would slide Watkins to the slot or Kelce with the possible signing of Watson

Couch-Potato 03-21-2018 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 13480476)
I still hope that Robinson will develop and push Conley for snaps.

Me as well! They both bring something different however, and we may not need Robinson's deep balls with Watkins and Hill out there. A big, tall WR similar to Kelce would be another route to go.

Chiefshrink 03-21-2018 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 13481926)
Allen Lazard.

Guy is a gamer for sure.:thumb:

Easy 6 03-21-2018 06:34 PM

When listing all of the needs across this defense, it becomes pretty clear that a slot receiver is the very last thing on Brett Veach' mind... be it Reek, Kelce, or Chesson, we have multiple options for that spot

Other than LG, this offense is as loaded as it can get for 2018... this draft will be defense, Defense, DEFENSE

RunKC 03-21-2018 06:39 PM

Hell just rotate Kelce, Hill and Watkins out of the slot on every down. It will be a goddamn struggle for any team to cover that.

Also we did sign Daniel Braverman to a futures contract. He’s a nice quick white dude like Julian Edelman.

Hog's Gone Fishin 03-21-2018 06:51 PM

What about this Deiter kid we have on the practice squad. I saw a clip where he could be our slot with great hands. He doesn't drop anything.

Easy 6 03-21-2018 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13482330)
Hell just rotate Kelce, Hill and Watkins out of the slot on every down. It will be a goddamn struggle for any team to cover that.

Also we did sign Daniel Braverman to a futures contract. He’s a nice quick white dude like Julian Edelman.

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Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 13482336)
What about this Deiter kid we have on the practice squad. I saw a clip where he could be our slot with great hands. He doesn't drop anything.

Lets just combine those two and call him Dieter Braverman :D

rabblerouser 03-21-2018 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 13480553)
If Anthony Miller falls to us in the second round it is going to be really really hard to pass on him.

He could be an amazing slot receiver and had 18 freaking touchdowns at Memphis last year.

That talent AND under a rookie deal.

Yes.

Cut DAT on June 1 for his roster spot.

DaneMcCloud 03-21-2018 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 13480348)
I thought that DAT was going to be the slot receiver?

Why would you or anyone "think" that?

The guy probably starts the year on the PUP.

DaneMcCloud 03-21-2018 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 13480369)
We have Hill, Watkins, Conley, Robinson, Chesson, and DAT. I think we are pretty set. If we get anyone else it’s through the draft and not early.

I don't give a flying **** what anyone else thinks but Robinson ****ing sucks ass.

He rounds off his routes and his hands or shaky.

DaneMcCloud 03-21-2018 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 13481882)
Jordan Matthews is trash.

If Matthews is trash (and I'm not disagreeing), Demarcus Robinson is a trash truck.

He's pure ****ing garbage.

I don't understand why anyone believes he'll be worth a shit in 2018.

Marcus Kemp has WAY more upside.

DaneMcCloud 03-21-2018 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 13482006)
Conley is kind of terrible at the kind of routes that slots run though. He seems way more straight-ahead speed kind of guy. The guy who mentioned Chesson might be on to something though.

Actually, Conley should be in the slot running patterns over the middle.

He's a big guy and is a good possession receiver.

He and Kelce would be a mismatch for most linebackers.

DaneMcCloud 03-21-2018 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 13482358)
Cut DAT on June 1 for his roster spot.

The Chiefs just gave him a $90k signing bonus and he's unable to work out at this point.

I'll be surprised if he's even active before Week 10.

That leg injury was gruesome.

UChieffyBugger 03-21-2018 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13482366)
If Matthews is trash (and I'm not disagreeing), Demarcus Robinson is a trash truck.

He's pure ****ing garbage.

I don't understand why anyone believes he'll be worth a shit in 2018.

Marcus Kemp has WAY more upside.

Why you hating on Robinson? For one the kid barely got thrown to by Alex despite making a habit of getting open on countless occasions. Secondly what was his best game for the Chiefs? Oh yeah, the playoff game where he caught four balls within a minute, the fourth catch leading to a TD. He's a kid who's clearly got potential and is still learning his trade, no need to rag on him. The likes of Adam Thielan didn't do much In his first few years In the league but last season he was a sensation. Just need to have a little patience.


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