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Quesadilla Joe 01-03-2018 06:28 PM

Sam Darnold is entering the NFL
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/USC?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#USC</a> QB Sam Darnold is declaring for the NFL Draft. First Josh Rosen, now Darnold. <a href="https://t.co/U9oYX6mI2k">https://t.co/U9oYX6mI2k</a></p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/948710907500261376?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 4, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Spoiler!

Sassy Squatch 01-03-2018 06:36 PM

Glad common sense won out in the end for his sake. Made no sense to stay.

TigeRRUppeRRcut 01-03-2018 06:37 PM

Browns?

BryanBusby 01-03-2018 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13328843)
Glad common sense won out in the end for his sake. Made no sense to stay.

Not going to Cleveland is all the reason to stay.

Quesadilla Joe 01-03-2018 06:42 PM

Mother#@%* you John Dorsey!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I be stunned if Darnold is not the first pick in the draft. And Dorsey won’t trade away from him.</p>&mdash; Michael Lombardi (@mlombardiNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/mlombardiNFL/status/948714871935459328?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 4, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Sassy Squatch 01-03-2018 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 13328864)
Not going to Cleveland is all the reason to stay.

Matt Barkley is the reason to GTFO.

Sassy Squatch 01-03-2018 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe (Post 13328867)
Mother#@%* you John Dorsey!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I be stunned if Darnold is not the first pick in the draft. And Dorsey won’t trade away from him.</p>&mdash; Michael Lombardi (@mlombardiNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/mlombardiNFL/status/948714871935459328?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 4, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Don't worry. You're about to make Kirk Cousins even richer.

The Franchise 01-03-2018 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe (Post 13328867)
Mother#@%* you John Dorsey!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I be stunned if Darnold is not the first pick in the draft. And Dorsey won’t trade away from him.</p>&mdash; Michael Lombardi (@mlombardiNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/mlombardiNFL/status/948714871935459328?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 4, 2018</a></blockquote>
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I'm going to laugh when the Browns go with Darnold at #1, the Giants take Rosen at #2 and the Jets trade with the Browns to hop the Broncos and take Mayfield. Have fun with Josh Allen. ROFL

SAUTO 01-03-2018 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe (Post 13328867)
Mother#@%* you John Dorsey!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I be stunned if Darnold is not the first pick in the draft. And Dorsey won’t trade away from him.</p>&mdash; Michael Lombardi (@mlombardiNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/mlombardiNFL/status/948714871935459328?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 4, 2018</a></blockquote>
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21 turnovers? They need smith to mentor him for sure

Bewbies 01-03-2018 06:49 PM

So 4 QB's in the 1st? Not one I'd even pretend to want over Mahomes?

pugsnotdrugs19 01-03-2018 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 13328893)
I'm going to laugh when the Browns go with Darnold at #1, the Giants take Rosen at #2 and the Jets trade with the Browns to hop the Broncos and take Mayfield. Have fun with Josh Allen. ROFL

They're gonna pay up for Kirk anyways I bet... now that will be really funny

The Franchise 01-03-2018 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13328900)
They're gonna pay up for Kirk anyways I bet... now that will be really funny

I hope they do give Cousins $20+ million a season.

Bewbies 01-03-2018 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 13328908)
I hope they do give Cousins $20+ million a season.

It'll be north of $25,000,000 per. And if he's a free agent it's probably more like 6 years $170,000,000.

Contract that big might come with more than $50,000,000 just to sign.

Hammock Parties 01-03-2018 06:58 PM

Another QB who got Clayed.

Sad!

Titty Meat 01-03-2018 06:58 PM

I trust whatever Dorsey does honestly

KChiefs1 01-03-2018 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAUTO (Post 13328895)
21 turnovers? They need smith to mentor him for sure


Wouldn't be shocked if Alex played for one year in Cleveland so the rookie can sit a season.

staylor26 01-03-2018 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe (Post 13328867)
Mother#@%* you John Dorsey!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I be stunned if Darnold is not the first pick in the draft. And Dorsey won’t trade away from him.</p>&mdash; Michael Lombardi (@mlombardiNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/mlombardiNFL/status/948714871935459328?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 4, 2018</a></blockquote>
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I already told you this. It was obvious.

pugsnotdrugs19 01-03-2018 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 13328917)
It'll be north of $25,000,000 per. And if he's a free agent it's probably more like 6 years $170,000,000.

Contract that big might come with more than $50,000,000 just to sign.

Wooo. Damn, you know it's possible.

I just have to think these teams would draw the line somewhere. Surely there isn't one team stupid enough or desperate enough to let Kirk Cousins make more than $25M per year. Don't you have to draw the line at some point and say there's no way in hell we're paying that guy that much?

Quesadilla Joe 01-03-2018 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 13328947)
I already told you this. It was obvious.

Darnold could still pull an Eli.

Chiefnj2 01-03-2018 07:08 PM

They have no idea what Dorsey will do.

I don't see Darnold as a top 10 pick

Red Dawg 01-03-2018 07:11 PM

Good for the Browns. Roll the dice again baby and take him. They won't though. I promise Dorsey wants that Wyoming kid before Darnold.

pugsnotdrugs19 01-03-2018 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 13328961)
They have no idea what Dorsey will do.

I don't see Darnold as a top 10 pick

He's got a ways to go. He'd be perfect for pairing with a veteran stop-gap..

RunKC 01-03-2018 07:12 PM

Glad Denver decided to beat NY and Indy.

Can’t wait to see them pay Cousins the farm.

FloridaMan88 01-03-2018 07:12 PM

The next USC QB bust in the NFL.

DaneMcCloud 01-03-2018 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 13328930)
I trust whatever Dorsey does honestly

Yeah, he did a great job of identifying Tyler Bray, Aaron Murray and Kevin Hogan.

Stud.

Bewbies 01-03-2018 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13328951)
Wooo. Damn, you know it's possible.

I just have to think these teams would draw the line somewhere. Surely there isn't one team stupid enough or desperate enough to let Kirk Cousins make more than $25M per year. Don't you have to draw the line at some point and say there's no way in hell we're paying that guy that much?

Anyone think he's not worth at least what Carr and Stafford got? And then you get to add the fact there will be more than one bidder, and inflation, and increasing cap numbers. And you have to put a contract together the Redskins can't match...

Sassy Squatch 01-03-2018 07:19 PM

If I was Cousins I would be making the Redskins outbid everyone else. **** letting them match.

NJChiefsFan 01-03-2018 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe (Post 13328956)
Darnold could still pull an Eli.

And ironically end up where Eli ended up.

pugsnotdrugs19 01-03-2018 07:22 PM

I actually think Washington just lets him walk.. maybe a lowball offer. They don't want him that bad, and their coach made it clear in his season ending presser.

'Hamas' Jenkins 01-03-2018 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 13328893)
I'm going to laugh when the Browns go with Darnold at #1, the Giants take Rosen at #2 and the Jets trade with the Browns to hop the Broncos and take Mayfield. Have fun with Josh Allen. ROFL

Are the Broncos being relegated to the Arena League, because that's the only way I see Mayfield being a successful pro?


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And Lombardi is the CoMo of NFL front office talking heads. That guy doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. Him saying Darnold is #1 overall is a kiss of death.

Why Not? 01-03-2018 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 13328899)
So 4 QB's in the 1st? Not one I'd even pretend to want over Mahomes?

Not even close

Red Dawg 01-03-2018 07:39 PM

I agree. Mahomed had massive talent.

ChiefsCountry 01-03-2018 07:50 PM

Two scenarios I could see happening at #1:

Cleveland swapping picks with Denver
Indianapolis swapping with Cleveland, Denver trades its pick for Andrew Luck.

NJChiefsFan 01-03-2018 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13328972)
Yeah, he did a great job of identifying Tyler Bray, Aaron Murray and Kevin Hogan.

Stud.

That's not really fair is it? Tyler Bray was a flyer and they said as much. Kevin Hogan was another later round pick. He also did draft Mahomes. Is it really fair to claim scouts picked Mahomes yet lay all other picks at Dorsey's feet?

BryanBusby 01-03-2018 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13328874)
Matt Barkley is the reason to GTFO.

Beyond both of them being at USC they are nothing alike.

Chiefshrink 01-03-2018 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13328967)
He's got a ways to go. He'd be perfect for pairing with a veteran stop-gap..

Agreed. Seems USC QBs have not faired well since Palmer and to your point many scouts thought Sanchez should stay but Sanchez didn't want that rookie cap to hit him the following year so why not "steal" the $$.:D

Don't follow college is Darnold better than Sanchez at this point coming out ?

BryanBusby 01-03-2018 08:15 PM

Darnold has the most talent from a USC QB since Palmer, but I think Sanchez was more ready for the pros.

He just had the misfortune of learning from a blackhole of suck known as Brian Schottenheimer.

DaneMcCloud 01-03-2018 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 13329063)
That's not really fair is it? Tyler Bray was a flyer and they said as much. Kevin Hogan was another later round pick. He also did draft Mahomes. Is it really fair to claim scouts picked Mahomes yet lay all other picks at Dorsey's feet?

Yeah, I think it's fair. Actually, more than fair.

Reid was extremely involved with the Mahomes pick, as he was with the Kareem Hunt pic.

As a matter of fact, looking back on what transpired in the 2017 offseason, with drafting both of those guys, juxtapositioned with letting Poe walk, signing Bennie Logan to an $8 million dollar deal, then cutting Maclin, there are two signs of the coin happening.

Andy Reid on one side (the winner!) and John Dorsey on the other (the loser!).

Good riddance, Dorsey.

Cleveland suits you perfectly.

ptlyon 01-03-2018 08:17 PM

As said in planes trains and automobiles, "well, I guess you're ****ed"

DaneMcCloud 01-03-2018 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 13329122)
Darnold has the most talent from a USC QB since Palmer, but I think Sanchez was more ready for the pros.

He just had the misfortune of learning from a blackhole of suck known as Brian Schottenheimer.

I just don't see it with Darnold. He's so incredibly inconsistent.

Allen is the second coming of Jake Locker, IMO.

Rosen is a stud QB but from all reports, a dickhead in the mold of Jay Cutler.

I've never liked this class, dating back to January 2017.

NJChiefsFan 01-03-2018 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13329125)
Yeah, I think it's fair. Actually, more than fair.

Reid was extremely involved with the Mahomes pick, as he was with the Kareem Hunt pic.

As a matter of fact, looking back on what transpired in the 2017 offseason, with drafting both of those guys, juxtapositioned with letting Poe walk, signing Bennie Logan to an $8 million dollar deal, then cutting Maclin, there are two signs of the coin happening.

Andy Reid on one side (the winner!) and John Dorsey on the other (the loser!).

Good riddance, Dorsey.

Cleveland suits you perfectly.

But how does Reid being involved mean that Dorsey had nothing to do with it? Reid wasn't involved with the Bray, Murray, and Hogan picks? I remember Reid being very high on Bray.

Chiefshrink 01-03-2018 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 13329009)
Are the Broncos being relegated to the Arena League, because that's the only way I see Mayfield being a successful pro?


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And Lombardi is the CoMo of NFL front office talking heads. That guy doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. Him saying Darnold is #1 overall is a kiss of death.

IF Mayfield goes to team who really knows how to develop QBs, I see him as the next Russell Wilson but if not he is hosed because he really runs the equivalency of a high school offense at OU IMHO. But the guy has a ton of potential IF he can grasp the NFL QB position. His arm is not quite as strong as Wilson's and nor as mature as Wilson character wise but at least he is not Manziel either.

Sassy Squatch 01-03-2018 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 13329090)
Beyond both of them being at USC they are nothing alike.

I meant he's the reason you don't stay. Barkley got hurt and tanked his stock. There's a lot more to lose then to gain by staying.

DaneMcCloud 01-03-2018 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 13329136)
But how does Reid being involved mean that Dorsey had nothing to do with it? Reid wasn't involved with the Bray, Murray, and Hogan picks? I remember Reid being very high on Bray.

Reid being "high" on a street free agent is one thing.

Dorsey had ZERO interaction at Texas Tech with the admin, coaching staff and their coach, Kliff Kingsbury.

Murray and Hogan were Dorsey picks and Dorsey ****ed up (as I said on Draft Day and since) in that he took Murray, who's out of the league, one pick before McCarron, who teams got into a bidding war over this past season.

Andy Reid has had FAR MORE impact since taking over this shit franchise than John Dorsey and it isn't even close.

SAUTO 01-03-2018 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 13329136)
But how does Reid being involved mean that Dorsey had nothing to do with it? Reid wasn't involved with the Bray, Murray, and Hogan picks? I remember Reid being very high on Bray.

Bray was undrafted

BryanBusby 01-03-2018 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13329138)
I meant he's the reason you don't stay. Barkley got hurt and tanked his stock. There's a lot more to lose then to gain by staying.

Disagree with all this.

Barkley mostly fell because teams figured out he was quite limited with talent, and Darnold doesn't have that problem.

Darnold isn't a lock to go #1 overall exactly and could stand to learn a lot more at school. Having Hue Jackson develop you is a nightmare situation.

DaneMcCloud 01-03-2018 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 13329137)
I see him as the next Russell Wilson

Russell Wilson didn't need "developing".

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NJChiefsFan 01-03-2018 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAUTO (Post 13329149)
Bray was undrafted

I know. I really meant pickups/picks.

Titty Meat 01-03-2018 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13328972)
Yeah, he did a great job of identifying Tyler Bray, Aaron Murray and Kevin Hogan.

Stud.

Mahomes, Kelce, LDT, Fulton, Hunt, Hill, etc.

Reerun_KC 01-03-2018 10:12 PM

Mayfield is the next Ryan leaf.

Hammock Parties 01-03-2018 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Servant_KC (Post 13329437)
Mayfield is the next Ryan leaf.

I think he's gonna be like a version of Johnny Football who isn't completely void of character. Although who knows if he gets big money.

He'll probably rattle around the league for awhile as a backup unless some team is dumb enough to draft him high and hand him the keys.

Reerun_KC 01-03-2018 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13329447)
I think he's gonna be like a version of Johnny Football who isn't completely void of character.

He'll probably rattle around the league for awhile as a backup if some team is dumb enough to draft him high and hand him the keys.



He’s a class A dbag and has the Ryan leaf attitude.

'Hamas' Jenkins 01-03-2018 10:20 PM

The only thing Mayfield has in common with Wilson is size. His arm isn't as good, he's not as mobile, and he doesn't have any time in a pro-style offense.

Chiefshrink 01-03-2018 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13329156)
Russell Wilson didn't need "developing".

Seriously ?:rolleyes: Some rookies come in more developed than others BUT NO ROOKIE QB comes into the league "FULLY DEVELOPED".:shake: Every rookie needs "developing" regardless of smarts, committment and athletic talent. Yes he had a very good rookie year as a starter but the OC and defense greatly protected him until he got "fully developed". Very much the same situation for Ben in Pitt his rookie year.

pugsnotdrugs19 01-03-2018 10:51 PM

You know, even though I've never liked the whole premise of denying an NFL team of drafting you, I do begin to understand the player's POV as I think about it more...

Because obviously we know that each QB who enters the league has a floor and a ceiling. Everyone talks about them in that manner. For example...

Patrick Mahomes was said by many to have the ceiling of Brett Favre or Aaron Rodgers. Well, that might be true, but if every single NFL team thought that they could get him to reach that ceiling, he would have went #1 overall easily. Problem is, most organizations probably couldn't provide him the proper situation to allow him to become his best self. This is why the kid falls to pick 10, where the Chiefs obviously came into play. With Andy Reid, Alex Smith, and the weapons in place on this roster, the Chiefs probably provided Patrick the best odds to reach that Favre/Rodgers ceiling IMHO.

Just as Tom Brady wouldn't be Tom Brady without BB. How Eli Manning probably never reaches or wins a SB with the Chargers. How Aaron Rodgers may never be quite as great as he is if not given the luxury of development under Favre.

Odds are, Darnold, Rosen, or any of these QBs are not going to max out their potential in Cleveland. Maybe not even close. So if they want to tell Dorsey to **** off, I won't blame them.

Pasta Little Brioni 01-03-2018 11:23 PM

None of these guys are even in Mahomes league as a pro prospect. Denver is going to get a piece of shit like Allen ROFL

NWTF 01-04-2018 01:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 13329150)
Disagree with all this.

Barkley mostly fell because teams figured out he was quite limited with talent, and Darnold doesn't have that problem.

Darnold isn't a lock to go #1 overall exactly and could stand to learn a lot more at school. Having Hue Jackson develop you is a nightmare situation.

Well the Browns being the Browns they will probably decide this is the year to draft their QB and will take the guy who made it clear he didnt want to go there. Rosen.

Titty Meat 01-04-2018 01:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13329519)
You know, even though I've never liked the whole premise of denying an NFL team of drafting you, I do begin to understand the player's POV as I think about it more...

Because obviously we know that each QB who enters the league has a floor and a ceiling. Everyone talks about them in that manner. For example...

Patrick Mahomes was said by many to have the ceiling of Brett Favre or Aaron Rodgers. Well, that might be true, but if every single NFL team thought that they could get him to reach that ceiling, he would have went #1 overall easily. Problem is, most organizations probably couldn't provide him the proper situation to allow him to become his best self. This is why the kid falls to pick 10, where the Chiefs obviously came into play. With Andy Reid, Alex Smith, and the weapons in place on this roster, the Chiefs probably provided Patrick the best odds to reach that Favre/Rodgers ceiling IMHO.

Just as Tom Brady wouldn't be Tom Brady without BB. How Eli Manning probably never reaches or wins a SB with the Chargers. How Aaron Rodgers may never be quite as great as he is if not given the luxury of development under Favre.

Odds are, Darnold, Rosen, or any of these QBs are not going to max out their potential in Cleveland. Maybe not even close. So if they want to tell Dorsey to **** off, I won't blame them.

Why not? Are you denying that Dorsey is a capable GM of acquiring talent? When's the last time Cleveland had that?

Frosty 01-04-2018 02:40 AM

Darnold = Sanchez 2.0. Should have stayed in school another year since he has less than two seasons of starts and this last season wasn't terribly impressive.

Rosen seems to have a little Ryan Leaf in him. Loads of talent but a self-centered asshole (seemingly).

The Jake Locker comparison for Allen is apt, imo. Too inconsistent and inaccurate.

The rest are meh.

CupidStunt 01-04-2018 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Servant_KC (Post 13329437)
Mayfield is the next Ryan leaf.

No because he won't go nearly that high. And unlike Leaf, people don't EXPECT Mayfield to be good in the NFL. He's an immature midget with a bad arm, and most can see that.

RunKC 01-04-2018 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 13329709)
Why not? Are you denying that Dorsey is a capable GM of acquiring talent? When's the last time Cleveland had that?

Hue Jackson is a terrible coach

RunKC 01-04-2018 09:02 AM

Something else to think about: Sam Darnold would be the 2nd youngest QB to start a game since the merger.

Even more reason to get Alex and have him start a year.

Mile High Mania 01-04-2018 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13329885)
Something else to think about: Sam Darnold would be the 2nd youngest QB to start a game since the merger.

Even more reason to get Alex and have him start a year.

I just don't see a team, unless CLE and all those picks wants to do it, that is going to spend a top pick on Darnold and then trade a R2 and something else if that's the going price, for a 1 year Alex.

Mile High Mania 01-04-2018 09:13 AM

I think the Jags are the trading partner... believe I read on here yesterday they an move on from Bortles, take Alex and come out ahead on the cap. They pick late R1, so maybe they give KC their late R2? I dunno... but I think they would be an ideal place for Alex to land and maybe plan for him to play out the next 1-3 years, potentially.

BlackHelicopters 01-04-2018 09:15 AM

Darnold has been underwhelming in games I watched. His O Line was poor. Less than average mobility. The NFL today needs a highly mobile QB.

RunKC 01-04-2018 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 13329897)
I just don't see a team, unless CLE and all those picks wants to do it, that is going to spend a top pick on Darnold and then trade a R2 and something else if that's the going price, for a 1 year Alex.

I think it would be a very bad idea for Cleveland to draft Darnold and throw him in there at that age to be the savior.

I see what you’re saying though and it is realistic. I could see a more probable situation of Nagy being hired by a team like Arizona with no QB and taking Alex with him.

pugsnotdrugs19 01-04-2018 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13329885)
Something else to think about: Sam Darnold would be the 2nd youngest QB to start a game since the merger.

Even more reason to get Alex and have him start a year.

He and Rosen both are going to be just 21 throughout their rookie seasons. Crazy.

Mile High Mania 01-04-2018 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13329929)
I think it would be a very bad idea for Cleveland to draft Darnold and throw him in there at that age to be the savior.

I see what you’re saying though and it is realistic. I could see a more probable situation of Nagy being hired by a team like Arizona with no QB and taking Alex with him.

AZ is a player there too.. they pick at 15. So, will be interesting.

pugsnotdrugs19 01-04-2018 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 13329709)
Why not? Are you denying that Dorsey is a capable GM of acquiring talent? When's the last time Cleveland had that?

Not at all. But it's going to take more than a GM who acquires talent to maximize the QBs potential.

Just imagine if Cleveland had taken Patrick or Deshaun last year. No way they have as good of an experience their rookie years as they did in KC and Houston. They would have been thrown into the fire by Hue Jackson, only to fail because the team is in such rough shape. The coaching is questionable at best.

Sassy Squatch 01-04-2018 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 13329897)
I just don't see a team, unless CLE and all those picks wants to do it, that is going to spend a top pick on Darnold and then trade a R2 and something else if that's the going price, for a 1 year Alex.

Hue Jackson had to be sabotaged by his prior front office to not give up a 2 and 3 for McCarron. All it takes is 1 dumb and desperate team.

jaa1025 01-04-2018 03:50 PM

I'm so glad the Chiefs drafted Mahomes. This class is severely overrated. The only one I'd even consider with the first pick is Darnold but he'd need a year to sit. Rosen is by far the most polished and ready but his mental makeup, attitude and concussion history scares the hell out of me.

gblowfish 01-04-2018 05:00 PM

I watches his Bowl Game. I was not impressed. He reminded me of Andy Dalton.


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