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listopencil 10-11-2017 09:51 PM

Jack Ryan TV Series
 
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I like the look of it. I think John Krasinski can pull it off.

DaneMcCloud 10-11-2017 10:21 PM

I can’t remember if I mentioned this series but I’ve been psyched about it for at least 18 months.

Krasinski is going to kill it at Jack Ryan.

This is going to be an amazing series.

007 10-11-2017 10:27 PM

good grief, he looks like Zach Levi with that haircut. LMAO

patteeu 10-11-2017 10:30 PM

Looks good to me!

listopencil 10-11-2017 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13143780)
I can’t remember if I mentioned this series but I’ve been psyched about it for at least 18 months.

Krasinski is going to kill it at Jack Ryan.

This is going to be an amazing series.

I just stumbled across the trailer/preview while wandering around on YouTube. It's definitely one of my favorite fictional characters and I think Krasinski comes across well as Ryan in this little bit that I've seen. I thought Alec Baldwin was decent enough in The Hunt For Red October but I haven't really been pleased with anyone doing Ryan since then.

L.A. Chieffan 10-12-2017 12:10 PM

Nice, Bunk is in it. I'll watch.

unlurking 10-12-2017 12:43 PM

Definitely will watch, but may take a few episodes before I stop seeing Jim from the Office.

Deberg_1990 10-12-2017 03:46 PM

Meh

Little interest

DaneMcCloud 10-12-2017 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 13143804)
I just stumbled across the trailer/preview while wandering around on YouTube. It's definitely one of my favorite fictional characters and I think Krasinski comes across well as Ryan in this little bit that I've seen. I thought Alec Baldwin was decent enough in The Hunt For Red October but I haven't really been pleased with anyone doing Ryan since then.

I LOVE The Hunt For Red October. The acting, script and direction are top notch. It's one of those movies for me that when it comes on, regardless of the time of day or night, I just have to watch it. Alec Baldwin admitted recently that he really screwed up in letting that role go. As much as I like Harrison Ford, he just wasn't Jack Ryan to me.

I'm probably in the minority but I didn't mind Ben Affleck or Chris Pine as Jack Ryan. But I think that this is the perfect format for Jack Ryan - 10-13 episode seasons on a network like Amazon.

Kraskinki's a fantastic actor and I think he'll do the part justice.

listopencil 10-12-2017 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13145152)
I LOVE The Hunt For Red October. The acting, script and direction are top notch. It's one of those movies for me that when it comes on, regardless of the time of day or night, I just have to watch it. Alec Baldwin admitted recently that he really screwed up in letting that role go. As much as I like Harrison Ford, he just wasn't Jack Ryan to me.

I'm probably in the minority but I didn't mind Ben Affleck or Chris Pine as Jack Ryan. But I think that this is the perfect format for Jack Ryan - 10-13 episode seasons on a network like Amazon.

Kraskinki's a fantastic actor and I think he'll do the part justice.

Oh, yeah. One of my favorite movies. I read most of Clancy's stuff back in the 80's/90's. I got to attend a seminar hosted by someone who consulted him on the book, regarding the real incident that the book was based on. Fun stuff. On of my more enjoyable USNR duty weekends. So when the movie came out, and it had Sean Connery in it, that was just too much to pass up.

I still don't think anyone has really nailed Jack Ryan yet but I enjoyed Baldwin's take. I didn't mind the other actors really...I just wasn't all that impressed with their interpretations. Not so much a negative reaction to them, a just a "meh." But something about Krasinski in that trailer. I just have this feeling that he's nailing it.

keg in kc 06-13-2018 11:10 AM

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Raiderhater 06-15-2018 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13145152)
I LOVE The Hunt For Red October. The acting, script and direction are top notch. It's one of those movies for me that when it comes on, regardless of the time of day or night, I just have to watch it. Alec Baldwin admitted recently that he really screwed up in letting that role go. As much as I like Harrison Ford, he just wasn't Jack Ryan to me.

I'm probably in the minority but I didn't mind Ben Affleck or Chris Pine as Jack Ryan. But I think that this is the perfect format for Jack Ryan - 10-13 episode seasons on a network like Amazon.

Kraskinki's a fantastic actor and I think he'll do the part justice.



The Hunt For Red October was excellent because it remained fairly loyal to the book and because Baldwin captured the essence of Ryann - an analyst pushed into an action scenario. Ford is an excellent actor who probably captured that essence as well, but do to his history as an action type actor it is hard for me to not see him as such. I still enjoyed the films he played Ryan in, but think they would have been better with Baldwin (and staying closer the source material).

CoMoChief 06-16-2018 10:40 AM

Is Dr. Steve Piecznik the real-life individual Jack Ryan was based from?

Kyle DeLexus 09-01-2018 07:07 PM

Anyone watching yet? I'm a few episodes in and have been underwhelmed thus far. I'm new to the Jack Ryan character so I'd like to hear from someone who is a fan of the character. I do like Krasinski.

BigRedChief 09-01-2018 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Kyle DeLexus (Post 13704330)
Anyone watching yet? I'm a few episodes in and have been underwhelmed thus far. I'm new to the Jack Ryan character so I'd like to hear from someone who is a fan of the character. I do like Krasinski.

I've read most of the Jack Ryan books. Some of the dialog is taken direct from the books. Some events are the same but changed to Muslims and terroists instead of Russians when the books were written in the 80’s. 4 episodes in so far.

Buehler445 09-01-2018 11:17 PM

2 in. Never read the books.

I like it. The antagonist is a hell of an interesting character same with Ryan and his supervisor - he’ll if I can remember his name. Production value is really good. They must have spent a mint on this bastard.

Has me hooked anyway.

And my God. **** the Middle East. Yikes.

Baby Lee 09-02-2018 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 13704682)
2 in. Never read the books.

I like it. The antagonist is a hell of an interesting character same with Ryan and his supervisor - he’ll if I can remember his name. Production value is really good. They must have spent a mint on this bastard.

Has me hooked anyway.

And my God. **** the Middle East. Yikes.

Wendell Pierce? Or James Greer?

It's the part James Earl Jones played in the Clancy movies.

Character was a Vice Admiral who retired and was appointed Deputy Director of CIA.

He was named for a Vice Admiral of the Union Army. Career military notable for securing the Mississippi river in the war. USS Greer commissioned in his name.

Pogue 09-02-2018 03:12 AM

Very good cast and writing. A Cathy Ryan nudie scene doesn’t hurt either.

BigRedChief 09-02-2018 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Pogue (Post 13704741)
Very good cast and writing. A Cathy Ryan nudie scene doesn’t hurt either.

Nude scene? Barely a brief glance at the boobage in the shadows? If Prime wants to compete with Showtime, Netflix and HBO it needs to step up its naked female game. :rolleyes:

Simply Red 09-02-2018 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Pogue (Post 13704741)
Very good cast and writing. A Cathy Ryan nudie scene doesn’t hurt either.

How do you have 4,500 posts and I literally don't remember ever seeing a single post of yours? Did you get a name change?

keg in kc 09-02-2018 04:46 PM

Just finished it. Really good, start to finish. Next up, Ozark.

Great Expectations 09-02-2018 07:26 PM

Damn, I confused Ryan with Reacher. I really enjoyed a lot of the Jack Reacher novels and they’d make a great series. Tom Cruise be damned, I had this on the top of my playlist. Now I’m back to season two of Ozark.

Deberg_1990 09-02-2018 08:09 PM

So whos the best Jack Ryan?

Alec Baldwin
Harrison Ford
Ben Affleck
Chris Pine
John Kransinski

???

Pogue 09-02-2018 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 13705033)
How do you have 4,500 posts and I literally don't remember ever seeing a single post of yours? Did you get a name change?

No name change, I almost exclusively post in the D.C. forum.

Kyle DeLexus 09-03-2018 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Great Expectations (Post 13705666)
Damn, I confused Ryan with Reacher. I really enjoyed a lot of the Jack Reacher novels and they’d make a great series. Tom Cruise be damned, I had this on the top of my playlist. Now I’m back to season two of Ozark.

A series like this would be great for Mitch Rapp. The American Assassin movie did not do the books justice.

Kyle DeLexus 09-03-2018 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 13705476)
Just finished it. Really good, start to finish. Next up, Ozark.

I finished it as well and it was really good. My initial thought that I was underwhelming was due to the subtitles. Once I got used to actually sitting and reading a large part of the dialog, it was really good.

Randallflagg 09-03-2018 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Kyle DeLexus (Post 13704330)
Anyone watching yet? I'm a few episodes in and have been underwhelmed thus far. I'm new to the Jack Ryan character so I'd like to hear from someone who is a fan of the character. I do like Krasinski.


Yeah, binge watched it this week….I'm really sort of torn about it. It wasn't bad….but it wasn't that good, either (at least to me)..

Clyde Frog 09-04-2018 08:48 AM

I can’t do it. I tried but JK will always be “Jim” from “The Office” to me and I can’t take this show seriously. <blankly staring directly at camera and lifting eyebrows>


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BigRedChief 09-04-2018 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Clyde Frog (Post 13707707)
I can’t do it. I tried but JK will always be “Jim” from “The Office” to me and I can’t take this show seriously. <blankly staring="" directly="" at="" camera="" and="" lifting="" eyebrows="">


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He does a good job with this role.
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BigRedChief 09-04-2018 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Kyle DeLexus (Post 13706267)
I finished it as well and it was really good. My initial thought that I was underwhelming was due to the subtitles. Once I got used to actually sitting and reading a large part of the dialog, it was really good.

Finished. Yeah there is a lot of reading dialog. Thats the trend though. It has always been weird when non-native speakers are speaking English when no one in the scene speaks English as a first language.

The other issue some may have that are not familiar with the books is that in the Jack Ryan books there is action scenes but were never "Mission Impossible" or "Jason Bourne" action driven first stories.

Kyle DeLexus 09-04-2018 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Clyde Frog (Post 13707707)
I can’t do it. I tried but JK will always be “Jim” from “The Office” to me and I can’t take this show seriously. <blankly staring directly at camera and lifting eyebrows>


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ShowtimeSBMVP 09-05-2018 10:13 AM

This was great!!!!

listopencil 09-06-2018 03:46 PM

Well, that was pretty good. I enjoyed it.

Beef Supreme 09-08-2018 08:17 AM

Finished it last night. Thought it was very solid.

listopencil 09-10-2018 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 13707743)
Finished. Yeah there is a lot of reading dialog. Thats the trend though. It has always been weird when non-native speakers are speaking English when no one in the scene speaks English as a first language.

The other issue some may have that are not familiar with the books is that in the Jack Ryan books there is action scenes but were never "Mission Impossible" or "Jason Bourne" action driven first stories.


Reminded me of Babylon Berlin, which has been confirmed for another season.

Bweb 09-12-2018 01:33 PM

Finished it.

First half of season was really good.

Second half not as good but still somewhat solid. :)

kepp 09-12-2018 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Bweb (Post 13727133)
Finished it.

First half of season was really good.

Second half not as good but still somewhat solid. :)

Totally agree. I enjoyed it overall, but the writing in the second half of the season wasn't as good. They're overselling/forcing Greer's religion and there is a good amount of overacting.

listopencil 09-12-2018 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by kepp (Post 13727164)
Totally agree. I enjoyed it overall, but the writing in the second half of the season wasn't as good. They're overselling/forcing Greer's religion and there is a good amount of overacting.


I agree, and I think they were really pushing the 'not all Muslims are terrorists' narrative hard with that.

Buehler445 09-12-2018 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 13727213)
I agree, and I think they were really pushing the 'not all Muslims are terrorists' narrative hard with that.

I didn’t think it was so bad. I thought they forced the Greer character to be a hardass for the sake of being a hardass more than they forced the religion.

As far as overacting I hope you’re not talking about Soulemons family. That seemed right on.

I thought it had a nice balance of pure evil and how it came about. There are holes and weakness but I thought they handled the character side pretty well.

listopencil 09-13-2018 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 13727557)
I didn’t think it was so bad. I thought they forced the Greer character to be a hardass for the sake of being a hardass more than they forced the religion.

As far as overacting I hope you’re not talking about Soulemons family. That seemed right on.

I thought it had a nice balance of pure evil and how it came about. There are holes and weakness but I thought they handled the character side pretty well.


I'd say the wife's part was overacted. The drone pilot was a bit overdone as well, not horribly, but a bit overdone.

Buehler445 09-13-2018 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 13728391)
I'd say the wife's part was overacted. The drone pilot was a bit overdone as well, not horribly, but a bit overdone.

I disagree about the wife. I thought it was on point.

Frazod 09-22-2018 08:23 PM

Just starting the second episode now. I'm digging it. :thumb:

Frazod 09-23-2018 02:16 AM

Binged it all the way through. It was pretty good. Some parts were a bit silly/unnecessary/dumb, but overall I really enjoyed it.

I do wonder when Timothy Hutton turned into Ned Beatty, though. :D

Baby Lee 09-23-2018 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 13752751)
I do wonder when Timothy Hutton turned into Ned Beatty, though. :D

You would be accommodated if you'd watched Leverage. ;)

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InChiefsHeaven 04-28-2019 02:50 PM

Where the hell is Season 2? Google says it is on Prime on the 24th, but my FireTV only has season 1. Anybody got any answers??

keg in kc 04-28-2019 03:50 PM

It was renewed on April 24th of last year, several months before it premiered. They haven't given a release date for the second season yet.

listopencil 04-28-2019 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by InChiefsHell (Post 14239405)
Where the hell is Season 2? Google says it is on Prime on the 24th, but my FireTV only has season 1. Anybody got any answers??


Filming for Jack Ryan season 2 is already underway and will take place in Europe, South America, and the United States. Cameras were scheduled to roll on Jack Ryan season 2 in summer 2018, so production mounted before Jack Ryan season 1 premiered on Labor Day weekend. Jack Ryan season 1 began filming in spring 2017, with the first footage of Krasinski as Jack Ryan released that October. Following a similar production and marketing schedule, fans can expect Jack Ryan season 2 to release on Amazon Prime sometime in fall 2019.

https://screenrant.com/jack-ryan-sea...story-details/

InChiefsHeaven 04-29-2019 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 14239498)
Filming for Jack Ryan season 2 is already underway and will take place in Europe, South America, and the United States. Cameras were scheduled to roll on Jack Ryan season 2 in summer 2018, so production mounted before Jack Ryan season 1 premiered on Labor Day weekend. Jack Ryan season 1 began filming in spring 2017, with the first footage of Krasinski as Jack Ryan released that October. Following a similar production and marketing schedule, fans can expect Jack Ryan season 2 to release on Amazon Prime sometime in fall 2019.

https://screenrant.com/jack-ryan-sea...story-details/

I must have misread the release date...Thanks...

listopencil 04-29-2019 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by InChiefsHell (Post 14240575)
I must have misread the release date...Thanks...


I got all excited when I read your post and went a-googling, lol. Ah well. Now we know.

ShowtimeSBMVP 10-28-2019 02:11 PM

New season November 1st can’t wait

ShowtimeSBMVP 11-02-2019 09:11 PM

Damn new season killed the first wow

BigRedChief 11-03-2019 08:26 AM

Just finished binge watching season 2. Great story arc. Well done TV. Worth the time.

keg in kc 11-03-2019 10:47 AM

I thought it was great until the last episode. Whole thing with the attack on the presidential palace was just ****ing dumb storytelling. Fun to watch if you can turn your brain completely off, but it's such a smart show the rest of the season that it was a little jarring to have something happening so far outside the suspension of disbelief. And they telegraphed the 'twist' at the end, but it was still nice seeing the dude get caught.

Overall pretty solid.

MagicHef 11-03-2019 02:16 PM

Why couldn't they just launch the satellite normally? Why did it need to be unregistered?

InChiefsHeaven 11-04-2019 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef (Post 14570928)
Why couldn't they just launch the satellite normally? Why did it need to be unregistered?

Cuz if you register your satellite, you have to tell "them" why, and they didn't want to tell them about the deposits of groovy rocks for mining...

...that's why I don't register when I launch mine either...

DJ's left nut 11-04-2019 04:38 PM

Binged season 1 ahead of season 2.

Y'all know that little kid's gonna be a terrorist when he grows up, right? And I kinda feel like Jack knew it, too.

"You saved that boy's life."
"We'll see..."

Really an interesting little twist on Jack Ryan: Idealist Boy Scout. The easier answer would've been for them to just have the happy reunion but the writers put just enough doubt in your mind throughout it to make you think. The boy undoubtedly knew what his father was up to and he seemed pretty much okay with it. Then Jack sorta drove it home at the reunion - he's well aware of the problems the kid may pose someday.

I liked it. Krasinksi made the "Jim Face" a little too often (The Office fans know exactly the face I'm talking about) but it got better as the season went on. And holy hell - dude got YOKED for the role.

Watched episode 1 of season 2 and it appears they've just decided to write Cathy out? I mean - they get married in the books, so that's an interesting shift. The actress that plays her isn't listed in season 2 at all so I presume she's just gonna stay gone. I wonder if they'll bring her back in Season 3 should he spend more time stateside. Probably just not a good way to do include her from a narrative structure in a season shot almost exclusively out of the country - though they could've just tossed a reference in there at some point to let the fans know she still existed.

BigRedChief 11-04-2019 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14575098)
Binged season 1 ahead of season 2.

Y'all know that little kid's gonna be a terrorist when he grows up, right? And I kinda feel like Jack knew it, too.

"You saved that boy's life."
"We'll see..."

Really an interesting little twist on Jack Ryan: Idealist Boy Scout. The easier answer would've been for them to just have the happy reunion but the writers put just enough doubt in your mind throughout it to make you think. The boy undoubtedly knew what his father was up to and he seemed pretty much okay with it. Then Jack sorta drove it home at the reunion - he's well aware of the problems the kid may pose someday.

I liked it. Krasinksi made the "Jim Face" a little too often (The Office fans know exactly the face I'm talking about) but it got better as the season went on. And holy hell - dude got YOKED for the role.

Watched episode 1 of season 2 and it appears they've just decided to write Cathy out? I mean - they get married in the books, so that's an interesting shift. The actress that plays her isn't listed in season 2 at all so I presume she's just gonna stay gone. I wonder if they'll bring her back in Season 3 should he spend more time stateside. Probably just not a good way to do include her from a narrative structure in a season shot almost exclusively out of the country - though they could've just tossed a reference in there at some point to let the fans know she still existed.

He’s single in this version.

patteeu 11-04-2019 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 14575382)
He’s single in this version.

They're setting him up to come out as the gay character that every new series needs in Season 3. ;)

listopencil 12-23-2022 01:44 PM

Season three is out.

DJ's left nut 12-23-2022 02:08 PM

They've made him too Jason Bourne for my tastes...

We have enough of that kind of character.

Jack isn't Domingo Chavez or John Clark. They've turned this series into Rainbow Six and I don't particularly care for that direction.

listopencil 12-23-2022 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16684610)
They've made him too Jason Bourne for my tastes...

We have enough of that kind of character.

Jack isn't Domingo Chavez or John Clark. They've turned this series into Rainbow Six and I don't particularly care for that direction.

Yeah, I watched the first episode and I see what you mean. The story is off and this doesn't feel like the same character as the books.

HemiEd 12-23-2022 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 16684550)
Season three is out.

Yeah, I watched the season last couple of days.

Does anyone else have a problem accepting him in a serious role?

I still see him as Jim from "the Office"LMAO

srvy 12-23-2022 03:59 PM

Must have some tities and splosions Listo don't like no boobs and bombs.

Bowser 12-23-2022 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16684610)
They've made him too Jason Bourne for my tastes...

We have enough of that kind of character.

Jack isn't Domingo Chavez or John Clark. They've turned this series into Rainbow Six and I don't particularly care for that direction.

Get out of my head.

As I'm watching him transition in with this black op squad he's apparently never met and kick as much ass as any of them, I'm thinking why would they even let him attempt to be an analyst with sharpshooter/assassin skills like he has while being cool as a cucumber under pressure.

I enjoyed the first episode and will keep watching (Greer is hilarious and has the best lines), but yeah, this isn't the Jack Ryan from the lore.

listopencil 12-23-2022 06:59 PM

The thing about dingleberries is that you can easily avoid them.

Bowser 12-24-2022 09:25 PM

I've enjoyed this season so far (six eps in). Looking forward to how they try and put a bow on it all.

I want Mike November's "retirement" villa.

Molitoth 12-29-2022 08:10 AM

I'm Loving season 3 so far (Ep 4).

InChiefsHeaven 12-29-2022 10:19 AM

This was my least favorite season. It's weird, to me he's not being Jack Ryan...he's more Jason Bourne or something. Eh. I enjoyed it, but definitely trending down in my view.

Molitoth 12-30-2022 08:42 AM

So far I haven't seen one super unrealistic car chase, or someone shooting a lock open with a gun... so that is a win!

My one gripe is that the characters in the show travel around from country to country really freaking fast without many quick scenes thrown in to show how.

mr. tegu 12-31-2022 12:57 AM

Jack Ryan TV Series
 
Just finished and I had the same reaction to the Jason Bourne theme it seems others did. Not a big fan of it for this character but fine I guess because that stuff can be fun. I think my main complaint is it was just a little too loose and not tight and buttoned up around the edges. Kind of a lot of scenes like “really guys?” For one, how many times they going to go breaking into some location completely outnumbered shooting and causing a ruckus as opposed to being discrete and not requiring miracle escapes?

A few specific things that took me out of some scenes were when

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But overall I liked it because it was decent action and spy type stuff. Certainly better than a lot of what comes out streaming these days.

DJ's left nut 01-11-2023 09:44 AM

I guess where I've gotten on this is that I don't understand at ALL why it needed to involve Jack Ryan.

Stand alone, it's a good show. But they paid for a name. They didn't use ANY of the IP. This isn't recognizable in any way.

I mean let's just start with Jack's entry into the CIA. The dude was a multi-millionaire retired stock trader who's teaching history and living on a cliffside mansion. He's in London with his family when he ends up in the middle of an assassination plot against the Royal family. Things develop, he ends up an 'asset' and slowly drawn into part-time analysis with the CIA. He proves himself and becomes a baller agent.

In the show, he's a geeky cubicle dwelling single systems analyst with a shitty beltway apartment.

In the books he has an almost father/son relationship with Admiral Greer who is essentially the Presidents right hand in the military. In the show he meets Greer when Greer is a burnout on the decline in the agency and has an antagonistic relationship before they become peers.

None of the ancillary characters exist in the books, nor do any of the book characters exist in the show. The Foleys, Clark, Mancuso, Robby Jackson, Dan Murray, Scott Adler...hell, Cathy Ryan barely exists here and she's a central figure in the novels. And the only character thus far that could hang with any of the book characters is Mike. And even still, he's mostly a watered down Murray. Meanwhile Clark, Jackson, Mancuso and the Foleys are great in the books.

I don't mind that the stories don't mesh because...cool - tell new stories. I'm good with that.

But they didn't use ANY of the back story of the character. Worse, they flip the back story so far on its head that it makes him almost the opposite of who he is in the books. Shit, in the show he's essentially Ding Chavez. His traits are completely different. His strengths/weaknesses are different. His underlying philosophy and ethos (the 'Ryan Doctrine') essentially don't exist.

I mean they just borrowed a name and scrapped everything else.

I think the show is entertaining, don't get me wrong. It just has absolutely NOTHING to do with Jack Ryan. Had Disney purchased the Star Wars IP, made a show called "Skywalker" and then made him an Imperial Senator or something, it wouldn't have been much different. I just don't quite understand it so I'm left with pure cycnicism - they know the public has the attention span of a gnat so they had to put a 'known name' on the project to get it made.

It was done strictly as a bait and switch.

DJ's left nut 01-11-2023 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 13145430)
I still don't think anyone has really nailed Jack Ryan yet but I enjoyed Baldwin's take. I didn't mind the other actors really...I just wasn't all that impressed with their interpretations. Not so much a negative reaction to them, a just a "meh." But something about Krasinski in that trailer. I just have this feeling that he's nailing it.

Post necromancy but I think Baldwin exactly nailed it. He brought the right amount of quiet confidence mixed with nervous energy. The great thing about the Ryan novels is how they celebrate competence. Or more accurately, excellence.

Jack isn't some guy who ascending through happenstance. He's not an everyman just doing his job. He's BRILLIANT. And he's driven and focused. He got where he got by being a truly remarkable person.

Baldwin, removing the person for a moment, absolutely projects that. He played the part as a relative neophyte with exceptional tools. It was Jack's Patrick Mahomes 2018 season where he was getting by on skills vs. savvy.

I think Krasinski could've done that. But he hasn't. Because they just messed up the character something awful, IMO.

|Zach| 01-11-2023 07:51 PM

I know what I am going to get with this series and I still enjoy the hell out of it every season.

stumppy 01-11-2023 08:08 PM

This season was OK I guess. Way too many contrived situations, like how convenient that when the guy you have under surveillance get's taken away in a van that's parked right in front of your car. Way too much bullshit used to make the story work.

I swear, by the final 3 episodes I was fully expecting to see Ryan wearing a cape and flying to the rescue.

lawrenceRaider 01-12-2023 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16728232)

I think Krasinski could've done that. But he hasn't. Because they just messed up the character something awful, IMO.

They kinda started it that way in season 1, but then just made him another SpecOp guy.

Still some of the better TV made in the last few years if you ignore that it isn't really Jack Ryan.

DJ's left nut 01-12-2023 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider (Post 16729668)
They kinda started it that way in season 1, but then just made him another SpecOp guy.

Still some of the better TV made in the last few years if you ignore that it isn't really Jack Ryan.

No question.

Like I said - it's a good show. Good production values, good performances. The story in season 1 was excellent even if it's degraded a bit over seasons 2 and 3.

It's a good show - it just shouldn't have Jack Ryan attached to it in any way.

lawrenceRaider 01-12-2023 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16729673)
No question.

Like I said - it's a good show. Good production values, good performances. The story in season 1 was excellent even if it's degraded a bit over seasons 2 and 3.

It's a good show - it just shouldn't have Jack Ryan attached to it in any way.

I probably wouldn't have watched if it wasn't branded as they did.

Molitoth 01-12-2023 10:28 AM

I suppose I'm glad I've never read any Jack Ryan books, because I enjoy the series for what it is, and had zero expectations about Ryans character.

listopencil 01-12-2023 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16729673)
No question.

Like I said - it's a good show. Good production values, good performances. The story in season 1 was excellent even if it's degraded a bit over seasons 2 and 3.

It's a good show - it just shouldn't have Jack Ryan attached to it in any way.

They should have brought in Chavez and Clark in season two.

DJ's left nut 01-12-2023 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 16729843)
I suppose I'm glad I've never read any Jack Ryan books, because I enjoy the series for what it is, and had zero expectations about Ryans character.

I think that's probably right.

Like I said, it was a hell of a bait and switch.


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