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DaneMcCloud 08-17-2017 01:45 PM

Stand Alone Obi Wan Movie Announced!!!
 
**** YES!!!!

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hea..._source=Direct

'Star Wars' Obi-Wan Kenobi Film in the Works (Exclusive)

Oscar-nominated filmmaker Stephen Daldry is in early talks for the film, which would center on the Jedi master who has been played by both Alec Guinness and Ewan McGregor.
Stephen Daldry is Star Wars’ newest hope.

The Oscar-nominated director behind Billy Elliot and The Hours is in early talks to direct a Star Wars stand-alone movie centering on Obi-Wan Kenobi, The Hollywood Reporter has learned. Sources say talks are at the earliest of stages and that the project has no script. If a deal makes, Daldry would oversee the development and writing with Lucasfilm brass. It's not known at this stage if Ewan McGregor will reprise his role. The Obi-Wan Kenobi stand-alone is one of several projects being developed by Lucasfilm and Disney that fall outside the trilogies telling the saga of the Skywalker family. A Han Solo movie is now in the final stages of shooting under new director Ron Howard and Lucasfilm is also looking at movies featuring Yoda and bounty hunter Boba Fett, among others.

In the original Star Wars trilogy, Kenobi was at first a desert-dwelling and war-weary hermit who later proved to be a wise and powerful warrior, brandishing a light saber. He was briefly a mentor to a young Luke before being cut down by Darth Vader, his former pupil. Alec Guinness played Kenobi, garnering him an Oscar nomination to boot. The character got star treatment in the George Lucas-directed prequels which told the origin of Vader and his betrayal of Kenobi and the Jedis. McGregor has said he would be open to playing the character again. Sources stress, however, that since there is no script, no actor is attached.

http://variety.com/2017/film/news/ob...ry-1202531346/

“Rogue One” was the first of the standalones, and Disney is currently shooting an untitled origin tale of beloved smuggler Han Solo. Some of the other standalones in development include a Jabba the Hutt story and a Boba Fett movie.

Daldry hails from the theater world and made his feature debut with Billy Elliot, which netted him his first directing Oscar nomination. He followed that up with searing dramas The Hours and The Reader, which also netted him directing nominations.

He most recently directed episodes of Netflix’s period drama The Crown, which put him into play in this Emmy season.

He is repped by CAA.

Sassy Squatch 08-17-2017 01:49 PM

Maul as the villain plz.

vailpass 08-17-2017 01:55 PM

There really is no end to the market for this stuff is there?

unlurking 08-17-2017 01:57 PM

:clap:

Direckshun 08-17-2017 02:05 PM

Bring back McGregor.

Coochie liquor 08-17-2017 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13019951)
BUTT**** YES!!!!

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hea..._source=Direct

'Star Wars' Obi-Wan Kenobi Film in the Works (Exclusive)

Oscar-nominated filmmaker Stephen Daldry is in early talks for the film, which would center on the Jedi master who has been played by both Alec Guinness and Ewan McGregor.
Stephen Daldry is Star Wars’ newest hope.

The Oscar-nominated director behind Billy Elliot and The Hours is in early talks to direct a Star Wars stand-alone movie centering on Obi-Wan Kenobi, The Hollywood Reporter has learned. Sources say talks are at the earliest of stages and that the project has no script. If a deal makes, Daldry would oversee the development and writing with Lucasfilm brass. It's not known at this stage if Ewan McGregor will reprise his role. The Obi-Wan Kenobi stand-alone is one of several projects being developed by Lucasfilm and Disney that fall outside the trilogies telling the saga of the Skywalker family. A Han Solo movie is now in the final stages of shooting under new director Ron Howard and Lucasfilm is also looking at movies featuring Yoda and bounty hunter Boba Fett, among others.

In the original Star Wars trilogy, Kenobi was at first a desert-dwelling and war-weary hermit who later proved to be a wise and powerful warrior, brandishing a light saber. He was briefly a mentor to a young Luke before being cut down by Darth Vader, his former pupil. Alec Guinness played Kenobi, garnering him an Oscar nomination to boot. The character got star treatment in the George Lucas-directed prequels which told the origin of Vader and his betrayal of Kenobi and the Jedis. McGregor has said he would be open to playing the character again. Sources stress, however, that since there is no script, no actor is attached.

Daldry hails from the theater world and made his feature debut with Billy Elliot, which netted him his first directing Oscar nomination. He followed that up with searing dramas The Hours and The Reader, which also netted him directing nominations.

He most recently directed episodes of Netflix’s period drama The Crown, which put him into play in this Emmy season.

He is repped by CAA.

FYP

DaneMcCloud 08-17-2017 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 13019970)
There really is no end to the market for this stuff is there?

Nope. It'll soon become Disney's biggest profit driver, surpassing Marvel.

Red Brooklyn 08-17-2017 02:47 PM

Obi-Wan is my favorite second favorite all-time Star Wars character. This is so exciting. I hope this actually, finally happens. I'll be one of the first in line to see it.

DaneMcCloud 08-17-2017 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13019957)
Maul as the villain plz.

Spoiler!

007 08-17-2017 03:04 PM

It will be McGregor right? It has to be damnit.

DaneMcCloud 08-17-2017 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 007 (Post 13020127)
It will be McGregor right? It has to be damnit.

I've been hearing about this movie since 2012, along with McGregor's involvement, so it would be shocking (and confusing) if they went a different direction.

I like the idea of a successful Film and Stage director at the helm, who's won Tony's and been Oscar-nominated. The performances should be spectacular.

KK's starting to figure it out.

Now, if she would just fire Trevorrow...

eDave 08-17-2017 03:13 PM

How do you feel about this director doing it justice?

Hammock Parties 08-17-2017 03:13 PM

**** YES

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-w15VroIeYg...obiwan-001.jpg

i said....BUTT**** YES!

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/aa/9f...5c4008c26a.jpg

Hammock Parties 08-17-2017 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13019957)
Maul as the villain plz.

The villain should be...the desert.

Also, there needs to be a scene with Obi-Wan watching the holonet and realizing Vader is Anakin.

Buehler445 08-17-2017 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13020130)
I've been hearing about this movie since 2012, along with McGregor's involvement, so it would be shocking (and confusing) if they went a different direction.

I like the idea of a successful Film and Stage director at the helm, who's won Tony's and been Oscar-nominated. The performances should be spectacular.

KK's starting to figure it out.

Now, if she would just fire Trevorrow...

Let his happen. All of it.

DaneMcCloud 08-17-2017 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by eDave (Post 13020145)
How do you feel about this director doing it justice?

He's a Tony winning director that has also been Oscar nominated. Since he's a Stage director, I'd expect excellent performances by the cast.

This is probably the best choice so far in the SWU, at least in terms of a director and way above Trevorrow and Lord & Miller.

DaneMcCloud 08-17-2017 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13020151)
The villain should be...the desert.

Also, there needs to be a scene with Obi-Wan watching the holonet and realizing Vader is Anakin.

From what I've been told, (which could always change, of course) this will be an off-world adventure for Obi Wan.

He wasn't just sitting around for 20 years, watching over Luke.

Hammock Parties 08-17-2017 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13020159)
From what I've been told, (which could always change, of course) this will be an off-world adventure for Obi Wan.

booooooooo

this is an opportunity for a real character piece

wonder if we can get some Liam Neeson action

DaneMcCloud 08-17-2017 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13020162)
booooooooo

I guess maybe I'm in the minority but I'm tired of Tatooine and desert planets.

Opening up the Star Wars Galaxy was one of the greatest parts of Rogue One.

I'd love to see a sequence with Obi Wan on Jedha, 20 years prior to the events of R1.

Plus, more worlds, more creatures = more action figures = more revenue.

DaneMcCloud 08-17-2017 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13020162)
wonder if we can get some Liam Neeson action

I'd certainly be down for that but all we heard was his voice after he died, so bringing him in as a Force Ghost might be weird, especially considering that he wasn't shown in ROTJ.

Gadzooks 08-17-2017 03:27 PM

Why does everyone have such a hard on for McGregor? He sucked in Fargo and the Obi Wan character was a bore, with no personality, in the prequels.

IMO - the idea of these character based prequels is a bad one. There's so much opportunity to branch out with compelling new characters but I guess that's too much of a challenge or too risky to attempt. It smacks as lazy to me.

007 08-17-2017 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Gadzooks (Post 13020180)
Why does everyone have such a hard on for McGregor? He sucked in Fargo and the Obi Wan character was a bore, with no personality, in the prequels.

IMO - the idea of these character based prequels is a bad one. There's so much opportunity to branch out with compelling new characters but I guess that's too much of a challenge or too risky to attempt. It smacks as lazy to me.

WHAT? He was the best part of the prequels. The only actor that really sold his part.

BigBeauford 08-17-2017 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13020151)
The villain should be...the desert.

Also, there needs to be a scene with Obi-Wan watching the holonet and realizing Vader is Anakin.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/07/thats-good.gif

Yes, showing his slow transformation into a hermit would be great.

BWillie 08-17-2017 03:33 PM

Please. No more Star Wars shit. One of the biggest artistic failures known to man that people some how like.

Gadzooks 08-17-2017 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 007 (Post 13020184)
WHAT? He was the best part of the prequels. The only actor that really sold his part.

He did a nice imitation of Alec Guinness. That's all I'll give him. The writing sucked so that didn't help him. But he was a BORING character.

Plus, there'll be no impending doom in any of character based prequels. We all know they survive whatever adventure they're put on.
BORING. LAZY.

DaneMcCloud 08-17-2017 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 13020197)
Please. No more Star Wars shit.

:rolleyes:

DaneMcCloud 08-17-2017 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Gadzooks (Post 13020180)
It smacks as lazy to me.

That's absurd

DaneMcCloud 08-17-2017 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 007 (Post 13020184)
WHAT? He was the best part of the prequels. The only actor that really sold his part.

Joel Edgerton recently stated that he'd like to return as Owen Lars.

Since Episode 2, I've had the notion that the Stormtroopers and Vader killed and burned the bodies of Owen and Buru in Episode IV because he felt them responsible for the death of his mother.

It'll be curious to see if Owen returns.

Gadzooks 08-17-2017 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13020202)
That's absurd

How so? I've given my reasons...

DaneMcCloud 08-17-2017 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Gadzooks (Post 13020200)
He did a nice imitation of Alec Guinness. That's all I'll give him. The writing sucked so that didn't help him. But he was a BORING character.

Plus, there'll be no impending doom in any of character based prequels. We all know they survive whatever adventure they're put on.
BORING. LAZY.

Your Star Wars takes are absolute shit

DaneMcCloud 08-17-2017 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Gadzooks (Post 13020205)
How so? I've given my reasons...

Your reasons lack any semblance of sense

Gadzooks 08-17-2017 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13020207)
Your Star Wars takes are absolute shit

It seems like it's too hard for you to give your opinion. I get it, you're being lazy.
Is it too hot over there? Drain your energy?

DaneMcCloud 08-17-2017 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Gadzooks (Post 13020215)
It seems like it's too hard for you to give your opinion. I get it, you're being lazy.
Is it too hot over there? Drain your energy?

Obi Wan is a fantastic character and maybe the most important character in the Star Wars universe, as he not only fails to keep his apprentice from the Dark Side of the Force, he's tasked with watching over and training Luke, Anakin's son, and keeping him from falling to the Dark Side and bring Balance to the Force.

It's also quite possible that Rey is a Kenobi, which would bring even more significance to the character.

BigBeauford 08-17-2017 03:49 PM

I wonder if Star Wars would ever do a Logan esque film. This seems like the perfect opportunity for an R rated romp in the star wars universe. Unless they are saving that for a Vader or Boba Fett film.

007 08-17-2017 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BigBeauford (Post 13020225)
I wonder if Star Wars would ever do a Logan esque film. This seems like the perfect opportunity for an R rated romp in the star wars universe. Unless they are saving that for a Vader or Boba Fett film.

I would be shocked to see Star Wars go for an R rating on anything.

vailpass 08-17-2017 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13020045)
Nope. It'll soon become Disney's biggest profit driver, surpassing Marvel.

Amazing. Disney appears to be in it to win it.

Deberg_1990 08-17-2017 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 13019970)
There really is no end to the market for this stuff is there?

No....im becoming sort of indifferent to it myself. Alot of it is overkill IMO.

But im sure i will watch.

Deberg_1990 08-17-2017 04:22 PM

Jar Jar origin story coming in 2032! How far down this rabbit hole do we go?

Hammock Parties 08-17-2017 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 13020305)
Jar Jar origin story coming in 2032! How far down this rabbit hole do we go?

I'm in, but make it a Rated R Star Wars groundhog day where Jar Jar dies in horrible ways and then wakes up in the swamp again, ready for a fresh killing.

"Oooooh, dis'n gonna be berry berry bad mesa tinkin!"

DaneMcCloud 08-17-2017 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 13020251)
No....im becoming sort of indifferent to it myself. Alot of it is overkill IMO.

But im sure i will watch.

So two movies in the last 12 years is overkill?

What?

DaneMcCloud 08-17-2017 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 007 (Post 13020239)
I would be shocked to see Star Wars go for an R rating on anything.

Yeah, I'd be surprised, too.

Disney created Touchstone Pictures in the 80's so that they could produce PG-13 and R rated films without using the Disney logo.

I can't see them going for an R rated version of a Marvel or Star Wars film, as it would skew their brand.

DaneMcCloud 08-17-2017 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 13020245)
Amazing. Disney appears to be in it to win it.

They're absolutely killing it at the box office and even more so, at the theme parks.

Hell, I gave in on Tuesday and bought yearly Deluxe Disneyland passes for my wife and kids.

It only cost me $1,856.00 dollars.

Hammock Parties 08-17-2017 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13020339)
So two movies in the last 12 years is overkill?

What?

Going to be two more here pretty quick, and Obi Wan will make five.

There's going to be some saturation...

DaneMcCloud 08-17-2017 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13020362)
Going to be two more here pretty quick, and Obi Wan will make five.

There's going to be some saturation...

As long as the public is buying tickets, the movies will continue to be produced.

Hammock Parties 08-17-2017 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13020373)
As long as the public is buying the tickets, the movies will continue to be produced.

Absolutely, and you know I'm not complaining, but I can see how some might.

DaneMcCloud 08-17-2017 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13020375)
Absolutely, and you know I'm not complaining, but I can see how some might.

As long as KK can avoid the mistakes made by Marvel, then I won't see any reason to criticize the output.

Anyone that thinks it's "overkill" isn't a Star Wars fan, anyway.

Fans don't say "Wow, I can't take any more Star Wars films".

Gadzooks 08-17-2017 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13020220)
Obi Wan is a fantastic character and maybe the most important character in the Star Wars universe, as he not only fails to keep his apprentice from the Dark Side of the Force, he's tasked with watching over and training Luke, Anakin's son, and keeping him from falling to the Dark Side and bring Balance to the Force.

It's also quite possible that Rey is a Kenobi, which would bring even more significance to the character.

Right, he's important, we've seen the story. What more is there to say?
The great thing about Star Wars is it's like a cartoon, anything can happen in this time and space - ANYTHING. That's why kids love playing Star Wars. Their imagination can take them anywhere.

Why rehash old characters, send them on an adventure and link it to the series when you can create anything you want.

Rogue One was a great idea as a one-off. Oddly every one of the main characters died.

With a Hans Solo, Obi Wan or Yoda movie, we already know their fate. It takes the audience out of the action. We know they're at no risk during their adventure and assume any other character we don't recognize dies or we don't care if they live because we know they're not important to the original plot.

This seems lazy to me. Boba Fett coming out of the Saralac pit and doing a job with a bunch or other bounty Hunters seems like a better premise because we would know he's not dead and there's the ability to develop new characters to spin off with.

I guess I'm just disappointed that KK and Co. are taking the safe road rather than being more creative. But, I get it from their perspective.

listopencil 08-17-2017 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Gadzooks (Post 13020442)
Right, he's important, we've seen the story. What more is there to say?
The great thing about Star Wars is it's like a cartoon, anything can happen in this time and space - ANYTHING. That's why kids love playing Star Wars. Their imagination can take them anywhere.

Why rehash old characters, send them on an adventure and link it to the series when you can create anything you want.

Rogue One was a great idea as a one-off. Oddly every one of the main characters died.

With a Hans Solo, Obi Wan or Yoda movie, we already know their fate. It takes the audience out of the action. We know they're at no risk during their adventure and assume any other character we don't recognize dies or we don't care if they live because we know they're not important to the original plot.

This seems lazy to me. Boba Fett coming out of the Saralac pit and doing a job with a bunch or other bounty Hunters seems like a better premise because we would know he's not dead and there's the ability to develop new characters to spin off with.

I guess I'm just disappointed that KK and Co. are taking the safe road rather than being more creative. But, I get it from their perspective.

Obi Wan interests me as a character and I enjoyed his role in the prequels. In fact, that was almost the only thing I consistently enjoyed in the prequels, seeing more Obi Wan. There is a huge chunk missing from his story. I want to see it.

mnchiefsguy 08-17-2017 05:45 PM

**** Yeah!

Awesome news that it is finally announced!

mnchiefsguy 08-17-2017 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 13020465)
Obi Wan interests me as a character and I enjoyed his role in the prequels. In fact, that was almost the only thing I consistently enjoyed in the prequels, seeing more Obi Wan. There is a huge chunk missing from his story. I want to see it.

This. Obi-Wan is one of my favorite characters, and Ewan is a fantastic actor.

Obi-Wan is a more complicated, tortured soul version of Gandolf. Imagine Gandolf's angst if Frodo not only failed, but turned into Sauron's puppet....

Obi-Wan is an incredibly complex character and further stories exploring that are a great thing.

Hammock Parties 08-17-2017 06:00 PM

Ewan playing Obi-Wan in the hands of a director who isn't a past-his-prime goof could be incredible instead of mediocre.

Deberg_1990 08-17-2017 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13020339)
So two movies in the last 12 years is overkill?

What?

I include all the cartoons/animated shows and movies as well

Just not into them like some of you guys are

DaneMcCloud 08-17-2017 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Gadzooks (Post 13020442)
Right, he's important, we've seen the story. What more is there to say?

There's a 20 year gap between the end of Episode III and the beginning of Episode IV (or the end of Rogue One).

There's plenty of territory to mine. There's no way he just sat there, in the desert of Tatooine, waiting for the "right time" to train Luke.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gadzooks (Post 13020442)
The great thing about Star Wars is it's like a cartoon, anything can happen in this time and space - ANYTHING. That's why kids love playing Star Wars. Their imagination can take them anywhere.

Star War Rebels is the first, true, standalone Star Wars property and Season One is pretty much a mess. It wasn't until Season 2, with Vader and Tarkin, that it really began to blossom and Season 3, with Maul and Obi Wan was awesome.

Why was it awesome? Because they tied previously seen characters into the timeline. If you want original adventure, watch Star Wars The Freemakers.

I think it'll make you pine for known characters.

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Originally Posted by Gadzooks (Post 13020442)
Why rehash old characters, send them on an adventure and link it to the series when you can create anything you want.

Why? Because it's poor story telling. The Force Awakens, for all its faults, brought us new characters in Rey, Finn, Poe, Phasma, Hux, Snoke and Ren via Han, Leia, Chewbacca and Luke. If the OT characters weren't part of the film or the sequel trilogy, people wouldn't have been nearly as interested.

Lucasfilm will begin exploring new areas of the Star Wars Galaxy as fans embrace the new characters are being introduced.

There needs to be a common thread for the feature films to work.

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Originally Posted by Gadzooks (Post 13020442)
Rogue One was a great idea as a one-off. Oddly every one of the main characters died.

Rogue One was a phenomenal film but going in, most people figured that all of the characters would die. That didn't affect the box office or the final result, which was spectacular.

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Originally Posted by Gadzooks (Post 13020442)
With a Hans Solo, Obi Wan or Yoda movie, we already know their fate. It takes the audience out of the action. We know they're at no risk during their adventure and assume any other character we don't recognize dies or we don't care if they live because we know they're not important to the original plot.

This is complete nonsense. As previously mentioned, most people figured that the cast of Rogue One would die, because they're not in the OT, yet it didn't take way from the experience.

I'd say most people assume the same for the cast of Star Wars Rebels but that hasn't taken away a damn thing from the series. As mentioned earlier, Season Two and Three were awesome.

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Originally Posted by Gadzooks (Post 13020442)
This seems lazy to me.

It's not "lazy" at all. As a matter of fact, it's a MUCH bigger gamble to create the backstory for a beloved character like Han Solo or explore 20 years of Obi Wan's life during the period between III & IV. As a matter of fact, it's such a risk that it could turn the entire saga on its ear.


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Originally Posted by Gadzooks (Post 13020442)
Boba Fett coming out of the Saralac pit and doing a job with a bunch or other bounty Hunters seems like a better premise because we would know he's not dead and there's the ability to develop new characters to spin off with.

What? Talk about LAZY. Who is Boba Fett going to hunt? What's so exciting about his story that he needs an entire 2 hour film? By the time he's out of the pit, the Empire has been defeated.

Who's putting a bounty of any characters of interest? The New Republic? Why would that be worth a 2 hour film?

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Originally Posted by Gadzooks (Post 13020442)
I guess I'm just disappointed that KK and Co. are taking the safe road rather than being more creative. But, I get it from their perspective.

Again, they can't just create all new characters without having ties to the OT. Who wants to see a Jedi-less film set after the events of ROTJ without knowing the fate of Luke & Leia?

Gadzooks 08-17-2017 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13020508)
1. Rogue One was a phenomenal film but going in, most people figured that all of the characters would die. That didn't affect the box office or the final result, which was spectacular.

2. It's not "lazy" at all. As a matter of fact, it's a MUCH bigger gamble to create the backstory for a beloved character like Han Solo or explore 20 years of Obi Wan's life during the period between III & IV. As a matter of fact, it's such a risk that it could turn the entire saga on its ear.

Thanks for taking the time to engage in a discussion Dane. You make some valid points and we could probably spend a lot of time debating this topic.

I've pointed out 2 comments above to rebut.

For the first point - The fact that most people figured that most or all of the characters would die in Rogue One made it exciting. They didn't know what would happen. Going into a prequel knowing that any character you recognize from previous films won't die takes away energy from the story.

For the second point - I would argue that character based prequels are the path of least resistance for KK and crew, (hence a lazy approach). They know audiences love the characters and will pay to see them. However, I also agree with you that they're a huge gamble. If audiences don't like the Han Solo standalone it will turn them off to a Obi Wan standalone, (especially since people associate Ewan to the prequels/ midichlorians).
A big uncreative gamble...

bowener 08-18-2017 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13020098)
Spoiler!

I'd rather they not, but if they try to tie it back in with the new trilogy like RO did, is there a chance they try to set up who Snoke was before he became... Snoke?

Predarat 08-18-2017 08:37 AM

I guess we will figure out who he screwed that eventually turned into Rey Kenobi (His granddaughter or other descendant. It's just a theory, which I happen to agree with)

bowener 08-18-2017 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Gadzooks (Post 13020878)
For the second point - I would argue that character based prequels are the path of least resistance for KK and crew, (hence a lazy approach). They know audiences love the characters and will pay to see them. However, I also agree with you that they're a huge gamble. If audiences don't like the Han Solo standalone it will turn them off to a Obi Wan standalone, (especially since people associate Ewan to the prequels/ midichlorians).
A big uncreative gamble...

Instead of seeing it as lazy you could see it as a slow introduction with an established audience to a bigger universe with stories that won't tie back in with what we have seen and know. It isn't the same, but the early Marvel films primed the casual audience for the more "out there" Guardians of the Galaxy. Before it debuted there were a lot of people unsure about a ****ing talking space raccoon that is besties with a sentient tree-being.

Look at the upcoming Thor film (looks ****ing amazing and beautiful). If they had come out of the gate with a Thor film similar in style and setting it may have turned off a lot of the casual fans with how nuts/different it looks in comparison to the hugely popular, and much more grounded, Iron Man. Obviously, that is my opinion and Dane would know far better than I about any of this, but this is something that makes sense to me.

bowener 08-18-2017 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Predarat (Post 13021393)
I guess we will figure out who he screwed that eventually turned into Rey Kenobi (His granddaughter or other descendant. It's just a theory, which I happen to agree with)

Ah, shit. I forgot about that. We know of a 20-year gap in his life, and we know Rey is 19 in TFA.

DaneMcCloud 08-18-2017 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Gadzooks (Post 13020878)
For the first point - The fact that most people figured that most or all of the characters would die in Rogue One made it exciting. They didn't know what would happen. Going into a prequel knowing that any character you recognize from previous films won't die takes away energy from the story.

I disagree. It had been discussed in the Rogue One thread that the characters were most likely going to die, as they weren't in the OT. That was discussed on various Star Wars forums as well, so I think most people had a feeling that it could happen. It certainly didn't take anything away from the first viewing and actually made it a more intense experience.

I don't think that filling in the gaps with origin stories, if they're done well, takes away anything from the movie going experience. If done well, it actually enhances the movies that came before it.

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Originally Posted by Gadzooks (Post 13020878)
For the second point - I would argue that character based prequels are the path of least resistance for KK and crew, (hence a lazy approach). They know audiences love the characters and will pay to see them. However, I also agree with you that they're a huge gamble. If audiences don't like the Han Solo standalone it will turn them off to a Obi Wan standalone, (especially since people associate Ewan to the prequels/ midichlorians).
A big uncreative gamble...

Lucasfilm is spending hundreds of millions of dollars to create these films. While I think that re-writing and re-shooting 40% of Rogue One was a calculated decision made by Bob Iger, due to the success of TFA, KK owned up to the mistake of hiring Lord & Miller and promptly replaced them with a "Director's Director" in Ron Howard.

There's no "Road Map" for what Lucasfilm is trying to accomplish. Unlike Marvel, there aren't existing back stories that have been around and re-written for 60+ years. KK decided to throw out 30 years of novels and comics and start fresh with the Star Wars Universe. That's HUGE challenge to get it right and producing new Star Wars films in which the audience has no connection to the characters would have been a massive mistake.

MarkDavis'Haircut 08-18-2017 04:10 PM

About darn time! Obi-Wan is the best Star Wars character.

Easy 6 08-18-2017 09:19 PM

Its nice to see so many people agreeing about McGregor

He is just so damn easy to buy as a young Alec Guinness, his presence held those crappy prequels together far more than anyone else did

Frazod 08-18-2017 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 13023283)
Its nice to see so many people agreeing about McGregor

He is just so damn easy to buy as a young Alec Guinness, his presence held those crappy prequels together far more than anyone else did

Yeah, he did pretty much seem to be the only one of the principal cast members who actually tried.

Gadzooks 08-18-2017 11:01 PM

:facepalm:
I have a bad feeling about this.

007 08-18-2017 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 13023373)
Yeah, he did pretty much seem to be the only one of the principal cast members who actually tried.

just imagine how much better he would have been if George wasn't holding him back with his "it's good enough" attitude.

Frazod 08-18-2017 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 007 (Post 13023433)
just imagine how much better he would have been if George wasn't holding him back with his "it's good enough" attitude.

I just wish the ****er had sold the rights to Disney back in the 90s.

Buehler445 08-19-2017 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 13023457)
I just wish the ****er had sold the rights to Disney back in the 90s.

It's been a long time since I looked at their company but I think they were in a pretty shitty place in the 90s too. Dane will know better but I think they ran out their CEO in the early 2000s and after new leadership came in that's when they righted the ship and started making money hand over fist. But look back at their productions from the 90s. I doubt SW would have been much better than what Lucas puked out.

Frazod 08-19-2017 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 13023551)
It's been a long time since I looked at their company but I think they were in a pretty shitty place in the 90s too. Dane will know better but I think they ran out their CEO in the early 2000s and after new leadership came in that's when they righted the ship and started making money hand over fist. But look back at their productions from the 90s. I doubt SW would have been much better than what Lucas puked out.

It would have been hard for anybody to **** the prequels up as bad as Lucas did.

Simply Red 08-19-2017 11:23 AM

sounds great!

Bowser 08-19-2017 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 13023775)
It would have been hard for anybody to **** the prequels up as bad as Lucas did.

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/...3968935201.jpg

Chiefspants 08-19-2017 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 13024029)

The fact that the VFX in Jurassic Park inspired Lucas to take on the prequels should really be a knock on its legacy.

Tribal Warfare 08-19-2017 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13020130)
I've been hearing about this movie since 2012, along with McGregor's involvement, so it would be shocking (and confusing) if they went a different direction.

I like the idea of a successful Film and Stage director at the helm, who's won Tony's and been Oscar-nominated. The performances should be spectacular.

KK's starting to figure it out.

Now, if she would just fire Trevorrow...

I remember hearing that Obi-Wan was a role Ewan took on with no questions asked because he revered it from his childhood.

DaneMcCloud 08-19-2017 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 13024036)
The fact that the VFX in Jurassic Park inspired Lucas to take on the prequels should really be a knock on its legacy.

Well, Lucas was the "Ghost Editor" of JP and he mentioned that the effects were "almost there" in 1992 but he didn't go into production on the Prequels until 1997.

You guys can slam Lucas for screenwriting and directing but the guy is an absolute visionary that changed the entire world of cinema.

DaneMcCloud 08-19-2017 05:11 PM

http://variety.com/2017/film/news/ob...ry-1202531346/


“Rogue One” was the first of the standalones, and Disney is currently shooting an untitled origin tale of beloved smuggler Han Solo. Some of the other standalones in development include a Jabba the Hutt story and a Boba Fett movie.

Frazod 08-19-2017 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13024338)
Well, Lucas was the "Ghost Editor" of JP and he mentioned that the effects were "almost there" in 1992 but he didn't go into production on the Prequels until 1997.

You guys can slam Lucas for screenwriting and directing but the guy is an absolute visionary that changed the entire world of cinema.

True.

He's kind of like Bob Dylan - a brilliant song writer who has no business actually singing.

DaneMcCloud 08-19-2017 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 13025073)
True.

He's kind of like Bob Dylan - a brilliant song writer who has no business actually singing.

LMAO

Perfect

Chiefspants 08-19-2017 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13024338)
Well, Lucas was the "Ghost Editor" of JP and he mentioned that the effects were "almost there" in 1992 but he didn't go into production on the Prequels until 1997.

You guys can slam Lucas for screenwriting and directing but the guy is an absolute visionary that changed the entire world of cinema.

Completely agreed.

The prequels were still refried ass, however.

DaneMcCloud 08-19-2017 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 13025310)
Completely agreed.

The prequels were still refried ass, however.

While I don't necessarily disagree, Lucas totally redeemed himself with the Clone Wars animated series, which IMO, is freaking awesome.

It's everything the prequels should have been.

Chiefspants 08-19-2017 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13025329)
While I don't necessarily disagree, Lucas totally redeemed himself with the Clone Wars animated series, which IMO, is freaking awesome.

It's everything the prequels should have been.

Also agreed, and it demonstrates the wealth of potential in Disney expanding the SW universe.

DaneMcCloud 08-19-2017 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 13025346)
Also agreed, and it demonstrates the wealth of potential in Disney expanding the SW universe.

The cool thing is that Lucas passed on his knowledge of the SWU to Dave Filoni, who's taken the ball and run.

But if Lucas had the prescience to pass the Star Wars torch to KK back in the late 90's...

Hammock Parties 08-20-2017 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13025329)
While I don't necessarily disagree, Lucas totally redeemed himself with the Clone Wars animated series, which IMO, is freaking awesome.

They are awesome because he wasn't writing and directing everything...


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