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If you don't like Arizona, you hate America.

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I'm gonna have a hard time sleeping tonight with Prison Bitch and now ChiefsCountry hating me.

Think I'll log off for a while.

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Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 12968212)

I'm gonna have a hard time sleeping tonight with Prison Bitch and now ChiefsCountry hating me.

Think I'll log off for a while.

Not hate from me, just took your idea and ran with it. If it hits big I'll pull a BossChief and take all the credit.

Is this the official Blue Jays pennant run thread?

Zobrist and Wade Davis coming up big today.... even though Davis made it interesting.

Dodgers trade away Sergio Romo to the Rays. For peanuts.

There's no quit in the DBacks.

****in' Blue Jays...

When is the next big trade?

Blue Jays should be contracted.

Time to get this thread back on track. I've hit 5 Dbacks games this year. All free tickets.

Easily the worst seats I've had all year this past weekend.

http://i.imgur.com/SwP1aRA.jpg

These other ones were pretty legit.

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http://i.imgur.com/wVTdyyO.jpg

I am so ready for the Dodgers to have this incredible record and not win their first playoff series. That's what I want outside of the Royals winning it all.

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Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 12973991)

Looks like a ballpark slammed into a warehouse. Is that accurate?

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 12973997)

Looks like a ballpark slammed into a warehouse. Is that accurate?

:harumph:

You're a terrible person. Guess you've never been in a covered stadium.

Stop following me around and harassing me.

You need a roof when the low for the evening is 90.

Todd frazier debut for Yankees, bases loaded no outs.

Delivers a triple play to end the inning

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 12973997)

Looks like a ballpark slammed into a warehouse. Is that accurate?

It feels like you are in an arena or a gym. The acoustics are like that too. It's arena baseball. Even when the roof is open.

Eduardo Nunez traded to Red Sox

Anyone catching this Twins-Dodgers game that can tell me what's going on?

Turned on the game 5 minutes ago, they're in the middle of a 15 minute delay for a rule dispute or something. Odd look.

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 12974108)

Todd frazier debut for Yankees, bases loaded no outs.

Delivers a triple play to end the inning

Run scoring triple play. If they do that every inning, then they would score a whole 9 runs.

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Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 12973991)

Man, that first pic is bad. Did you stay for the entire game?

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Originally Posted by C3HIEF3S (Post 12974143)

Anyone catching this Twins-Dodgers game that can tell me what's going on?

Turned on the game 5 minutes ago, they're in the middle of a 15 minute delay for a rule dispute or something. Odd look.

illegal double switch. apparently the twins manager said the wrong name to the umpire and the umpire told the Dodgers manager and the guy that went out on the field for the twins was the wrong guy. Ump's apparently had no idea about the rules of baseball and had to call new york so they can straighten it out. in the end the Twins lost their best player because of a manager error that he denied making! lol

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Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 12974230)

Man, that first pic is bad. Did you stay for the entire game?

That wasn't during the game.

Not a packed house but about 30k in attendance.

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12976538)

I'm not speaking directly to the Moustakas thing as his DWAR certainly hasn't helped him and I've never been terribly impressed by his defense (I found him competent, but that's about it).

I'm speaking to WAR generally. It weights defensive contributions too heavily for a stat that simply isn't very good at working with small numbers. The problem is that there's not a significantly better option. I do like that WAR provides position 'penalties' for players that play down the defensive spectrum, but I don't care for its attempts to actually determine and calculate how well a players played that position in a given month/year.

Baseball info solutions DRS is what I prefer for shorter samples but even it's not infallible. That said, DRS says that Moustakas has been worth -6 runs this year (roughly half a game lost) so his glove has clearly been an issue for him over the course of the season. But DRS isn't compared vs. replacement level but rather league average, so I'd say a -10 DRS player is probably roughly replacement level defensively. So Moustakas dWAR on the season should be in the roughly neutral range.

Just thinkin' out loud...

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12976546)

Here's an interesting fact - Jedd Gyorko has the 2nd best DRS in baseball at 3b this year; only 3 behind 1st place (give ya two guesses who that is and you'll only need one). He's closer to 1st than he is to 2nd.

He's roughly 20 defensive runs saved ahead of Moustakas which means his glove has been worth 2 wins compared to Moose's.

I like Moustakas's bat quite a bit but he's looked a little heavier than years past anytime I've seen him play this year. It's possible that he HAS lost some range. He's in the bottom 1/3 of MLB 3rd basemen this year in DRS.

It still seems odd that he's that low among 3b in WAR to me, but it's hard to be a top 10 overall player if your defense places you in the bottom 3rd. Especially at an offensively critical position like 3b where you're already paying a slight WAR penalty for being down the defensive spectrum a bit and most anybody that plays the hot corner can put a charge into the ball.

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12976558)

He's 9th in wOBA and RC+ among qualified 3b and he's held back largely by his refusal to take a walk (which really hurts his OBP, obviously). Add that to the below average defensive performance and pretty poor baserunning figures and I guess it's not that shocking that he's rated a little lower than I figured he'd be.

There are some DAMN good players at 3b this year. In the end, he's just facing some pretty stiff competition at the position so it's driving him down the ranks a bit. I'd say I'd put him in the 8-10th most valuable 3b in the game this year, but when you start to include guys like Sano (who plays a lot of DH) and Harrison/Ramirez (who's WAR is boosted by their time spent at 2b) as well as some closer calls like Longoria, Gyorko, Machado and Seager, I could see how he'd fall down some of those lists depending on how they figure them.

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12976563)

Manny Machado is a good player and a great defender.

Nolan Arenado is a god among men.

Andrelton Simmons kinda broke a few defensive metrics a few years back and I'm a little surprised that Arenado hasn't done the same (some would argue he did in 2013). There's no better defender at any position in the game than Nolan.

The guys a magician.

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12976583)

Eh, that's still Mike Trout. Mike Trout spends 81 games a year trying to blast a ball through a marine layer that I've seen knock down balls that came off the bat at 105 mph. It's incredible to me what he's been able to accomplish in one of the tougher hitting environments in baseball (LAA at night is just brutal).

Put Trout in Coors and I honestly think he could challenge .400. Especially now that he's fixed his K rate while simultaneously bringing his BB rate up AND spiking his power. The current version of Mike Trout may be the most dangerous offensive weapon in baseball HISTORY. And his defense is fine while playing a premium position (no longer elite, but still quite good).

I love Arenado - he may be my favorite player to watch in the game. But it's hard to say he's better than a guy that plays a harder position well, runs the bases exceptionally well and puts up offensive numbers that rival or exceed Arenado's in a far far tougher hitting environment.

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12976585)

Sure they have. But WAR hasn't fully incorporated all of them. dWAR still requires a larger sample size.

You have to use the more specific ones like DRS. I'd imagine the proprietary stuff that heavily utilizes statcast would blow our minds.

I think we get great stuff from John Dewan and his boys, but I think the stuff that the teams never let see the light of day is probably quite a bit better.

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12976620)

Well that's just silly.

Even the things that adjust for park effect have had him routinely in the top 20 due to the fact that he still demonstrates plus power and above average offense even on the road and that his defense doesn't slump.

Moreover, people fail to properly account for the 'Coors hangover'. Everyone's numbers go down when the leave Coors, sure. But it's completely unfair to say "he'd hit to his road numbers if he left" because Coors dicks guys up on the road. They're simply not used to pitches doing what they do.

So sure, their home OPS tends to decrease by 100 points (let's just ballpark for effect) but in the process their road OPS increases by 50 as they're no longer dealing with wild swings in the type of stuff they face based on whether they're at home or on the road.

So sure, Arenado wouldn't put up an OPS over 1 at home anymore, but he'd start putting up an OPS over .900 on the road (he's putting up an OPS approaching .900 on the road even now). I think he'd level out to being a .900-.920 OPS player outside of Coors, provided that he's still in his prime.

Guy's a ridiculous ballplayer.

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12976659)

On defense? C'mon - there's nobody that touches him defensively.

And again, I think Coors hitters are unfairly calculated by getting penalized for playing in Coors in park adjustments but then do not get a commensurate 'bump' for the fact that playing in Coors also damages their road numbers.

If you'd take any 3b in baseball over Nolan Arenado, I think you're nuts. The guy impacts games in ways very few guys can. That said, I'll concede that Rendon's having an exceptional season. I still wouldn't take him over Arenado.

Trying to help out the lost soul in the Royals thread.

Don't let ChiefsCountry catch you doing that shit again!!!

So here's a topic for discussion.

Recent HR binge - juiced ball?

And how much did this play a part in the HR #'s in the steroid era?

I still believe while steroids impact HRs, there were lots of other reasons for the 90's HR binge that played a huge part. And a juiced ball was probably one of them.

Discuss.

JD Martinez with 5 hits since joining the Dbacks.

4 of those are homers including a Grand Slam tonight against the Cards.

I'm going to the OKC Dodgers game tomorrow evening. Anybody worth paying attention to? They are playing the Tecoma Rainiers.

Oh God. Robbie Ray smoked by a liner in the head. Scary

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And the Angels just blew a six run lead in the 9th, with the Jays walking it off with a grand slam.

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 12973997)

Looks like a ballpark slammed into a warehouse. Is that accurate?

I was thinking the same thing. Looks like they are playing in an empty Costco.

Astros score 4 in the bottom of the 9th to beat the Jays 7-6.

I don't know why I watch the Dodgers. They look unstoppable almost every night. Granted they're playing the Mets but they're just beating them up.

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Dodgers going to win 120 games.

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 12995733)

Dodgers going to win 120 games.

Whats crazy is they are doing it without most of their big money players. I think right now the active roster is something like 88million. The payroll is much much higher because of guys who are no longer on the team and a few on the disabled list. Alot of the money is coming off the books after the season and next season.

Dodgers are killing me. The D-Backs have the 5th best record in the league and are in 3rd place in their own division, 15 games back. Craziness!

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Originally Posted by Al Bundy (Post 12995737)

RIP - Ark City, KS Native

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Originally Posted by Hydrae (Post 12996002)

Dodgers are killing me. The D-Backs have the 5th best record in the league and are in 3rd place in their own division, 15 games back. Craziness!

Yea it's pretty insane.

The Dodgers run is something to marvel at. I'm just hoping the Dbacks can maintain somewhat of decent pitching down the stretch and that Colorado falls off.

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Originally Posted by Hydrae (Post 12996002)

Dodgers are killing me. The D-Backs have the 5th best record in the league and are in 3rd place in their own division, 15 games back. Craziness!

Yeah, 15 games over .500 and 16 games behind the Dodgers.

I guess it's somewhat fitting the Rockies and DBacks will probably play to get into the playoffs, but the wild card format just sucks.

DBacks/Dodgers, Rockies/Indians, and DBacks/Cubs this week.... and hopefully the Royals beating the shit out of the Cards.

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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 12996057)

RIP - Ark City, KS Native

And Don Baylor died also. He was instrumental in the Red Sox incredible comeback from down 1-3 in the 1986 ALCS. In game 5 in the 9th Baylor took Mike Witt deep for a 2 run HR to get the Sox Within 1.

Witt is yanked by Mauch, who brings in Gary Lucas, who HBP (not HPV, PB) Rich Gedman.

In comes Donnie Moore to close. And Dave Henderson launches a 2 run shot for the lead, in a game that the Sox win in 11 innings. They go on to win the ALCS and then go all Buckner in NY 10 days later.

Don Baylor was a helluva player.

This game led to Donnie Moore.'s personal life unraveling and he eventually killed himself. (Hence CP lexicon "Donnie Moore yourself".

Jake Lamb grand slam. :eek:

Pretty amazing stat. Tonight was the first time the Dodgers lost to a team that wasn't the Braves since July 2nd.

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 12999770)

Pretty amazing stat. Tonight was the first time the Dodgers lost to a team that wasn't the Braves since July 2nd.

Jesus.

Good game with Dbacks/Cubs.

Let's hope the Dbacks can make a comeback here.

Bryce Harper rolled over first base in an awkward way and hurt his knee. That didn't look good. Every Nationals fan is holding their breath right now.

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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 12996057)

RIP - Ark City, KS Native

Yep. I always thought it was really cool as a kid that a real pro sports player came from my little town.

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 13008916)

Bryce Harper rolled over first base in an awkward way and hurt his knee. That didn't look good. Every Nationals fan is holding their breath right now.

I would be shocked if he plays again this year.

Holy Rafael Devers. 20 year old rookie 3B for the Sox. First ever AB against Aroldis Chapman... gets a 103 mph fastball and blasts it out for a game tying homer. That was impressive. Apparently it's only the 2nd home run Chapman has ever given up to a left handed batter.

White sox about to get raped by the dodgers.

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 13011224)

I ****ing love watching him play. And he's definitely gotten funnier as he makes his final run to retirement. Absolutely loves playing ball.

Great stuff.

Meanwhile, let's check in on the Mets. Tonight they were so depleted by injuries that they played catcher Travis D'Arnaud at 3B. He had never played third. To protect him, they moved him to 2B every time a right handed hitter was up. That's an all time box score.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Mets are dealing with infield injuries just fine, thanks: <a href="https://t.co/wGeGFyaD3j">https://t.co/wGeGFyaD3j</a> <a href="https://t.co/Kg8c0UagFu">pic.twitter.com/Kg8c0UagFu</a></p>— Deadspin (@Deadspin) <a href="https://twitter.com/Deadspin/status/898047012221923328">August 17, 2017</a></blockquote>
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What in the heck.

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Royals acting like a bunch of thugs in that brawl today...oh wait. And Cabrera swings like a bitch.

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Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 13034494)

Royals acting like a bunch of thugs in that brawl today...oh wait. And Cabrera swings like a bitch.

Romine is the bitch who dove after his legs after the first punch. Miggy was coming to swing at him man to man.

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Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 13034562)

Romine is the bitch who dove after his legs after the first punch. Miggy was coming to swing at him man to man.

Textbook takedown technique you'd do facing a bigger man. I like Miggy, but he's just a soft in the middle big man who can hit a baseball better than anyone in the world with a loud mouth.

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Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 13034569)

Textbook takedown technique you'd do facing a bigger man. I like Miggy, but he's just a soft in the middle big man who can hit a baseball better than anyone in the world with a loud mouth.

I dig Miggy but at times he does appear lazy.

I wonder if he was just looking for an easy way out to ride the bench for a good part of the rest of this season given the Tigers fate.

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Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 13034578)

I dig Miggy but at times he does appear lazy.

I wonder if he was just looking for an easy way out to ride the bench for a good part of the rest of this season given the Tigers fate.

Maybe and I've only seen various clips, but it looks like he was trying to big boy with his chest out and got called, pawed like someone who didn't really want to fight and got taken to the ground.

The ****ed up thing is Betances wasn't even ejected immediately. Only after Asmus came screaming and arguing out of the dugout.

Really?! And umpires want us to feel they are doing a good job?!?!

Betances deserves a 10+ game suspension. Throwing at a guy's head and hitting him is way more than a simple beaning or punch.

My GF is a Philly girl, so I've watched a lot of 'em the last couple years. So:

Rhys Hoskins. The kid just hit his 10th bomb in his 17th game. They keep quoting those historical "homers in first x number of games" stats and he's at or near the top of all of them, and the amazing thing is, he went 0 for his first 3 games. Wow.

The best part of this clip of last night's daily Hoskins bomb is, during the home run call, Kruk's in the background saying, "Are you kidding?" ROFL

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Welp. Just under the wire.

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Good for him. And good for them. If(when?)the Dbacks get knocked out of the postseason, I will be rooting 100% for the Astros. If ever a city needed something to feel good about....

How many "trade deadlines" are there in the MLB? It's stupid to allow trades this late in the season. Can you imagine crappy NFL teams trading players to playoff teams 12 weeks into the season.

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Originally Posted by Ron Swanson (Post 13049775)

How many "trade deadlines" are there in the MLB? It's stupid to allow trades this late in the season. Can you imagine crappy NFL teams trading players to playoff teams 12 weeks into the season.

Theoretically there's not really any final deadline where trades are banned. July 31st is the official trade deadline for two teams to trade with no restrictions. After that players have to clear waivers to be traded.

Aug. 31st is usually the last day for moves because playoff rosters have to be set Sept. 1st. You can still theoretically trade guys after today but they can't play in the playoffs. Every once in a while you actually see a September trade.

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 13049806)

They need to make 7/31 the final trade deadline, period. It's dumb to allow trades this late into the season, imo.

JD Martinez with 4 home runs, beating the Dodgers 13-0. First 4 homer game in Dodgers Stadium history... and against 4 different pitchers.

Dodgers seem to be in postseason form lately.

Yeah, the ball isn't juiced. Two 4 HR games in the same season.

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Originally Posted by ModCat (Post 13057553)

JD Martinez with 4 home runs, beating the Dodgers 13-0. First 4 homer game in Dodgers Stadium history... and against 4 different pitchers.

Dodgers seem to be in postseason form lately.

They're pulling for the road team in the WC game for sure. They want nothing to do with Robbie Ray. 1st pitcher in history with 4 10+ K games in a season against the Dodgers. Dbacks lineup looks stacked. Dodgers looks like it is fading.

Blue Jays and Red Sox are in the 18th inning tonight. Josh Donaldson just got tossed mid-AB in the 18th inning for mouthing off while getting ready for an 0-1 pitch, then turned around and snapped on the ump. Good times.

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 13057576)

Yeah, the ball isn't juiced. Two 4 HR games in the same season.

And yet Alex had a piddly 5

Now it's getting fun. Miguel Montero was the only hitter left so he had to hit for Donaldson. Bottom of the 18th, they put Montero at catcher and moved their catcher Raffy Lopez to 3B. He's never played there before.

Meanwhile the Orioles just walked off Betances. Just goes to show how hard building a bullpen is. Yankees have a whole list of cyborgs down there and they still blow games.

Would any of the Dodgers fans on the board come diagnose their problem?

I could never have imagined such a fall.

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Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 13077828)

Would any of the Dodgers fans on the board come diagnose their problem?

I could never have imagined such a fall.

DBacks were 21 games back just 18 days ago, and the Rockies 22.5 back.... now 9 and 13.

Twins are first team ever to hit a home run in each of the first seven innings of a game.

:popcorn:

Teams have September slumps. The Royals had one in 2015. But the Dodgers are in a total freefall. You have to wonder if they lose that first playoff game, the pressure is going to mount big time.