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ILChief 04-30-2017 09:55 AM

What if Smith gets hurt?
 
I think most sane fans want Mahomes to sit behind Smith for a year. If Smith were to get hurt do you scrap the plan and play the rookie or ride it out with Bray and hope he plays well and turns into trade bait?

notorious 04-30-2017 09:56 AM

I will not cheer.

Your Bray comment sounds like a Reid QB 100%. Build them up and trade them before they get exposed.

The Franchise 04-30-2017 09:56 AM

Bray.

RunKC 04-30-2017 10:00 AM

It's going to feel like forever until this kid gets on the field.

God I'm so impatient

TigeRRUppeRRcut 04-30-2017 10:01 AM

You play Bray. You don't invest that many picks to throw your prize out to the wolves.

Hog's Gone Fishin 04-30-2017 10:04 AM

Best case for us would be Smith going down week 17 and Mahommes taking us to the SB and getting a win.

Hammock Parties 04-30-2017 10:05 AM

We'll throw a party.

A Hammock Party.

Mr. Laz 04-30-2017 10:07 AM

Throw Bray to the wolves

Red Dawg 04-30-2017 10:08 AM

That would suck for certain now. You put in Bray because Mahomes needs to sit no mater what if possible unless there's no choice.

Buckweath 04-30-2017 10:08 AM

You definitly play Bray first and see from there.

Bwana 04-30-2017 10:09 AM

If that happens, at this point we get to see Bray. We will also get a lot higher draft pick next year, because Bray is garbage.

ILChief 04-30-2017 10:11 AM

It would be nice if Bray came in lit it up for a few games. Ship him off for a third or fourth

ILChief 04-30-2017 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bwana (Post 12850823)
If that happens, at this point we get to see Bray. We will also get a lot higher draft pick next year, because Bray is garbage.

Bills will get a lot higher pick

Bugeater 04-30-2017 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bwana (Post 12850823)
If that happens, at this point we get to see Bray. Buffalo will also get a lot higher draft pick next year, because Bray is garbage.

Fixed

Bugeater 04-30-2017 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ILChief (Post 12850829)
Bills will get a lot higher pick

God damn you.

OldSchool 04-30-2017 10:13 AM

Then Bray goes in if you're smart. If you're an idiot, you throw Mahomes behind the same line that got Smith hurt and let him get shell shocked and revert to all of the bs in his mechanics and decision making that will sink the team as he throws INT after INT.

KChiefs1 04-30-2017 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bwana (Post 12850823)
If that happens, at this point we get to see Bray. Buffalo will also get a lot higher draft pick next year, because Bray is garbage.


FYP



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KChiefs1 04-30-2017 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ILChief (Post 12850829)
Bills will get a lot higher pick



Dammit!



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pugsnotdrugs19 04-30-2017 10:28 AM

It's Bray's last year of his contract so, he would actually be playing for a contract. But, I don't know if it's far fetched to say that Pat would be the backup. If they feel like he is comfortable by the time the incident happens, he would definitely be ahead of Bray.

Bwana 04-30-2017 10:31 AM

LMAO

What you dickweeds said.

farmerchief 04-30-2017 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 12850805)
Best case for us would be Smith going down week 17 and Mahommes taking us to the SB and getting a win.

I was kind of hoping Mahomes is a fast learner, and Smith gets a minor injury about week 8, then Mahomes has a chance to get his feet wet before he leads us to a SB win!

dls6501 04-30-2017 10:52 AM

If Smith gsts hurt, there are 3 different options I see.....

1) Bray comes in and our offense isnt affected in the slightest bit.

2) Mahomes comes in, isnt ready, and our offense suffers dramatically.

3) Mahomes comes in, provides a spark to our offense, and we go on to accomplish more as a team than we were going to without an injury.

No affect, huge step back, or huge step forward.

Hammock Parties 04-30-2017 10:57 AM

What if Smith dies?

jd1020 04-30-2017 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dls6501 (Post 12850922)
If Smith gsts hurt, there are 3 different options I see.....

1) Bray comes in and our offense isnt affected in the slightest bit.

2) Mahomes comes in, isnt ready, and our offense suffers dramatically.

3) Mahomes comes in, provides a spark to our offense, and we go on to accomplish more as a team than we were going to without an injury.

No affect, huge step back, or huge step forward.

Let's be real here, there is no such thing as a huge step back from Alex Smith's offense.

Chief Roundup 04-30-2017 10:58 AM

You play Bray and let the chips fall where they may.

notorious 04-30-2017 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 12850930)
What if Smith dies?

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MTG#10 04-30-2017 11:04 AM

What if Smith gets hurt, Bray comes in and lights the league on fire? Do we still trade him and go with the unproven rookie next year? Or do we re-sign him and ride Bray until Mahomes becomes disgruntled with lack of playing time and wants out?

jd1020 04-30-2017 11:06 AM

The same thing that happened in SF when he got hurt...

http://i.imgur.com/7drHiqr.gif?noredirect

Now if only there was a team out there we could get two 2nd round picks from.

Hog's Gone Fishin 04-30-2017 11:11 AM

Yes, it will be like Bledsoe getting hurt, Brady coming in and the next 15 years we draft at 32.

Frazod 04-30-2017 11:21 AM

Boy, that would just break my ****ing heart.

Hammock Parties 04-30-2017 11:29 AM

What if Smith is mortally wounded?

Sweet Daddy Hate 04-30-2017 11:34 AM

Unfortunately, I have to hope for Smith's safety although I would not mind seeing Bray take a few snaps because watching Alex play is like massaging your balls with a cheese-grater.

So there's that.

So, stay healthy Alex, play your last season, then pack it up and take your jank-ass fan club with you, please.

Mile High Mania 04-30-2017 11:36 AM

Once Alex has a bad game ... win or lose, the chants for PH2 will begin.

OldSchool 04-30-2017 11:39 AM

The only way Mahomes ever sees the field in 2017 is if the Chiefs absolutely tank the season and they just want to get his feet wet with a few games in year 1 or Smith gets injured and Bray absolutely stinks it up and they have no choice but to try Mahomes early.

notorious 04-30-2017 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 12851011)
Once Alex has a bad game ... win or lose, the chants for PH2 will begin.

Similar to neckbeard and Tebow Christ.

ILChief 04-30-2017 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 12850956)
The same thing that happened in SF when he got hurt...

http://i.imgur.com/7drHiqr.gif?noredirect

Now if only there was a team out there we could get two 2nd round picks from.

Hopefully Mahomes turns out out better than Kapernick

ILChief 04-30-2017 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 12850933)
Let's be real here, there is no such thing as a huge step back from Alex Smith's offense.

Short of just throwing picks like parade candy, you're right

OldSchool 04-30-2017 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 12850956)
The same thing that happened in SF when he got hurt...

http://i.imgur.com/7drHiqr.gif?noredirect

Now if only there was a team out there we could get two 2nd round picks from.

It would be truly hilarious if that was the case.

Smith gets traded to another team and takes them to the playoffs year 1 again, like he did here.

Mahomes does well for a year and then falls off of the deep end along with the rest of the team. Coaching staff and FO gets fired and Mahomes busts, turns Muslim, worships Fidel Castro, and starts kneeling during the National Anthem. ROFL

O.city 04-30-2017 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 12851055)
It would be truly hilarious if that was the case.

Smith gets traded to another team and takes them to the playoffs year 1 again, like he did here.

Mahomes does well for a year and then falls off of the deep end along with the rest of the team. Coaching staff and FO gets fired and Mahomes busts, turns Muslim, worships Fidel Castro, and starts kneeling during the National Anthem. ROFL

Yeah, you sure are a Chiefs fan huh.

Ming the Merciless 04-30-2017 11:55 AM

The only thing it would affect is Smiths potential trade value , if thats a number above zero. I mean, I really don't think sending Mahomes out there immediately is a great idea..I'd rather see him sit behind smith a season or even two but ....*IF* he gets hurt I don't think its the end of the world...Its not like we are going to win more than maybe the wildcard game with smith......

As much as I hate smith I am not going to sit around and root for him to get hurt or do shitty....That was my problem with Cassel haters so I will be consistent....I'd rather see the team win 10 games....get to the wildcard and even lose it but get EXPERIENCE than start a rookie and win 1-2 less games and miss the chance at some post season experience...

You wont see me cheering for Smith's injury or shitty performances...I hope the guy does well.

OldSchool 04-30-2017 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12851058)
Yeah, you sure are a Chiefs fan huh.

Hey, he said the same thing that happened in SF. That's exactly what happened. ROFL

O.city 04-30-2017 11:57 AM

Don't want him getting hurt. He needs to put up a good season. Chiefs will win 12 again, go to the playoffs and see what happens.

The best thing that could happen is Smith making it tough to go to Mahomes next year.

notorious 04-30-2017 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 12851061)

You wont see me cheering for Smith's injury or shitty performances...I hope the guy does well.

100%

I really hope Alex figures it out. He can make the plays, but,......sigh.

O.city 04-30-2017 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 12851066)
Hey, he said the same thing that happened in SF. That's exactly what happened. ROFL

I know it's tough for you guys after this past weekend. But cheering for the Chiefs to bottom out just because you don't like the players they drafted? Yeah, not hypocritical at all.

Ming the Merciless 04-30-2017 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 12851011)
Once Alex has a bad game ... win or lose, the chants for PH2 will begin.

Sure, theres always gonna be a few dumbasses..but by and large unless he strings together some really bad games and we lose 2-3 in a row and go like 3 and 6 I dont think you will see any kind of mass revolution by Chiefs fans...most are educated enough to know Mahomes needs a bit of time...

If we are around 4-3 by game 7 I really dont think you'll see this even if 1 or two of those losses is on ALex (which it probably wont be)

SAUTO 04-30-2017 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12851072)
I know it's tough for you guys after this past weekend. But cheering for the Chiefs to bottom out just because you don't like the players they drafted? Yeah, not hypocritical at all.

They are suck ass people

Ming the Merciless 04-30-2017 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 12851021)
The only way Mahomes ever sees the field in 2017 is if the Chiefs absolutely tank the season

not happening

O.city 04-30-2017 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 12851076)
They are suck ass people

It's just bullshit. For four years we were told how awful people here were for the way they acted in regards to the QB.

Now the tables have turned and it's the same shit.

It's politics 101

Pablo 04-30-2017 12:08 PM

I just hope I am at the game so I can listen as arrowhead gives him the same warm farewell as Cassel.

jd1020 04-30-2017 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 12851089)
I just hope I am at the game so I can listen as arrowhead gives him the same warm farewell as Cassel.

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lcarus 04-30-2017 12:10 PM

This year with Alex I can hope for a 11-5 season and a home wild card win over Tennessee or Indy before getting blown out by Pitt or NE. AND I WON"T EVEN BE MAD! Cause it's Mahomes time after that my friends.

TigeRRUppeRRcut 04-30-2017 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 12851089)
I just hope I am at the game so I can listen as arrowhead gives him the same warm farewell as Cassel.

Careful not to slip on ice and break your hip, old man.

OldSchool 04-30-2017 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12851072)
I know it's tough for you guys after this past weekend. But cheering for the Chiefs to bottom out just because you don't like the players they drafted? Yeah, not hypocritical at all.

Where did I cheer for the Chiefs to bottom out? I simply laid out what happened with SF.

The Chiefs situation is very different from what happened there. You don't have Reid & FO bsing Smith about anything. Hell, he was part of the process in getting Mahomes. He's also in a different place in his career, as someone has already mentioned before, I don't think Smith is far from retiring. If anything it's likely that he won't play elsewhere after KC and, if he decides he wants to continue with football in another capacity, will probably turn into a QB coach/assistant.

My only true gripe about the Mahomes trade and pick was the fact that, in making that move, the Chiefs passed up on the chance to do something better (get Foster, a day 1 impact player, while still having a chance to get a similar developmental prospect in Kizer on day 2. Logically, that would have been the smarter move for improving the team overall while, at the same time, netting a potential QBOTF, particularly if you didn't have Mahomes rated that much higher than Kizer).

lewdog 04-30-2017 12:20 PM

I think the Chiefs sign a cheap, veteran backup.

No way they'd trot Bray out there to play any meaningful snaps, IMO. And I think it's clear that Mahomes won't see snaps the first year either.

OldSchool 04-30-2017 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12851082)
It's just bullshit. For four years we were told how awful people here were for the way they acted in regards to the QB.

Now the tables have turned and it's the same shit.

It's politics 101

Lmao, bs? You have people on here wishing Smith would die/break his legs/back, etc. ROFL

Have you seen anyone wish the same on Mahomes? No.

SAUTO 04-30-2017 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 12851110)
Where did I cheer for the Chiefs to bottom out? I simply laid out what happened with SF.

The Chiefs situation is very different from what happened there. You don't have Reid & FO bsing Smith about anything. Hell, he was part of the process in getting Mahomes. He's also in a different place in his career, as someone has already mentioned before, I don't think Smith is far from retiring. If anything it's likely that he won't play elsewhere after KC and, if he decides he wants to continue with football in another capacity, will probably turn into a QB coach/assistant.

My only true gripe about the Mahomes trade and pick was the fact that, in making that move, the Chiefs passed up on the chance to do something better (get Foster, a day 1 impact player, while still having a chance to get a similar developmental prospect in Kizer on day 2. Logically, that would have been the smarter move for improving the team overall while, at the same time, netting a potential QBOTF, particularly if you didn't have Mahomes rated that much higher than Kizer).

Obviously they had him rated far higher than kizer...

O.city 04-30-2017 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 12851110)
Where did I cheer for the Chiefs to bottom out? I simply laid out what happened with SF.

The Chiefs situation is very different from what happened there. You don't have Reid & FO bsing Smith about anything. Hell, he was part of the process in getting Mahomes. He's also in a different place in his career, as someone has already mentioned before, I don't think Smith is far from retiring. If anything it's likely that he won't play elsewhere after KC and, if he decides he wants to continue with football in another capacity, will probably turn into a QB coach/assistant.

My only true gripe about the Mahomes trade and pick was the fact that, in making that move, the Chiefs passed up on the chance to do something better (get Foster, a day 1 impact player, while still having a chance to get a similar developmental prospect in Kizer on day 2. Logically, that would have been the smarter move for improving the team overall while, at the same time, netting a potential QBOTF, particularly if you didn't have Mahomes rated that much higher than Kizer).

According to who? You?

Logically, they had Mahomes rated as the best QB, pretty highly above the rest.

jd1020 04-30-2017 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 12851110)
My only true gripe about the Mahomes trade and pick was the fact that, in making that move, the Chiefs passed up on the chance to do something better (get Foster, a day 1 impact player, while still having a chance to get a similar developmental prospect in Kizer on day 2. Logically, that would have been the smarter move for improving the team overall while, at the same time, netting a potential QBOTF, particularly if you didn't have Mahomes rated that much higher than Kizer).

Yes, making sure you get an inferior prospect at QB is definitely the right decision.

notorious 04-30-2017 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 12851116)
Lmao, bs? You have people on here wishing Smith would die/break his legs/back, etc. ROFL

Have you seen anyone wish the same on Mahomes? No.

What? 2-3 guys out of how many hundreds.


Come on man.

O.city 04-30-2017 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 12851116)
Lmao, bs? You have people on here wishing Smith would die/break his legs/back, etc. ROFL

Have you seen anyone wish the same on Mahomes? No.

For 4 years, it's been "trust Dorsey, Trust Reid, they're showing you what they want". Well, now they're doing that and it's wrong.

It's pretty transparent as to the reason for what all the shit before was.

And yeah, there are idiots here who are cheering on injuries to players. Thats pretty terrible.

loochy 04-30-2017 12:25 PM

I say we Bray, Bray, oh yeah we Bray BRAaaaay
We've got to Bray just to make it today
I say we Bray
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/UuLT0jg4hYo/hqdefault.jpg

Hammock Parties 04-30-2017 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12851123)
And yeah, there are idiots here who are cheering on injuries to players. Thats pretty terrible.

Alex Smith is barely a Chief at this point. He's just a cuck-in-waiting.

O.city 04-30-2017 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 12851128)
Alex Smith is barely a Chief at this point. He's just a cuck-in-waiting.

He's the starting QB for the Chiefs this year. We need him to play really well, so we can recoup some picks.

notorious 04-30-2017 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12851134)
He's the starting QB for the Chiefs this year. We need him to play really well, so we can recoup some picks.

Yes.

Hammock Parties 04-30-2017 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12851134)
He's the starting QB for the Chiefs this year. We need him to play really well, so we can recoup some picks.

That's not nearly as satisfying as watching the steam from his innards rise on a cold November afternoon after a zombie rips his guts open and starts to feast.

O.city 04-30-2017 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 12851139)
Yes.

Plus the guys on the roster need to play in meaningful games. They need to make the playoffs and win some damn games there.

They've got a damn good coaching staff and roster, so unless something crazy happens, they'll win double digit games and be right there in January.

OldSchool 04-30-2017 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12851118)
According to who? You?

Logically, they had Mahomes rated as the best QB, pretty highly above the rest.

According to me and anyone who believes that you need a great team, and a good defense in particular, in order to have a real shot at winning the Superbowl. Also anyone who was being realistic about the quality of this QB class.

I also wasn't a very big fan of the QBs in this draft to begin with. There wasn't too much that separated the top 4 from each other, IMO. I had the top 5 slotted:

1. Trubisky- 15-20 range
2. Watson - 20-30 range
3. Mahomes - 31-40 range
4. Kizer - 45-55 range
5. Webb - 60-70 range

And that's with the weighted value that QBs are often given. I'm not the only one who didn't think much of the guys available this year.

That's why sitting still and taking Foster, a top 10 talent and guy who was being discussed as a potential top 5 pick prior to his injury issue, would have been far superior to trading a future 1st round pick and a 3rd round pick for the chance to gamble on a QB who was only marginally better than the next best guy.

jd1020 04-30-2017 12:44 PM

No one really gives a shit how you felt about the QBs. Multiple teams with franchise QBs on their way out the door were in on the Mahomes sweepstakes and felt the same way the Chiefs did.

notorious 04-30-2017 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 12851168)
According to me and anyone who believes that you need a great team, and a good defense in particular, in order to have a real shot at winning the Superbowl. Also anyone who was being realistic about the quality of this QB class.

I also wasn't a very big fan of the QBs in this draft to begin with. There wasn't too much that separated the top 4 from each other, IMO. I had the top 5 slotted:

1. Trubisky- 15-20 range
2. Watson - 20-30 range
3. Mahomes - 31-40 range
4. Kizer - 45-55 range
5. Webb - 60-70 range

And that's with the weighted value that QBs are often given. I'm not the only one who didn't think much of the guys available this year.

That's why sitting still and taking Foster, a top 10 talent and guy who was being discussed as a potential top 5 pick prior to his injury issue, would have been far superior to trading a future 1st round pick and a 3rd round pick for the chance to gamble on a QB who was only marginally better than the next best guy.

Once again, if Mahommes works out the Chiefs win a Superbowl.

If Foster works out they are still on the outside looking in.

OldSchool 04-30-2017 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 12851119)
Yes, making sure you get an inferior prospect at QB is definitely the right decision.

To me there wasn't too much that separated the two, Mahomes and Kizer. At least not enough to warrant passing on a potential All-Pro ILB in Reuben Foster.

He is one of the players from this draft whom I believe can be truly special at his position. I'm of the opinion that, if you get a chance to land a blue chipper at a position of need, you land that guy.

OldSchool 04-30-2017 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 12851183)
Once again, if Mahommes works out the Chiefs win a Superbowl.

If Foster works out they are still on the outside looking in.

That's the thing, if.

Foster is much more of a sure thing than any of the Qbs in this draft were.

Also, a top QB isn't a guaranteed superbowl win.

See: Dan Marino historically or Phillip Rivers presently.

notorious 04-30-2017 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 12851189)
That's the thing, if.

Foster is much more of a sure thing than any of the Qbs in this draft were.

Also, a top QB isn't a guaranteed superbowl win.

See: Dan Marino historically or Phillip Rivers presently.

Should I list off all of the great LB's that didn't win Superbowls?

**** no, that would take days.

BryanBusby 04-30-2017 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 12851189)
That's the thing, if.

Foster is much more of a sure thing than any of the Qbs in this draft were.

Also, a top QB isn't a guaranteed superbowl win.

See: Dan Marino historically or Phillip Rivers presently.

He doesn't tumble from top 10 to 31 if you were remotely close. He's a risk, too.

OldSchool 04-30-2017 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 12851179)
No one really gives a shit how you felt about the QBs. Multiple teams with franchise QBs on their way out the door were in on the Mahomes sweepstakes and felt the same way the Chiefs did.

You act like teams have never been wrong and reached on Qbs before.

jd1020 04-30-2017 12:52 PM

How many SBs did the Bears win with Brian Urlacher.

You are the only mother ****er around who cares about an ILB when you are still looking for a franchise QB.

notorious 04-30-2017 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 12851196)
You act like teams have never been wrong and reached on Qbs before.

And you are acting like LB's are not prone to busting, either.

rydogg58 04-30-2017 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12851144)
Plus the guys on the roster need to play in meaningful games. They need to make the playoffs and win some damn games there.

They've got a damn good coaching staff and roster, so unless something crazy happens, they'll win double digit games and be right there in January.

Yup. All we need is for the whole team to not shit the bed this coming year. Show some improvement. We aren't winning it all until Brady retires. That should be right around the time Mahomes is ready to go.

O.city 04-30-2017 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 12851199)
And you are acting like LB's are not prone to busting, either.

See Chiefs 2005 draft for evidence of this debate.

notorious 04-30-2017 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12851253)
See Chiefs 2005 draft for evidence of this debate.

That pick turned out very well.

O.city 04-30-2017 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 12851255)
That pick turned out very well.

It did, for sure.

And said all pro, all time chiefs leading tackler ILB won his first playoff game last year, in his what, 13 year career?


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