Terez says "the Chiefs have done plenty of background on" Mahomes.
Here's his 1st round mock:
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl...139261678.html Watson goes to the Jets. Tribusky to the Browns. Kizer to the Texans. This is what Terez says about #27: Quote:
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If the QBs are gone, I'm going with TJ Watt.
It's the next highest position of importance, we desperately need a real 3rd OLB given that Hali is not in any way a dependable option now and definitely not in the future, and Watt just screams like the kind of player who can instantly contribute and help a team in his rookie year. Is there another non-QB player who would give us that kind of flexibility and strength in both the long and short term? Besides, there will be some damn good ILBs in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. If Foster and Reddick are both gone, I'd rather not spend a 1st rounder on McMillan or Davis if I can get a pass rusher like Watt instead. |
It depends on how they feel about the other QB's.
I think we have 2 choices: 1. Draft TJ Watt or some other pass rusher. 2. Trade down and take the 2nd QB they have high on their board (IMO Peterman). |
Watt is an absolute stud
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I'd trade a first this year for a 3rd or something this year and a 1st next year if it was a team currently picking top 10-ish.
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To start, they would be taking a beating in trade value. Teams have been able to flip a 2nd rounder for a later lick and a next year 1st rounder. Swapping for tomorrow straight up is dumb as ****. This is a deep draft so there's going to be many players on the board. Or is this the part where people think they can just easily wheel and deal for this mythical 2018 class? If this 18 class lives up to the chuckle****s hopes, it'll take a draft package that this ****ing franchise will never, ever part with. I mean **** they were going gay for Paxton Lynch and couldn't be assed to part with a mixed bag of mid-rounders to secure him. What the **** makes people think John Dorsey will pay several high choices instead? |
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We could pay part of that price now instead of waiting for the years after we have our QB and be able to surround him with the weapons and pieces we need. They were not "gay for Paxton Lynch", that is some ridiculous shit. |
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Maybe throw in Allen Bailey as a sweetener. |
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The draft order will come out in 2018. The comp picks will be announced. And the Chiefs will need to pay a handsome price to jump up and grab Mr. Magic Butt**** in teh b3stest QB class evar! Let's say they add an additional draft pick in the mid teens to go along with their late 20s draft pick they were awarded. Are you ready for a Ricky Williams-like trade up to get Mr. Magic Butthole? Because that's what it's going to cost. It's going to cost what the Redskins paid to get RGIII and probably worse. Are you saying that the franchise, GM, and coach that is too ****ing scared to spend a late 1st rounder on Derek Carr or Teddy Bridgewater is going to take THAT big of a risk? Jesus ****, I want a 1st round QB in KC more than most people, and not even I'M that desperate! |
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The best course of action for us is to pick a QB that simply best fits Andy Reid. We're not getting an Andrew Luck. The best we can hope for is getting a Joe Flacco. |
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This is great news. Terez had us taking Chris Jones is his mock last year.
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Guy has always seemed to have a general scoop on what the Chiefs are planning to do... |
If none of the top QB's are available, I wouldn't be opposed to trading away our first again. And the idea of getting a first rounder for next year sounds pretty good considering the draft class of QBs. I would think that a second this year and next year's first would be a fair trade. Of course that would be subjective, based on who we trade with. Trading with the Pats would not be such a good deal for us. Trading with the Browns or the Rams would be a great trade for us, but too high of a price for the other team. I mean, could you imagine having a top 5 pick in next year's draft? Yeah, the Browns could win the Superbowl and the Pats could go 1-15. But I doubt it. It's more likely that KnowShit would question a Donk move. But, I'm sure that this discussion is moot. I just don't see us trading for a 2018 first round pick.
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I've been critical of Mahomes I believe his mechanics are garbage but I'll say this dude has the biggest arm since Favre. If Dorsey drafts him I'll hope on board.
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Yes I would be ready to trade the two 1st rounders in 2018 and one in 2019 to secure that QB. If the 2018 draft is deeper then we wouldn't have to move up as far to get said QB either. What makes you think that they were afraid to draft Carr or Bridgewater? Just because they choose to pass doesn't mean that they were afraid to. |
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It's one thing to sacrifice the future to get something now. If the Chiefs want to use 2019 and 2020 picks to get more in 2018, fine by me, but it's pretty foolish to trade CURRENT first round picks for picks next year. "We wouldn't have to move very far to get a QB." You know who else is thinking that? EVERY SINGLE OTHER TEAM. If the QB class is as bad as you say it is this year, we could see Cleveland, San Diego, New Orleans, Buffalo, Minnesota, and other teams who figure to be terrible try to grab QBs. We could see 4 QBs go before we even get a chance to trade up just to sniff one. And you still haven't addressed my point about 2012. What do we do when the top 3 guys go and we're left with a couple guys with 1st round grades but just aren't "our" guys like Tannehill or Weeden? That kind of draft hole happens far more often than you think. If Andy Reid likes Mahomes, then take him NOW. Let him sit for 1-2 years. I'd rather take my shot on that than bank on making a Redskins-like trade on a QB class we still know ****ing nothing about. |
And if it turns out we DON'T like Mahomes and will just pass totally on a real QB this year, then just wait another year. Don't **** around with next year and shit you can't control just yet.
Make the trade when you need to. Go full Ricky Williams. But do it when it's smart to do so. |
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And it ****ing worked beautifully. They got rid of Bradford and got a 1st rd pick this year. Just once I want us to get one of these guys. |
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I understand it is risky and is thinking outside the box but we cant just set back and hope for one to fall to us. I would like to see is be aggreasive and act like the position is more important than they have. Sent from my SM-S906L using Tapatalk |
That 5th year option is a big deal. If they like someone at 27, take them their. That option is worth more than another oick
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Take the $17M saved from cutting that bitch ass and throw it at Drew Brees for a couple years. Oh who am I kidding? Brees isn't a backup. Doubt the Chiefs even know he'll be available. |
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Lots of "Alex wouldn't have thrown that pick" ...and "Alex would have run for a first down there" and "he was lucky that deep ball was t intercepted and went for a TD" I bet there will be about 20 of us that show patience with the kid through his mistakes and whatnot. My rule for our new QB: 1st year starting...ignore mistakes and point out minute things the kid does well and try to see the little improvements in the kid. Look for mistakes to not be repeated in the same situations. 2nd year...by midseason he should be showing his true potential, but early in the year, the kid gets a pass for 2-3 bad games. That's an extremely tough time for young QBs. Every team they face has done tons of research on what you do well and what you're uncomfortable with and uses it against you. Growing pains are to be expected. 3rd year...Big numbers are to be expected over the last 8 games of the season and into the playoffs, as that's truly when you see a franchise QB make his mark. I want to see the kid play with poise and make decisions quickly and deliver the ball with accuracy and touch. Take advantage of opportunities for big plays and play well under pressure. I don't want to see an ounce of fear...I want to see a guy inspire his team both on the field and off. Honestly, I see Mahomes as the guy that can do all of that. |
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These assholes come across as, "I want what's best for the team! It's classless to root against the QB!" and I can just see them stick to their guns to the point that it causes them to turn into hypocrites. They'll reassert that they were right to cheer for the shitty veterans we traded for because the rookie we drafted isn't doing well. We won't see it very much on this board. I genuinely think people are going to give the guy a lot of leash on here except for a few whackos like Tiger. But we'll see it on places like Clay's RedTribe facebook page or on ChiefsCoalition. Just like you said. "I miss Alex Smith! The guy knew how to win games! Protecting the ball is a vastly underrated skill!" What's even worse, though, is the crazies are going to seek retribution for stupid shit. Some guy who got told he was stupid during the Geno stuff is going to shit and laugh at Mahomes in his struggles. Threebag will be an insufferable ****. |
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Free don't exist in the NFL. They traded a year of cost control for a 4th rounder. That's gonna be a big time oops in the very near future. You absolutely, positively, do not EVER trade out of the 1st unless you're getting at least an additional 2nd in return and don't have to move down more than 10-15 spots for the privilege of doing so. It's a poor decision in the long-run. |
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Traded • 2016 second round pick (#37-Chris Jones) • 2016 fourth round pick (#105-Parker Ehinger) • 2016 sixth round pick (#178-D.J. White) to Chiefs for • 2016 first round pick (#28-Joshua Garnett) • 2016 seventh round pick (#249-Prince Charles Iworah) on 2016-04-28 already looks like a terrific trade. keep the 5th year option, i'll take the extra two potential starters. |
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And DJ White is a complete JAG until proven otherwise. |
If the top 4 QB's are gone when we pick, take the 5th one. If the top 5 are gone, take the 6th one
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I'm a guy that would spend a first rounder on a QB every third year till one hit...but if I don't believe in any of the guys that are on the board when I'm picking, I'm not picking one just to pick one. I have to see a plan in place for how his specific mental and physical skillet can translate to the NFL in KCs specific situation. And not just translate to the NFL...I have to think "if this guy hits his ceiling, can I win superbowls with him?" Superbowls. Will any of his specific mental or physical limitations limit my teams chances of winning a Lombardi trophy? How long will it take for him to learn enough to become the teams starter...best and worst case scenario? How advanced is he at reading defenses presnap? How well does he already know NFL personnel? How long will it take him to learn how to call the really wordy playcalls for Andy Reid's offense? How fast does he identify coverages? How fast does he come off his first read? How often does he throw it past 20 yards downfield?...is he successfull at it, generally? Is he smart enough to dump it off instead of taking really big risks, but also forcing defenses to play honest because he attacks every zone of the field? Does he has a compact/quick release? Has he had to go through progressions and if yes, what kind? Were they high to low? Low to high? Work from left to right and vice versa? What kind of route combinations is he comfortable with? How is he on third down? Does he step up and lead, or go into a shell and play predictably safe football? Do his teammates love him? When he gets to the sideline after a scoring drive, do his teammates greet him with enthusiasm, or does he walk to the sidelines by himself and sit alone? In situations when his team really needed him to make a play, did he generally rise to the occasion and deliver, or does he let you down in those situations? Does he extend plays with his legs and complete big pass plays after buying extra time for teammates to get open? Does he fight for first downs? Do his teammates give everything they have for him? I mean, I'm just a guy on the couch and I try to look for as much info as I can. I can only imagine what kind of stuff Dorsey digs up. |
If the top 4 QBs are gone, I'm looking at McCaffrey RB or Watt LB. Trade down is also an option.
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If the top 4 QBs are gone, I want either Dalvin Cooks, McCaffrey, or trade down.
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If we take McCaffery in the 1st, I'm going to violently puke and blow diarrhea at the same time.
That is a nightmare scenario for me |
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Secondly, I think that McCaffery will be gone before we pick. Are you against Cook as a selection, or just RBs in general in the first? |
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But McCaffery especially. We have so many gadget ****ers that operate out of the short passing game. Ware is a fantastic pass-catching RB. And we line up Hill in the backfield all the time. |
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Houston won't let Mahomes slip by them, and that is assuming he makes it that far. If he is sitting there at 24 and we want him, we are going to HAVE to trade up to get him.
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I don't think they'll both be gone by our pick. And frankly, I think O'Brien would prefer Kizer to Mahomes but that's just my impression. |
After seeing McCaffrey run routes at his day, I'd gladly take him here.
I think the dude ends up being Brian Westbrook 2.0 with the ability to play some wr. |
I like the idea of McCaffrey in that it allows us to carry an extra player somewhere else. Because of his versatility, you could carry 1 less wr or rb and an extra dl or something on gameday
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Mahomes will not go in the first.
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Because 'Even Steven' under center is incapable of producing MORE yards or points, he just produces them differently regardless of the weapons we have. So if you bring in McCaffrey, his yardage will just come at the expense of Ware, Kelce, Hill, Maclin and Conley. It will not come in addition to their yards. Alex Smith is incapable of being more productive than average regardless of the weapons you give him. Surround him with HoFers and he's throwing for 3800 yards and running for 200 more while being responsible for somewhere between 18 and 23 TDs. Give him utter tripe and he's throwing for 3300 yards while running for 400 more and being responsible for somwhere between 17 and 22 total TDs. Stop bothering. Stop getting him linemen. Stop getting him receivers or running backs. Stop using capital to try to improve his situation because it just doesn't goddamn matter - he is going to throw for 220-230 YPG and run for another 20ish. And if the passing yards go up, the rushing yards will come down. You're looking at 230-240 yards per game in total offense from Alex Smith regardless of who you give him. So burning another 1st round pick on him would be goddamn reeruned because in the end, all it's going to do is change the 'how' on the yardage and points, it ain't gonna change the 'how much'. And it won't change the 'when' - which is to say that when we need him most, he'll turtle and dump it off while your shiny first round draft pick is running uncovered down the center of the field. He's the absolute pinnacle of mediocrity. I've never seen anything like it. |
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I'll suffer through another year of Smith if there's a rookie behind him that's getting groomed. And not some bullshit 5th round pick either. |
They've essentially set them up to have to move on from smith next year at this point, financially.
It depends how they can play their board. At this point, a qb of the future is obviously a priority, I was just pointing out McCaffrey as a player in a vacuum. He's gonna be a really good pro somewhere and I think in a Reid's offense, with the other weapons here, we'd be awesome. |
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I think at this point, we have enough data to make a conclusion on the current qb. He did his job here and I'm grateful. Now it's time to take it to the next level.
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He isn't. It's not a flop - it's simply giving a guy plenty of rope and watching him hang himself. Smith has been a virtually identical player for his 4 years here and the talent put around him hasn't changed things. When his supporting cast is bad, that's a good team. When his supporting cast is good, he's the governor; the limiting factor that keeps the team from taking the next step. He's served his purpose and it's time to replace him. |
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And somebody will think exactly that. They'll see the arm talent, athleticism and improvisational skills and believe they can fix him. That's the nature of NFL front office guys - ego fuels them to believe they can iron out any kinks. And I'll tell you this - they can iron out a lot of them. I think somebody will take a shot at him (and no, he is in no way any worse than the 4th best QB in this class. Tell me you're not putting guys like Peterman and Webb ahead of him). |
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That said, I don't think it's horrible that KC will start him for one more... and it IS time to be developing a day 1 or 2 rookie. |
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http://arrowheadaddict.com/2017/03/2...trick-mahomes/
Opponent: Louisiana Tech Improvises well and slides in the pocket to buy himself time Will carry the ball low-and-loose while doing so (sliding in the pocket) Throwing motion seems to vary between a 3/4ths and over-the-top delivery Has some slick and convincing ball fakes Can fling it effortlessly Footwork looks sludgy in the pocket at times Can quickly get going (scramble) to avoid pressure His game appears to lack attention to detail Some of his pitches (to running backs) look lazy Thinks/reacts quickly in the face of a negative play Threw a BAD pick (that was called back) due to pressure Mechanics are REALLY inconsistent Bad touch on a screen pass Freezes in the face of pressure quite often (three times in this game) Throws off of his back foot a lot Doesn’t step into his throws enough Often doesn’t tuck the ball away when leaving the pocket (on a scramble) Seems he’s regularly flat-footed in the pocket Opponent: West Virginia Ball sailed the result of not stepping into a throw Threw a horrible pass that almost got picked Athleticism gets him out of trouble half of the time FANTASTIC downfield throw despite pressure Touch on certain kinds of throws just isn’t there Sells the read-option REALLY well His offensive line STINKS! Makes A LOT of plays for leaky pass pro GREAT arm (TD on 3rd & 29)! Ball zips when his mechanics are good Throws outside the numbers take a while to get there Struggles to throw the fade route Quick screens are usually thrown high Makes some WTF throws sometimes when pressured Throws well on the run Almost got receiver decapitated on a crosser Trying to create a play out of nothing often gets him sacked Love all that I’m seeing in receiver Keke Coutee! Opponent: Arizona State Mahomes’ offense bears a resemblance to Reid’s west coast system Doesn’t always know when to pitch the ball in read-option situations I like Derrick Willies! Has trouble resetting his feet when sliding in the pocket Has trouble sensing pressure coming from his back side Bad mechanics caused two picks Opponent: Oklahoma I LIKE Sadler! Mahomes should NEVER throw across his body Did he just throw a pass left-handed? Touch on deep throws is questionable Throws lack velocity due to poor mechanics Makes too manym near-pick throws Retreats in pocket waaaaaay too much Keeps his eyes downfield when trying to make a play Fantastic job of selling read-option Questionable accuracy on deep balls Can be baited into picks by a defender Did I say how much I like Coutee? Ball placement is suspect Has tough time putting the ball around the numbers Can improvise when necessary DIME to Davis for a TD I LIKE Giles! This many throws in the NFL would lead to a ton of turnovers Mahomes has trouble sliding when he scrambles (doesn’t look smooth) Has skill players who make a TON of plays for him Opponent: Baylor Throws into a group of defenders a bunch Retreating into the pocket will be a BIG problem at the next level KEKE COUTEE! Great adjustment on the TD FANTASTIC TD catch (Dylan Cantrell) Mahomes has some great weapons who contribute lots of chunk plays Quan Shorts! TD! Wow! KEKE COUTEE! (Expletive redacted) He’d be GREAT in Kansas City Giles BUCKLED a defender with a move in the open field WOOOOOOOOOW Weapons showed him up in this game! Intentional grounding was ATROCIOUS Coutee concentration on a tipped ball! Threw a dime on a would-be TD to Wesley Great back-shoulder throw on Cantrell TD Coutee is a FREAK! Wesley with TWO end zone drops? Third Quarter scramble was IMPRESSIVE Coutee FROZE a man with a move to earn more yards Touch on fades and corners? YUCK! Opponent: Kansas Swing passes are consistently poorly thrown Cantrell bailed Mahomes out with a magnificent grab in the first quarter Giles has wheels (first quarter TD) Cameron Batson’s a playmaker! WTF INT to Smithson Giles is FAST! Pressure just causes Mahomes to panic Back foot throws are the rule (not the exception) Derrick Willies made a GREAT catch in traffic to avoid Mahomes’ pass being picked Batson’s damn good in the open field Coutee with a ridiculous second quarter TD catch Slant throws typically high SICK catch for TD by Willies to end the half 3rd and 9 sack in third quarter was AWFUL! He lost 22 yards!! Great play on a QB draw! Opponent: Oklahoma State Throws to sidelines? WOOF! Ran into a sack Cantrell having a day! Long, wind-up delivery SICK ball fake on a read-option play One-handed grab by Cantrell! Great contested catch by Batson So many wayward throws Mahomes line is GAB-BAGE! Fourth Quarter near pick in the redzone was TURR-IBLE (Charles Barkley voice) Giles can go with the ball in his hands! Opponent: Texas Christian It’s unbelievable how rarely he sets his feet and steps into his throws Delayed blitzes/stunts/twists cause Mahomes BIG problems Batson makes plays out of no play Great throw on the run to Reginald Davis III for a TD Batson bailed Mahomes out on what would have been a sure interception Costs receivers yardage with high throws With time, he can still struggle to find an open receiver or throw one open Hangs on to the ball TOO LONG TOO MUCH Overtime scramble for a TD! WOW! Opponent: Texas Good catch by Willies with defender draped all over him Willies is a tough receiver who runs well after the catch DIME to Giles late in the first quarter Giles tiptoed the sidelines beautifully on early TD grab Maybe the best game I’ve watched Mahomes play Flashes the potential to succeed at the next level in this game 3rd & 15 Houdini escape act (second quarter play) Keeps cool despite collapsing pocket (third quarter play) Great throw on a fade route (would-be TD to Cantrell) Batson tough run after catch for a TD Like how he keeps his eyes downfield with chaos around him Willies has the look of an NFL receiver (big guy who can run) LASER to Cantrell (fourth quarter play) DIME to Giles for a near TD GREAT touch to Cantrell on shallow cross Mahomes has a tell (dips the ball below his waist just before delivering it) Cantrell having another day! Tough pick to nullify a great comeback Opponent: Kansas State Giles with good move to sidestep defender and get a first down (first quarter play) GOOD catch by Giles on a high-throw (first quarter play) DIME to Lauderdale…over-the-shoulder INCREDIBLE ball fake on the keeper play (TD) Mahomes throws often get his receivers blown up (recognition issue?) Play fake, TERRIBLE pick-6 (RECOGNITION?) Coutee’s so good. Great vision! Great open-field runner! SPEED! TD catch and run! Second Quarter TD run of 16 yards. SUPERB! (audible WHOA) Deep throw to Coutee – 45 yards in the air Coutee climbed a ladder to haul in a tall throw from Mahomes (second quarter play) Lauderdale is talented. Will be good if he continues to improve. DUMB sack on 3rd & 11 (third quarter play) Tough third down conversion by Willies! Great deep sideline throw to Giles Tough third down catch-and-run for first down to Giles Beautiful throw on would-be TD to Cantrell (called back) Coutee FIGHTS for extra yards! Cantrell sticks out on tape! Good possession WR with sticky hands! (he’d be great in NE) STUPID touchdown grab at the back of the end zone by Batson! Overall, I think the negatives outweigh the positives with Mahomes. His issues with inconsistent mechanics are deeply troubling to me. He’ll need time to adjust his throwing motion, learn to properly set his feet and step into his throws to correct his issues with ball placement. He’s a bit more of project than a Day 1 prospect should be in my estimation. I think with the right coach, he could eventually become a good football player in the National Football League. As it stands, he has far too many bad habits to warrant the 27th overall pick. Were the Chiefs in rebuild mode, he’d be an excellent draft choice in the middle rounds. They’d be in perfect position to afford him all the developmental time necessary. Even late in the first round, I think the Chiefs should pursue a more NFL-ready player. There are other quarterbacks, with comparable talent and development needs, that can be had in the third and fourth round. Sadly, the tape did more to expose Mahomes than cement him as the right decision for Kansas City in Round One. He has enough talent that the pick shouldn’t disappoint anyone in the Kingdom, but he also comes with enough question marks to make it the decision imprudent. I know full well this post could potentially be highly controversial so I encourage you to watch the game film and come to your own conclusions. Of course this still doesn’t answer the question of who I think the Chiefs should draft with the 27th pick, but there is time still for having that conversation. It’s a process (of elimination). I plan to take a look at Deshaun Watson next week. Would you be willing to take a risk on a player with your top pick simply for the sake of the organization finally drafting another quarterback in the first round? Do you have a different opinion of the same game tape? Is there another quarterback you’d prefer to have in the top round? Use the comment section below to weigh in on the subject. As always, we appreciate your readership and support! |
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