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The Franchise 03-08-2017 09:56 AM

Chiefs tender Cairo Santos
 
Chiefs extended an original-pick tender to restricted free agent K Cairo Santos.

Santos won the Chiefs' kicker job as an UDFA in 2014. If he plays on the tender, he'll earn $1.797 million in 2017. Santos made a career-high 88.6 percent of his field goals last season and nailed 36-of-39 extra points.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash">#Chiefs</a> have placed an original-round tender on Cairo Santos, a source tells me. Means Chiefs can match any offer he gets or pay him $1.797M</p>&mdash; Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/TerezPaylor/status/839502236250177536">March 8, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Sofa King 03-08-2017 09:57 AM

Good deal

Red Dawg 03-08-2017 09:59 AM

We set him up well on offense.

ptlyon 03-08-2017 10:01 AM

The fresh maker

Dave Lane 03-08-2017 10:03 AM

How many more points did Santos score than Alice last year? And can he throw past 10 yards?

Pasta Little Brioni 03-08-2017 10:08 AM

The thought of those kicker setups bring a morning pup tent to the table!

Demonpenz 03-08-2017 10:20 AM

That kick in the Denver game haha

WhawhaWhat 03-08-2017 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 12773753)
How many more points did Santos score than Alice last year? And can he throw past 10 yards?

If you count TD passes as points for the QB then:

Santos: 129 pts
AS: 120 pts

If you don't:

Santos: 129 pts
AS: 30 pts

Pasta Little Brioni 03-08-2017 10:23 AM

Uh, kickers generally are the higher "scorers" in the league. Passes thrown don't count so you'd need to cross the plane with the ball 22 times to top Cairo.

ptlyon 03-08-2017 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 12773781)
If you count TD passes as points for the QB then:

Santos: 129 pts
AS: 120 pts

If you don't:

Santos: 129 pts
AS: 30 pts

Does that include running TD'S too?

Stryker 03-08-2017 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 12773780)
That kick in the Denver game haha

Doink! Never gets old...

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DJ's left nut 03-08-2017 10:34 AM

I'd like to see a way to extend him for 3-4 years that doesn't go too overboard. The Chiefs have put a lot into developing Santos and I'd hate to see some other team be the beneficiary of it.

Fish 03-08-2017 10:36 AM

He's so tender....

pugsnotdrugs19 03-08-2017 10:52 AM

So he's basically on a transition tag, a cheap one at that.

I'd bet he's gone. Some team with loads of cap room might try to make him the highest paid kicker or some shit.

Mile High Mania 03-08-2017 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 12773832)
So he's basically on a transition tag, a cheap one at that.

I'd bet he's gone. Some team with loads of cap room might try to make him the highest paid kicker or some shit.

You better hope that doesn't happen.

McManus received an 2nd round tender as well... I think that's the path you take with kickers in today's salar cap era. Puts his # for 2017 around $2.7M, nice bump from $600k.

pugsnotdrugs19 03-08-2017 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 12773889)
You better hope that doesn't happen.

McManus received an 2nd round tender as well... I think that's the path you take with kickers in today's salar cap era. Puts his # for 2017 around $2.7M, nice bump from $600k.

Well they put an original round tender on him, and he was an UDFA. So the Chiefs get nothing in return if he departs, basically making him a FA where the Chiefs have first refusal.

I think Santos will be gone.

oldman 03-08-2017 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stryker (Post 12773804)
Doink! Never gets old...

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No, it just doesn't :)

Mile High Mania 03-08-2017 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 12773893)
Well they put an original round tender on him, and he was an UDFA. So the Chiefs get nothing in return if he departs, basically making him a FA where the Chiefs have first refusal.

I think Santos will be gone.

Wonder what they've set as their bar to match. The top 11 kickers make $2m.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/average/kicker/

ct 03-08-2017 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 12773893)
Well they put an original round tender on him, and he was an UDFA. So the Chiefs get nothing in return if he departs, basically making him a FA where the Chiefs have first refusal.

I think Santos will be gone.

Who is going to sign Carlos Santos?

thabear04 03-08-2017 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ct (Post 12774362)
Who is going to sign Carlos Santos?

Eagles maybe.

ct 03-08-2017 04:02 PM

i'm gonna go out on a limb and speculate nobody is going to offer Carlos Santos > $1.797M, or any long term deal that pays him that much on average.

DJ's left nut 03-08-2017 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ct (Post 12774403)
i'm gonna go out on a limb and speculate nobody is going to offer Carlos Santos > $1.797M, or any long term deal that pays him that much on average.

It's a weird position; it's like goalies in hockey in that you know when your sucks badly but it seems like nobody ever wants to spend what it takes to get a better one because they're seen as largely fungible unless they're truly elite.

There's a thing called the Endowment Effect (my preferred terminology is 'divestiture aversion' because it makes me sound smarter). It says that someone is willing to give up less to acquire an item than they would be willing to give that item up for if they already had it.

I think you see that a lot with these fringier players. If a GM had Cairo Santos on their team, they'd be willing to spend $2 million to keep him. But since they don't presently have Cairo Santos, they're not going to be willing to spend that $2 million to acquire him.

I don't expect anyone's going to 'snipe' Cairo Santos but at the same time, I don't think there's any question that the Chiefs, unless they're really over a barrel, will match what contract he's offered. It's a pretty close off-shoot of the endowment effect.

TrebMaxx 03-08-2017 04:24 PM

I don't get into all the details of all the rules and so forth but I have a question. Can Santos accept the offer and sign a contract basically taking himself off the open market?

The Franchise 03-08-2017 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrebMaxx (Post 12774436)
I don't get into all the details of all the rules and so forth but I have a question. Can Santos accept the offer and sign a contract basically taking himself off the open market?

He doesn't have to do anything if he wants to stay with the Chiefs. He can get paid his 2nd round tender and play for us. It's just there so that he can go out and talk to other teams. If they choose to offer him a deal, then we would have a chance to match....or they have to give us their 2nd round pick.

Deberg_1990 03-08-2017 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 12774509)
He doesn't have to do anything if he wants to stay with the Chiefs. He can get paid his 2nd round tender and play for us. It's just there so that he can go out and talk to other teams. If they choose to offer him a deal, then we would have a chance to match....or they have to give us their 2nd round pick.

Id take a 2nd for Santos. Hes good, but not irreplaceable or anything.

pugsnotdrugs19 03-08-2017 05:23 PM

We would get a 2nd for Sorenson, nothing for losing Santos.

The Franchise 03-08-2017 05:26 PM

Yeah shit...that's my bad. I was typing about Santos and thinking about Sorensen's deal.

arrwheader 03-08-2017 05:35 PM

If I was a team in the AFC west with tons of cap room I would buy up santos just to set the Chiefs back a bit and have to worry about a rookie kicker missing. If they went rookie on the kicker. You could bring another vet in but would probably cost you more or the same to keep Santos. Funny, kickers can make or break a game for you but they get paid shit compared to others. To add lol this team def needs a good kicker with AS at the helm.


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