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Mr_Tomahawk 08-27-2016 02:36 PM

49ers trade cornerback Kenneth Acker to the Chiefs, most likely a conditional draft p
 
49ers trade cornerback Kenneth Acker to the Chiefs, most likely a conditional draft pick, according to a league source


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OldSchool 08-27-2016 02:37 PM

Bad sign for the rookies we drafted.

Mr_Tomahawk 08-27-2016 02:37 PM

49ers traded CB Kenneth Acker to Chiefs for a seventh-round pick in 2018, per source.

-schefter


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Simply Red 08-27-2016 02:38 PM

FIRE IN THA HOLE!

Mr_Tomahawk 08-27-2016 02:38 PM

https://twitter.com/terezpaylor/stat...34998919897088


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eDave 08-27-2016 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 12389965)
FIRE IN THA HOLE!

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Deberg_1990 08-27-2016 02:41 PM

49ner to Chiefs pipeline continues to flow....

RunKC 08-27-2016 02:42 PM

65 tackles and 3 INT's last year

Red Dawg 08-27-2016 02:42 PM

Who cares.

oldman 08-27-2016 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 12389963)
Bad sign for the rookies we drafted.

Indeed.

DaneMcCloud 08-27-2016 02:43 PM

Hopefully, it's Chip Kelly once again dumping talented players...

http://www.oregonlive.com/nfl/index....b_kenneth.html

March 15, 2016 at 11:32 AM

San Francisco 49ers cornerback Kenneth Acker earned an extra $273,631 due to his increased playing time in 2015. The former Grant High Generals star started 14 games and saw action on 62.44 percent of the team's defensive snaps during the season, and he was the 49ers top earner for the bonus.

San Francisco 49ers cornerback Kenneth Acker's solid play earned him increased playing time during the 2015 season. The increased playing time resulted in a big bonus.

The second-year pro and former Grant High Generals star earned an extra $273,631 due to his playing time. Acker started 14 games and saw action on 62.44 percent of the team's defensive snaps during the season, and he was the 49ers top earner for the bonus, according to the NFL Management Council.

Acker, the 49ers' sixth-round selection (180th overall) out of Southern Methodist in the 2014 NFL Draft, played in his first season in 2015 after missing the 2014 season with a foot injury. He finished with 65 tackles and three interceptions in 2015.

San Francisco and former Oregon star defensive lineman Arik Armstead earned an extra $34,981 after playing in 30.30 percent of defensive plays in 2015. Armstead finished the season with 19 tackles and two sacks in 16 games in 2015.

Performance-based pay divides a pool of $3.633 million for each team and each player receives a share. The payments for each player are determined by playing time and a player's salary. The players earning the least and playing the most receive larger bonuses.

DaneMcCloud 08-27-2016 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 12389979)
Who cares.

The secondary is fill with inexperienced 1st and 2nd year players and you don't care?

WTF?

RealSNR 08-27-2016 02:44 PM

Gaines is still nursing his vagina?

Stinger 08-27-2016 02:45 PM

49erfication of the Chiefs continues.

RealSNR 08-27-2016 02:46 PM

Hope it's not like when we soaked the Seahawks out of their 5th rounder for Kelcie McCray

DaneMcCloud 08-27-2016 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 12389985)
Gaines is still nursing his vagina?

Gaines looked fine today.

The issue is the guys behind him in Cooper, Nelson, Russell and White.

Russell's been running with the 3's and 4's and hasn't done dick. Nelson hasn't stood out, either. Cooper's been, well, Cooper. Neither good or bad. White has upside but he's not ready to start.

At least Dorsey continues to churn the roster.

MMXcalibur 08-27-2016 02:46 PM

Trust in the Dorsey.

CoMoChief 08-27-2016 02:47 PM

So does KeiVarae Russell just suck or something ?

RealSNR 08-27-2016 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12389992)
Gaines looked fine today.

The issue is the guys behind him in Cooper, Nelson, Russell and White.

Russell's been running with the 3's and 4's and hasn't done dick. Nelson hasn't stood out, either. Cooper's been, well, Cooper. Neither good or bad. White has upside but he's not ready to start.

At least Dorsey continues to churn the roster.

Well, Steve Nelson did look way improved from a year ago, but it probably wasn't enough.

the Talking Can 08-27-2016 02:50 PM

that seems cheap for a guy that started 14 games....missing some info here

OldSchool 08-27-2016 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 12389985)
Gaines is still nursing his vagina?

Nah, Gaines looked fine out there to me.

It's probably more about the fact that the rookies just don't look ready at all to play a significant role.

Right now the only solidCBs we have are:

Peters
Gaines
Nelson

Those are literally the only 3 CBs that we have who have experience playing and are actually good enough to play (which rules out Cooper).

The rookies have shown that they aren't ready to play significant snaps judging by their performances in the Pre-season games and we are royally screwed if either Gaines or Peters goes down.

Trading for Acker is the right move, IMO. He's solid and has shown better coverage ability than Nelson so far in his career. He's young and has better size, and therefore better versatility, than Nelson.

Mr_Tomahawk 08-27-2016 02:53 PM

Don't the first wave of roster cuts come, tomorrow?


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DaneMcCloud 08-27-2016 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 12390000)
that seems cheap for a guy that started 14 games....missing some info here

One word for you: Chip Kelly

OldSchool 08-27-2016 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 12390000)
that seems cheap for a guy that started 14 games....missing some info here

He was a former 6th rounder.

CoMoChief 08-27-2016 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 12390003)
Nah, Gaines looked fine out there to me.

It's probably more about the fact that the rookies just don't look ready at all to play a significant role.

Right now the only solidCBs we have are:

Peters
Gaines
Nelson

Those are literally the only 3 CBs that we have who have experience playing and are actually good enough to play (which rules out Cooper).

The rookies have shown that they aren't ready to play significant snaps judging by their performances in the Pre-season games and we are royally screwed if either Gaines or Peters goes down.

Trading for Acker is the right move, IMO. He's solid and has shown better coverage ability than Nelson so far in his career. He's young and has better size, and therefore better versatility, than Nelson.

Nelson is not solid...he's looked like crap this preseason so far.

But to add to your point trading for Acker was the right move. CB depth is awful on this team right now.

DaneMcCloud 08-27-2016 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 12390004)
Don't the first wave of roster cuts come, tomorrow?


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Tuesday

DaneMcCloud 08-27-2016 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 12390010)
Nelson is not solid...he's looked like crap this preseason so far.

No, he has not looked like "crap".

That said, he doesn't look ready to start in the Nickel role.

Spott 08-27-2016 02:55 PM

How does Acker feel about the national anthem?

kc79 08-27-2016 02:58 PM

The 9ers Pack replay is on the network now. Get a look at Acker

OldSchool 08-27-2016 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 12390010)
Nelson is not solid...he's looked like crap this preseason so far.

But to add to your point trading for Acker was the right move. CB depth is awful on this team right now.

Nelson has improved significantly from last season from what I've seen.

He should only be a #4 right now though.

the Talking Can 08-27-2016 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12390007)
One word for you: Chip Kelly

must be

Titty Meat 08-27-2016 03:01 PM

49ers friend says he sucks so there's that

the Talking Can 08-27-2016 03:01 PM

good job dorsey

we're getting production right now, they're getting the last pick in the draft 2 years from now :D

tk13 08-27-2016 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 12390025)
must be

He certainly had no problem dumping good players who didn't fit his system in Philly.

tk13 08-27-2016 03:04 PM

Also credit to Dorsey... whether this guy works out, Dorsey is always grinding, looking for more players to throw into the mix. He's really the complete opposite of Pioli.

DaneMcCloud 08-27-2016 03:07 PM

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...A/AckeKe00.htm

13 starts, 3 INT's, 53 tackles, 8 Passes Defensed

From those stats alone (which of course could be misleading), he appears to be a guy that contribute immediately.

Mr. Laz 08-27-2016 03:08 PM

It does indicated what Dorsey and co think about our corner depth.

the Talking Can 08-27-2016 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 12390039)
Also credit to Dorsey... whether this guy works out, Dorsey is always grinding, looking for more players to throw into the mix. He's really the complete opposite of Pioli.

even assuming this guy is 'bad'....there is 'nfl starter with experience' bad, and there is rookie bad

dorsey is willing to make this deal for a marginal, but real, difference in overall performance

Red Dawg 08-27-2016 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12390047)
It does indicated what Dorsey and co think about our corner depth.

No it doesn't. I doubt we traded to this guy thinking he will play this season. Project they hope may be a back up 2 years from now.

Titty Meat 08-27-2016 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 12390048)
even assuming this guy is 'bad'....there is 'nfl starter with experience' bad, and there is rookie bad

dorsey is willing to make this deal for a marginal, but real, difference in overall performance

But Cooper and Fleming both have NFL experience. Hopefully they see something they like about the guy. Either way it's just a shitty pick so no loss either way.

DaneMcCloud 08-27-2016 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 12390053)
No it doesn't. I doubt we traded to this guy thinking he will play this season. Project they hope may be a back up 2 years from now.

LMAO

Are you ****ing high?

13 starts, 3 INT's, 53 tackles, 8 Passes Defensed in 2015.

He's the Nickel until proven otherwise.

OldSchool 08-27-2016 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigMeatballBillay (Post 12390059)
But Cooper and Fleming both have NFL experience. Hopefully they see something they like about the guy. Either way it's just a shitty pick so no loss either way.

It's conditional. We lose nothing if he doesn't stay on the roster.

DaneMcCloud 08-27-2016 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 12390062)
It's conditional. We lose nothing if he doesn't stay on the roster.

I haven't seen any proof that it's Conditional. Schefter didn't report it as such on Twitter.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">49ers traded CB Kenneth Acker to Chiefs for a seventh-round pick in 2018, per source.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/769634791490744320">August 27, 2016</a></blockquote>
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penbrook 08-27-2016 03:20 PM

Dorsey said he will be a backup and is a great special teams player

TEX 08-27-2016 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12390060)
LMAO

Are you ****ing high?

13 starts, 3 INT's, 53 tackles, 8 Passes Defensed in 2015.

He's the Nickel until proven otherwise.

Yep. Probably so. Which is fine.

hometeam 08-27-2016 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigMeatballBillay (Post 12390059)
But Cooper and Fleming both have NFL experience. Hopefully they see something they like about the guy. Either way it's just a shitty pick so no loss either way.

Only experience Fleming has is getting his ass torched to the tune of us losing out on a first round bye.

Should have been cut after week 1 last year.

WhiteWhale 08-27-2016 03:25 PM

Bringing in CB depth is a good idea. More bodies to battle it out for those spots only helps us. It's a weakness, and every team knows it.

Peters and Gaines both pretty much have to stay healthy, from what I've seen, for the pass defense to remain effective.

It's not a big change, but anything that increases competition can only help.

Bewbies 08-27-2016 03:27 PM

If this one earns Fleming his walking papers count me as thrilled.

RunKC 08-27-2016 03:29 PM

Peters and Gaines are the only CB's who have experience, unless you count Cooper who has been trash.

They do like Nelson, but this is his first time playing CB full time, so having an experienced player back there was a need.
This team is in win now mode, so this move makes sense.

I'm reading on Twitter that Acker did not fit the new staff's scheme.

Mr. Laz 08-27-2016 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 12390084)
If this one earns Fleming his walking papers count me as thrilled.

I'm pretty sure seeing Fleming getting burned by Chicago's #5 Wrs should have finished off his career on the Chiefs.

DaneMcCloud 08-27-2016 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12390087)
I'm reading on Twitter that Acker did not fit the new staff's scheme.

Their current defensive coordinator spent the past two seasons as the DC for the Cleveland Browns.

That ought to be an indicator of the his competence (or lack thereof).

Buckweath 08-27-2016 04:13 PM

Fans shouldnt be that concerned about our CBs. You look at the Carolina Panthers who are touted to be a top 5 defense and their CBs are pretty much like the Chiefs except they have no Marcus Peters.

Our starting trio of Peters, Gaines and Nelson consist clearly of three players on the rise and if Gaines can just come back at the level he was before his injury, I think it can be a solid trio. The depth now with Ackers is inexperienced but decent in my opinion.

Mr. Laz 08-27-2016 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buckweath (Post 12390134)
Fans shouldnt be that concerned about our CBs. You look at the Carolina Panthers who are touted to be a top 5 defense and their CBs are pretty much like the Chiefs except they have no Marcus Peters.

Our starting trio of Peters, Gaines and Nelson consist clearly of three players on the rise and if Gaines can just come back at the level he was before his injury, I think it can be a solid trio. The depth now with Ackers is inexperienced but decent in my opinion.

NFL teams shouldn't worry about the quality of their QB since Denver just won the super bowl with a shitty,shitty peyton manning at the helm.

Dave Lane 08-27-2016 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12389984)
The secondary is fill with inexperienced 1st and 2nd year players and you don't care?

WTF?

Did you not notice who you were responding too?

redshirt32 08-27-2016 04:58 PM

They will send DAT to SF for a 6

O.city 08-27-2016 05:00 PM

Kinda wonder if they're worried gaines isn't healthy or something

Easy 6 08-27-2016 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12390234)
Kinda wonder if they're worried gaines isn't healthy or something

I'd bet it has more to do with our rookies and second year guys, Gaines looked good today

redshirt32 08-27-2016 05:04 PM

The rookies will just have to learn on the fly, OJT

tmax63 08-27-2016 05:05 PM

The main thing I saw today was the bottom of the roster DB's suck. If this moves one of them out then this is a good thing.

DaneMcCloud 08-27-2016 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12390234)
Kinda wonder if they're worried gaines isn't healthy or something

Nickel, not Gaines

O.city 08-27-2016 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 12390238)
I'd bet it has more to do with our rookies and second year guys, Gaines looked good today

He played like 8 snaps though

TigeRRUppeRRcut 08-27-2016 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12390007)
One word for you: Chip Kelly

Amen.

okcchief 08-27-2016 05:39 PM

The secondary depth is concerning. For a 7th round pick why the **** not?

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DaneMcCloud 08-27-2016 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12390276)
He played like 8 snaps though

They're definitely taking it easy with him but IMO, that's a good thing.

I still can't understand why there are people expecting Jamaal Charles to be the 2012 Jamaal Charles in Week 1.

I'm personally more concerned with the return of Charcandrick West. Ware is a very good running back but the combination of the two works much better. Plus, West is faster, a little better in the passing game and has some wiggle.

He was also the Chiefs leading rusher last year.

Easy 6 08-27-2016 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12390276)
He played like 8 snaps though

He might not have 100% confidence in his knee yet and they're just babying him along... I would be shocked if he didnt start week 1

DaneMcCloud 08-27-2016 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 12390330)
He might not have 100% confidence in his knee yet and they're just babying him along... I would be shocked if he didnt start week 1

They're not "babying" him, they're just not rushing him back.

12 months is really the time is takes for an ACL repair/replacement to completely heal and most guys can't return to form for 2 years.

Caution is a good thing, especially for a guy that plays a premium position that's difficult to fill.

Red Dawg 08-27-2016 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12390324)
They're definitely taking it easy with him but IMO, that's a good thing.

I still can't understand why there are people expecting Jamaal Charles to be the 2012 Jamaal Charles in Week 1.

I'm personally more concerned with the return of Charcandrick West. Ware is a very good running back but the combination of the two works much better. Plus, West is faster, a little better in the passing game and has some wiggle.

He was also the Chiefs leading rusher last year.

I hope they don't take it easy with JC. Run him to death while he's here for probably his last year. He's got his money so use the hell out of him.

DaneMcCloud 08-27-2016 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 12390336)
I hope they don't take it easy with JC. Run him to death while he's here for probably his last year. He's got his money so use the hell out of him.

That's pretty silly, Dude. Teams shouldn't rush players back before they're ready and there's no guarantee that he'll ever return to form because he's 29 years old.

He needs to be a piece of the puzzle, not the puzzle itself.

Meatloaf 08-27-2016 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12390355)
That's pretty silly, Dude. Teams shouldn't rush players back before they're ready and there's no guarantee that he'll ever return to form because he's 29 years old.

He needs to be a piece of the puzzle, not the puzzle itself.

That was damn near quotable, Dane!

Easy 6 08-27-2016 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12390334)
They're not "babying" him, they're just not rushing him back.

12 months is really the time is takes for an ACL repair/replacement to completely heal and most guys can't return to form for 2 years.

Caution is a good thing, especially for a guy that plays a premium position that's difficult to fill.

Taking it easy on him, babying him along, it all means the same to me

I agree, he is too valuable to hurry... let him get back up to speed at his own pace

BossChief 08-27-2016 06:53 PM

Gonna be interesting to see how they form this roster.

Peters
Gaines
Keivarre Russel
DJ White
Nelson
Acker

Berry
Parker
Sorenson
Murray

does Cooper make the final 53, too?

Chiefshrink 08-27-2016 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 12390513)
Gonna be interesting to see how they form this roster.

Peters
Gaines
Keivarre Russel
DJ White
Nelson
Acker

Berry
Parker
Sorenson
Murray

does Cooper make the final 53, too?

Russell hasn't lived up to the billing and White started out hot but has gotten progressively worse the last 2 games. I will give him the benefit of the doubt and say it's growing pains.

BossChief 08-27-2016 07:08 PM

I think Russel hurt himself by not getting his contract sorted out sooner. He's probably behind the 8ball in learning his responsibilities.

Titty Meat 08-27-2016 07:17 PM

You could put a CP poster at the #2 CB and be ok if Houston comes back and the dline plays like they did today.

DaneMcCloud 08-27-2016 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 12390550)
I think Russel hurt himself by not getting his contract sorted out sooner. He's probably behind the 8ball in learning his responsibilities.

If Russell had been a 6th rounder instead of White, he'd be waived and placed on the PS.

O.city 08-27-2016 07:34 PM

White has been pretty good save for 1 or 2 plays

DaneMcCloud 08-27-2016 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12390598)
White has been pretty good save for 1 or 2 plays

At this point, they could probably waive Russell to get to the 53 and he'd make it through waivers.

I don't know why any team would claim him after the first three games other than the Chiefs.

Buckweath 08-27-2016 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12390601)
At this point, they could probably waive Russell to get to the 53 and he'd make it through waivers.

I don't know why any team would claim him after the first three games other than the Chiefs.

Lol what do you actually expect out of a rookie drafted in the 3rd round after 3 preseason games?

Russell hasn't been any worse than Nelson and Conley last year after 3 preseason games.

This is crazy overreacting.

RunKC 08-27-2016 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12390601)
At this point, they could probably waive Russell to get to the 53 and he'd make it through waivers.

I don't know why any team would claim him after the first three games other than the Chiefs.

KeiVarae Russell? Wtf? They aren't cutting a 3rd rd pick after his first preseason.

DaneMcCloud 08-27-2016 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buckweath (Post 12390615)
Lol what do you actually expect out of a rookie drafted in the 3rd round after 3 preseason games?

Russell hasn't been any worse than Nelson and Conley last year after 3 preseason games.

This is crazy overreacting.

Shut the **** up


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