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O.city 08-01-2016 09:04 AM

Dee Ford breakdown
 
Pretty good 3rd party breakdown on Dee Ford.

http://insidethepylon.com/film-study...ord-step-step/

staylor26 08-01-2016 09:11 AM

Good shit.

DaKCMan AP 08-01-2016 09:12 AM

Thread title made me think he 'broke'
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Simply Red 08-01-2016 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12345505)
Good shit.

Do you have a good instinctual feeling about Dee's improvement (even more so) this season?

staylor26 08-01-2016 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 12345509)
Do you have a good instinctual feeling about Dee's improvement (even more so) this season?

Absolutely. The guy has just 6 starts under his belt, and clearly got bigger this offseason. He will definitely get better.

Pasta Little Brioni 08-01-2016 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 12345509)
Do you have a good instinctual feeling about Dee's improvement (even more so) this season?

I have a pup tent just thinking about it

Simply Red 08-01-2016 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12345516)
Absolutely. The guy has just 6 starts under his belt, and clearly got bigger this offseason. He will definitely get better.

Good! I hope so.:clap:

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball (Post 12345519)
I have a pup tent just thinking about it


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Pasta Little Brioni 08-01-2016 09:30 AM

Double digit (inches and sacks)

Perineum Ripper 08-01-2016 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball (Post 12345533)
Double digit (inches and sacks)

That would be Jones..there is video of him to prove the inches

RunKC 08-01-2016 10:39 AM

Pretty much what we said earlier. The speed to power issue cost him the sack on Brady in the playoff game.

He had a handful of "close but no cigar" rushes where we barely missed the sack and those are what he needs to finish this year.

O.city 08-01-2016 10:44 AM

Really puts into perspective how good houston is physically with what he can do around the corner.

That lean is pretty awesome to see. I'll always remember DT being parallel to the ground coming around the corner

vailpass 08-01-2016 10:48 AM

Who?

Pasta Little Brioni 08-01-2016 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 12345647)
Who?

The guy that will help sweep you

OctoberFart 08-01-2016 10:59 AM

Reach and not very good. Speed move is all he has.

Pasta Little Brioni 08-01-2016 11:01 AM

More talented Bruce Irvin

OctoberFart 08-01-2016 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball (Post 12345662)
More talented Bruce Irvin

You wish he was even as good as Irvin. Irvin isn't very good either but he isn't afraid of contact either.

staylor26 08-01-2016 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 12345647)
Who?

The guy that was giving your new LT fits.

BleedingRed 08-01-2016 11:12 AM

Him and Houston could be a very scary duo rushing if he gets it together

vailpass 08-01-2016 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball (Post 12345658)
The guy that will help sweep you

:D dammit I'm ready for football!!

threebag 08-01-2016 11:59 AM

Someone needs to flush Autumnwind

Coochie liquor 08-01-2016 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 12345506)
Thread title made me think he 'broke'
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Isn't that what most Fords his age do?

Mr. Laz 08-01-2016 12:47 PM

When Dee ford can 'play basketball' and just juke his way to the QB he's pretty good.

His football I.Q. is still questionable

He should be replacing Hali, not Houston

jspchief 08-01-2016 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 12345509)
Do you have a good instinctual feeling about Dee's improvement (even more so) this season?

Staylor thinks every player on the team is a future hall of famer, so I'm sure his analysis will be objective.

Mr. Laz 08-01-2016 12:59 PM

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Tuesday was a tough day for Chiefs fans, as news broke that Kansas City star outside linebacker Justin Houston will miss training camp and possibly the beginning of the 2016 season while recovering from an ACL injury (not a tear) that cut short his 2015 campaign last fall.
People want to tell me again how delaying Houston's surgery last year was no big deal?

staylor26 08-01-2016 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 12345874)
Staylor thinks every player on the team is a future hall of famer, so I'm sure his analysis will be objective.

Name one player outside of CAT (who I said could be a good situational pass rusher then some people blew it out of proportion) that I've hyped up that hasn't panned out?

Kelce, Peters, Howard, Gaines, Jones, Murray, Fisher, Nelson, Parker, Morse, March.

Those are the unknowns that I've hyped up to some level or another over the past few years. Some haven't gotten their opportunity, some have had injuries, and some were spot on. I'm right more often than not though.

The problem is, any time I have anything remotely positive to say about a guy that isn't proven, I'm immediately labeled a homer that thinks he's going to be a Pro Bowler/HOF when I never said such a thing.

Take Nelson for example, all offseason I said he could take the nickel spot and be a solid player there, but since he didn't do shit his entire rookie year I was labeled a homer. Here we are now and Nelson currently has the nickel spot and has been impressing ever since OTA's.

What some of you don't realize is that I actually watch these guys a ton going into the draft, and after, so I am not just pulling my takes on them out of my ass. I'm just not scared to evaluate players before I see them in the NFL.

pugsnotdrugs19 08-01-2016 01:05 PM

Missing Houston for any stretch sucks but damn, Hali and Ford is a really nice combo to still have and I think we forget that easily.

There was a time where Andy Studebaker was one of the two best OLBs in our defense.

NJChiefsFan 08-01-2016 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12345905)
Name one player outside of CAT (who I said could be a good situational pass rusher then some people blew it out of proportion) that I've hyped up that hasn't panned out?

Kelce, Peters, Howard, Gaines, Jones, Murray, Fisher, Nelson, Parker, Morse, March.

Those are the unknowns that I've hyped up to some level or another over the past few years. Some haven't gotten their opportunity, some have had injuries, and some were spot on. I'm right more often than not though.

The problem is, any time I have anything remotely positive to say about a guy that isn't proven, I'm immediately labeled a homer that thinks he's going to be a Pro Bowler/HOF when I never said such a thing.

Take Nelson for example, all offseason I said he could take the nickel spot and be a solid player there, but since he didn't do shit his entire rookie year I was labeled a homer. Here we are now and Nelson currently has the nickel spot and has been impressing ever since OTA's.

What some of you don't realize is that I actually watch these guys a ton going into the draft, and after, so I am not just pulling my takes on them out of my ass. I'm just not scared to evaluate players before I see them in the NFL.

Dude, COME ON!!! I agree with a lot of your takes, and it's not a knock on your intelligence, but you absolutely 100% are a homer. Now I know that term is usually meant to be an insult, but in this case it isn't meant to be that harsh. It's just pointing out that you see basically everything for KC to be rosy. The refs hate us, or there are 10 excuses for why somebody hasn't panned out.

Every guy is going to reach his potential in your mind and everything is going to go wrong for our rivals. You were ripping SD for taking Bosa saying he wouldn't fit in their scheme. You know that even if he didn't fit in KC's scheme, you absolutely would be singing KC's praises for taking him.

This is what annoys me reading your posts. If you just admitted who you are, it would be so much easier to see the intelligence in your evaluations and not just be sitting here in astonishment that you don't hear yourself. You are a good guy for this board, but just acknowledge what is happening here. Although perhaps you could pat yourself on the back a little less when you are right. If you go find 40 random posts of yours, how many aren't predicting best case scenarios or are pointing out that you were right about something. Hell, the post I just quoted has both of those things.

staylor26 08-01-2016 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 12346196)
Dude, COME ON!!! I agree with a lot of your takes, and it's not a knock on your intelligence, but you absolutely 100% are a homer. Now I know that term is usually meant to be an insult, but in this case it isn't meant to be that harsh. It's just pointing out that you see basically everything for KC to be rosy. The refs hate us, or there are 10 excuses for why somebody hasn't panned out.

Every guy is going to reach his potential in your mind and everything is going to go wrong for our rivals. You were ripping SD for taking Bosa saying he wouldn't fit in their scheme. You know that even if he didn't fit in KC's scheme, you absolutely would be singing KC's praises for taking him.

This is what annoys me reading your posts. If you just admitted who you are, it would be so much easier to see the intelligence in your evaluations and not just be sitting here in astonishment that you don't hear yourself. You are a good guy for this board, but just acknowledge what is happening here. Although perhaps you could pat yourself on the back a little less when you are right. If you go find 40 random posts of yours, how many aren't predicting best case scenarios or are pointing out that you were right about something. Hell, the post I just quoted has both of those things, per usual.

Shut the **** up.

I don't overrate the Chiefs or any of our players. I use the world "could" instead of "will" when talking about unproven players. I just choose to look at the optimistic side, because there's a lot to be positive about with this regime. If this were the Pioli era, I wouldn't be so optimistic, and I wasn't then.

NJChiefsFan 08-01-2016 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12346223)
Shut the **** up.

I don't overrate the Chiefs or any of our players. I use the world "could" instead of "will" when talking about unproven players. I just choose to look at the optimistic side, because there's a lot to be positive about with this regime. If this were the Pioli era, I wouldn't be so optimistic, and I wasn't then.

Maybe so. I will admit I didn't notice it as much then. I guess some of it is you are just trying to get in on the ground floor so you can claim that you were right about them. A specific example I remember is you saying that one of the reasons the Chiefs struggled to start last year was not having Sean Smith, which I agreed with. Now without him, you still don't feel there is a difference with Gaines coming back, the very man that was there to start the season. As for that point, I like Gaines future, but short-term I think KC will struggle to replace SS. But you can't have it both ways.

Red Dawg 08-01-2016 08:36 PM

Dee Ford is going wreck all that stand in his way! The man will play like he's a demon!

staylor26 08-01-2016 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 12346763)
Maybe so. I will admit I didn't notice it as much then. I guess some of it is you are just trying to get in on the ground floor so you can claim that you were right about them. A specific example I remember is you saying that one of the reasons the Chiefs struggled to start last year was not having Sean Smith, which I agreed with. Now without him, you still don't feel there is a difference with Gaines coming back, the very man that was there to start the season. As for that point, I like Gaines future, but short-term I think KC will struggle to replace SS. But you can't have it both ways.

Flemming vs. Gaines/Nelson

If we were starting Flemming, I would agree. I was more concerned with Smith's suspension at this time last year than I am losing Smith for good this year for that very reason.

I like Nelson and Gaines. Shit, Russelll too. Flemming might turn out to be a decent safety, but he was a scary sight at corner.

For the record, I've said that I don't necessarily expect the defense to be great early on. However, I believe the offense will hit the ground running and pick up the slack early on.

Hammock Parties 08-01-2016 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12346223)
I don't overrate the Chiefs or any of our players.

I've never seen you say a bad thing about any Chief.

It's OK to be a homer, you should just embrace it.

NJChiefsFan 08-01-2016 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12346773)
Flemming vs. Gaines

If we were starting Flemming, I would agree. I was more concerned with Smith's suspension at this time last year for the same reason.

I like Nelson and Gaines. Shit, Russelll too. Flemming might turn out to be a decent safety, but he was a scary sight at corner.

I wish Gaines had not lost all those games of experience last year. I like our potential of getting at least one solid CB from Gaines and Russell. If we get 2, or even three out of that group, great. I just worry about them being ready right away. The Jets game week 3 will be a good test.

DaneMcCloud 08-01-2016 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Smellway (Post 12346778)
I've never seen you say a bad thing about any Chief.

It's OK to be a homer, you should just embrace it.

And you pimped Brodie Croyle

jspchief 08-01-2016 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Smellway (Post 12346778)
I've never seen you say a bad thing about any Chief.

It's OK to be a homer, you should just embrace it.

One thing to be a homer. Something else to be a homer that is a raging asshole to anyone that doesnt share your opinion.

staylor26 08-01-2016 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Smellway (Post 12346778)
I've never seen you say a bad thing about any Chief.

It's OK to be a homer, you should just embrace it.

Are you kidding me?

Stephenson, Mauga, Dunta, Flemming, Lewis, McGlynn, Grubbs, Avery, Bowe (towards the end), Wilson (at times last year, but I'm giving him one more chance), James Michael Johnson, Cooper just to name some recent ones.

I just don't jump to conclusions of young guys that have flashed/have untapped potential, because I'm not an idiot and I have patience and understand the process.

Hammock Parties 08-01-2016 08:51 PM

enjoy the spirited debate friend

out of curiosity, how old are you and what regions of the world have you lived in?

ThaVirus 08-01-2016 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 12346196)
Every guy is going to reach his potential in your mind and everything is going to go wrong for our rivals.

This is pretty accurate

jspchief 08-01-2016 10:33 PM

Spent all offseason insulting anyone who suggested Houston wouldnt be healthy in week one.

staylor26 08-01-2016 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 12346917)
Spent all offseason insulting anyone who suggested Houston wouldnt be healthy in week one.

No, I spent all offseason telling people it was ridiculous to think most/all of his season was in jeapordy. I said from the beginning he would return after the bye week at worst. I never guaranteed a week 1 return.

Do you ****ing morons get anything right?

Lzen 08-02-2016 08:25 AM

That was pretty good. It really shows how Ford needs to improve on his technique a bit and why his bend limits him some. Didn't I read on here that Ford had a pretty high rate of pressures in his starts last year? That would probably explain why he got all those pressures but not enough sacks. It's obvious that he came out of college gifted with a lot of speed off the edge but obviously needed a lot of work on technique. And he is showing improvement, which is a very good thing. While I don't know that he will ever become a great player, I'm optimistic that he will be a decent player at that position. It would also have been nice to see them breakdown his run defense to see if there has been much improvement there.

O.city 08-02-2016 08:28 AM

Those 2 or 3 stutter steps he has to use to keep his balance to round the corner instead of leaning into the tackle and cutting the corner are the difference in a pressure and a sack.

It's always the small things but it seems that's what he needs to improve the most on. I'm really not sure how you improve on that though. Upper body strength? Flexibility?

RippedmyFlesh 08-02-2016 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12346788)
And you pimped Brodie Croyle

I was excited when we drafted him. I wanted to believe.

OctoberFart 08-02-2016 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 12347180)
That was pretty good. It really shows how Ford needs to improve on his technique a bit and why his bend limits him some. Didn't I read on here that Ford had a pretty high rate of pressures in his starts last year? That would probably explain why he got all those pressures but not enough sacks. It's obvious that he came out of college gifted with a lot of speed off the edge but obviously needed a lot of work on technique. And he is showing improvement, which is a very good thing. While I don't know that he will ever become a great player, I'm optimistic that he will be a decent player at that position. It would also have been nice to see them breakdown his run defense to see if there has been much improvement there.

He had a lot of pressures if you select the stats correctly.

Pasta Little Brioni 08-02-2016 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12346788)
And you pimped Brodie Croyle

Skin that smoke wagon! Don't forget he was all over Cassels nuts and even shopped him on the front of a cereal box.

PunkinDrublic 08-02-2016 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by OctoberFart (Post 12347360)
He had a lot of pressures if you select the stats correctly.

What's going to happen first, the move to Las Vegas or the Faid finishing above .500?

beach tribe 08-02-2016 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12345905)
Name one player outside of CAT (who I said could be a good situational pass rusher then some people blew it out of proportion) that I've hyped up that hasn't panned out?

Kelce, Peters, Howard, Gaines, Jones, Murray, Fisher, Nelson, Parker, Morse, March.

Those are the unknowns that I've hyped up to some level or another over the past few years. Some haven't gotten their opportunity, some have had injuries, and some were spot on. I'm right more often than not though.

The problem is, any time I have anything remotely positive to say about a guy that isn't proven, I'm immediately labeled a homer that thinks he's going to be a Pro Bowler/HOF when I never said such a thing.

Take Nelson for example, all offseason I said he could take the nickel spot and be a solid player there, but since he didn't do shit his entire rookie year I was labeled a homer. Here we are now and Nelson currently has the nickel spot and has been impressing ever since OTA's.

What some of you don't realize is that I actually watch these guys a ton going into the draft, and after, so I am not just pulling my takes on them out of my ass. I'm just not scared to evaluate players before I see them in the NFL.

I hate to kick a guy for being optimistic, but you are the Chiefs fan version of knowmo.
Like I said, I'm not tryin to pick at you.
Your lenses are as Rosie as they come, though.

Mr. Laz 08-02-2016 11:26 AM

Murray ends up starting in the corner slot. imo

I just hope they are working on his flexibility and opening/turning his hips.

Pasta Little Brioni 08-02-2016 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 12347536)
I hate to kick a guy for being optimistic, but you are the Chiefs fan version of knowmo.
Like I said, I'm not tryin to pick at you.
Your lenses are as Rosie as they come, though.

He is much more intelligent than that turd. Slowmo can barely type a coherent sentence and is only allowed here because of some video game thread he "contributes" to apparently.

Mr. Laz 08-02-2016 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 12347536)
I hate to kick a guy for being optimistic, but you are the Chiefs fan version of knowmo.
Like I said, I'm not tryin to pick at you.
Your lenses are as Rosie as they come, though.

He's trying to bring some Arrowhead Pride positive attitude to CPlanet. At first it annoyed me but then i realized that CP can certainly use some AP type posters.

Good luck to him, i doubt it sticks though.

Beef Supreme 08-02-2016 11:42 AM

Staylor is optimistic about our young talent. Nothing wrong with that at all. I know we are all jaded old ****s around here after decades of disappointment, but if we can't be optimistic about our young talent this time of year, then what do we have?

And Staylor actually does watch a lot of these guys at the college level. It isn't just blind homerism. It's some homerism, sure, but not blind homerism. And **** the spell check on this site for making me retype homerism four ****ing times.

staylor26 08-02-2016 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 12347536)
I hate to kick a guy for being optimistic, but you are the Chiefs fan version of knowmo.
Like I said, I'm not tryin to pick at you.
Your lenses are as Rosie as they come, though.

JFC KnowMo?

That is absurd.

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Originally Posted by BigChiefTablet (Post 12347565)
Staylor is optimistic about our young talent. Nothing wrong with that at all. I know we are all jaded old ****s around here after decades of disappointment, but if we can't be optimistic about our young talent this time of year, then what do we have?

And Staylor actually does watch a lot of these guys at the college level. It isn't just blind homerism. It's some homerism, sure, but not blind homerism. And **** the spell check on this site for making me retype homerism four ****ing times.

This take is spot on.

Aspengc8 08-02-2016 01:30 PM

Dude added 10-15 lbs lean during the off-season.. which is not easy. Hopefully it shows. For every good play he made last year, there were too many bad.


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