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oaklandhater 04-27-2016 02:21 PM

The Sam Bradford Fiasco in Philadelphia
 
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/04/27/t...gles-nfl-draft

The Sam Bradford Fiasco in Philadelphia
The Eagles moved up in the draft to presumably take a quarterback, leading Bradford to request a trade. It’s a bold move for a QB whose on-field numbers leave much to be desired. Plus, answering your mailbag questions about Tom Brady, Josh Norman and more

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One point is lost in this Sam Bradford fiasco in Philadelphia: Nothing ever, ever, ever is guaranteed in football. To prove that, let’s go back in time to the 2006 draft, 10 years ago this week. The Arizona Cardinals, picking 10th overall with an aging Kurt Warner on their roster, chose USC’s Matt Leinart as their long-term quarterback of the future.
“A gift from heaven,’’ coach Dennis Green called Leinart.
Then football happened. Leinart wasn’t as good as everyone thought, and there was a coaching change after his rookie year, and Leinart didn’t like new coach Ken Whisenhunt. Warner rallied, determined to keep the starting job. By the third year of the Leinart experiment, the job was Warner’s full-time, and he led them to a Super Bowl.

Photo: Julio Cortez/AP
If Bradford, a former first overall pick, is better than Carson Wentz (the Eagles’ presumed pick at No. 2 this year), he’s going to be the starting quarterback in Philadelphia as long as he outplays the kid. Or Bradford’s going to play well enough this year to prove to the rest of the league that he deserves a shot to be some team’s long-term guy. Bradford has done no such thing yet. He’s been very good since entering the league in 2010 at making money—and not nearly as good at playing football. That is not a knock on Bradford. It is simply a fact. He’s had three injuries that have kept him out of extensive action, and it is not possible yet to judge how good he is, or whether a team should mortgage its salary cap on him.
On Monday night, Bradford’s agent, Tom Condon, explained Bradford’s thinking on Sirius XM NFL Radio: “Sam wants to play somewhere where he’s going to stay for a long time if he plays well. He wants to be the guy. He does not view himself as a stopgap quarterback.”
Every quarterback wants to be “the guy.” But Bradford simply hasn’t proven beyond a doubt that he deserves to be that guy. That’s why the Eagles gave him a two-year contract and not a five-year deal. The following numbers underscore the problem with Bradford and Condon talking as if he’s a well-established starting quarterback. In career quarterback rating, here are the 54th, 56th and 58th ranked players in NFL history:

What I would say to Bradford:
1. You have earned the right to be ticked off that the Eagles are going to draft a quarterback intended to beat you out.
2. You have not earned the right to go on strike over it.
3. You have been paid massively and so far have not produced to justify what the Rams and Eagles have paid you.
4. You control your fate. Be the best quarterback in camp, and you’ll play. Compete.

milkman 04-27-2016 02:28 PM

The weekly oaklandhater attention whoring.

oaklandhater 04-27-2016 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 12197838)
The weekly oaklandhater attention whoring.

I haven't been on here forever at home sick so I just posted some crap on the net to talk football

milkman 04-27-2016 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oaklandhater (Post 12197845)
I haven't been on here forever at home sick so I just posted some crap on the net to talk football

So, you get sick weekly?

oaklandhater 04-27-2016 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 12197860)
So, you get sick weekly?

waiting for death lol more then likely gonna have to get my gallbladder taken out in may

Toby Waller 04-27-2016 02:43 PM

this is unimportant. Nothing about Bradford matters in any teams post season.

he is a journeyman QB.

oaklandhater 04-27-2016 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Toby Waller (Post 12197866)
this is unimportant. Nothing about Bradford matters in any teams post season.

he is a journeyman QB.

He act's like he is a top 5 QB in the nfl.

Eleazar 04-27-2016 02:43 PM

Bradford seems to be under the impression he's starting QB material. How strange.

oaklandhater 04-27-2016 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 12197868)
Bradford seems to be under the impression he's starting QB material. How strange.

This dude think's he's a super star.

Toby Waller 04-27-2016 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 12197868)
Bradford seems to be under the impression he's starting QB material. How strange.

he has actually-started games- so yes

Eleazar 04-27-2016 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by oaklandhater (Post 12197869)
This dude think's he's a super star.

It's really not a fiasco. The Eagles are prudently moving on, having seen that Bradford is mediocre at best. If he wants to get on board and compete, great. If he wants to go QB the Browns then I'm sure he can mouth off until he does.

BossChief 04-27-2016 02:55 PM

I'd rather have Ryan Fitzpatrick than Sam Bradford.

Who would trade for that guy and his stupid contract?

Philly has themselves in a bind here. If they trade Sam, they just accelerate that 11m signing bonus to their cap. Even for a 2nd round pick, that's a questionable use of resource...and nobody is gonna trade a 2 AND pay him that deal.

The most logical direction for them should have been to start Daniel while Wentz gets ready to go and to never have signed Bradford.

If they get a 2nd round pick for that 11m...at least that's something.

Toby Waller 04-27-2016 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 12197894)
I'd rather have Ryan Fitzpatrick than Sam Bradford.

Who would trade for that guy and his stupid contract?

Philly has themselves in a bind here. If they trade Sam, they just accelerate that 11m signing bonus to their cap. Even for a 2nd round pick, that's a questionable use of resource...and nobody is gonna trade a 2 AND pay him that deal.

The most logical direction for them should have been to start Daniel while Wentz gets ready to go and to never have signed Bradford.

If they get a 2nd round pick for that 11m...at least that's something.

why have either? is not the ultimate goal the SB?

Neither one is getting near one unless they fall into a bizarre Trent Dilfer situation. Its not happening.

BossChief 04-27-2016 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Toby Waller (Post 12197909)
why have either? is not the ultimate goal the SB?

Neither one is getting near one unless they fall into a bizarre Trent Dilfer situation. Its not happening.

Because you have a fan base that gives you millions of dollars, so you have an obligation to try to put the best man for the job out there.

Toby Waller 04-27-2016 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 12197920)
Because you have a fan base that gives you millions of dollars, so you have an obligation to try to put the best man for the job out there.

my point is; talking about those 2 as an option is pointless.
Neither is reaching the ultimate goal.

BigBeauford 04-27-2016 03:09 PM

All of this is moot. They have Chase Daniels who will lead them to the promised land.

milkman 04-27-2016 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 12197920)
Because you have a fan base that gives you millions of dollars, so you have an obligation to try to put the best man for the job out there.

No it isn't.

Your obligation (should be) as a franchise to build a team that can compete long term.

The best man for that job this year isn't a medicre QB that might make a 2 game difference at best.

It's the guy that can hold down the position while mentoring the investment on the bench.

Red Dawg 04-27-2016 03:12 PM

Bradford is a bust that has been way overly paid. His contract was only for two years even though they gave him a lot.

What makes him think any team wants to make him the man? His stats are shit and his teams have never won more that 7 games. Being way over paid has made him think he's good.

BossChief 04-27-2016 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 12197934)
No it isn't.

Your obligation (should be) as a franchise to build a team that can compete long term.

The best man for that job this year isn't a medicre QB that might make a 2 game difference at best.

It's the guy that can hold down the position while mentoring the investment on the bench.

It depends on what team were talking about.

Denver or NY should be trying to get the best QB on the field they can.

Mile High Mania 04-27-2016 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 12197974)
It depends on what team were talking about.

Denver or NY should be trying to get the best QB on the field they can.

No reason for Denver to make a move for him.

oaklandhater 04-27-2016 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 12197994)
No reason for Denver to make a move for him.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...n-sam-bradford

Mile High Mania 04-27-2016 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by oaklandhater (Post 12198001)

Yeah, read that... I'm not surprised they'd 'reach out', you almost have to inquire. They have a more cap friendly guy with more accomplishments in Sanchez, adding Bradford wouldn't make any sense.

King_Chief_Fan 04-27-2016 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 12197994)
No reason for Denver to make a move for him.

Yes...please stay content to have Sanchez. ..he is a winnerROFL....but probably equal to Bradford

Toby Waller 04-27-2016 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan (Post 12198030)
Yes...please stay content to have Sanchez. ..he is a winnerROFL....but probably equal to Bradford

No,Bradford has actually thrown the ball forward

listopencil 04-27-2016 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 12197934)
No it isn't.

Your obligation (should be) as a franchise to build a team that can compete long term.

The best man for that job this year isn't a medicre QB that might make a 2 game difference at best.

It's the guy that can hold down the position while mentoring the investment on the bench.

It looks like that is the situation that Bradford is in right now and he's balking at it. If some team trades for him then he's going to get pissy if he's expected to hold the fort while the QBOTF is brought along.

Mile High Mania 04-27-2016 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan (Post 12198030)
Yes...please stay content to have Sanchez. ..he is a winnerROFL....but probably equal to Bradford

Oh... I'm not 'content' with the QB situation. Sanchez sucks and I doubt he'll be the starter for more than 4 games, barring injury. I still kinda think something happens in a trade with SF, but who knows. It's not like that option is too much better than anything else, but I'd roll with Kaep over Sanchez or Bradford.

I just don't see there being a need to have Bradford for that price if you already have Sanchez. Hell, roll with the unknown backup or whatever you draft - no need to take that cap hit with Bradford.

Sweet Daddy Hate 04-27-2016 05:10 PM

I remember when some at CP wanted to draft the Llama.

lol

Toby Waller 04-27-2016 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Dagnabit (Post 12198134)
I remember when some at CP wanted to draft the Llama.

lol

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Scorp 04-27-2016 06:15 PM

Philly fan reacts....
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Bob Dole 04-27-2016 08:35 PM

Bradford is a walking, talking ace bandage.

Always will be.

Psyko Tek 04-27-2016 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Toby Waller (Post 12197929)
my point is; talking about those 2 as an option is pointless.
Neither is reaching the ultimate goal.

your goal is not the NFL goal
the Shield tm needs the rams to have a BIG NEW QB to excite LA
sell seats in the NEW LA STADIUM

I believe it was said in north dallas fourty( and yeah I know I am wrong) it's not a game it's a business

Toby Waller 04-27-2016 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Psyko Tek (Post 12198755)
your goal is not the NFL goal
the Shield tm needs the rams to have a BIG NEW QB to excite LA
sell seats in the NEW LA STADIUM

I believe it was said in north dallas fourty( and yeah I know I am wrong) it's not a game it's a business

What are disagreeing on? This isn't about Rams. It's about Fitz and Bradford.
I already know the Rams will be in a SB within 5 years no matter who the QB is...and I doubt either of the 2 draft picks will be under center when it happens

Discuss Thrower 04-28-2016 06:50 PM

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