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Bowser 01-09-2016 11:11 AM

Going to need Reaper16/NewChief to confirm...
 
Is this list accurate, or is this person a hack?

http://imgur.com/gallery/A7VrG


Flood my brain with knowledge

NewChief 01-09-2016 11:47 AM

I've heard of all off those except Virtuosic.

I've also never seen Djent called Djent/Progressive.

GloucesterChief 01-09-2016 11:57 AM

Industrial had dark themes long before the 2000s. NIN is the premier industrial band and Trent's music has always tended towards the dark.

Third Eye 01-09-2016 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by GloucesterChief (Post 12008805)
Industrial had dark themes long before the 2000s. NIN is the premier industrial band and Trent's music has always tended towards the dark.

I think most industrial fans laugh when people call NIN industrial, but regardless, your point stands about the genre having embraced dark themes since its inception.

EDIT: Fir the record, I love NIN, but they've always been Industrial Lite.

Frosty 01-09-2016 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by GloucesterChief (Post 12008805)
Industrial had dark themes long before the 2000s.

Because Skinny Puppy was so cheery. :shake:

QuikSsurfer 01-09-2016 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by GloucesterChief (Post 12008805)
Industrial had dark themes long before the 2000s. NIN is the premier industrial band and Trent's music has always tended towards the dark.

Skinny Puppy?
Pigface?

Bowser 01-09-2016 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by NewChief (Post 12008786)
I've heard of all off those except Virtuosic.

I've also never seen Djent called Djent/Progressive.

What's your take on some of the bands listed? Favorites?

Sadly, I'm more of a mainstream music fan than I would like to admit. About as far out as I get so far has been bands like Within Temptation and Otep, and even then I don't have catalogues memorized or anything...

GloucesterChief 01-09-2016 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by QuikSsurfer (Post 12009251)
Skinny Puppy?
Pigface?

I was pointing out that Industrial has always had dark themes. It wasn't something that just came up in the 2000s.

GloucesterChief 01-09-2016 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 12009328)
What's your take on some of the bands listed? Favorites?

Sadly, I'm more of a mainstream music fan than I would like to admit. About as far out as I get so far has been bands like Within Temptation and Otep, and even then I don't have catalogues memorized or anything...

They are missing some real heavyweights in the categories particularly Power Metal. Missing Sabaton, Blind Guardian, Gamma Ray, Helloween, and Iron Savior for Power Metal.

I would probably throw Ghost into the symphonic metal category but they usually span several categories.

Swanman 01-11-2016 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by GloucesterChief (Post 12009368)
I was pointing out that Industrial has always had dark themes. It wasn't something that just came up in the 2000s.

Fear Factory and Ministry were doing it long before the 90s. Rammstein borrows heavily from Industrial.

Swanman 01-11-2016 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by GloucesterChief (Post 12009398)
They are missing some real heavyweights in the categories particularly Power Metal. Missing Sabaton, Blind Guardian, Gamma Ray, Helloween, and Iron Savior for Power Metal.

I would probably throw Ghost into the symphonic metal category but they usually span several categories.

Sabaton is in its own subgenre I like to call War Metal. They are like the Gordon Lightfoot of metal singing about WWII.

When I think symphonic metal, I think of the female-led bands like Nightwish, Epica, Delain, etc. Ghost does reach some very high notes though. I will be seeing them in May at Rock on the Range.

Swanman 01-11-2016 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by NewChief (Post 12008786)
I've heard of all off those except Virtuosic.

I've also never seen Djent called Djent/Progressive.

Bands like Meshuggah don't seem necessarily progressive. However, a band like Periphery does sound more progressive to me.

Swanman 01-11-2016 11:52 PM

My favorite on there is probably MeloDeath at this point. In Flames has to be in there. Children of Bodom doesn't seem to fit that well because they don't really use clean vocals much, although they are very good. I really like Scar Symmetry. Their vocalist is in a band called Solution .45 that I like a lot right now. I didn't go through the list in total but seemed to be missing Soilwork, another great melodeath band out of Sweden.

GloucesterChief 01-11-2016 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Swanman (Post 12020638)
Sabaton is in its own subgenre I like to call War Metal. They are like the Gordon Lightfoot of metal singing about WWII.

Maiden has been singing about war since Run for the Hills. They are a power metal band that just replaces the fantastical with the historical. Just like Iron Savior and Gamma Ray lean toward the Sci-Fi.

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When I think symphonic metal, I think of the female-led bands like Nightwish, Epica, Delain, etc. Ghost does reach some very high notes though. I will be seeing them in May at Rock on the Range.
It is more their arrangements. Like I said, it is hard to pin down their style since they change it up quite a bit.

Third Eye 01-12-2016 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Swanman (Post 12020632)
Fear Factory and Ministry were doing it long before the 90s. Rammstein borrows heavily from Industrial.

Fear Factory didn't exist before the '90s and the certainly weren't remotely industrial. Ministry borrowed from industrial and were proginators of the industrial metal scene, but again, not really industrial. Throbbing Gristle was industrial. Caberet Voltaire was industrial. Einsturzende Neubauten were industrial. All great bands, though hard to listen to at times.

Swanman 01-12-2016 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by GloucesterChief (Post 12020656)



It is more their arrangements. Like I said, it is hard to pin down their style since they change it up quite a bit.

How about we just say that Ghost ****ing rules. Their latest album is a masterpiece. Sweden churns out so many great metal bands.

ToxSocks 01-12-2016 01:38 PM

I wish i could like metal more than i do. But every time a metal lyricist opens his mouth i wanna shoot myself in the face. They're either screaming obnoxiously or the lyrics are just straight up cheesy as ****, often times both.

I don't mind screaming, i prefer it in my Punk...but there's something about Metal lyricists that just drives me nuts.

KCUnited 01-12-2016 01:42 PM

http://thehardtimes.net/2016/01/04/v...ies-as-singer/

TULSA, OK – Local musician Mike Thornton, frontman of the hardcore band Striving Few, announced last night during his band’s set that he no longer identifies as a vocalist, but as a singer.

“Yo, listen up. I need to speak my truth. For years, I’ve been listed as ‘vox’ on all our releases. But that’s not me. I am telling you all tonight I am up here as a singer,” said Thornton, known for his unintelligible, harshly yelled vocals.

GloucesterChief 01-12-2016 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 12021390)
I wish i could like metal more than i do. But every time a metal lyricist opens his mouth i wanna shoot myself in the face. They're either screaming obnoxiously or the lyrics are just straight up cheesy as ****, often times both.

I don't mind screaming, i prefer it in my Punk...but there's something about Metal lyricists that just drives me nuts.

Depends on the band. Black and Death metal will have growling and screaming. Dave Mustaine growls when he "sings". Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Blind Guardian, Ghost, and others actually have good to great singers.

See some example below:

Bruce Dickinson - Iron Maiden
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Rob Halford - Judas Priest
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/8J9zyviTTmQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Hansi Kürsch - Blind Guardian
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/47yXHKDSz18" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Papa Emeritus I,II, & III (they are all the same person) - Ghost
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/DkDx0cmOSHk" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

ToxSocks 01-13-2016 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by GloucesterChief (Post 12022752)
Depends on the band. Black and Death metal will have growling and screaming. Dave Mustaine growls when he "sings". Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Blind Guardian, Ghost, and others actually have good to great singers.

Dave Mustain. That's the guy. A buddy of mine told me about this rock legend. He was a hardcore Mustain groupie. I don't know what it was that l listened to, as i've heard Megadeth before and didn't have a problem with it, but when I put this shit on I face palmed the whole time.

Swanman 01-13-2016 04:39 PM

Here is some melodeath goodness:

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Vocalist mixes in two or three variations of growling in addition to all the clean vocals.

ToxSocks 01-13-2016 05:01 PM

I will say that im diggin' the Stoner Metal stuff...wherever that thread went. I pulled a lot of good music out of there.

Upon further investigation, it's that Death Metal stuff that i can't stand. Here's a great example. The instrumentation is good. Then the lead singer opens his ****ing mouth.

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And yet i like bands like Mudvayne and Slipknot....go figure lol

GloucesterChief 01-13-2016 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 12024392)
Dave Mustain. That's the guy. A buddy of mine told me about this rock legend. He was a hardcore Mustain groupie. I don't know what it was that l listened to, as i've heard Megadeth before and didn't have a problem with it, but when I put this shit on I face palmed the whole time.

Mustaine is an excellent guitarist and song writer. He can't sing though. On some songs it works great like Peace Sells But Whose Buying. Others, it is certainly a liability.

Swanman 01-14-2016 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by GloucesterChief (Post 12024847)
Mustaine is an excellent guitarist and song writer. He can't sing though. On some songs it works great like Peace Sells But Whose Buying. Others, it is certainly a liability.

I saw Megadeth with Slayer when both bands were celebrating the 20th anniversary of Rust in Peace and Seasons in the Abyss, respectively. The bands played those albums in their entirety and it was downright painful listening to Mustaine try to sing all the songs on Rust in Peace. The guitar work on all those songs still made them awesome live but the vocals were really bad.

lawrenceRaider 01-14-2016 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 12024436)
I will say that im diggin' the Stoner Metal stuff...wherever that thread went. I pulled a lot of good music out of there.

Upon further investigation, it's that Death Metal stuff that i can't stand. Here's a great example. The instrumentation is good. Then the lead singer opens his ****ing mouth.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/If9VmBlp82c" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

And yet i like bands like Mudvayne and Slipknot....go figure lol

I actually really dig "some" death metal, but more specifically the melodic death metal. Kalmah is my favorite from that genre.

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/T1NLxoFHU4w" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/-0jUpn-LF7c" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Amon Amarth is bad ass as well.

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