Will the Big X be left out of the playoff again this year?
 

The Big X as we know has been hamstrung by not having a conference championship game and by only having 10 teams, and with Baylor's loss this weekend, the Big X now has only one undefeated team left - Oklahoma State, who is due to face two top 10 teams in the next two weeks.

Will the Big X be without an argument to put a team in the playoff again this season, when they end up with multiple 1-loss teams and no way to differentiate them?

No.

Possibly, if ND is in the playoffs.

Pac12 is left out regardless of that scenario.

Definitely. Houston is more deserving than a 1 loss big 12 team if they win out IMO

Even over a 1 loss Oklahoma team(assuming they beat OK St and TCU)?

Oklahoma State will shock the world.

Oklahoma is in perfect position to get in.

Not that it means anything for conference pride. People still call the SEC the best football conference and they haven't sniffed a title in years.

Oklahoma will lose to Oklahoma State.

Clemson, Alabama, ND, and Big10 champ.

When you have a loss against a shitty Texas team, you shouldn't even be considered.

Big XII????

If you're talking about them......I still don't care.

Definitely. That'd be 1 more loss than Houston. The American conference isn't too far behind the big 12 at this point.

Yeah! Except not at all. They're #2 in today's Sagarin and the top team in his predictor rating which looks forward. So not even close bro.

There is a better than 50/50 chance that the Big 12 gets a team in.

If I were predicting today, I'd guess it winds up being...

Ohio State
Alabama
Clemson
Oklahoma

After that, it would be

Notre Dame
Florida
Houston


Oklahoma State and Iowa are both frauds.

I say all this because it's pretty obvious that for the Big X to be sure they are going to get a team in the playoff anymore, that team will have to be undefeated. Otherwise, they're almost always going to end up arguing for their team against several other 1 loss teams, but those teams will have won their respective conference championships.

(Even if they are left out this year, and scramble to put a championship on the schedule next year, are they still going to be able to argue that winning a 10 team conference is the same as winning a 12 or 14 or 16 team conference?)

You might be the only idiot left who still believes in the Sagarin rankings.

It is harder to win a 10 team conference than a 12, 14, or 16 team conference. You don't skip teams in a 10 team conference like you do in the others. Particularly when those conferences with more teams only play 8 conference games and can load up on four cupcakes every year.

The conference championship issue is a good point, but it shouldn't matter how many teams are in your conference (within reason) because not everybody plays each other in the mega conferences anyway. What's the difference between a 10-team conference and a 14-team conference where each team has to play the same number of conference games (barring the championship games)

Who has Oklahoma beaten so far? A ridiculously overrated Tennessee and West Virginia squads? A Baylor team playing with their backup QB?

Because in a 10 team conference you play everyone vs a team being really good in a weaker division and not playing the best of the best in the conference during the regular season(i.e: Florida not playing all of Alabama, Ole Miss, and LSU during the regular season and Iowa avoiding Michigan, Michigan St., and Ohio St.).

So if OU wins out against TCU and Okie State, will that change your view?

The difference is that with a conference that is 60% larger, there's a much better chance that in a given year a great team will be there, and the level of the two teams that reach the conference championship should then, in par, be greater.

You might miss a good team in a given year, but you have an equal chance to miss the free wins that Big X teams are living off.

Look at Oklahoma. They are sitting at 6 conference wins. 4 of those wins were freebies - they have come against teams that have 4 conference wins combined. Two of those teams are winless.

Their only quality win is Baylor, and Baylor seems to be a paper tiger - lost to the first ranked team they played. The badness of their loss is much greater than the quality of their one quality win.

Oklahoma will probably finish the year having only played 2 teams that will finish the season ranked. So I don't buy that round robin scheduling makes things harder at all.

Seriously......

you think Houston is better than Baylor, TCU, or OU??????

Did you go to school there or something?

Nope. Lost to a bad Texas team. The whole idea behind using a committee to decide the 4 team playoff was that every game counts. Right now, Oklahoma has the worst loss off all the contenders.

Would any of us be surprised if the Big XII(-4, +2) gets left out? If Oklahoma DOES make it with a terrible loss to a god awful Texas on their resume then it's time to start criticizing the selection process, especially considering what other one loss teams (and possibly some two loss teams) would be left out.

If they DON'T make it in this year, I fully expect them to make a full court push to getting schools like Houston and Louisville into the conference.

Oklahoma got their shit pushed in by an awful Texas team

No ****ing way

Plus they will lose again so it won't matter

BYU lolz not Louisville

Louisville would be dumb to change to the big left outs

Why would BYU join the Big 12 when they have their own network?

TCU isn't even in the conversation.

Baylor will likely be a 2 loss team (or more) so they won't be either.

Texas fan is very interested in this answer....

There is a lot of football to be played so I am not going to debate one way or the other


BUT


Everyone forgets that Ohio State had a loss to a mediocre team last year and ended up being the best team in the country by a mile.

Didn't seem to bother the committee last year as they put OSU in who lost to a mediocre VT team.

Exactly. Alabama and OU are better than earlier in the year.

We will see. Lots of football left.

...and subsequently beat 3 ranked teams, won 11 games in a row, and won their conference championship before the committee made that decision.

I wouldn't be surprised at all. One good school, a trio of second tier teams and a bunch of really bad squads. I'm not sure anyone other than Oklahoma would even finish in the top half of the SEC and I think OSU/Baylor/TCU would each lose 3-4 conference games in the Big 10 or Pac 12. Of course that's just my opinion and really irrelevant to the argument. Sticking with wins and losses Oklahoma might have a shot with 1 loss. If Oklahoma State manages to go undefeated and get in, they'll get their ass handed to them, but they'll have gotten in. I don't think anybody else has a realistic shot. My guess is that OU gets in. Whether they deserve it or not is arguable, but they'll have beaten two more ranked teams if they get through the next few weeks.

:D

Let the Ohio State hate flow.

Come on, lets hear you cry about their weak schedule that was made years ago.

Did you watch the game or just see the final score?

OU slept walked until the 4th quarter; then it was too late.

Yes, but they had the worst loss of the potential playoff teams last year. A one loss Big 12 team can make the same case.

They proved themselves but that doesn't mean you can't find fault with the committee's reasoning .

They beat 1 ranked team during the season, and smoked a decent Wisconsin team to get in the tourney.

We aren't discussing who will win the championship, but who has a shot getting in the hunt.


OU has a shot to beat 3 high-ranked opponents at the end of the season, which "on paper" appears just as impressive than OhSt going into the tourney.

They probably won't pull it off, though.

No, but you have to two best teams in the division battle it out when it counts to get into the playoff.

No teams that do not have a conference or a championship game should be allowed into the the playoffs until it expands to eight teams.

:facepalm:

Even when they have already "Battled it out" once before?

In a ten team conference though, if you play 9 conference games you play everybody. You don't get to feast on a weak schedule like Florida is doing this year.

Florida is unlikely to get in unless they win their conference championship.

That's the function of the conference championship. If there are any pretenders who make it there, adding another game onto the end of the schedule against the next best team in the conference, even if you've already played them, makes you prove it.

There is not a chance on earth that they put the Big XII winner in over Notre Dame. You better hope one of these four top teams loses.

ND could lose to Stanford.

At this point....

the only way OU gets in the playoffs is for OU to win out (which will cause them to leapfrog Iowa); and Stanford to beat ND.

It's questionable if OU would get in with 1 loss, I think. The Big X might only have the hope of OSU running the table.

1. Clemson
2. Alabama
3. Ohio State
4. ND

If all those teams win out, are you guys saying the Big XII gets one in? If so, who's out?

Next few weeks are going to be alot of fun. If the Big Ten season ended now, who would be in the conference champ game? Iowa vs. Ohio St?

None.

That would be an awesome Final 4.

I'm not sure who would win head to head but an undefeated team is more deserving than a 1 loss team when they're both in mediocre conferences.

I don't get why people are so focused on Conference Championship games. Sure it gives you an opportunity to have another win to increase your profile but at the same time it can equally prove to be meaningless.

Take Alabama for example. The SEC East is so terrible that winning their Conf Champ game does nothing for their profile. If they lose however they would automatically be disqualified.

Oklahoma has a loss to Texas. This is true. Alabama has a loss to Ole Miss. Oklahoma still has the opportunity to beat TCU AND Oklahoma State.

If they do that they will have wins over the following ranked teams:

#23, #23, #6, #15, and #8

By comparison Notre Dame has beaten only #14 and #21 (chance to beat Stanford who will be in the 20's)

Alabama will have beaten #20, #8, #9, #2, and #17. Most of those ranked teams have been exposed as frauds BTW.

Clemson has perhaps the worst resume of all. Wins over #6 and #16. Obvouisly their bump is due to being "undefeated".

Actually check that. Ohio State has the worst of all. Having yet to beat a ranked team. That must a misprint but regardless they get to finish the season with Michigan and Michigan State. Two decent wins but still worlds away from what Oklahoma can do.

****ing hilarious that you mention that most of The ranked teams that Alabama has played have been exposed as frauds, but you don't mention the same thing about Oklahoma.

Alabama will be in

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Are you serious? If everyone wins out, Oklahoma State is in over Notre Dame. There won't even be a debate.

I think ND is better than OkSt, but you are probably right.


OkSt will have beaten all of the Big 12 "heavyweights" (whatever that means).

ND has one loss, and so an undefeated Big X team would get in over them. The problem for the Big X is that if they don't have an undefeated team, they probably don't have a case.

Yes, I am serious. I personally think Oklahoma State should be in over ND. But I still think it's a legitimate question.

If Oklahoma State runs the table against Oklahoma, Baylor, TCU, and 9 other teams, they are 100% in...probably as the #1 seed.

Piss and moan about scheduling all you want. Just remember that these schedules were made years ago.

Yeah there will. As long as Clemson doesn't fall apart, that's their only loss. Nobody is leaping over Notre Dame. I definitely don't think anyone will. Desmond Howard and I believe Herbstreit have suggested the exact same thing. It's Notre Dame.

You seem to be the only one who thinks it's an absolute fact.

He's not the only one.


He is right, and I believe that whoever played OkSt would beat the ever-loving shit out of them.

Then I'm the only one who knows what he's talking about. Oklahoma State would have 3 wins better than Notre Dame's best win and no losses. They would likely leapfrog everyone.

It's not going to matter, though. Oklahoma State is a fraud. They aren't running the table.

Understand this: We do not disagree on whether they should be in or not. We agree on that point.

But I don't think you can guarantee the committee will include an undefeated Okie state team. They have two one loss teams over two undefeated teams currently.

You flipped man. :)

I am right no matter what. ;)


I can't imagine OkSt winning out. They are not a top 15 team IMO.

Agree notorious.

I actually wouldn't mind seeing Oklahoma in if they win out. That game was fun to watch last night. They've got a solid squad.

They do, but the season isn't over. Assume everyone wins out. ND's three toughest games would be Clemson, Stanford, and Navy. They would be 2-1 in those games and undefeated against a bunch of mediocre others.

OSU would be 3-0 against Baylor, TCU, and Oklahoma...unquestionably better competition than ND's top 3, and they wouldn't have a loss.

OSU would have a better record against a much tougher schedule. They would be in. The only question is whether or not they would be the number one seed, and they probably would.

I am confused.. Didn't Florida play LSU and Ole Miss? The only team we missed was Alabama, and we will likely face them in three weeks or so in Atlanta. And we will face FSU in a couple weeks.

Our overall schedule, including the SEC championship, is nowhere near weak.

It was a ridiculous post.

Ole Miss is mediocre and LSU is one dimensional and overrated.

Baylor is very average without their QB, TCU is ****ing awful and has been exposed as such, and Oklahoma lost to ****ing Texas. The Little IX doesn't have a team deserving of being in the playoff this season.

Alabama lost to Ole Miss. You don't hear anyone screaming about how they don't belong.

Oklahoma has the personnel and path set for another championship. Stoops is ready for another.

The winner of Ok St and OU will easily be in over ND if ND wins out. Not sure this is even really debatable. Bedlam is essentially a play-in game this year.

Nate Silver has both OU and OkSt above ND in probability of making the playoff.

You guys are trying to think too logically. If Notre Dame is sitting there, I would be stunned if the committee doesn't take them. It's Notre Dame.

With all due respect, you really don't know college football do you? Do you even bother to watch the games?