Chargers, Raiders propose shared NFL stadium in Carson
 

The light has gone out of my life.

Ghey

WTF

It's weird enough to me that the Giants and Jets share a stadium, but at least they're in different conferences.

This is just bullshit. Surely there's some well connected suburb that the Bolts can build a nice 55k seat coliseum.

Weird

Chargers or Raiders will switch to NFC and someone in the NFC West would move to the AFC probably.

No ****ing way the AFCW gets broken up.

The league had their chance in 2002 and it didn't happen.

You know Seattle was in the AFC west before 2002 right?

Can't happen

So was Tampa, what's your point?

The AFCW has been consistent since 1959.

The only way this stadium works.. one of them heads to the NFC West. If that were the case, which NFC West team would you want back?

Seattle

Yeah they are good, who cares, we all have history with them and Seattle is a AL city in baseball as well. :D

It would probably be better for the NFL if the Raiders moved to the NFC for the rivalry with SF, but I'm sure most Denver and KC fans would rather keep Oakland the Raiders as their rivals than San Diego the Chargers.

St. Louis. Natural rival for KC

I don't like this idea at all.

the Rams moving to LA makes too much sense. Maybe the lambs and the faiders share a stadium.

I was thinking along these lines...Kroenke calls both teams...tries to work out a deal for one of them to play in his stadium so you will have an AFC & NFC team in the same stadium just like NY. The NFL would sign off on that.

While I think it's complete BS when (billionaire) owners position themselves for new stadiums on the backs of taxpayers......Qualcomm is a dump, pure and simple.

San Diego needs a new stadium. Not sure how to pay for it - but it needs to happen.

There is no better place for a super bowl than San Diego - and the dump that Qualcomm is....will never happen again until a new stadium is built.

There is room downtown.

The Chargers have been wanting a new stadium for over 12 years. The city of San Diego have been dicking around and are no where close to coming up with a plan. The Chargers told the city last week that they want a plan by next fall but also said that to get a 2/3rd's voter approval to fund it was never going to happen. This latest plan sounds stupid but I am not surprised by it.

Yes, and I think that plan is great because there's no realignment. The LA Rams fit perfectly in the NFC West, and whichever of the squalid California teams wants to move to LA can also do it.

There's no doubt we'd be the ones moving to the NFC. Raiders have more history, as much as I hate to admit it.

I just realized that my comment about the Raiders having a rivalry with SF doesn't make sense, since the Raiders would be out of the bay area.

I would think that a Chargers/Raiders stadium would be a nightmare for the Chargers. IMHO they just don't have the rabid fan base. The Faid would overshadow them big time. Again JMHO.

Personally I think the Chargers best option is to open up to the entire County. I think they would garner a lot more support than what the City is giving them. Not sure how all that works.

Except the Rams aren't long for St. Louis

I agree. I think its a Slam Dunk the Rams end up back in LA.

Hopefully San Diego will finally just give the Chargers the Qualcomm site.

That's the best place for a new stadium.

That would still leave the cost of replacing/remodeling Qualcomm. If they are looking for Tax Payer support I don't think they will get it.

IMO, the best solution for the Spanos family is to sell 49% of the team to a multi-billionaire. With that money, the Spanos family agrees to pay 50% towards a new stadium along with the new owner.

The Spanos family would probably net $500 million in that scenario and still maintain controlling interest in the their team.

Win-Win.

The stadium drawings they had of the stadium next to Petco Park looked pretty cool.

Is there something that says one of the teams has to switch conferences? The Clippers and Lakers both play in the same building, and same division. I don't see why the Chargers and Raiders can't do it too.

Different beast the NBA is a geographically based league for one. Second, and the big reason, television would be a nightmare. Really need teams for both networks especially in a market like Los Angeles.

Dumbest idea ever

Well this sure shakes things up, doesn't it?

not a founding member
Tampa Bay was in the AFC west also...

The thing I don't get with either the Chargers or Raiders is what the hell is wrong with the deal that Anschutz gave them? Farmers Field location seems to be a winner, expect the teams must want their own parking lots is the only thing I can think of.

Chargers and the Seahawks would likely swap divisions in that case, and the NFCW would again return to the division nobody cares about.

He initially wanted to purchase either team, then lowered his demands to 51%.

Goodell ruled out a return to LA for the Raiders as long as Mark Davis is part of the ownership. The Spanos family doesn't want to sell any percentage of the team, as it represents 92% of their net worth.

Tampa Bay was never in the AFC.

Thats what I was thinking. I mean, I know I'm getting old but thats something would have remembered.

**** the Chargers

Wow, TIL. Can't believe I never knew that.

IIRC, the Bucs played the AFC west teams 1 time that year and the rest was other AFC teams.

Dean's not willing to give AEG part-ownership of the team.

The 70s are nothing but a blur for me. At the age of 14 there were so many other things of interest than football.
Sneaking moms car out at night so I could have some wheels to pursue what was important in life. Like Booze, drugs and pussy. Not necessarily in that order.

Or, "Chargers and Raiders try to exert maximum leverage to **** over taxpayers in Oakland and San Diego by threatening to move to LA if those taxpayers don't bend over for them."

Seriously, **** all pro sports teams that try to get even more ridiculously rich off taxpayers. It's disgusting.

Actually, moving the Rams and the Bucs both to LA might work out well.

So they each get an extra home game every year? **** that.

It would be a logistical nightmare. Petco already overcrowds downtown. Building a Football stadium next to our convention center and Petco park sounds like a nice idea, but it would clog up an already clogged downtown SD.

These new stadiums are being built with personal seat licencing. According to the Charger's market research, San Diego's fan base won't support personal seat licencing, and the smaller city of San Diego won't get as much corporate support like L.A would.

Basically, L.A can build a stadium w/o Taxpayer money and the need for a 2/3's vote, while San Diego can't/won't.

Been a San Diego Chargers fan since I was 10. Looks like that is about to change.

You'll now be a Los Angeles Chargers fan? :p

Are we going to let this out-of-nowhere JimNasium sighting go by without any fanfare? Well, ok then.

To hell with that.

WTF are you talking about? You just acknowledged that Seattle was in the division, then say the division has been consistent since 1959.

NFC WEST

Oakland
San Fran
Seattle
San Diego

AFC WEST
KC
St. Louis
Denver
Arizona

So now CBS has to give up California in its tv rights for AFC games. Brilliant move on your part.

Bucs are going nowhere. The lease is not breakable.

Meh. Bye-Bye San Diego. Hello Seattle. Though, really would rather see the Rams switch. Seattle probably makes more sense. Whatevs.

Should be fun to see what actually happens here.

Do you know much about the Bucs lease? Any details?

People say the same about the Jaguars, but anyone who does knows nothing about their situation... their lease is also water tight, their owner just dumped $50 million out of his own pocket into the stadium, and he's attempting to gain permits to develop other parts of the riverfront near the stadium. They aren't moving.

I heard that on the radio this morning. Also Inglewood and the Rams claims to be going forward. So three NFL franchises in LA.

Seems unlikely to me, but you never know.

The real question here is how many people would die in the parking lot on the two days when the Raiders and Chargers play each other every year.

67% of the AFC West have been the same franchises since 1959.

So yes. The division has been consistent.

We'll take the Faiders and you can have the Shehawks.

Money always wins out over "history". AFCW tradition or no; if they want to get it done the history isn't going to stand in the way.

would that be the case though? I swear I saw multiple games this year on CBS that had NFC teams on it, not only that some of them pitted NFC vs. NFC.

and for the record, if they moved out of the AFCW then I would want Seattle in the division so that I could go to a Chiefs game every year. Having said that it'll never happen. Seattle doesn't want back in the AFCW, they like their rivalry with SF.

that is horrible. you trying to troll?

St Louis and KC can't be in the same division either..

The networks have the right to switch a few games to help increase their doubleheaders or to even out inventory to help ratings.

In 76 for their first year Tampa Bay and Seattle played in opposite divisions and then switched in 77 moving forward. This was planned to give them exposure to as much of the league as possible from the start it was never intended to be anything but a one year transition.

Edited, actually T Bay went to the NFC Central but yeah...

1.There isn't going to be a conference realignment.

2. There isn't going to be a shared stadium in L.A.

3. LA wants nothing to do with the Raiders franchise. They want new and hip,not old and stale.

I agree, it's all posturing.

Stan Kroeke's deal is 99.999% in the books, so the Raiders and Chargers are trying to use whatever leverage is left in order to force their municipalities to find a solution.

So are all the nice fans going to show up for the Chargers and all the psychopaths show up for the Raiders? No of course not. It's going to be nothing but psychopaths. I'm going to live a few miles from this stadium and never be able to go to a game.

The big question is would Al approve of Mark considering this with an enemy in the division?:D

The NFL would move Oakland or San Diego to the NFC west not both if they share a stadium. It would be pointless to move both.

Bluff or not? If the Chargers were bluffing, they would have announced the Carson plan a week from now, after the season tickets holders had paid their first installment. Since they announced their Carson plan 10 days earlier than the ticket deadline, it shows that they are serious. Before the Rams move to St. Louis, they made similar moves which downgraded their ability to secure season ticket renewals, which proved to the NFL that remaining in place would be bad business. To convince the league of the need to move, a team must show the great negative financial impact of remaining in place. Less season ticket holders, coupled with less corporate involvement due to the Chargers limited number of sky-boxes, will help meet league criteria.

That's the end game...

Chargers and Rams move to L.A., whether it be at Carson or the Kroenke site in Inglewood.

Oakland stays at O.co until the NFL and the A's tell them to get ****ed, then they'll split Levi's Stadium with the 49ers until the Raiders can get a new home in Oakland / San Jose where the **** ever.

The site in Carson is down the street almost literally from where my family lives. lol That would be cool.

Looks like things are not going will for San Diego's bid to keep the Chargers in town.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sports...616-story.html

In another indication of the impasse between the Chargers and the city of San Diego, the club released a statement Tuesday saying it does not believe a stadium initiative can be put on the ballot this year..

That means the Chargers hold little hope of staying in San Diego, at least according to the NFL's current timeline, and will continue to jointly pursue a Carson stadium with the Oakland Raiders.