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Deberg_1990 10-20-2014 06:24 AM

Who will be the QB to break Mannings TD record?
 
Brady, Brees seem too old? Luck maybe? Or maybe he hasn't been drafted yet?


Who will it be?

http://m.pfref.com/m?p=XXleadersXXpass_td_career.htm

BigRichard 10-20-2014 06:45 AM

In five years pretty much any QB will be able to break it because they will change the rules even more making it a touch league.

Mannings record is bullshit because they have changed the rules. They can't change the rules every god damn year and then make the case that players are going for the same records. It is bullshit as far as I am concerned.

Mr. Kotter 10-20-2014 06:45 AM

Luck

beach tribe 10-20-2014 06:47 AM

Luck will own all of the Records when he is done.

Marino to Farve to Manning to Luck

Big Poppa Payne 10-20-2014 06:49 AM

Alex Smith

BigCatDaddy 10-20-2014 06:51 AM

Luck will own every record barring injury. He's already lighting is up with far less supporting cast than what Manning had. Once he gets some weapons... it's going to be scary.

In58men 10-20-2014 06:57 AM

Somebody who doesn't throw check downs. That doesn't work in the NFL

Molitoth 10-20-2014 07:08 AM

Luck is the only one I can think of.

Coochie liquor 10-20-2014 07:40 AM

It's gonna be Manning the next time he throws a TD. But seriously I'll have to go with Luck, unless Favre comes outta retirement.

Simply Red 10-20-2014 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Poppa Payne (Post 11032686)
Alex Smith

this.

crazycoffey 10-20-2014 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 11032772)
It's gonna be Manning the next time he throws a TD. But seriously I'll have to go with Luck, unless Favre comes outta retirement.

bring him in for a look?

ILChief 10-20-2014 07:49 AM

Luck

Amnorix 10-20-2014 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRichard (Post 11032677)
In five years pretty much any QB will be able to break it because they will change the rules even more making it a touch league.

Mannings record is bullshit because they have changed the rules. They can't change the rules every god damn year and then make the case that players are going for the same records. It is bullshit as far as I am concerned.


This pretty much goes for every record in every sport. Just sayin'. The rules change, or the nature of the game changes.

Eleazar 10-20-2014 08:30 AM

Manning is kind of the perfect storm. You have clearly one of the greatest QBs ever, and you put him on a team that plays in a dome, let him start from day one, and on a team that focuses their offense around the pass. He plays with the same great receivers for most of his career and is one of the most remarkably durable quarterbacks in history.

It's hard to picture any active player being able to do those things.

OldSchool 10-20-2014 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 11032854)
Manning is kind of the perfect storm. You have clearly one of the greatest QBs ever, and you put him on a team that plays in a dome, let him start from day one, and on a team that focuses their offense around the pass. He plays with the same great receivers for most of his career and is one of the most remarkably durable quarterbacks in history.

It's hard to picture any active player being able to do those things.

This. The record will stand for a while and the QB who will break it is not in the NFL right now. Luck is the only one that might come close because he has the most ideal situation with everything set up for him to succeed.

No rotating HC/OC. Very good weapons. Plays in a very weak division. Etc.

lcarus 10-20-2014 08:42 AM

Shit, it depends on how long Peyton keeps playing. If he plays another season or two after this, he's gonna have himself quite a record by the time he's done.

Mile High Mania 10-20-2014 08:43 AM

Sure, Luck has a chance... but it could get ugly.

Favre had an iron man streak of games and played until he was 40, right? Favre started 291 of 302 NFL Games.

Peyton has started 242 of 246 games, and missed an entire season.

Favre was prolific, and that's what makes it crazier to digest when you figure Manning got to 510 in 49 fewer NFL games. Think about that for a bit.

Luck or whomever is destined to break the record will have a phenomenal 18-20 year career. Say he ends with 530 TDs, that's an average of 29.4 TDs for 18 years.

Crazy. Andrew has 23, 23 and now 19 TDs... so it will be interesting.

Dayze 10-20-2014 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lcarus (Post 11032876)
Shit, it depends on how long Peyton keeps playing. If he plays another season or two after this, he's gonna have himself quite a record by the time he's done.

It's the only reason he's still playing and will continue to play. To get all the records / extend records etc.

lcarus 10-20-2014 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 11032884)
It's the only reason he's still playing and will continue to play. To get all the records / extend records etc.

Yeah and you know he wants that #2 Super Bowl ring.

Dayze 10-20-2014 08:51 AM

Actually. IMO I I think after his last to super bowl perfoances, he just said "**** this" and wants the records instead. He strikes me as that type of guy.

vailpass 10-20-2014 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 11032900)
Actually. IMO I I think after his last to super bowl perfoances, he just said "**** this" and wants the records instead. He strikes me as that type of guy.

I usually agree with your takes brotha but this one puzzles me...

Dayze 10-20-2014 08:58 AM

Dunno...just my fat guy gut feeling. I just get the feeling he's all about the stats at this point. (RIGGED! lol).

lcarus 10-20-2014 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 11032919)
Dunno...just my fat guy gut feeling. I just get the feeling he's all about the stats at this point. (RIGGED! lol).

He's definitely all about his legacy that he's gonna leave behind. And I think that definitely includes another Super Bowl victory.

Exoter175 10-20-2014 09:02 AM

Probably Luck or Ryan, but that's the only two current players I could see doing it.

Mile High Mania 10-20-2014 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 11032927)
Probably Luck or Ryan, but that's the only two current players I could see doing it.

Ryan? Maybe Rodgers and Luck. It will be a while.

penbrook 10-20-2014 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 11032961)
Ryan? Maybe Rodgers and Luck. It will be a while.

Rodgers is too old. He won't break it

Garcia Bronco 10-20-2014 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRichard (Post 11032677)
In five years pretty much any QB will be able to break it because they will change the rules even more making it a touch league.

Mannings record is bullshit because they have changed the rules. They can't change the rules every god damn year and then make the case that players are going for the same records. It is bullshit as far as I am concerned.

They haven't "changed" a single rule. All they did was enforce the rule they already had.

TEX 10-20-2014 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 11032652)
Brady, Brees seem too old? Luck maybe? Or maybe he hasn't been drafted yet?


Who will it be?

http://m.pfref.com/m?p=XXleadersXXpass_td_career.htm


Ask Go Chiefs and he'll tell you it will be Geno Smith...

jLoy88 10-20-2014 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco (Post 11032994)
They haven't "changed" a single rule. All they did was enforce the rule they already had.

Actually targetting defenseless players over the middle is a new rule. There used to be an unwritten rule for quarterbacks not to leave it up high for their receiver over the middle because he would literally get blown the **** up. The changes to hand jawing and hits over the middle significantly changed the game.

vailpass 10-20-2014 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 11032919)
Dunno...just my fat guy gut feeling. I just get the feeling he's all about the stats at this point. (RIGGED! lol).

No doubt he's racking stats. Not sure that equates to a pro not caring about a ring. Lulz on the rigged, that dude is crazy...

Dayze 10-20-2014 09:57 AM

Yeah, I know. .there's no basis for my thought at all...just a crazy assed thought on my part etc.

saphojunkie 10-20-2014 09:58 AM

Luck started producing early enough. Rodgers lost time on the bench. Brees lost time to injury/bad teams.

Brady is done.

vailpass 10-20-2014 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 11033048)
Yeah, I know. .there's no basis for my thought at all...just a crazy assed thought on my part etc.

Fair enough, gut feeling is nothing to be discounted. I'm on a two night roll so could be misunderstanding. But from my perspective (get that it's not yours) that offense was fun to watch last night...

Chief_For_Life58 10-20-2014 10:05 AM

Farve when he comes outta retirement at age 50

DaFace 10-20-2014 10:07 AM

Luck has the best chance of anyone currently playing, but I kind of doubt he gets there. My guess is the record will stand for a decade or more.

jonzie04 10-20-2014 10:07 AM

Luck and cam newton are the only ones that have a shot imo. Both play way too reckless now to have that kind of longevity. But both are special pocket passers. Carolina needs to get cam some weapons though

Hootie 10-20-2014 10:08 AM

This is gonna be a record that stands for a very long time. He's gonna get to 600, maybe 620.

Simply Red 10-20-2014 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 11032652)
Brady, Brees seem too old? Luck maybe? Or maybe he hasn't been drafted yet?


Who will it be?

your mom.

cron912 10-20-2014 10:22 AM

Defren Freibel, drafted out of the University of Tatooine by the Bespin Rebels. He/she/it will break the record on November 11th, 2076.

underEJ 10-20-2014 10:42 AM

I can't wait for it to be over. And I hope no one ever comes close to breaking it, because when he is finally off my tv, I want him gone for good. I really do love watching excellence in football. I loved watching Favre. I sometimes like watching Brady at his best, and I so far enjoy watching Luck, though it is an abomination that he ended up in Indy. That being said, I have never enjoyed watching Manning except when his face mask is full of turf, and that never happens any more. I have never seen one person so talented, skilled, and in this league, privileged, who complains more. It is almost NBA level bitching and moaning all game long whenever things don't go exactly his way. There have been several must watch talents in the NFL in my lifetime, and even if I haven't enjoyed their teams, I have generally appreciated the exhibition of talent. I look forward to the next one, Luck perhaps, or a name unknown as of yet. Until then, may this just end soon.

I just close my eyes and think of Broncos I have liked (shockingly there are a few) like Ed McCaffrey. He was crazy. I loved that guy.

Pablo 10-20-2014 10:46 AM

Manning doesn't get touched. I know the wishful Chiefs fans among us like to think he'll just fold up if they win a SB this year; but I don't see it. He's playing as good as he ever has and will probably just hang out and be a 40 year old robot for Denver. I fully expect the Fivehead to be slinging the rock for two more seasons after this one, regardless of what Denver does in the playoffs.

I'd imagine he's of the same mindset as Brady and will give it up when he thinks he sucks. I don't see that happening anytime soon, unless I take a drink of the homer-aid.

He'll probably get to 600+ like Hootie said and this record will be untouchable for some time.

Mile High Mania 10-20-2014 10:50 AM

If the stars align and Denver won the SB, it would be hard to imagine a return.

Lex Luthor 10-20-2014 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 11032884)
It's the only reason he's still playing and will continue to play. To get all the records / extend records etc.

I disagree. I think he's playing because he enjoys it and because there is nothing like the rush you get when you're competing at something and you're great at it.

Kind of like Joe Montana said near the end of his career: "I know that it's almost over. The only way I can have people understand it is to pick something that you really enjoy in your life right now and, all of a sudden, you have someone come up to you and say, 'You're not allowed to have it or do it for the rest of your life.' I think that puts it a little more into perspective. You want to make it last as long as you can."

Easy 6 10-20-2014 11:34 AM

Every contender outside of Luck is way too old to do it, except maybe Rodgers.

Kman34 10-20-2014 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 11032707)
Somebody who doesn't throw check downs. That doesn't work in the NFL

Rich Gannon

Sweet Daddy Hate 10-20-2014 01:12 PM

No one evar/2.0

BigRichard 10-20-2014 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jLoy88 (Post 11033027)
Actually targetting defenseless players over the middle is a new rule. There used to be an unwritten rule for quarterbacks not to leave it up high for their receiver over the middle because he would literally get blown the **** up. The changes to hand jawing and hits over the middle significantly changed the game.

I also think they changed the push out of bounds as well??? Changes about hitting the QB. Sliding rules for QB. There has been a ton of changes to rules to make it so QBs can play "better".

BigRichard 10-20-2014 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 11032800)
This pretty much goes for every record in every sport. Just sayin'. The rules change, or the nature of the game changes.

If the rules change then it isn't the same game, period.

TLO 10-20-2014 01:17 PM

Brock Oswiler

Sweet Daddy Hate 10-20-2014 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Smoke (Post 11033645)
Brock Oswiler

ROFLROFLROFLROFL

He will!/KnowMo :)

BigRichard 10-20-2014 01:20 PM

So if tomorrow they announce that all QB's will have flags put on their waste from here on out and you are not allowed to touch them, only grab their flag. Then QBs start lighting it up and no bodies start passing Manning's record does that count in everyones eyes?

ptlyon 10-20-2014 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRichard (Post 11033658)
So if tomorrow they announce that all QB's will have flags put on their waste from here on out and you are not allowed to touch them, only grab their flag. Then QBs start lighting it up and no bodies start passing Manning's record does that count in everyones eyes?

English. Speak it mother****er.

vailpass 10-20-2014 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ptlyon (Post 11033688)
English. Speak it mother****er.

:)

ILChief 10-20-2014 02:02 PM

Aaron Murray or Tyler Bray

BigRichard 10-20-2014 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ptlyon (Post 11033688)
English. Speak it mother****er.

No

BigRichard 10-20-2014 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ptlyon (Post 11033688)
English. Speak it mother****er.

After reading that again I don't know how I thought that was ok. ROFL I think I had a small stroke.

Dayze 10-20-2014 02:10 PM

I don't want to see any flags on anyone's waste.

Sorter 10-20-2014 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRichard (Post 11033762)
After reading that again I don't know how I thought that was ok. ROFL I think I had a small stroke.

ROFL

J Diddy 10-20-2014 02:37 PM

Luck me thinks

Crying Ramtard 10-20-2014 02:40 PM

they'll change the rules again after he leaves and no one will get it for a long time till it serves a purpose for the league somehow

Sweet Daddy Hate 10-20-2014 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ram29jackson (Post 11033843)
they'll change the rules again after he leaves and no one will get it for a long time till it serves a purpose for the league somehow

That I doubt. League loves pimping records.

Hootie 10-20-2014 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ram29jackson (Post 11033843)
they'll change the rules again after he leaves and no one will get it for a long time till it serves a purpose for the league somehow

For sure. They'll outlaw the forward pass as soon as he retires.

Sweet Daddy Hate 10-20-2014 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11033872)
For sure. They'll outlaw the forward pass as soon as he retires.

ROFL

007 10-20-2014 02:52 PM

It won't be a Chiefs QB so who gives a ****?

saphojunkie 10-20-2014 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco (Post 11032994)
They haven't "changed" a single rule. All they did was enforce the rule they already had.

You're a ****ing idiot.

Sweet Daddy Hate 10-20-2014 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guru (Post 11033885)
It won't be a Chiefs QB so who gives a ****?

Andy's WCO won't live forever. There's hope.

MagicHef 10-20-2014 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRichard (Post 11033638)
I also think they changed the push out of bounds as well??? Changes about hitting the QB. Sliding rules for QB. There has been a ton of changes to rules to make it so QBs can play "better".

The push out rule change actually benefits the defense.

J Diddy 10-20-2014 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guru (Post 11033885)
It won't be a Chiefs QB so who gives a ****?

Not unless we trade a 1st round draft pick for him 2 years after he should have retired.

cmh6476 10-20-2014 03:03 PM

Chiefs QBOTF yet to be determined

bowener 10-20-2014 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 11032854)
Manning is kind of the perfect storm. You have clearly one of the greatest QBs ever, and you put him on a team that plays in a dome, let him start from day one, and on a team that focuses their offense around the pass. He plays with the same great receivers for most of his career and is one of the most remarkably durable quarterbacks in history.

It's hard to picture any active player being able to do those things.

Except for the guy they replaced him with.

It will be Luck. QBs are touched less (it seems), and the league rules have changed and will continue to change in favor of passing and scoring. In 5 years time, 40 TDs will be much more common a number to see for top tier QBs, while the great ones push 50. Obviously that shit will add up quickly for a guy like Luck who will play 15 years (barring a terrible injury of course).

Sweet Daddy Hate 10-20-2014 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmh6476 (Post 11033922)
Chiefs QBOTF yet to be determined

When does the future begin, please?

bowener 10-20-2014 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 11032854)
Manning is kind of the perfect storm. You have clearly one of the greatest QBs ever, and you put him on a team that plays in a dome, let him start from day one, and on a team that focuses their offense around the pass. He plays with the same great receivers for most of his career and is one of the most remarkably durable quarterbacks in history.

It's hard to picture any active player being able to do those things.

Except for the guy they replaced him with.

In 5 years top tier QBs will throw 40 TDs a season regularly, while the greats will near 50. Obviously that will add up quickly. QBs also seem to get hit much less, which means a star like Luck will be able to play for 15+ seasons.

Sweet Daddy Hate 10-20-2014 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bowener (Post 11033955)
Except for the guy they replaced him with.

In 5 years top tier QBs will throw 40 TDs a season regularly, while the greats will near 50. Obviously that will add up quickly. QBs also seem to get hit much less, which means a star like Luck will be able to play for 15+ seasons.

KC better find itself a star, and right damned quick.

Eureka 10-20-2014 03:46 PM

Carr! You heard it here first!

vailpass 10-20-2014 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRichard (Post 11033762)
After reading that again I don't know how I thought that was ok. ROFL I think I had a small stroke.

:)

Eureka 10-20-2014 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 505 Chief (Post 11033969)
KC better find itself a star, and right damned quick.

Smith isn't a star?

Crying Ramtard 10-20-2014 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11033872)
For sure. They'll outlaw the forward pass as soon as he retires.

simple minded people are so amusing.

they can subtly alter a few rules that just keep a few guys from not quite getting all those passing TDs and yards that he has and no matter how close they get,still wont pass him.

besides, it might be another 16 years anyway and none of us will care by then

Hootie 10-20-2014 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ram29jackson (Post 11034080)
simple minded people are so amusing.

they can subtly alter a few rules that just keep a few guys from not quite getting all those passing TDs and yards that he has and no matter how close they get,still wont pass him.

besides, it might be another 16 years anyway and none of us will care by then

You truly are a simpleton

Sweet Daddy Hate 10-20-2014 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eureka (Post 11034064)
Smith isn't a star?

OMG YOU'RE RIGHT WHAT WAS I THINKING?!?!?!?

Mile High Mania 10-20-2014 05:19 PM

So, Matt Ryan is 29 and currently 344 shy of 510.

Ryan would have to average 34 TDs a year for the next 10 years (39 yrs old) to reach 510.

Next.


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