Should the NFL overtime rules be changed?
 

Forehead did not seem pleased.....


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The winner of a classic football game should never be determined by pure, dumb luck.
Unlike the Super Bowl, the only difference Sunday between the Broncos and Seattle was a flip of the coin. “We felt like we were the better team,” Broncos defensive tackle Terrance Knighton said.

Not to take anything away from the Seahawks’ 26-20 overtime victory against Denver, but if there’s anything we’ve learned from the NFL of late, it’s this: What’s fair got to do with anything in this league? And the more the rules change, the less we trust that justice is truly being served.

After Denver rallied from a 14-point deficit in the fourth quarter on the road in the NFL’s rowdiest stadium, the silence of stunned Seahawks fans was deafening as quarterback Peyton Manning represented the Broncos on the coin flip to determine which team would get the football to begin overtime.
Manning called tails.
The Seahawks won.
NFL overtime rules are stupid.

“It puts a premium on the coin toss,” Manning said. “I called tails at the beginning of the game, and went with it again in overtime. It was heads, and it proved to be a significant call. But that’s the way it is. And you’d like to not leave it to that, leave it to get to that situation.”
Manning was forced to stand and watch as Seattle marched 80 yards for a touchdown on the opening possession of overtime. No doubt, Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson was fantastic on the game-winning drive. When a fierce 6-yard run by Marshawn Lynch gave sudden death to Denver’s remarkable comeback, Broncos linebacker Nate Irving and his defensive teammates were so emotionally stunned their feet no longer seemed to work. They stood near the goal line, nobody wanting to go home.
Did this qualify as a moral victory after the 43-8 blowout in the Super Bowl? Knighton certainly didn’t want a juice box and a condescending pat on the head. “You either win or you lose ... We’re not saying, ‘At least the score is better than the Super Bowl’ or anything like that,” Knighton insisted.

Manning has become known in Denver, thanks to imaginative T-shirt makers and excitable fans, as PFM. Maybe I’ve finally figured out what those three letters mean: Pray for miracles.
In the hands of Manning, miracles happen.
While the NFL’s most beautiful mind was stumped by the Seahawks for the vast majority of four quarters and Denver’s offensive game plan appeared so simplistic you might have wondered if it had been written in crayon, Manning willed the Broncos 80 yards in the final 59 seconds of the fourth quarter to tie the game, despite the hindrance of no timeouts to stop the clock.

Manning hit a wide-open Jacob Tamme with a 26-yard pass for the touchdown, then found Demaryius Thomas against Seattle cornerback Richard Sherman to convert the essential two points after the TD.
Prayer answered.

“That’s what makes him Peyton Manning,” said Wilson, with obvious respect for one of the NFL’s elder statesmen. “That’s what makes him one of the best quarterbacks ever to play the game.”

Then, however, Manning was forced to sit and watch overtime. Maybe NFL commissioner Roger Goodell should have bought Manning a pretzel and beer. In 2012, the league amended its overtime rules to allow each team to possess the ball at least once in the extra period, unless a touchdown is scored on the opening drive by the lucky bums who win the coin flip.
That’s stupid. Let’s simplify the rules: If the teams have fought into an overtime, haven’t both teams earned the right to touch the football at least once?

Yes, Tim Tebow gave Denver fans one of the biggest playoff thrills in franchise history by beating Pittsburgh in overtime on an 80-yard bolt from the blue.
But has Hollywood ever required Denzel Washington or Harrison Ford to sit out the last reel when things got dicey and the audience prayed for a miracle from the movie’s hero?
“We’re not going to change the rules,” said Broncos cornerback Chris Harris Jr. “But I would’ve liked our chances if we got our ‘O’ back out there.”
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I thought the last time they changed it was because this happened to him...or maybe it was Favre. Can't remember.

Here's an idea, play defense. But we wouldn't want to do that.

No! I liked how that played out. You hold them to a FG you have a chance to win. They shove it down their throat, you win.

Awesome end of that game.

No, Fivehead should just stop being a choking pussy and their defense shouldn't have shat the bed. That holding-aided last drive in regulation doesn't erase all the ducks Fivehead threw or that interception.

I'm sure Goodell will change the rule, though, because he loves the cheating Donks.

I honestly don't know why they can't play a shortened period with none of this sudden death shit.

What?

No. Absolutely not. The current overtime rules are perfect.

Did you not see?

Peyton Manning didn't get to touch the ball.

They have to change the rules for the Golden Boy.

The Broncos lost, right? Don't change a thing.

So, one team scores a TD, then the other team scores a TD.

Do you go to sudden death then, or do you still keep giving chances?

But Peyton didn't get the ball, so that's going to fuel change.

They are crying a ****ing river at the Mange right now over this.


Nobody was bitching when Tebow bombed Thomas in OT against Pitt a few years ago.

Surprised the NFL didn't change the rule right after Lynch scored.

It was dumb luck that Seattle fist-raped the Donks on the 80 yard drive?


ROFL

Is that five-head manning crying? LOL

Do it like college or **** off with the changes

Oh, Hell No!

The college rules suck.

No. The OT rules did need to be changed when a FG could win, but this is not a Field Goal. If you can't stop a TD, then you should lose.

The current NFL OT rules are perfect. If anything, college should change to the NFL OT rules.

Imo it should be changed.

One possesion guaranteed. You can match the touchdown, but after that, a FG can win it. Defensive TD or safety still end the game immediately though. I think it would lead to some amazing, fair endings, if a team knows they have to get in the endzone to tie.

I wouldn't mind a change where they put the ball at midfield, put all 53 players onto the field from both teams, and there's only one rule. Whoever puts the ball across the other team's goal line wins. It may take a few days to have a winner, but it would be very entertaining.

"No doubt, Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson was fantastic on the game-winning drive."


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I'd rather they had never introduced OT in regular season games.

They've already been changed. Want your shit, hold them to a field goal.

Why are both teams entitled to a possession? They played 4 full quarters and had plenty of chances to score again. This is a tie where neither team is really entitled to a win, and we just need a reasonable way to break the tie.

It seemed cheap when a coinflip-FG could win it, but if you can't stop a TD, then thats good enough for me to declare a winner.

I thought I read somewhere that Goodell was considering switching overtime to a punt, pass, and kick contest.

You should be able to win with a field goal, so long as the other team has a chance to play offense at least once.

I'm definitely against using the college rules in the pros. I think the players are too good. Imagine the first time you had a 69-63 six OT game. At least what they do now is exactly what they do during the actual regulation period.

You could also put both offenses and both defenses out on the field simultaneously. Two balls, two kickoffs, and the first team that scores wins.

That would actually be really interesting to watch.

Denver should have won that game. Either call it a tie at the end of regulation or let both teams have the ball.

What I saw this afternoon was a travesty.

This is exactly why the NFL would never adopt the NCAA rule.

That doesn't happen so much anymore as now you have to go for TDs after like the 2nd round or something.

Why?!?!?

The OT rules are not brand-new.

There is nothing wrong with the OT rules, Denver did NOT deserve a possession, it was NOT a travesty, and Seattle won the game.

No Denver should not have won that game.

Travesty?

LMAO

Bitch.

Maybe we could leave the overtime rules the way they are, but the coaches and players switch roles. It would be cool to see Emmitt Thomas play cornerback again.

Although the way the NFL is trending, maybe that's what they want.

Seriously though... a side effect of going to college OT rules would be the destruction of fantasy football. Imagine the first time some dude lost a thousand bucks because his defense allowed 42 points in a double OT game.

How about each teams kicker kicks 5 field goals from the 50 and whoever makes the most wins? Great idea, huh huh?

So if this rule ever fires back on the Chiefs, at home, in a playoff loss, I'll be sure to say "We did NOT deserve a possession!"

No, you have to go for a 2 point conversion starting with the 3rd OT. You can kick FGs on any possession. That's always been the case.

I just looked. Seattle had 10 drives in regulation. Out of those 10 drives, Denver's defense was able to prevent a touchdown 8 times.

We're not talking about an impossible task here. Under the old rules, the coinflip-FG was annoying, but a coinflip-TD should not be something we should be worried about.

If Denver's defense fails to do something they did 8 out of 10 times, they deserve to lose without a possession.

If you let someone ram it down your throat with the game on the line, then no, you don't. Losing by a FG could be considered cheap, but not a TD.

yeah, **** those whiners. who cares? It's a coin toss, now get out there and stop them.

We can't make rules based on what happened to your own team recently.

Touchdowns are not so incredibly damned hard to stop that we need to expect that the poor overmatched defense is incapable of preventing it. The current OT rules are objectively fine as they are, regardless of who they help or hurt next week or any week.

Technically that is exactly what the Broncos did to the Seahawks right before they went into overtime. So...

True, but sometimes both defenses are terrible, so the team that wins the toss has a better chance to win.

How long have you been watching football?

In the not so distant past the Seahawks would have started centering the ball on the field around the 30 yard line for a field goal.

You sound like a sniveling child.

Are u ever right? Turd.

What does this even mean? Yeah they did, and they had to go to OT because of it. The Seahawks paid the price for their poor play. As did the Broncos.

Play two, 6-minute quarters with a 25-second playclock. Each team gets to start with the ball first. Solved.

I'm not interested in going out of our way with a longer OT to make the coin toss meaningless. It used to be a huge advantage to win. Now its only a small advantage, thats good enough for me.

If this happens I will agree with you.
We would not deserve to win or touch the ball.

Looking at this objectively the fact remains getting the ball first is still an advantage. An advantage gained through nothing but pure luck via coin toss.

Cool. Maybe Fivehead shouldn't have waited until the last drive of regulation to stop throwing ducks (blatant uncalled holding by his O-line notwithstanding).

Your argument was if you can ram it down the oppositions throat and score a touchdown while the game is on the line, you deserve another possession.

I'm saying the Broncos technically did just that.

Do you want the coin toss to be COMPLETELY meaningless?

That is basically impossible. So right away, you'd have to concede that you aren't looking for it to be meaningless, but just a small advantage. How small is small enough to be acceptable?

I believe the coinflip-FG under the old rules made the winner have an unnacceptably-large advantage, but the coin-flip TD and the new rules have dramatically reduced the advantage to the point where its acceptably-small.

Longer OT is not free, there is a cost to having more possessions. We ideally want to keep the game to 4 quarters, but we don't like ties, so we had sudden-death OT. We hated coin-flip FG so much that we extended OT just a little more to get rid of them.

The goal is not to make OT as fair as possible, if you are in OT, you don't deserve completely-fair. The goal is to keep OT short enough that we can live with the results.

It's not an advantage if the other team's defense is stronger than your offense, or if your defense is stronger than the other team's offense.

Granted, though, that the modern rules give offenses all sorts of advantages over defenses, so that's a factor.

Get raped, Manning. We got ****ed even worse during the Vermeil years when teams would win the toss, kick a field goal, and call it good. You at least get to make them score a TD.

Quit yer bitchin and yell at your teammates on defense if it pisses you off that bad.

Denver was lucky to even go to overtime. Don't get shit pushed in on defense and jug head would a had a shot

We held teams to field goals in those years? I didn't remember that.

you saw that too? that ****er lives off ref calls and now whines about a coin toss? he should've called tails, what a ****er.

Yes, there's absolutely no reason a coin toss should have such a large impact on the game.

I guess we can agree to disagree then.

Most importantly the better team won. Holy shit sooooo many ducks.

Again the BETTER TEAM WON

agreed

Goodell will change the rules so both teams get 1 possession unless the first TD is from a Manning.

Hilarious. I bet that they change the rules during this coming off-season just to coddle Manning some more. Don't want the game to be decided by a "lucky flip" in overtime? Then win the ****ing game in regulation.

the over and under has to be somewhat managable to vegas

Yes, and the easiest way to nullify these advantages is to simply have two possessions.

I just don't understand why everyone is so butt hurt over adding one extra possession. It's like I'm advocating genocide over here, what in the **** is getting everyone so riled up for? Fairer results are some how frowned upon?

Yeah, but it still doesn't make sense. One happened during regulation, the other happened during OT. I never said if you allow a TD during regulation you deserve to lose the game.

You are never going to make it 100% fair. A team with a great offense can win the coin flip at the beginning of the game, go down and score and take the lead, and be playing from an advantageous position for the rest of the game. I've always argued as much as we argue about stuff on here, sometimes things come down to flat luck.

How were the results unfair in any way? Did the Donks not have the opportunity to try to stop Seattle's offense? Hell, they didn't even need to get a stop, they could have even just forced them to settle for 3. Instead they let Seattle drive 80 yards for a touchdown. They deserved to lose.

****ing ESPN saying 'new rules put extra emphasis on coin toss,' then go to forehead presser where he puts the OT loss on choosing the coin toss poorly.


Transparent.

Manning choked the coin toss.

/sorry if Q

Yep. The Manning Rule was created because of this game.

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Instead of guaranteed possessions why not just play a 10 minute quarter.

why not just let payton have the ball, or get 2 flips. That way errbody happy.

seattletimes.com doesn't sound like a satire site, but in all honesty, are they serious?

People whined (rightfully so) about the overtime rules for years and years, and the league finally got it right. Now we're going to whine some more? Was Denver's defense not aware of the overtime rules going in?

Or why not just leave the rules like they are now, since they're perfect?

Just a suggestion. The NBA does an extra quarter and nobody seems to complain.

And nobody complains about MLB doing extra innings either.

Just a thought.



Penalty Kicks?

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I wouldn't do penalty kicks because they do that in the mls and it seems to suck.

only if that involves Dorsey's crotch