7 Chiefs Roster Questions before the next round of cuts
 

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1. What happens with the backup quarterbacks?

Two thoughts from me:

1.) It would be a surprise if the Chiefs kept four quarterbacks;

2.) It would be a surprise if any of these quarterbacks were cut.

I feel fairly confident in both those statements but it doesn't get as any closer to answering the question. I keep coming back to this: The Chiefs drafted Aaron Murray three months ago so they surely had a plan for this situation.

Oh, and I think it would be a surprise if the Chiefs parted ways with Chase Daniel.

2. Will the Chiefs actually keep two kickers?

Nah, the Chiefs aren't going to keep two kickers. That would be very unusual. I believe this is more about trading one of them. The thing is, the Chiefs could keep two kickers on the roster after they make their cuts this weekend and wait for someone to call before Week 1. That's a possibility. But I don't see them carrying two kickers into the regular season.

3. Who is the third (fourth?) tackle?

A couple things factor into this. The Chiefs will need an extra tackle during the first month of the season to account for Donald Stephenson's suspension. You also have to account for Jeff Allen's ability to play tackle in emergency situations. Eric Fisher is the only lock (besides Stephenson) to make it. Ryan Harris looks like the top candidate for the third tackle.

4. How does Joe Mays' injury factor in?

His injury will keep him out "for a while", according to Andy Reid. That leaves the starting inside linebacker job open. I'm guessing this will be multiple weeks of action or more. Josh Mauga, who was signed this offseason, and Nico Johnson, a 2013 fourth round pick, are vying for the job. Perhaps in a sign they're still tinkering, the Chiefs played Frank Zombo some at inside linebacker recently.

5. How many offensive linemen do the Chiefs keep?

I would put the range at 8-10 players. Obviously, the more linemen you keep, the less options you have at other positions. There will be injuries along the line so the Chiefs have to be prepared for that. Is 10 too many? Or do the Chiefs need all the help they can get on the line?

This looks like the starting five: Eric Fisher, Jeff Allen, Rodney Hudson, Zach Fulton, Donald Stephenson

The rest are competing for 3-5 spots, including Jeff Linkenbach, Ricky Henry, Eric Kush, Laurent Duvernay-Tardif, Ryan Harris, J'Marcus Webb, and others.

Obviously, the Chiefs will have to factor in the Donald Stephenson suspension. He will not count against the 53-man roster in the first month of the season. That may force them to keep an extra tackle during the first month of the season.

6. Which young receiver(s) makes the team?

The Chiefs obviously have a need at receiver not just this year but down the line as well. They need young receivers on the roster they can develop. Undrafted receiver Albert Wilson looks like a good bet to make the team. Frankie Hammond spent last season on the practice squad and could be another young receiver to make it. Remember, the Chiefs will have to factor in Dwayne Bowe's suspension as he won't count against the roster in Week 1.

7. Will all the rookies make the team?

There's the Aaron Murray question which, as noted above, we don't know have any idea how the Chiefs will handle. Sixth round pick Zach Fulton is a likely starter so he's going to make it. Then there's Laurent Duvernay-Tardif, who has been mostly at guard in his Chiefs career. Would he be safe on the practice squad? That could be a debate the Chiefs having now.

The higher picks -- Dee Ford, Phillip Gaines and De'Anthony Thomas -- are all going to make it.

Am I missing something? Why didn't the article mention JMJ as a possible starter in Mays absence?

Keeping Santos will save the team money over Succopp. The QB situation is the only one that I give a shit about. I would keep all 4. Bray and Murray are both too talented to let slip away. I would develop them one more season.

If we keep 2 kickers I will hurt someone.

Trade Santos to Miami.

Fixed that for you.

Would Bray last on the practice squad? I highly doubt Murray would. I don't believe they keep four on the active roster.

With the way he team has looked thus far and our schedule, what do you gain by keeping Daniel or Succop?

Get rid of\trade both of them.

Daniel is what Daniel is going to be while Bray and Murray both still have upside to them and neither will clear waivers.

Succop on the other hand is a kicker that costs too much $

I would be highly surprised if Daniel is cut/traded. I think Bray will end up being released before Daniel is.

I'd be fine with Succop being traded. Miami really needs a kicker, so ship Santos or Succop over.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Chase will play the first quarter Thursday. Bray and Murray will split the rest of the snaps.</p>&mdash; Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/TerezPaylor/statuses/504331938136858628">August 26, 2014</a></blockquote>
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I see no benefit in keeping either Daniel or Succop.

Was just about to post that. I think that pretty much gaurntees that Daniel will be on this team.

Maybe Murray will go down with an " season ending injury" Thursday night.

Succop is better at kickoffs, while I'd love to go cheap, he's the guy.

As for Daniel, I'd cut his ass. Look, we are going into the shitter if/once Alex goes down. Might as well let the young kids play.

History says Alex Smith will get hurt at some point in the season. Its been pretty rare for him to last all 16. Daniel will be forced to play and we will have our normal 3 QB rotation.

so we have problem areas all over the place but can still make room for 4 QBs and 2 kickers?


sounds stupid

We are the chiefs afterall

So it would surprise him if the Chiefs kept 4 QBs, cut any of them, and parting ways with Daniel.

So I guess he thinks the Chiefs are getting trade offers for Bray or Murray?

I don't think Succup has a stronger leg. I believe Santos was being looked at to see if he could kick to spots and also to look at players on special teams. Succups leg is just got enough in right conditions to drive it 6 yards deep. Problem is teams take it out routinely now 8 deep. Santos I think has an out of end zone leg. Either one if Miami doesn't snap one up Denver might with Prather suspended and saucing.

I don't think Santos would have any trade value. Succop might get a 7th rounder as well as a cap savings, so that makes sense.

I wonder if one of the QB's will get "injured" Thursday night and end up on IR.

I also think the team is a high candidate to make some sort of move (trade/waiver claim) on OL, although we don't have an optimal spot to pick from this year.

I think LDT ends up on the PS. The other rookies should make it.

Agree Succop has a better kick off.

He didn't kick it out of the end zone when we played the panthers.

Succop had something like 42 touchbacks last year, good for 9th in the league.

Trade Alex Smith and Eric Fisher to Houston for Duane Brown.

How many of those touchbacks came late in the year when the cold weather hit?

Who knows? I'm guessing more than 23 other teams kickers.

Hard to say all the reporters in camp say its very close but that Santos is most likely the guy so who knows. I do know when Succup drives it its always low and if it isn't deep the usually get good field position.

Murry's gal moved to KC to take a job at Channel 41 last week. I'm thinking there must have been some logical reasoning that went into that decision with the final two cutdowns coming in the very near future to that said move.

May as well pick some names out of a ****ing hat.

not necessarily, just because he was 9th overall doesn't mean it was 9th all year

seems to me like Succops power drops off dramatically when the cold hits

more than many other quality kickers

why doesn't that matter?

Because the kicks become more important late in the year when it's cold.

It also seems like if you ask Succop to kick several times close together his kick length drops a lot.

fieldgoal
kickoff
defensive int
fieldgoal
kickoff

4 kicks pretty close together and the 2nd fieldgoal and kickoff aren't going to be nearly as good. Seems like it anyway.

I doubt Bray makes this team. He had a year to learn the playbook and failed. He has rocks in his head.

Really? I think the Bray ship has sailed and wouldn't be surprised if he were cut.

I've seen enough of him already to decide that he isn't the QBOTF. Every time he steps onto the field he turns the ball over. Game after game he's a disappointment.

I'd love to see you learn an NFL playbook in a year.

after only 2 offseasons?

Aaron Rodger scoffs at such a notion.

Aaron Rodgers didn't come out every preseason game and shit the bed. QB's all over the NFL come out and display their ability w/o being a clumsy turnover machine in just as little time.

Don't make excuses for Bray. Thus far, he's been the least effective QB on our roster this preseason.

So far the only thing Bray has demonstrated is that he has a nice arm.

He has yet to show that he's capable of being an NFL QB. Drive after drive ends in a thud with that kid.

I was holding out hope just as much as the next guy but he's had more than enough chances to prove that he can be a stud and he's failed on nearly every drive he's had.

Don't make excuses for him. We've seen his kind come and go every year in the NFL.

Failed on every drive? Not true.

Stopped watching the Vikings game early on, eh?

Not making excuses at all.

I just don't think the Chiefs are going to give up on a guy that quickly unless they don't see potential in practice. If he shows promise during practice etc then i think he get more time.

Honestly i'm more worried about the fact that Dee Ford looks like shit. I would hope a 1st round pick would be more NFL ready.

Nearly every drive.

He just hasn't shown much of anything imo. Not enough to say to that he deserves a roster spot with any sort of conviction.

He must've done something magical in the last half of the 4th, because that's when i shut it down.

He probably doesn't deserve a roster spot on a team like the Packers, but the Chiefs have ****ing Chase Daniel and Aaron Murray as backups.

He went 7/7 on the final drive of the game to score the only TD.

It's hard to say. Im no longer holding out hope that he will be the QBoTF. I just don't see it. He hasn't done anything yet to separate himself from any other 3rd string QB in the NFL.

other than wear a Chiefs uniform?

Cause otherwise he is the typical yard bird trash we see year in and out that a
few CP monkeys latch on to their dicks and start swinging....

There is no point keeping 4 QBs. Bray has been a disappointment. I still think Murray gets hurt Thursday night.

Starting to look like the second year in a row Dorsey spent his first round pick on a combine warrior/athlete who is not ready to play his position yet.

I thought i read somewhere that he doesn't even need to get hurt. His injury from College qualifies him for IR.

Ford was a 1 trick pony (and limited at that) at Auburn. What did you expect?

A better GM.

I wonder if they will keep five safeties? I think they will because they will want Berry off special teams. They will miss him there and McCray is a special teams stud.

Berry
Abdullah
Sorenson
Bronson
McCray

This year is great for Dorsey's evaluation. No free agents to hide behind. Just the guys he brought in. Time for them to step up.

Eric just chuckled...

that should give you some idea as to how bad Bray is

If Sorenson is the third best safety on this roster, then we are in terrible shape.

I know you didn't just compare an UDFA to a player not only taken in the first, but was considered to be worthy of the #1 overall.

Can we put Mays on the IR or PUP with a designation to return?

yea, that was the point.

****head

Well Aaron was playing behind Brett Favre and didn't look like shit. If it were not for Favre and his indecision about retirement Rodgers would have been in there sooner.

Bray still has not shown anything past the fact that he has a great arm. How long will it take for Bray to show his worth of a roster spot. Teams don't generally hold on to UDFAs.

When the talent at "all over the place" sucks weinerschintzel overall, why not?

Bray would be better suited in a traditional vertical offense.

Ergo, because....Chiefs.

I think Bray is going to be cut.

FYP

Bye bye, Bray Bray. So long, goin' long.

I have to agree, Bray is going down the road.

I'm guessing there's a good chance that happens. It can be used as soon as September 2nd. They don't have to use it right away. I think last year teams used it up until mid season. Only get to use it once though. Not sure if they could use it on comings or not. I think they could. The 9ers will use it on Dorsey and he's been hurt awhile

I also expect catapanno to go on the non football injury/illness list. Not totally sure but I think he could come off that at any time too.

Yeah we already put Commings on IR. That was part of our moves to get to 75.

Yep I gotcha i'm just wondering if they wanted to they could designate him the return player since they've already placed him on IR. Its a new rule just not sure on the full details

The coaches number one comment about Bray right now is how much better he is with the playbook. It seems like a big topic all around the league that a lot of spread QB's aren't ready to understand an NFL playbook. Sometimes coaches spew fluff, but it seems like they really are happy with Bray's progress with the playbook.

I haven't given up on him yet. But whether we agree or not, I am not sure why the Chiefs would cut him so early. When they signed him they knew he was a project. If you take on a project, I don't think its really wise to give them one year and then cut them. A lot of guys don't progress in straight lines. Now to be fair he was signed as an UDFA so that does make it easier to see them giving up early.

I do agree with the article, I don't see them keeping 4 but I also can't see them cutting any of them. I agree with a lot of you that we might as well move on from Daniel. If we were a SB threat I would be fine keeping him, but if he is coming in where can this team really get? I don't think its worth letting one of these kids go to keep a "decent" backup for this particular season.

Imagine Bray behind this line. Wow.

No thanks

Bray didn't play in a spread offense in college.

Jim Chaney ran a pro-style offense at Tennessee; he's a former spread guy who was heavily influenced by his time in the NFL and made major, major changes to his offensive philosophy.

Bray is nothing special. AT ALL. Cut that leg off and move on.

Let Reid and Dorsey do the cutting and pray to God we can get to 8-8. Seems very unlikely.

These statements are being said to ease the cut that is coming. ;)

Good lord, you are a ****ing moron.

What's the point of hoping for 8-8? If we're not going to make the playoffs then we should be hoping to completely suck so we can pick high again.

8-8 would be a success imo. When was the last time we went two years without a losing season? It would be a step in the right direction with this schedule. Anything worse will be a disappointment. Anything better will be awesome.

Can we get a OL or S for Bray?

So we are already moving on from a Bray's good performance in last year's 4th preseason game, after one shitty half game? Because if that's the case, I don't want to hear any more bullshit about Alex's "brilliant" playoff game last year since we are all about living in the now. I guess we can also excuse Chase's abortion of training camp.

Bray sucks. He sucked at Tennessee and he sucked in Kansas City. If he wasn't playing against 3rd string future arena league players then he sucked. It is what it is. He had his chance and he failed. He was a long shot at best.