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alnorth 08-26-2014 10:39 AM

*** Official Minnesota Twins @ Kansas City Royals Game Thread (8/26) ***
 
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<tr><td>Final</td> <td> 1 </td> <td> 2 </td><td> 3 </td><td> 4 </td><td> 5 </td><td> 6 </td><td> 7 </td><td> 8 </td><td> 9 </td><td> R </td><td> H </td><td> E </td></tr>
<tr> <td> MIN (58-73) </td> <td> 0 </td> <td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 1 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 1 </td><td> 5 </td><td> 0 </td></tr>
<tr> <td> KC (73-58) </td> <td> 0 </td> <td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 2 </td><td> 2 </td><td> 5 </td><td> 0 </td></tr>
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Ricky Nolasco 7IP 0R 0ER 1BB 6K
Hold, (13) Jared Burton 1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 2K
Blown Save, (5); Loss, (3-1) Glen Perkins 0IP 2R 2ER 0BB 0K 1HR

VS.

http://mlb.mlb.com/images/logos/80x80/kc.png

Danny Duffy 6⅔IP 1R 1ER 2BB 4K
Kelvin Herrera 1⅓IP 0R 0ER 0BB 2K
Win, (7-2) Wade Davis 1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 0K

Home Runs

MIN

none

KC

Alex Gordon, (16) - Bottom 9th 2-run walk-off homer to right

Other Relevant Games

Final: TB 2, BAL 4
Final: NYY 2, DET 5
9:10 pm, TEX @ SEA

Starting Lineups

MIN

1. Danny Santana, CF
2. Brian Dozier, 2B
3. Joe Mauer, 1B
4. Kennys Vargas, DH
5. Oswaldo Arcia, RF
6. Trevor Plouffe, 3B
7. Kurt Suzuki, C
8. Eduardo Escobar, SS
9. Jordan Schafer, LF

KC

1. Jarrod Dyson, CF
2. Alcides Escobar, SS
3. Alex Gordon, LF
4. Billy Butler, 1B
5. Salvador Perez, C
6. Josh Willingham, DH
7. Mike Moustakas, 3B
8. Lorenzo Cain, RF
9. Christian Colon, 2B

alnorth 08-26-2014 10:43 AM

Why is Raul Ibanez still on our roster?

I understand why we picked him up, we were desperate for a bat and hoped he could turn it around late, but now we have Willingham. There is no reason why Ibanez should be starting.

Bruiser 08-26-2014 10:43 AM

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TimBone 08-26-2014 11:06 AM

Best game thread starter EVAR.

WhawhaWhat 08-26-2014 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 10850584)
Why is Raul Ibanez still on our roster?

I understand why we picked him up, we were desperate for a bat and hoped he could turn it around late, but now we have Willingham. There is no reason why Ibanez should be starting.

Holding Hosmer's spot.

Prison Bitch 08-26-2014 11:07 AM

Raul should be cut but he can wait I guess until FauxHawk returns

ChiTown 08-26-2014 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 10850584)
Why is Raul Ibanez still on our roster?

I understand why we picked him up, we were desperate for a bat and hoped he could turn it around late, but now we have Willingham. There is no reason why Ibanez should be starting.

You are late to that argument:D

I feel ya, Brother. I do.

Unsmooth-Moment 08-26-2014 11:10 AM

Yeah Willingham should be starting every game.

Sure-Oz 08-26-2014 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 10850584)
Why is Raul Ibanez still on our roster?

I understand why we picked him up, we were desperate for a bat and hoped he could turn it around late, but now we have Willingham. There is no reason why Ibanez should be starting.

Amazes me that Ned really started him 2 games over Willingham

ChiefsCountry 08-26-2014 11:15 AM

Ibanez will be here the rest of the season, especially since its close to the September call up time. He should only be used if he has the splits that warrant him being played ie if he is known to rake against a certain pitcher. I think he has had a presence in the clubhouse though.

ChiTown 08-26-2014 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 10850630)
Amazes me that Ned really started him 2 games over Willingham

2 consecutive games in which we lost, and scored a combined 2 ****ing runs! Ned needs to stop over-thinking the righty lefty shit with Ibanez and just play Willingham. If he wants to PH Ibanez against a Righty late in the game, fine. But, enough of this shit already. FFS

Prison Bitch 08-26-2014 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 10850640)
2 consecutive games in which we lost, and scored a combined 2 ****ing runs! Ned needs to stop over-thinking the righty lefty shit with Ibanez and just play Willingham. If he wants to PH Ibanez against a Righty late in the game, fine. But, enough of this shit already. FFS

They both went 0-2 yesterday to be fair

ChiTown 08-26-2014 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 10850654)
They both went 0-2 yesterday to be fair

Don't care. Willingham has been swinging a productive bat. He needs to play and Ibanez needs more time on the bench.

Prison Bitch 08-26-2014 12:02 PM

Gotcha. For a moment I thought you were blaming Raul for the offense yesterday despite going 0-2 like Josh also did

Bufkin 08-26-2014 12:03 PM

Ricky Nolasco is really shitty. Chances are, he's throwing a shutout.

alnorth 08-26-2014 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bufkin (Post 10850737)
Ricky Nolasco is really shitty. Chances are, he's throwing a shutout.

I'm wondering how he even won 5 games with those stats.

Yet another data point against the pitcher win stat.

TLO 08-26-2014 12:11 PM

On paper, this should be a rout.

That's what's so great about baseball though.

TLO 08-26-2014 12:14 PM

I see that the Royals are -172 for tonights game. Does that mean someone would have to bet $172 to win $100?

Also, doesn't that make us a pretty heavy favorite?

alnorth 08-26-2014 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Smoke (Post 10850763)
I see that the Royals are -172 for tonights game. Does that mean someone would have to bet $172 to win $100?

Also, doesn't that make us a pretty heavy favorite?

Yes. In baseball, that is freaking enormous.

Molitoth 08-26-2014 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Smoke (Post 10850763)
I see that the Royals are -172 for tonights game. Does that mean someone would have to bet $172 to win $100?

Also, doesn't that make us a pretty heavy favorite?

Never underestimate the Twins against the Royals. =(

CaliforniaChief 08-26-2014 12:55 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Nuclear Seasons Lineup: Dyson 8, Escobar 6, Gordon 7, Butler 3, Perez 2, Willingham DH, Moustakas 5, Cain 9, Colon 4, Duffy 1. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/royals?src=hash">#royals</a></p>&mdash; Andy McCullough (@McCulloughStar) <a href="https://twitter.com/McCulloughStar/statuses/504340041108578304">August 26, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Unsmooth-Moment 08-26-2014 12:58 PM

Colon sighting.

alnorth 08-26-2014 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 10850831)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Nuclear Seasons Lineup: Dyson 8, Escobar 6, Gordon 7, Butler 3, Perez 2, Willingham DH, Moustakas 5, Cain 9, Colon 4, Duffy 1. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/royals?src=hash">#royals</a></p>&mdash; Andy McCullough (@McCulloughStar) <a href="https://twitter.com/McCulloughStar/statuses/504340041108578304">August 26, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Done, sold. Lets run this lineup out there every night for the rest of the year, with the occasional off-day for Salvy.

edit: maybe flip Colon and Escobar

Unsmooth-Moment 08-26-2014 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 10850843)
Done, sold. Lets run this lineup out there every night for the rest of the year, with the occasional off-day for Salvy.

edit: maybe flip Colon and Escobar

I like it. Let Aoki play vs. Lefties in RF. But this is a good lineup.

CaliforniaChief 08-26-2014 01:04 PM

Yeah I like this lineup, other than Escobar at 2. I'm with Al. Colon has showed good patience and ability as a #2 hitter, IMO.

When Hosmer comes back, I'd think about a platoon with Aoki and Willingham. No question he's a step up over Josh defensively, but Willingham's bat...I think we're going to need it.

Having Salvy, Butler, Gordon, Hosmer, and Willingham in the same lineup has some potential.

Anyong Bluth 08-26-2014 01:21 PM

Time to get back on track. Hopefully, Willingham can punish his old club and we can sweep these chumps!

ROYC75 08-26-2014 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 10850637)
Ibanez will be here the rest of the season, especially since its close to the September call up time. He should only be used if he has the splits that warrant him being played ie if he is known to rake against a certain pitcher. I think he has had a presence in the clubhouse though.

All of this, some of you need to get over yourselves thinking we have no need for a seasoned veteran on the roster!

And yes, Willingham needs to be in the lineup basically every damn day, his presence in the line up is HUGE!

alnorth 08-26-2014 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ROYC75 (Post 10851005)
All of this, some of you need to get over yourselves thinking we have no need for a seasoned veteran on the roster!

And yes, Willingham needs to be in the lineup basically every damn day, his presence in the line up is HUGE!

Ibanez is not a guy who has been here for years and who everyone high-5's on their way into the office. He's been here literally weeks.

The value of his "veteran presence", if such a thing ever has any value with anyone, is basically zero.

ChiTown 08-26-2014 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 10850843)
Done, sold. Lets run this lineup out there every night for the rest of the year, with the occasional off-day for Salvy.

edit: maybe flip Colon and Escobar

As much as we bag on Moose, his D is + at 3B while Colon is not really a 3B, IMO. His arm screams 2B. I think Colon continues to platoon with Moose and Infante against lefties when necessary. Moose's "power" is needed, IMO.

ROYC75 08-26-2014 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 10850831)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Nuclear Seasons Lineup: Dyson 8, Escobar 6, Gordon 7, Butler 3, Perez 2, Willingham DH, Moustakas 5, Cain 9, Colon 4, Duffy 1. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/royals?src=hash">#royals</a></p>&mdash; Andy McCullough (@McCulloughStar) <a href="https://twitter.com/McCulloughStar/statuses/504340041108578304">August 26, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Damn, not bad but I just do not understand why we do not use this lineup ?

Dyson
Gordon
Willingham
Perez
Butler
Mouse
Cain
Esky
Colon

Damn, I may be old, but somebody explain to me why we do not use this. Esky or Cain can use all parts of the field better in the # 2 spot. Gordon has became almost a complete pull hitter now where once before, he used the whole field!

ChiTown 08-26-2014 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ROYC75 (Post 10851005)
All of this, some of you need to get over yourselves thinking we have no need for a seasoned veteran on the roster!

And yes, Willingham needs to be in the lineup basically every damn day, his presence in the line up is HUGE!

Actually none of this. That veteran presence shit is so overrated, and is his value to the team. HE'S GOT TO GO!

ROYC75 08-26-2014 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 10851016)
Ibanez is not a guy who has been here for years and who everyone high-5's on their way into the office. He's been here literally weeks.

The value of his "veteran presence", if such a thing ever has any value with anyone, is basically zero.

We basically agree on everything, but this we simply do not. His LH bat as a PH is what we need at times off the bench or against some pitchers he has a solid history against. His presence in the locker room with younger players who have never been in a playoff chase is very valuable. His call of a players only meeting after only being here for a week caught the attention of the younger players where as it was delivered by a guy that has taken on the role of team leader in the dugout, somebody that who is a player, not a coach, that has been in playoff games and chase's before.

It's called, leadership. Shields has provided it to the younger pitchers. Gordon to the younger players on defense, plus his bat along with Butler. Ibanez has provided it to the role bench & players as well as dugout / locker room.

It is what it is, anybody should be able to see this. Coaches in any sport likes the right mix of veterans & younger players, as well as guys that do the dirty work, guys who lead by example with everything they do.

ROYC75 08-26-2014 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unsmooth-Moment (Post 10850850)
I like it. Let Aoki play vs. Lefties in RF. But this is a good lineup.


Let Willingham play more RF.

ROYC75 08-26-2014 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 10850867)
Yeah I like this lineup, other than Escobar at 2. I'm with Al. Colon has showed good patience and ability as a #2 hitter, IMO.

When Hosmer comes back, I'd think about a platoon with Aoki and Willingham. No question he's a step up over Josh defensively, but Willingham's bat...I think we're going to need it.

Having Salvy, Butler, Gordon, Hosmer, and Willingham in the same lineup has some potential.

No doubt about it, but Willingham needs more plate appearances, no freaking way he should be any lower that 3rd or 4th in the line up.

bsroyals54 08-26-2014 03:10 PM

Finally a lineup I agree with

alnorth 08-26-2014 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ROYC75 (Post 10851082)
It's called, leadership. Shields has provided it to the younger pitchers. Gordon to the younger players on defense, plus his bat along with Butler.

Alternate theory: Young players naturally improve. I do not believe the rest of our starting pitchers would have done worse if Shields was not here. Same with outfield and Gordon.

These guys are just really good players. They are not coaches or mentors who teach others how to play baseball. Cain, Dyson, Duffy, etc are all grown-ass men who have been playing baseball their whole lives.

Mr. Laz 08-26-2014 03:13 PM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bv_TJkvCAAAWJ_i.jpg

bsroyals54 08-26-2014 03:14 PM

How can I see this game besides actually going to the K? Is there a stream?

bsroyals54 08-26-2014 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bsroyals54 (Post 10851224)
How can I see this game besides actually going to the K? Is there a stream?

Never mind, found it on FS1

ChiefsCountry 08-26-2014 03:25 PM

Tonight is a must win, especially with Ventura out tomorrow night.

cmh6476 08-26-2014 03:39 PM

tomorrow's GDT needs to have an oasis flavor to it

ROYC75 08-26-2014 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 10851217)
Alternate theory: Young players naturally improve. I do not believe the rest of our starting pitchers would have done worse if Shields was not here. Same with outfield and Gordon.

These guys are just really good players. They are not coaches or mentors who teach others how to play baseball. Cain, Dyson, Duffy, etc are all grown-ass men who have been playing baseball their whole lives.

Improve, hell yeah, they have to or get shipped out. They have to learn how to not only perform, but to train daily, prepare themselves daily mentally as well. How to take care of themselves, go about the daily non-baseball stuff so that it doesn't interfere with with their performance on the field.

Puppies are wild and radical until they hang out with older dogs!

ROYC75 08-26-2014 03:48 PM

Am I the only one who thinks Willingham should be batting 3rd on the lineup? That batting 6th or 7th is a perfect fit ?

Nuts! Nuts I say, just plain nutty!

ChiTown 08-26-2014 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ROYC75 (Post 10851300)
Improve, hell yeah, they have to or get shipped out. They have to learn how to not only perform, but to train daily, prepare themselves daily mentally as well. How to take care of themselves, go about the daily non-baseball stuff so that it doesn't interfere with with their performance on the field.

Puppies are wild and radical until they hang out with older dogs!

Actually, puppies don't learn how to mellow themselves by hanging out with older dogs, they learn that from their Master's.

ROYC75 08-26-2014 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ROYC75 (Post 10851300)
Improve, hell yeah, they have to or get shipped out. They have to learn how to not only perform, but to train daily, prepare themselves daily mentally as well. How to take care of themselves, go about the daily non-baseball stuff so that it doesn't interfere with with their performance on the field.

Puppies are wild and radical until they hang out with older dogs!


Master Ned ?

Come on now, everybody knows you can teach a new dog a new trick, not so much old dogs, they already know them.;)

Anyong Bluth 08-26-2014 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 10851325)
Actually, puppies don't learn how to mellow themselves by hanging out with older dogs, they learn that from their Master's.

That's a weak comparison, but you're a sharp guy, and you already knew that.

I don't get the ire for having the guy that did call the players only meeting which coincidence or not was right when the club turned it around and got hot.

If he was taking up a spot with someone else clearly available that would make a difference, then sure, I would better understand the rationale. I'd also be in agreement, but right now there's a vacuum of an upgrade in waiting, and the guy hardly plays, so it's much ado about nothing.

As for his leadership and clubhouse presence and any positive gains by him being around, it's speculation on both sides of the coin.

Based on what little information that does see the light of day, it's more than likely he has been an asset. The talk circulating is this, so dismissal of his intangibles to the team goes in contradiction of the whispers, and is a fool's errand to adamantly take up the refuting position.

The probabilities are against you, and as they say, 'that dog don't hunt.'

kcjayhawks5 08-26-2014 05:00 PM

Let's **** some shit up tonight

Anyong Bluth 08-26-2014 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcjayhawks5 (Post 10851453)
Let's **** some shit up tonight

As long as you mean that in a good way, as opposed to, say, our narrow division lead!

WhawhaWhat 08-26-2014 05:35 PM

Rain delay in Detroit. Tigers/Yankees game starts about 7:15. Scoreboard watching in late August!!

TLO 08-26-2014 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 10851515)
Rain delay in Detroit. Tigers/Yankees game starts about 7:15. Scoreboard watching in late August!!

PBJ

ChiTown 08-26-2014 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth (Post 10851447)
That's a weak comparison, but you're a sharp guy, and you already knew that.

I don't get the ire for having the guy that did call the players only meeting which coincidence or not was right when the club turned it around and got hot.

If he was taking up a spot with someone else clearly available that would make a difference, then sure, I would better understand the rationale. I'd also be in agreement, but right now there's a vacuum of an upgrade in waiting, and the guy hardly plays, so it's much ado about nothing.

As for his leadership and clubhouse presence and any positive gains by him being around, it's speculation on both sides of the coin.

Based on what little information that does see the light of day, it's more than likely he has been an asset. The talk circulating is this, so dismissal of his intangibles to the team goes in contradiction of the whispers, and is a fool's errand to adamantly take up the refuting position.

The probabilities are against you, and as they say, 'that dog don't hunt.'

That's a lot of words just to tell me to: SHADDUP YOU FACE!

:D

stonedstooge 08-26-2014 05:55 PM

National Fox Tuesday Night Game tonight

Archie F. Swin 08-26-2014 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 10851515)
Rain delay in Detroit. Tigers/Yankees game starts about 7:15. Scoreboard watching in late August!!

http://radblast.wunderground.com/cgi...=Detroit%2C+MI

Mr. Laz 08-26-2014 06:08 PM

must.hit.better

bsroyals54 08-26-2014 06:10 PM

Holy cow I'm already annoyed by the guy commentating next to Physioc

stonedstooge 08-26-2014 06:11 PM

Good start Duff

alnorth 08-26-2014 06:11 PM

1st inning
 
Top 1st

Santana strikes out (swinging)
Dozier grounds out to third
Mauer lines out to third

0 runs, 0 hits

Bottom 1st

Dyson flies out to center
Escobar pops out to third
Gordon strikes out (swinging)

0 runs, 0 hits

siberian khatru 08-26-2014 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bsroyals54 (Post 10851580)
Holy cow I'm already annoyed by the guy commentating next to Physioc

Bert "Be Home" Blyleven

SPchief 08-26-2014 06:12 PM

Twins fans have to listen to this guy's voice every night? **** that

TambaBerry 08-26-2014 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stonedstooge (Post 10851553)
National Fox Tuesday Night Game tonight

Thank you

siberian khatru 08-26-2014 06:13 PM

Circle me, Bert!

ChiefsCountry 08-26-2014 06:13 PM

Good start by Duffman.

ChiTown 08-26-2014 06:13 PM

Love the way Duffy has come out pitching. Great inning!

stonedstooge 08-26-2014 06:13 PM

LET'S SCORE EARLY AND SCORE OFTEN

siberian khatru 08-26-2014 06:13 PM

Hope the Royals bats wake up tonight

bsroyals54 08-26-2014 06:14 PM

That voice is intolerable for more than 3 seconds, and I have a feeling he's going to talk a lot.

SPchief 08-26-2014 06:16 PM

Good start from Duffy

bsroyals54 08-26-2014 06:17 PM

Nice try Dyson, better than a slap ground ball to 2nd

Anyong Bluth 08-26-2014 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 10851547)
That's a lot of words just to tell me to: SHADDUP YOU FACE!

:D

No no, you're good people in my book. I just didn't want to create a giant scroll by quoting multiple times for all that were weighing in. So, you got designated cumulative honors.

Archie F. Swin 08-26-2014 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPchief (Post 10851589)
Twins fans have to listen to this guy's voice every night? **** that

Pretty tolerable for a Minn native

stonedstooge 08-26-2014 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archie F. Swin (Post 10851614)
Pretty tolerable for a Minn native

SquareHeads probably love him

bsroyals54 08-26-2014 06:19 PM

shut up!

bsroyals54 08-26-2014 06:19 PM

That was a called strike?

Al Bundy 08-26-2014 06:20 PM

Ohhh... Cy Nolasco is in the building.

Archie F. Swin 08-26-2014 06:20 PM

Guarantee you Rex is next door shining Bert's shoes

AustinChief 08-26-2014 06:20 PM

WTF was that call??

bsroyals54 08-26-2014 06:21 PM

Apparently Gordon swung, but it didn't look like it at all

alnorth 08-26-2014 06:21 PM

2nd inning
 
Top 2nd

Vargas strikes out (swinging)
Arcia walks
Plouffe grounds into a 4-3 double play, Arcia out at second

0 runs, 0 hits

Bottom 2nd

Butler hit by pitch
Perez singles to left, Butler to second
Willingham grounds into a 4-3 double play, Perez out at second, Butler to third
Moustakas flies out to left

0 runs, 1 hit

penbrook 08-26-2014 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bsroyals54 (Post 10851629)
Apparently Gordon swung, but it didn't look like it at all

He swung

blake5676 08-26-2014 06:22 PM

He definitely went around. This team is allergic to taking pitches and/or walking. Would REALLY like to see Willingham start rubbing off on some of these guys.


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