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gblowfish 08-24-2014 09:19 PM

Original KC Masterpiece!
 
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KC Masterpiece BBQ sauce was the first sauce to win the American Royal BBQ contest. Dr. Rich Davis sold his sauce to the Clorox Corp, the same people who make Kingsford Charcoal. They cheapened up the original recipe, and now it taste NOTHING like the original stuff. Shame really.

I found this in my local grocery tonight. It's kind of like retro Pepsi. This is a special 35 Year Anniversary bottle with the ORIGINAL recipe. They should make it like this all the time anyway. I don't mind paying $3 or $4 for a bottle of good stuff. The Clorox version is usually like $2 a bottle, because it's been dumbed down with lesser ingredients.

The original stuff was pretty good, I'm looking forward to trying this to see if it tastes like I remember in the old days.

TimBone 08-24-2014 09:20 PM

Check the ingredients. Is high fructose corn syrup listed anywhere?

gblowfish 08-24-2014 09:22 PM

Nope, it uses cane sugar and molasses.

You can buy it by the case on line:
http://store.kingsford.com/products/...ary-blend.html

Prison Bitch 08-24-2014 09:22 PM

George post more pics of the chiefs cheerleaders

Demonpenz 08-24-2014 09:22 PM

Sometimes I like to mix funnel cake with beef.

gblowfish 08-24-2014 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 10847507)
George post more pics of the chiefs cheerleaders

Well, PB, I didn't go to the game last night, I sold my tix to a guy who wanted to take his wife and kid. He did post this pic from my seats. When you look over the railing, the cheerleaders come out right before kickoff. Enjoy:

Prison Bitch 08-24-2014 09:42 PM

Well done. Both the pic, and unloading those tix

TimBone 08-24-2014 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 10847505)
Nope, it uses cane sugar and molasses.

You can buy it by the case on line:
http://store.kingsford.com/products/...ary-blend.html

Yea...perhaps I'll give it a try.

alpha_omega 08-24-2014 10:04 PM

How long has it been since the change???

I don't remember but I wrote KC Masterpiece off a long time ago.

BigRedChief 08-24-2014 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 10847505)
Nope, it uses cane sugar and molasses.

You can buy it by the case on line:
http://store.kingsford.com/products/...ary-blend.html

Man I loved the sauce before they sold out. Is it the real deal? Taste it yet?

I'm having a labor day party next weekend and firing up the smoker. These Floridians haven't tasted anything like the orginal KC Masterpiece.

gblowfish 08-25-2014 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 10847583)
Man I loved the sauce before they sold out. Is it the real deal? Taste it yet?

I'm having a labor day party next weekend and firing up the smoker. These Floridians haven't tasted anything like the orginal KC Masterpiece.

The bottle that I bought I'm sending to a friend in L.A. I may go buy another one this week, and if I like it buy some more. Right now in my fridge I have Gates regular, Gates Extra Hot, Rosedale and some Sweet Baby Ray's Raspberry Chipolte (good for dipping chicken nuggets). Big Lots has been carrying Stubb's BBQ sauce from Austin, TX. Big bottle for $3, and that's a good deal. I also have some Rendevous and some Corky's Memphis sauce, some Bryant's original and some of Mr. Doggity's sauce in my cupboard, so I'm in pretty good shape on BBQ sauce right now.

Simply Red 08-25-2014 08:43 AM

There is not a damned thing wrong with KC Masterpiece.

gblowfish 08-25-2014 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by alpha_omega (Post 10847573)
How long has it been since the change???

I don't remember but I wrote KC Masterpiece off a long time ago.

Rich Davis sold out to Clorox, who also owns Kingsford charcoal. They wanted a national signature sauce they could sell at grocery stores. Problem is, Clorox radically changed the formula to cheapen it up, so it could compete with Kraft, and Bullseye, and Hunt's, and other BS pretending to be BBQ sauce.

Lots of people like the current stuff, because they don't know any better. Taste a current Pepsi, then taste one of the retro Pepsi's made with real sugar. Same kind of thing. Big difference.

Simply Red 08-25-2014 08:46 AM

My dad used to buy bbq sauce from this private individual named Hank in NKC.

gblowfish 08-25-2014 08:48 AM

There's a really good BBQ place in NKC called "Smoking Guns." Have you ever been there?

Valiant 08-25-2014 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 10847823)
Rich Davis sold out to Clorox, who also owns Kingsford charcoal. They wanted a national signature sauce they could sell at grocery stores. Problem is, the radically changed the formula to cheapen it up, so it could compete with Kraft, and Bullseye, and Hunt's, and other BS pretending to be BBQ sauce.

Lots of people like the current stuff, because they don't know any better. Taste a current Pepsi, then taste one of the retro Pepsi's made with real sugar. Same kind of thing. Big difference.

I have never tried the original KC, but I agree on Pepsi, why I am glad the throwbacks came back..

Big Poppa Payne 08-25-2014 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 10847499)
KC Masterpiece BBQ sauce was the first sauce to win the American Royal BBQ contest. Dr. Rich Davis sold his sauce to the Clorox Corp, the same people who make Kingsford Charcoal. They cheapened up the original recipe, and now it taste NOTHING like the original stuff. Shame really.

I found this in my local grocery tonight. It's kind of like retro Pepsi. This is a special 35 Year Anniversary bottle with the ORIGINAL recipe. They should make it like this all the time anyway. I don't mind paying $3 or $4 for a bottle of good stuff. The Clorox version is usually like $2 a bottle, because it's been dumbed down with lesser ingredients.

The original stuff was pretty good, I'm looking forward to trying this to see if it tastes like I remember in the old days.


George, what grocery store did you buy that at?

gblowfish 08-25-2014 10:36 AM

Apple Market, Independence, MO.
But you can buy a case direct from KC Masterpiece's website.

beach tribe 08-25-2014 10:57 AM

I have always wondered about this.

I had read about it winning awards, and the fact that is a KC MASTERPIECE I trick myself into buying it every 4 years or so, and am always like "WTF...Seriously??"

This explains it all.

I would sell out too if someone offered me big dough for my sauce.

Big Poppa Payne 08-25-2014 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 10848041)
Apple Market, Independence, MO.
But you can buy a case direct from KC Masterpiece's website.

Oh ok.. Passentino's Apple Market? I used to work there 20 years ago. lol

Reaper16 08-25-2014 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 10847830)
There's a really good BBQ place in NKC called "Smoking Guns." Have you ever been there?

Yes. Of course.

srvy 08-25-2014 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 10847812)
The bottle that I bought I'm sending to a friend in L.A. I may go buy another one this week, and if I like it buy some more. Right now in my fridge I have Gates regular, Gates Extra Hot, Rosedale and some Sweet Baby Ray's Raspberry Chipolte (good for dipping chicken nuggets). Big Lots has been carrying Stubb's BBQ sauce from Austin, TX. Big bottle for $3, and that's a good deal. I also have some Rendevous and some Corky's Memphis sauce, some Bryant's original and some of Mr. Doggity's sauce in my cupboard, so I'm in pretty good shape on BBQ sauce right now.

What do you think of the Rosedale sauce? I myself love the stuff and am fan altogether in there BBQ.

As for Smoking Guns when they first opened in NKC I went there with some the crew. We had read all the awards the guy had won. We walked in the joint wasn't a soul in the place at lunch time. Looking around was 1st place ribbon and awards hanging all over the place. Then we got our food no smokey taste to the brisket. We all agreed the guy didn't take as much care in his joint as he did competition. We swore never to set foot there again and haven't. I have been hearing people giving it good reviews maybe it is time to give a second chance.

gblowfish 08-25-2014 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by srvy (Post 10848148)
What do you think of the Rosedale sauce? I myself love the stuff and am fan altogether in there BBQ.

As for Smoking Guns when they first opened in NKC I went there with some the crew. We had read all the awards the guy had won. We walked in the joint wasn't a soul in the place at lunch time. Looking around was 1st place ribbon and awards hanging all over the place. Then we got our food no smokey taste to the brisket. We all agreed the guy didn't take as much care in his joint as he did competition. We swore never to set foot there again and haven't. I have been hearing people giving it good reviews maybe it is time to give a second chance.

People have a love or hate relationship with Rosedale. Personally, I love the joint. It's one of the oldest continuing BBQ joints in KC. It's got a front counter you can sit at, the food comes out fast. And if you don't mind a styrofoam plate, it's a great value. For a dinner you get whatever meat you want (I love their turkey) and three sides -crinkle cut fries, beans and slaw, all for less than $10. The beer and the soda is in bottles or cans, and they have one of the widest selections in town. They have diet Vernor's ginger ale...which is way cool if you drink diet soda like I do. Downside on Rosedale is their ribs are usually fatty, kind of the consistency of pot roast, and I don't like them that much. The brisket is cut into cubes, not strips, and it's hard to manage on a bun. The sauce is wonderful. Has an apple fruit kick, and is just terrific. They make a regular and a hot version.

I had Smokin' Guns at a catered event once, never been to the restaurant in NKC, so I can't really say much about them. I've had friends that have gone there and had a good experience.

SAUTO 08-25-2014 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 10848169)
People have a love or hate relationship with Rosedale. Personally, I love the joint. It's one of the oldest continuing BBQ joints in KC. It's got a front counter you can sit at, the food comes out fast. And if you don't mind a styrofoam plate, it's a great value. For a dinner you get whatever meat you want (I love their turkey) and three sides -crinkle cut fries, beans and slaw, all for less than $10. The beer and the soda is in bottles or cans, and they have one of the widest selections in town. They have diet Vernor's ginger ale...which is way cool if you drink diet soda like I do. Downside on Rosedale is their ribs are usually fatty, kind of the consistency of pot roast, and I don't like them that much. The brisket is cut into cubes, not strips, and it's hard to manage on a bun. The sauce is wonderful. Has an apple fruit kick, and is just terrific. They make a regular and a hot version.

I had Smokin' Guns at a catered event once, never been to the restaurant in NKC, so I can't really say much about them. I've had friends that have gone there and had a good experience.

im not a fan of rosesdale bbq, we used to have club meetings there on sunday mornings and I ate too much probably.

I would rather just drive on up the road and see ed at quicks...

gblowfish 08-25-2014 11:45 AM

Heh...I was having lunch with a customer at Quick's once in the early 1990s. His car was stolen from the parking lot while we were having lunch. Awkward!

srvy 08-25-2014 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 10848169)
People have a love or hate relationship with Rosedale. Personally, I love the joint. It's one of the oldest continuing BBQ joints in KC. It's got a front counter you can sit at, the food comes out fast. And if you don't mind a styrofoam plate, it's a great value. For a dinner you get whatever meat you want (I love their turkey) and three sides -crinkle cut fries, beans and slaw, all for less than $10. The beer and the soda is in bottles or cans, and they have one of the widest selections in town. They have diet Vernor's ginger ale...which is way cool if you drink diet soda like I do. Downside on Rosedale is their ribs are usually fatty, kind of the consistency of pot roast, and I don't like them that much. The brisket is cut into cubes, not strips, and it's hard to manage on a bun. The sauce is wonderful. Has an apple fruit kick, and is just terrific. They make a regular and a hot version.

I had Smokin' Guns at a catered event once, never been to the restaurant in NKC, so I can't really say much about them. I've had friends that have gone there and had a good experience.

Ive been a fan since the first time I went there in the seventies. We would finish work at Worlds of Fun drive to Kansas get a slab and a cold 40 of Olympia 3:2 for us 18 year old. I love the fries at Rosedale and the sauce is perfect for dipping fries in. After finish meal we headed to Crazy Bobs and Fat Hattie's private club on corner 18th and SW BLVD. It was just a private drinking club that we knew the owners ad let us in. When Hattie sold out it became Apartment Lounge strip club. Fun times and I still try to make it to Rosedale at least 1 time a week.

srvy 08-25-2014 11:49 AM

Back to KC Masterpiece I think that Sweet Baby Rays original is closer to the old Masterpiece from what I remember.

TimBone 08-25-2014 12:03 PM

I'm buying a case to try it. I'm willing to ship a few to guys(free of charge)who can't find it in their area but wanna try it. Six in a case, and I'll probably use two at the most. PM me if you're looking for it but having trouble finding it.

TimBone 08-25-2014 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by srvy (Post 10848198)
Back to KC Masterpiece I think that Sweet Baby Rays original is closer to the old Masterpiece from what I remember.

Isn't all sweet baby rays made with high fructose corn syrup?

srvy 08-25-2014 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Flybone McTimmerson (Post 10848229)
Isn't all sweet baby rays made with high fructose corn syrup?

Most likely. I don't have a bottle around now to check. The Festval foods by me has Cowtown (OK Joes) sauce im kinda into right now.

gblowfish 08-25-2014 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Flybone McTimmerson (Post 10848229)
Isn't all sweet baby rays made with high fructose corn syrup?

Probably. It's one of those grocery store cheap brands. I don't use much of it. I like it for dipping chicken strips. It's pretty sweet, so I'll bet its loaded with HFCS.

BigRedChief 08-25-2014 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Flybone McTimmerson (Post 10848229)
Isn't all sweet baby rays made with high fructose corn syrup?

It's for shit. Thats the BBQ sauce that Floridians love. Sweet syrupy crap on BBQ.:#

srvy 08-25-2014 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 10848295)
It's for shit. Thats the BBQ sauce that Floridians love. Sweet syrupy crap on BBQ.:#

SBR just has sweetness with a little heat kinda how I remembered Masterpiece to be. Now Masterpiece is just sweet with a hint of liquid smoke.

TimBone 08-25-2014 12:52 PM

I've always found SBR to be super sweet. Not to say I don't like it. Like George said, it has its uses. If I'm cooking in the kitchen, I've got no problem using it, or using it for dipping. However, if I'm going through the trouble of smoking some real barbecue, I'm not using a fake sauce. I'll make my own or use some from KC.

I'm in Louisiana which sucks, because even "authentic sauces" down here are made with high fructose corn syrup. I've been forced to learn how to make my own.

lcarus 08-25-2014 01:01 PM

All I ever need.

http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/018...g?v=1357761327

ChiefsCountry 08-25-2014 01:04 PM

My favorite sauce
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TimBone 08-25-2014 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by lcarus (Post 10848398)

Yessss!!

BigRedChief 08-25-2014 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Flybone McTimmerson (Post 10848368)
I've always found SBR to be super sweet. Not to say I don't like it. Like George said, it has its uses. If I'm cooking in the kitchen, I've got no problem using it, or using it for dipping. However, if I'm going through the trouble of smoking some real barbecue, I'm not using a fake sauce. I'll make my own or use some from KC.

I'm in Louisiana which sucks, because even "authentic sauces" down here are made with high fructose corn syrup. I've been forced to learn how to make my own.

I'm firing up the smoker this weekend. Ribs, Brats, Lamb, Pork butt, Pork Loin, Chicken. I'm debating on whether to even buy some SBR to allow the attendees to put that crap on my smoked meats. Usually get some good Jack Stack sauce shipped in but its too late for that. I'm thinking to let the meat stand alone rather than allow that high frutose crap to ruin the taste.

Silock 08-25-2014 01:32 PM

K&M makes a good sauce, too.

gblowfish 08-25-2014 01:56 PM

One of the bad things about Rosedale's sauce is it has to remain refrigerated, so you can't really ship it anywhere. It's considered a perishable food.

mdchiefsfan 08-25-2014 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Flybone McTimmerson (Post 10848229)
Isn't all sweet baby rays made with high fructose corn syrup?

Yes they are. I usually go with webers grilling sauce; it's made with molasses.

TimBone 09-01-2014 09:15 PM

I've got a few extra bottles if anybody wants one. Just PM me an address.

JoeyChuckles 09-01-2014 09:24 PM

Still buy Heyward's sauce in the grocery here in KC. Not too many people went there, but it was right down the street so we went once a month growing up.

Drove back by and found it's still in business somehow 30 years later.

lewdog 09-01-2014 09:34 PM

I am gonna have to do some searching to see if I can find some of these in the valley of the sun.

GloucesterChief 09-01-2014 09:34 PM

All Kansas City style sauce is sweet compared to Texas or Carolina style (whether clear, red, or mustard).

TimBone 09-01-2014 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 10872344)
I am gonna have to do some searching to see if I can find some of these in the valley of the sun.

Let me know if you don't have any luck.


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