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Crying Ramtard 08-05-2014 09:57 PM

how shady or legit is the NFL ?
 
http://spaces.covers.com/blog/Maximu...or-Profit.html

http://thefixisin.net/nfl.html

I'm not betting my farm on how true this is but it makes a lot of sense to me. The NFL is an entertainment business and can bend a games outcome when they so choose.


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So during a game between the Pittsburgh Steelers and the San Diego Chargers the Steelers were favored by 3. Nearly 70 percent of the betting public was on Pittsburgh, with a reported $100 million in potential earnings. The score with less than a minute to go, 11-10 Pittsburgh and SD with the ball. After an errant lateral gets knocked away by Troy Polamalu, he scoops it and scores. The score is now 17-10, there is no time left, all teams head to the locker room, fans go to cash their tickets.

After several minutes of debate, the refs overturn the call, restoring a meaningless TD off the board making the final score 11-10, the Steelers win, the public loses. What I found to be most odd about it is the league's explanation of a "forward pass". The pass was ruled forward although it is obvious it was a backwards lateral. When I got home, I starting thinking that things were just to good to be true.

Sportscenter reported the money lost in Vegas and almost joked about it. They were literally laughing. So after this bad beat, I held around some serious thoughts about the legitimacy of pro football.

An opportunity came up in my graduate school where I was to write my project on any topic I was to choose. So I chose researching the "Showbiz manipulations of the NFL". I picked up several books including Dan Moldea's "Interference: How Organized Crimes Influence Professional Football", Brian Touhy's "The Fix Is In" , Roger L. Martins "Fixing the Game". I checked out several TV Marketing books from the college library and also several TV Business books.

I utilized my rights under the Freedom of Information Act passed by President Lyndon Johnson in 1966 to access over 40 years of FBI files on the NFL although some information was redacted. Here's what I found:

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Contrary to popular belief and to what he NFL wants you to think, there have been fixed games in league history. On page 308 of Dan Moldea's book "Interference" he lists over 70 NFL games that have been fixed and includes the names of the 2 referees involved in fixing those games. He also lists interviews with NFL HOF players most notably KC Chiefs QB Len Dawson. He, in detail with documented facts supported by FBI documents, has interviews with NFL players and known gambling associates to uncover massive game fixing in the league. He also notes, with evidence, throughout the book that no fewer than 26 NFL team owners have or have had continuous and developing relationships with the gambling world, most notably the Rooney, Bidwill, and Mara families all getting their starts as Bookmakers for established mid-west crime families and buying their NFL franchises with moneys earned from gambling. So that in and of itself is a hypocrisy number 1 on the NFL's "lilly white" reputation.

NFL Referees are part-time employees of the NFL. They are not employees of any team nor do they get paid anywhere close to the sums of NBA refs. NFL refs make between $25K to $70K per season. They work for the league and do what the league tells them to do. They are not there for "the integrity of the game". Referees, unlike other sports, are bound by NFL mandated gag orders which prevent them from talking to the media.

2. The NFL possesses an Anti-Trust Exemption to the law granted to it by President John F. Kennedy, which ultimately allows the NFL to classify itself as "entertainment" rather than sport, as well as incorporate itself as a single entity instead of the 32 separate "franchises" they would want you to believe. Contrary to the perception of the NFL being 32 separate franchises battling it out for gridiron supremacy. In a franchised environment, such as McDonalds (Business 101), each franchise is individually owned and operated and can participate in national promotions, have its own local promotions, or abstain from participating (hence the fine print in commercials saying "at participating locations".

This keeps the regionality of competition in tact without having to compete on a national level. MLB has this status, the NFL does not. Instead, since the NFL has this Anti-Trust exemption, it is able to package its teams in order to sell to national television companies, which today totals $6 Billion in revenue for the league. That is 75% of the leagues total annual revenue. In a 2004 lawsuit vs the NFL, the NFL attorney Gregg H. Levy argued that "the NFL is not a collection of 32 individual teams, but rather a single entity. And as long as the NFL teams are a unit, and they compete as a unit in the entertainment marketplace, then they should be deemed a single unit and not subject to any Anti-Trust laws."

There is only another "sports" organization that I can think of that follows this, the WWE. Levy also argued that the league markets its products and merchandise as a whole to promote the NFL as a whole. These arguments led all the way to lockout during the 2011 offseason. The league would still earn $5 Billion in revenue, even without a single game being played.

Professional sports is the only industry without ANY federal oversight. Therefore the league can do and go as they see fit, this is something the players were concerned about going into the lockout, the NFL players themselves sought help from US Congress asking for oversight of the NFL. And NFL players wanted an explanation as to why the NFL owners were granted an Anti-Trust exemption in the first place. They didn't get it.

The NFL proved in this lawsuit that they see themselves as a single unit in the "entertainment" industry and the unique league revenue sharing strategy is not common amongst professional sports leagues.
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Robert Kraft and John Mara are two of the most business savvy and highly respected NFL owners. Kraft is in charge of the NFL TV broadcast committee and also leads all television negotiations for the NFL. Kraft also is on the board of directors for Viacom, the parent company of CBS, one of NFL's broadcasters. This past Spring, Robert Kraft negotiated a record TV deal for the NFL which will result in $24 Billion in revenue with CBS, FOX, ESPN and NBC. Kraft and Mara also brought both parties to the table and led all negotiations in ending the lockout.

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Atlanta Falcons owner Arthur Blank was interviewed saying "It is predetermined that these two teams would be here, I wish my team was selected to be in the Super Bowl one day, but these two gentlemen deserve it". And the Giants posted themselves as victors before the game, the NFL claimed it was "an overzealous employee".

The 49ers need a new stadium, with the same players as Mike Singletary, and a Alex Smith in a contract year, the 49ers post a 13-3 record and make it to the NFC Championship. But what they don't tell you is how the stadium deal is structured. 80% of the funding comes from Bank of America and US Bank. 20% financed by the State of California using tax dollars.

The 49ers have pledged to pay back the State in 5 seasons with help from revenue sharing from NFL owners. What better way to pay someone back quickly than with packed stadiums and extra playoff game revenue.

On MNF they found themselves in a blackout. Steelers safety Ryan Clark said "it was to show the league they need a new stadium and the 49ers caused the blackout". Why would he say this if shadiness wasn't common practice? You can view his opinions here: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/9...off-his-rocker.

Ravens players complained that the 2007 Patriots were " being handed games by refs" in their quest for perfection. And I have over 40 years of information on NFL business dealings and how these owners "miraculously" found themselves holding the Lombardi Trophy.

Let's look at the 2011 season and see how television ratings connected with some of the league's most important games, and quickly view how the referees controlled games.

Week 1: NFL Announces ESPN will pay $1billion per game of MNF through the 2021 season. In a tribute to 9/11 20 million + viewers tuned in as the Jets mounted a magic 14 point comeback over the Cowboys. Number of penalties called the Jets = 0

Week 2: The NFL's rule changes make for a more exciting game as scoring is way up. Much like the AFL days of the 60's, 72% of the games went over the total and TV ratings are now through the roof. The league emphasises "the year of the QB".

Week 3: Packers vs Bears: The Bears return a punt return for a TD which would've ultimately allowed them to cover the spread. Instead a fantom holding call overturned the TD. It was the 10th penalty of the game for the Bears vs. 1 penalty for the Packers. You can see the play here: http://youtu.be/_w-pXfjbYHk

Week 6: The Beginning of the Tim Tebow Era. Tim Tebow has a HUGE, and I mean HUGE Christian following. The guy can't hit a barn, but a decent athlete. Yet as the third string QB he is thrust into the starting role and the team magically "changes the entire offense" in a matter of weeks to suit him? Tebow was the number 1 jersey seller for the league without even stepping foot on the field. It was time to make him a star and they did ripping off several "magical" victories with poultry statistics. These teams were handing them games. If you didn't notice this, all I need to say it two words : Marion Barber. All the while the NFL is forcing religion down our throats with God's quarterback.

Week 7: The Jags are close to a sale, the possible new owners just need one more hint of encouragement to prevent buyers remorse. In come the Ravens. After the Saints destruction of the Colts on SNF. Vegas was in trouble. ESPN was in trouble because no one was going to watch this snore fest. The Ravens didn't get a first down until late in the fourth quarter and the Jags win with 4 FG's. Sale complete, Vegas wins. You lose.

Crying Ramtard 08-05-2014 10:01 PM

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Week 16: In Gregg Easterbrook's TMQ December 27th article he says "What did the NFL know and when did they know it? Just after Tom Brady ran for a TD to make the score 27-17 NE, with 3 minutes remaining in the game, NFL.com posted a highlight tag and a headline that said "Brady puts Patriots up for Good". That was the NFL official word with 3 minutes left in the game! Also on MFN, the Saints were playing the Falcons in what was going to be the game in which Drew Brees would break Dan Marino's passing record. The league stopped the game to celebrate the moment. The Saints had 0 penalties called on them all game, and the Falcons went for it on 4th down in their own territory twice, losing both times! And magically Brees broke the record on a TD pass and all of the players and camera crews knew exactly when they were going to break the record and magically celebrated at the same time. Even more interesting during this game, the Saints were initially called for holding in the end zone which should have resulted in a Safety, but the head referee overturned the call saying "The offensive player was shedding the defender, therefore no holding occurred".
http://cbssports.com/images/blogs/dr...d_10072012.jpg

-King- 08-05-2014 10:14 PM

Stupid.

TimBone 08-05-2014 10:14 PM

Ugh....not this thread again. Cosmo, handle these guys, would ya?

TribalElder 08-05-2014 10:15 PM

Of course it's not rigged

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hometeam 08-05-2014 10:18 PM

Q

cmh6476 08-05-2014 10:21 PM

Why does God, I mean the powers that be hate the Chiefs?

Crying Ramtard 08-05-2014 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Flybone McTimmerson (Post 10797164)
Ugh....not this thread again. Cosmo, handle these guys, would ya?

whats the problem ? I just found it and I am fascinated by it .
I am also fascinated with the fact that I have put it on a few forums and people take it personal like they are being attacked with the possibility it might be true and start insulting me like I came up with the idea. LOL

just food for thought. No one gets hurt by it

TimBone 08-05-2014 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ram29jackson (Post 10797179)
whats the problem ? I just found it and I am fascinated by it .
I am also fascinated with the fact that I have put it on a few forums and people take it personal like they are being attacked with the possibility it might be true and start insulting me like I came up with the idea. LOL

just food for thought. No one gets hurt by it

The problem isn't with you. It's that we had a big ass thread about this same kind of subject not too long ago.

Don't worry though, Tex will be along shortly to validate the conspiracy theories in your OP.

Crying Ramtard 08-05-2014 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by cmh6476 (Post 10797177)
Why does God, I mean the powers that be hate the Chiefs?

they don't hate them lately

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/D...NFL-local.aspx

Kman34 08-05-2014 10:27 PM

It would be impossible for the thousands of people involved to keep this under wraps.
The thing about big secrets is that no one can keep them.

Crying Ramtard 08-05-2014 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Flybone McTimmerson (Post 10797187)
The problem isn't with you. It's that we had a big ass thread about this same kind of subject not too long ago.

Don't worry though, Tex will be along shortly to validate the conspiracy theories in your OP.

but there is no conspiracy. Government recognizes the NFL as an entertainment business. By manipulating games they aren't doing anything illegal.

kcxiv 08-05-2014 10:29 PM

Its like a reality show. They steer things into a certain direction and let it play out!

kcxiv 08-05-2014 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Kman34 (Post 10797191)
It would be impossible for the thousands of people involved to keep this under wraps.
The thing about big secrets is that no one can keep them.

government seems to do it just fine! You have people who believe them and some that dont.

Crying Ramtard 08-05-2014 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Kman34 (Post 10797191)
It would be impossible for the thousands of people involved to keep this under wraps.
The thing about big secrets is that no one can keep them.

there are no thousands people involved, just the league refs and the owners and the Commish. Players might get wise after a while but then they realize what being a pro jock really means- and no where will they make millions. All the major media sources fund the NFL and the NFL provides them profit in the millions. If you want to be the reporter that writes a story about this and never get another job...well no one has bothered ever, so.

Kman34 08-05-2014 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Fruit Ninja (Post 10797196)
government seems to do it just fine! You have people who believe them and some that dont.

Oh yeah....The aliens in area 51 say hi...;)

TimBone 08-05-2014 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ram29jackson (Post 10797194)
but there is no conspiracy. Government recognizes the NFL as an entertainment business. By manipulating games they aren't doing anything illegal.

Like I said, this was all discussed ad nauseam in the other thread.

Crying Ramtard 08-05-2014 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Flybone McTimmerson (Post 10797214)
Like I said, this was all discussed ad nauseam in the other thread.

please find it then :D

Crying Ramtard 08-06-2014 08:18 PM

so where is this other thread ,please

PHOG 08-06-2014 08:26 PM

pretty much, either, or

LoneWolf 08-06-2014 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ram29jackson (Post 10798633)
so where is this other thread ,please

Use the search function, dipshit! I swear to God if you bump that abortion of a thread, I will find you and shit in your ****ing mouth.

This rigged/conspiracy bullshit is ****ing reeruned. All it would take is one disgruntled referee to blow the whole thing up. It would ruin Vegas. Way to much to lose to even attempt something like this.

KCrockaholic 08-06-2014 08:34 PM

http://thefixisin.net/sb48predict.html

So stupid. By this logic, it looks like the 49ers are going to win the Superbowl.

http://news.bangthebook.com/wp-conte...-Bowl-XLIX.png

saphojunkie 08-06-2014 08:44 PM

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Week 6: The Beginning of the Tim Tebow Era. Tim Tebow has a HUGE, and I mean HUGE Christian following. The guy can't hit a barn, but a decent athlete. Yet as the third string QB he is thrust into the starting role and the team magically "changes the entire offense" in a matter of weeks to suit him? Tebow was the number 1 jersey seller for the league without even stepping foot on the field. It was time to make him a star and they did ripping off several "magical" victories with poultry statistics.
LMAO

Hog's Gone Fishin 08-06-2014 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 10798654)
Use the search function, dipshit! I swear to God if you bump that abortion of a thread, I will find you and shit in your ****ing mouth.

This rigged/conspiracy bullshit is ****ing reeruned. All it would take is one disgruntled referee to blow the whole thing up. It would ruin Vegas. Way to much to lose to even attempt something like this.

So you're saying it's possible !

cosmo20002 08-06-2014 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Flybone McTimmerson (Post 10797164)
Ugh....not this thread again. Cosmo, handle these guys, would ya?

I meant to take this up today...maybe tomorrow.

In58men 08-06-2014 08:55 PM

Of course the NFL is rigged. It has been for years, money is ****ing powerful.

cosmo20002 08-06-2014 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ram29jackson (Post 10797194)
but there is no conspiracy. Government recognizes the NFL as an entertainment business. By manipulating games they aren't doing anything illegal.

Ok, just stop. You're a ****ing moron.
This is completely untrue.

Hootie 08-06-2014 08:56 PM

tl;dr

but yeah, I did read the first paragraph and that was the most obvious "fix" I've ever seen in the NFL.

In no way, shape, or form was that not a Steelers TD. I was simply baffled and looked up the line that day to see wtf that was all about...and sure enough!!

So yeah, that one never set well with me.

cosmo20002 08-06-2014 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 10798741)
tl;dr

but yeah, I did read the first paragraph and that was the most obvious "fix" I've ever seen in the NFL.

In no way, shape, or form was that not a Steelers TD. I was simply baffled and looked up the line that day to see wtf that was all about...and sure enough!!

So yeah, that one never set well with me.

Somebody ****ed up = fix

stop being stupid

Buck 08-06-2014 09:01 PM

The play in question starts at 5 seconds into this video, clearly the fix was in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVtlJgt_8FY

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/cVtlJgt_8FY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Hootie 08-06-2014 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmo20002 (Post 10798743)
Somebody ****ed up = fix

stop being stupid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVtlJgt_8FY

They ruled it a TD on the field.

And then the officials huddled up after the teams both were off the field...and for no ****ing reason...they overturned the TD.

Anything else?

P.S.

stop being stupid

KCrockaholic 08-06-2014 09:02 PM

Oh **** you Buck

Buck 08-06-2014 09:03 PM

No

Buck 08-06-2014 09:04 PM

On my second watch through, it looks like LT catches the ball, and illegally laterals it forward to Chris Chambers before Chambers fumbles it to Troy. Maybe that was why? I don't think thats a dead ball though, and the TD should have still counted.

Hootie 08-06-2014 09:08 PM

no dude...there is no forward lateral on that play

the play was never blown dead, either

the official originally put his arms up for a TD and then...

all of the sudden...for no apparent reason...the officials all huddled up and then overruled the call on the field

in a game that was over either way

it made no sense, will never make any sense...and definitely gives the conspiracy theorists something to talk about

I certainly don't think the NFL is fixed but I certainly think something was pretty fishy about that call.

Buck 08-06-2014 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 10798768)
no dude...there is no forward lateral on that play

the play was never blown dead, either

the official originally put his arms up for a TD and then...

all of the sudden...for no apparent reason...the officials all huddled up and then overruled the call on the field

in a game that was over either way

it made no sense, will never make any sense...and definitely gives the conspiracy theorists something to talk about

I certainly don't think the NFL is fixed but I certainly think something was pretty fishy about that call.

I'm pretty sure the pass from LT to Chambers is a forward lateral. I still think it was a screwjob.

Hootie 08-06-2014 09:10 PM

as soon as Polamalu picked the ball up the game was over

there was absolutely no reason to review/overturn or do anything with the call on the field

none

I still have no idea why the officials would even care about overturning that call unless there was some variable we didn't know about...

you know

like Vegas losing their asses if the public won, or winning big if the public lost

the sharps were all over San Diego that game...that meaningless TD was huge for the public

all of the offshore seedy online gambling hubs like Sportsbook refunded that game to everyone who had Pitt and paid everyone out who had San Diego

Hootie 08-06-2014 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Buck (Post 10798776)
I'm pretty sure the pass from LT to Chambers is a forward lateral. I still think it was a screwjob.

how can you watch that and think that's a forward lateral?

It's not even close IMO

Hootie 08-06-2014 09:12 PM

I mean, watch it...

he literally basically hands it off to Chambers who wraps around him...that isn't even remotely close to forward

Buck 08-06-2014 09:13 PM

LT passes the ball from the 25 yard line, where Chambers catches it on the 26 yard line, IMO.

cosmo20002 08-06-2014 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 10798768)
no dude...there is no forward lateral on that play

the play was never blown dead, either

the official originally put his arms up for a TD and then...

all of the sudden...for no apparent reason...the officials all huddled up and then overruled the call on the field

in a game that was over either way

it made no sense, will never make any sense...and definitely gives the conspiracy theorists something to talk about

I certainly don't think the NFL is fixed but I certainly think something was pretty fishy about that call.

The first "lateral" was actually a (illegal) forward pass.
The refs (incorrectly) ruled the play should be dead at that point and the TD not allowed.

That ruling is correct if the illegal pass was incomplete. However, when there is a completed or intercepted illegal forward pass, play should continue and the defense can decide to accept or decline the result.

People **** up sometimes.

Hootie 08-06-2014 09:15 PM

dude, he's running...

and he literally flips the ball behind him to Chambers on the wrap around

there is no way in the history of the world that's a forward lateral

BUT IT DOESN'T EVEN MATTER ANYWAYS BECAUSE THE OFFICIALS RULED IT A TD UNTIL, FOR SOME REASON UNBEKNOWNST TO ANYONE, THEY OVERRULED IT AND THEN RAN AWAY

that was seedy, plain and simple

and it was certainly not a good look for the NFL

Hootie 08-06-2014 09:17 PM

LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVtlJgt_8FY

no one in the history of the god damn world can actually believe any of those laterals were forward

holy mother of God

I'm glad I don't post in DC because clearly cosmo just posts to argue

I mean...that is such a blatantly backwards lateral I am baffled anyone can argue otherwise...omg my head is going to explode

Bugeater 08-06-2014 09:20 PM

I wish I lived in Cosmo's little world where the NFL isn't shady and the gov't is looking out for our best interests and Obama is a great president. It must be a glorious place.

Hootie 08-06-2014 09:21 PM

I'd go insane if I posted (or cared) about DC.

That moron posts just to argue...I doubt he even believes have the shit he spews...he just picks the unpopular position and argues it. I'm sure he's a very happy individual.

a pp roach 08-06-2014 09:24 PM

I bet they're tracking this thread waiting for someone who knows something to post.

Crying Ramtard 08-06-2014 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmo20002 (Post 10798736)
Ok, just stop. You're a ****ing moron.
This is completely untrue.

thanks, its nice to meet you too but you are wrong and you don't know how to google or are afraid to.

Eleazar 08-06-2014 09:30 PM

Am I in before someone brings up the supposed supreme court ruling that declared games being fixed is totally legal? I bet I am not. :drool:

LoneWolf 08-06-2014 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 10798840)
Am I in before someone brings up the supposed supreme court ruling that declared games being fixed is totally legal? I bet I am not. :drool:

Look at the moron who posted directly above you.

TimBone 08-06-2014 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 10798840)
Am I in before someone brings up the supposed supreme court ruling that declared games being fixed is totally legal? I bet I am not. :drool:

OP pulled that card very early. Too bad, really. That's usually the conspiracy theorists go to card in the mid range pages of these threads.

WhiteWhale 08-06-2014 09:39 PM

I'm not convinced, but Tebow's denver run was suspicious.

Something funny was going on, because he sucked the whole time. I think legit competition totally outweighs any meddling.. but it's unlikely that meddling NEVER occurs. Weird shit happens all the time though.

Hootie 08-06-2014 09:43 PM

it's called

Denver had a really good defense...and the Broncos ran a 1930's offense that shortened games and Tebow was moderately good at running an offense that would never lead any team past 8-8. Shit, he beat the Chiefs completing 2 passes.

The reason he went on that "miracle" run is because Denver's D would keep it close...and then, like all dipshit NFL teams...instead of sticking to their game plan...when they were trying to nurse a 3 point lead at the end they'd start playing prevent which allowed Tebow to run around like a chicken with his god damn head cut off and start making athletic plays...

you know, rather than sticking to their gameplan and risking a miracle like the one we saw against Pitt with Demaryius Thomas.

splatbass 08-06-2014 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ram29jackson (Post 10797179)
whats the problem ? I just found it and I am fascinated by it .
I am also fascinated with the fact that I have put it on a few forums and people take it personal like they are being attacked with the possibility it might be true and start insulting me like I came up with the idea. LOL

just food for thought. No one gets hurt by it

If you look at the "evidence" you posted in the OP objectively you will see how many baseless assumptions and stretches of logic are made. This is not an insult to you, it just is what it is.

cosmo20002 08-06-2014 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 10798795)
dude, he's running...

and he literally flips the ball behind him to Chambers on the wrap around

there is no way in the history of the world that's a forward lateral

BUT IT DOESN'T EVEN MATTER ANYWAYS BECAUSE THE OFFICIALS RULED IT A TD UNTIL, FOR SOME REASON UNBEKNOWNST TO ANYONE, THEY OVERRULED IT AND THEN RAN AWAY

that was seedy, plain and simple

and it was certainly not a good look for the NFL

Of all people, you should know about ****-ups. It's your life. It's not always sinister. The first "lateral" was an illegal forward pass.

stumppy 08-06-2014 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Buck (Post 10798776)
I'm pretty sure the pass from LT to Chambers is a forward lateral. I still think it was a screwjob.

Looks like a forward lateral to me. Chambers even has to move to the left to catch it. From the point where the ball was released by LT to the point where Chambers catches the ball it moves forward about a yard.

Hootie 08-06-2014 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmo20002 (Post 10798957)
Of all people, you should know about ****-ups. It's your life. It's not always sinister. The first "lateral" was an illegal forward pass.

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=285525

14 out of 14 people disagree with you

but I guess out of all people, you should know about people disagreeing with you. It's your life.

cosmo20002 08-06-2014 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Bacon Cheeseburger (Post 10798808)
I wish I lived in Cosmo's little world where the NFL isn't shady and the gov't is looking out for our best interests and Obama is a great president. It must be a glorious place.

Your little world apparently involves keeping your head up your ass. Your dumbshit post confirms your ignorance.

Hootie 08-06-2014 10:06 PM

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not forward or even close to forward

stumppy 08-06-2014 10:08 PM

Lt releases the ball just past the 25 and Chambers catches it at almost the 27.

Hootie 08-06-2014 10:10 PM

so you watched that and think that he illegally passed that ball 2 yards forward?

good lord LMAO

stumppy 08-06-2014 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 10798978)
so you watched that and think that he illegally passed that ball 2 yards forward?

good lord LMAO

Put words in your own mouth

You tell me at what yard line the ball is released and where it is caught.

Hootie 08-06-2014 10:13 PM

I think after the 119th time I've watched it it is still clearly a legal lateral

stumppy 08-06-2014 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 10798988)
I think after the 119th time I've watched it it is still clearly a legal lateral

You cant see it well enough to tell ?

Hootie 08-06-2014 10:15 PM

I see it super well. 100% lateral. Can't believe some people see differently. Well, a very small percentage of people apparently.

cosmo20002 08-06-2014 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ram29jackson (Post 10798830)
thanks, its nice to meet you too but you are wrong and you don't know how to google or are afraid to.

You just couldn't be more wrong.
I know what's out there on google. You can google lots of absolute bullshit.

The NFL never argued that it was not a sport. Go ahead and show me otherwise.
The NFL never directly nor indirectly argued that games could legally be fixed. Go ahead and show me otherwise.

Here's your stupid argument:
The NFL is entertainment. Pro wrestling is entertainment.
Pro wrestling is fixed. NFL is fixed.

Lots of things are entertainment, including every sport, TV show, game, game show, contest, blackjack game, etc.
You would have to be an absolute moron to come to the conclusion that if something can be described as entertainment, it is legal to fix the outcome.

Go stab yourself in face with an ebola knife, you ****ing moron.

stumppy 08-06-2014 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 10798997)
I see it super well. 100% lateral. Can't believe some people see differently. Well, a very small percentage of people apparently.

Thats what I thought. You won't answer the question.

You do know it's OK to be wrong about something once in awhile.

Hootie 08-06-2014 10:22 PM

Certainly.

I know without a doubt I am not wrong about this, however.

That's a clear as day lateral.

stumppy 08-06-2014 10:23 PM

The forward momentum of LT makes it look like the ball was lateraled backwards but from the point where he releases the ball to the point where Chambers catches is about a yard or so in the forward direction.

Crying Ramtard 08-06-2014 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass (Post 10798908)
If you look at the "evidence" you posted in the OP objectively you will see how many baseless assumptions and stretches of logic are made. This is not an insult to you, it just is what it is.

What are the baseless assumptions ? I read the thing 5 times. I know what I saw in the NFC champ game last season. I know what I saw in SFs playoff games and SB the previous year. The games were severely manipulated by the refs without question. Because a brother vs brother super bowl and a Lewis retirement send off were the mandates from the league.

at its core the issue is this- when you see a ref make a call that is opposite what you saw live, and every replay and every fan reaction confirms it is the opposite of what the ref called and this happens a few times a game every week ( it doesn't matter when or how often ) it just becomes glaringly obvious its not just a human mistake anymore. It is in fact an outright lie.

this year the Seahawks wont sniff a playoff game or will lose the first round. The Cardinals wont even make the playoffs or will lose the first round as well because the SB is in Arizona.....

stumppy 08-06-2014 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 10799017)
Certainly.

I know without a doubt I am not wrong about this, however.

That's a clear as day lateral.

Then, seriously, tell me at what yard line the ball is released and at what yard it is caught. Pretty simple. That is what is used to define direction in the NFL I believe. If you can't do that the just stfu and take the drama queen act somewhere else.

Hootie 08-06-2014 10:28 PM

he literally flipped the ball backwards...essentially handing it off to Chambers on the wrap around

I like, am baffled anyone is arguing differently

stumppy 08-06-2014 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 10799034)
he literally flipped the ball backwards...essentially handing it off to Chambers on the wrap around

I like, am baffled anyone is arguing differently

I agree with you, he flipped it backwards. But he didn't 'flip' it hard enough. It continued traveling in the same direction as him. The ball did not travel backwards one inch.

cosmo20002 08-06-2014 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by stumppy (Post 10798985)
Put words in your own mouth

You tell me at what yard line the ball is released and where it is caught.

I don't believe he'll answer this.

Not honestly anyway.

Hootie 08-06-2014 10:32 PM

what the

the ball traveled with him?

uhm haha

stumppy 08-06-2014 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cosmo20002 (Post 10799056)
I don't believe he'll answer this.

Not honestly anyway.

He won't answer it at all. To answer it honestly would mean he'd have to admit all this drama is all about Hootie and not about the truth.

Jesus Hootie, why don't you just start jumping up and down while waving a pink flag and yelling LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME LOO AT ME LOOK AT ME.

Hootie 08-06-2014 10:36 PM

it looks like LT let go of it at the 24 and Chambers got it at the 32

man, LT really put some funky spin on that backwards flip

cosmo20002 08-06-2014 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 10798840)
Am I in before someone brings up the supposed supreme court ruling that declared games being fixed is totally legal? I bet I am not. :drool:

No, but you are in before anyone mentions how the NFL fixed it so the Saints won the Super Bowl because of Katrina. 5 years later.

Hootie 08-06-2014 10:37 PM

lmao

17 indifferent CP'ers answered backward

TWO (including cosmo who argues against the grain just to argue) answered forward

you're right, I'm just attention whoring this one.

17 - 2

Hootie 08-06-2014 10:38 PM

I mean 19-2

splatbass 08-06-2014 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ram29jackson (Post 10799021)
What are the baseless assumptions ?

I shouldn't have to do this since it is pretty ovious, but I will show you a couple.


1. On page 308 of Dan Moldea's book "Interference" he lists over 70 NFL games that have been fixed and includes the names Dan Moldea has made his living writing conspiracy theory books. To assume it is right because Dan Moldea says so is ridiculous.

2. The 49ers need a new stadium, with the same players as Mike Singletary, and a Alex Smith in a contract year, the 49ers post a 13-3 record and make it to the NFC Championship. But what they don't tell you is how the stadium deal is structured. 80% of the funding comes from Bank of America and US Bank. 20% financed by the State of California using tax dollars. I'm not sure what you even think this proves. Banks finance things. Nothing sinister there.

3. On MNF they found themselves in a blackout. Steelers safety Ryan Clark said "it was to show the league they need a new stadium and the 49ers caused the blackout". Why would he say this if shadiness wasn't common practice? This assumes a. that it proves shadiness is a common practice, and b. that this guy's opinions hold weight. Both baseless assumptions.

4. Ravens players complained that the 2007 Patriots were " being handed games by refs" in their quest for perfection. So rival players are unhappy with the calls? Nothing unusual here. It certainly doesn't prove anything except that they have opinions.

5. Week 1: NFL Announces ESPN will pay $1billion per game of MNF through the 2021 season. In a tribute to 9/11 20 million + viewers tuned in as the Jets mounted a magic 14 point comeback over the Cowboys. Number of penalties called the Jets = 0 This is not proof of anything except that the Jets had no penalties called. When you can prove that the reason no penalties were called is because the game was fixed you'll have something.

6. Week 2: The NFL's rule changes make for a more exciting game as scoring is way up. Much like the AFL days of the 60's, 72% of the games went over the total and TV ratings are now through the roof. The league emphasises "the year of the QB". This proves that the NFL likes ratings. It does not prove anything sinister.

I could go on and on, but it would all go over your head anyway because you see only what you want to see.


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