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RunKC 08-04-2014 08:13 AM

Andy Dalton gets $115 million extension
 
@ESPNNFL: BREAKING: Bengals + QB Andy Dalton reach agreement on 6-year, $115M contract ext

(via @AdamSchefter and @caplannfl) http://t.co/qrpHxlCCbS

Prison Bitch 08-04-2014 08:14 AM

"Wow he's overpaid" - Alex Smith

Reerun_KC 08-04-2014 08:15 AM

CP surely will meltdown now...

Three7s 08-04-2014 08:16 AM

That kind of contract for someone who's been mediocre?

Mama Hip Rockets 08-04-2014 08:17 AM

Wow. Unreal.

siberian khatru 08-04-2014 08:17 AM

0-3 in the playoffs with 1 TD and 6 INTs

Why Not? 08-04-2014 08:17 AM

Good. Gives us a shot to win a playoff game before someone else.

Three7s 08-04-2014 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 10793335)
0-3 in the playoffs with 1 TD and 6 INTs

This is why the Bengals have been Chiefs level bad when it comes to playoff victories. Two terribly run franchises.

Eleazar 08-04-2014 08:20 AM

Tell us again how the market price for Alex Smith is 60 or 70 million, CP...

jd1020 08-04-2014 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 10793340)
Tell us again how the market price for Alex Smith is 60 or 70 million, CP...

Tell us again why the Chiefs should spend 100M+ on Alex Smith...

siberian khatru 08-04-2014 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Three7s (Post 10793338)
This is why the Bengals have been Chiefs level bad when it comes to playoff victories. Two terribly run franchises.

I thought for sure after last season's playoff meltdown that Cincy would be seeking Dalton's replacement. I never fathomed he'd get an extension, let alone one like this.

Eleazar 08-04-2014 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 10793344)
Tell us again why the Chiefs should spend 100M+ on Alex Smith...

My comment had nothing to do with sign/don't sign. It was on what the market for a QB with Smith's resume would be.

'Hamas' Jenkins 08-04-2014 08:24 AM

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R8RFAN 08-04-2014 08:26 AM

You cheap bastards need to pay Smiff NOW!

jd1020 08-04-2014 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 10793348)
My comment had nothing to do with sign/don't sign. It was on what the market for a QB with Smith's resume would be.

If the market suggests that a QB thats 2 decades too late to the party and with 1 playoff win in his career means he's worth that kind of money then by all means let the market take him. If the Chiefs wanted to spend that money on Smith he would already be signed to the next 5 years.

Quesadilla Joe 08-04-2014 08:26 AM

So dumb. Bengals fans can't be happy that they're stuck with Dalton for six more years. Peyton Manning got 5 years $95 mil, how is Andy Dalton worth 6 years and $115M?

Three7s 08-04-2014 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 10793348)
My comment had nothing to do with sign/don't sign. It was on what the market for a QB with Smith's resume would be.

I wouldn't be basing it on this. The Bengals franchise is ran by a bunch of rabid monkeys.

Mr. Arrowhead 08-04-2014 08:27 AM

meh, the overall numbers look high, but lets wait to see how its structured and how much guaranteed hes getting

-King- 08-04-2014 08:27 AM

The structuring matters a lot but wow. Hopefully its like kaepernicks deal and not a legit 6 year 115MM contract.
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KC native 08-04-2014 08:28 AM

YOU GUYS SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTHS ABOUT THE GINGER JESUS!


Seriously though, that's a bit much for Andy (and that's from a TCU/Andy Dalton fan).

'Hamas' Jenkins 08-04-2014 08:30 AM

A Bengal Under Pressure
If Andy Dalton wants to quiet critics of his big deal, he’ll need to wait until the playoffs … when the big blitzes start coming.

BY BILL BARNWELL ON AUGUST 4, 2014
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Timing is a wondrous thing! Today, hours after we published this article, Andy Dalton signed a six-year, $115 million extension with the Bengals. Consider this an argument against that deal.

Each week, my portion of the Grantland NFL preview secretly has a theme. Some are more exciting than others. Week 1 was Contracts Week. Not exactly the sexiest subject, unless yelling about Eli Manning happens to get you going. Last week was Contrarian Opinion Week. This week is a personal favorite: QB Crossroads1 Week! In this week’s pieces, I’ll be running through a set of quarterbacks who are at a turning point in their careers. Even better, I’ll be getting help from Grantland pals Kirk Goldsberry and Chris B. Brown.

1. As much as I would like to do a week of articles about missing my Uncle Charles, that’s “Tha Crossroads” Week, which is a totally different thing.

The stakes are different for each passer, but the general story is the same: 2014 will represent the most important season in determining their respective career paths over the next several seasons. Last year, we saw dramatic swings in the trajectories of passers like Josh Freeman and Philip Rivers, who headed in drastically different directions. Rivers rebuilt his career under a new coaching staff and justified his team-leading contract for years to come. Freeman, well, he drifted off aimlessly and lost a small fortune in guaranteed money in the process. The returns might not be quite as severe for the passers under the microscope this week, but the impact could come just as suddenly.

Click here for more from our 2014 NFL preview.

I’m starting today with one of the league’s more frustrating passers. Andy Dalton is in the final year of his rookie deal, and it’s still unclear whether the Bengals should treat him as a problem to be dismissed or a solution to be retained. More crucially, Dalton continues to receive steady support from the decision-makers in Cincinnati. Head coach Marvin Lewis backed Dalton after his third straight loss in the wild-card round in January, while star wideout A.J. Green characterized Dalton as “my guy” in July. Even new offensive coordinator Hue Jackson suggested that Dalton was “on the cusp of something really good” in April.

For what it’s worth, you can make a statistical case that Dalton is a worthwhile passer. Many of his rate statistics — yards per attempt, touchdown percentage, passer rating, and QBR — have improved during each of his three professional seasons, even as he’s thrown more frequently. He hasn’t missed a start and hasn’t even shown up on the injury report since Week 1 of the 2012 season. The Cincinnati passing attack has even ranked in the top 12 in passing DVOA twice during Dalton’s three seasons. And as I mentioned in the Trade Value Column, Dalton is a winner; during his first three seasons, Dalton has won 30 games and made the playoffs three times. The only other quarterbacks in league history to do that are Dan Marino (yay!) and Joe Flacco ( … OK?).

And all of that doesn’t seem to matter, because Dalton has been awful in the playoffs. It’s a problem that destroyed Cincinnati in last year’s loss to the Chargers and, left unsolved, will almost certainly prevent him from leading the Bengals — or any other NFL team — to a Super Bowl. Andy Dalton is not without merit, but he has one major problem that needs to be corrected: He can’t reliably handle pass pressure.

Dalton comes from the Kevin Kolb and Blaine Gabbert school, which is a school that should probably be shut down, demolished, and declared a Superfund site. Quarterbacks in this class often struggle to diagnose pressure before the snap and do a subpar job of capturing who exactly is coming at them when defenses disguise their blitzers. Even worse, when they do feel even the tiniest bit of pressure heading in their direction, passers like Kolb and Gabbert bail out of the pocket and frantically sprint toward the sideline like ants trying to escape feet. The coup de grâce is a dangerous pass, one often thrown to the first hint of a friendly uniform without resetting and reexamining the field to see where defenders have settled.

The numbers suggest that Dalton just crumbles when attacked. It’s not as simple as merely big-blitzing Dalton and having him panic; the Bengals have a very good offensive line, and when that line keeps the opposition off Dalton, he remains a league-average passer. To pick an all-inclusive stat, QBR2 pegs Dalton as the 23rd-best quarterback in football over his three years as a pro, with a cumulative QBR of 51.5. When teams rush Dalton with five men or more, his QBR falls to 47.0, but since everybody’s a little worse when they’re blitzed, that’s good enough for 21st in the league.

2. I will not pretend QBR is perfect, but for the purposes of what we’re talking about here, it will work fine. You can use adjusted net yards per attempt or passer rating or another white-box statistic and the findings won’t be dramatically different.

When the blitzes actually make it home? That’s when Dalton falls apart. Naturally, everybody gets worse under these circumstances. No quarterback wants to run through his reads with J.J. Watt bearing down. That’s human nature. Among the 34 quarterbacks with 500 or more dropbacks over this three-year stretch, the average passer’s QBR was cut by more than half (52.4 percent) when he was either hassled or hit by a pass-rusher. Dalton is not so lucky. Already just a league-average quarterback when nobody’s bothering him, Dalton’s QBR under duress falls to a lowly 11.1, a drop of 81.4 percent. That leaves him as the fifth-most stressed by pressure, and the four guys in front of him don’t make for a bright future:

QB QBR Unrushed QBR Rushed Diff. Pct.
Mark Sanchez 41.0 2.6 38.4 93.7%
Sam Bradford 55.0 4.8 50.2 91.3%
Brandon Weeden 34.0 4.6 29.4 86.5%
Matt Hasselbeck 62.3 8.8 53.5 85.9%
Andy Dalton 59.6 11.1 48.5 81.4%
Gabbert (17.6) actually has a higher QBR under pressure than Dalton. There are several good passers just below Dalton who suffer dramatically with pressure in their face, like Peyton Manning (86.8 QBR without pressure, 26.7 QBR under duress) and Drew Brees (80.3 QBR without pressure, 26.5 QBR under duress), but they’re so good when not bothered that they can slip by. Dalton can’t; over the past three years, when hit or hurried, Dalton’s gone 72-of-217 (33.2 percent) for 932 yards (4.3 yards per attempt) with eight touchdowns and seven interceptions.3

3. By the way, the two quarterbacks who actually posted a better QBR under pressure over the past three years than they did without anybody bothering them: Ben Roethlisberger (a tiny increase from 59.7 without pressure to 60.5 under duress) and, more notably, Jay Cutler (56.0 without pressure, 61.4 with a man on). Practice makes perfect for those two.

What has kept Dalton afloat has been the fact that teams don’t get to him all that often. As previously mentioned, Dalton has had one of the league’s best lines during his time in Cincinnati, and former offensive coordinator Jay Gruden was very aggressive about getting the ball out of Dalton’s hands quickly with screens and quick passes. Teams were also naturally afraid of blitzing because it would leave the terrifying Green one-on-one with a cornerback. As a result, Dalton rarely gets hit or hurried. According to ESPN Stats & Information, Dalton has been under duress on just 15.9 percent of his dropbacks over the past three seasons, the fourth-lowest rate among our 34 regulars. Only Tom Brady, Hasselbeck, and Manning were under duress less frequently over that time frame. That figure falls to 12 percent on plays in which teams rush four.4 Dalton can’t handle pressure, but his saving grace is that he sees it less than just about anybody else in the league. That’s a warning for any team with a middling line that might think about acquiring him next offseason, by the way.

4. When teams have rushed four against Manning over the past two seasons (technically the past three, but he wasn’t around in 2011), they’ve gotten pressure just 9.1 percent of the time. To contrast, when teams rush four against Russell Wilson, they’ve gotten pressure 26.2 percent of the time.

In a way, Dalton’s fatal flaw helps explain why he’s been so disappointing in the playoffs. Observers have been distracted by the wrong problem. It’s not that Dalton can’t handle the big game or the bright lights of January; it’s that he’s drawn a series of teams in the playoffs that were awful matchups for his weakness, notably the Houston Texans. Under Wade Phillips, the Texans blitzed five or more players more often than just about anybody else in football; according to Football Outsiders, they were one of the six teams most likely to send both five and six-plus rushers at the opposing quarterback in 2011 and in 2012.

As frequently as the Texans rushed Dalton with blitzes during their pair of playoff wins against the Bengals,5 the Chargers really turned things around during last season’s wild-card round by bringing heavy pressure. Dalton got off to a hot start in that game, and despite losing a likely touchdown when Gio Bernard fumbled inside the San Diego 5-yard line, he drove his team back downfield for a field goal to go up 10-7 at the stroke of halftime. Up to that point, the Chargers had sent five rushers or more on just six of Dalton’s 18 dropbacks, producing four incompletions (including a pair of missed open receivers), a checkdown for no gain, and a four-yard touchdown pass on a play in which Dalton did a good job of noticing pressure and getting the ball out at the last possible second.

5. Before turning the spigot off once they got ahead by multiple scores in the second half of that 2011 playoff contest.

It’s pretty clear that Chargers defensive coordinator John Pagano decided he was going to go after Dalton during halftime, because the Chargers suddenly got far more aggressive. It very well might have won them the game. Dalton dropped back seven times on Cincinnati’s three ensuing possessions, and the Chargers brought a blitz of five or more or an exotic look (like a four-man zone blitz) on five of those plays. Those seven plays:

Time Down Distance Rushers Type Notes
13:32 2 7 4 slot blitz Dalton gets happy feet, scrambles for three yards
12:49 3 4 3 Dalton gets happy feet and scrambles again without a clear plan; he tries to step up but is sacked
6:41 1 10 5 zone blitz Scrambles again, can’t find passing lane to check down, sacked
5:57 2 14 5 Pressure up middle, forced to desperately throw dangerous pass away
5:51 3 14 3 Scrambles with nobody open, dives forward for first down but fumbles without being touched and Chargers recover
1:24 2 8 5 Pressure up middle, scrambles and desperately throws ball away again
1:19 3 8 5 Pressure up middle, throws awkward pass off back foot without resetting, easy pick
The Chargers began that stretch down 10-7; by the time Cincinnati touched the ball again afterward, San Diego was up 20-10. Here’s the final play from that series, a classic example of Dalton gone wrong:



ESPN The Magazine‘s Kevin Van Valkenburg recently relayed a quick story on Twitter about how LeBron James once stunned a reporter by detailing where everybody else was on the floor in the middle of a play from memory. It’s impossible to quantify, but good quarterbacks seem to have the ability to keep track of where defenders are on the field, even as they’re pressured or after they’ve been forced to scramble out of the pocket. Lesser quarterbacks simply don’t have that ability — I once wrote about Michael Vick regularly struggling with this exact issue. It’s the exact problem you see in that GIF with Dalton, who in an attempt to avoid the pressure throws the pass off his back foot at the first sliver of Bengals jersey he sees. It’s an unforgivably bad throw.

Let’s contrast. Here’s a GIF of Dalton’s very next pass, a good throw against pressure:



This throw came early in the fourth quarter, after Dalton’s disastrous run against the blitz at the beginning of the second half. He’s facing exactly the sort of zone blitz that gives him problems; San Diego disguises who’s coming at the snap, overloads by bringing a defensive back off the edge, and drops a lineman back into coverage on the opposite side. Whether it’s because he’d had Gruden screaming at him on the sideline or came down with a momentary lapse of pocket presence, Dalton manages this perfectly: He doesn’t abandon his dropback or falter in his footwork, stays in the shotgun pocket created for him by the line, and makes a precise, strong throw to the outside to an open Green. Pagano would blitz him on the next pass play and Dalton would check down to an open Bernard for a first down, at which point the Chargers stopped blitzing; Dalton dropped back 32 more times and the Chargers brought five or more twice.6 If you make these sorts of throws, you discourage the opposing team from blitzing. If you don’t, big-blitzing coordinators are going to eat you alive.

6. Some of which surely is because they were up multiple touchdowns.

It’s hard to say whether it’s even possible for Dalton to improve. Handling the pass rush could be an innate thing, or something you have to learn at the NCAA level before having any hope of doing so at NFL speed. We don’t have enough data to provide examples of guys who struggled with blitzes at the beginning of their careers before rapidly improving, and anecdotal examples aren’t coming to mind. It’s easier to think of players like David Carr and Patrick Ramsey, passers who were hit so many times at the beginning of their careers that they seemed to get contact-shy and never got back on track. Dalton will have a new offensive coordinator this offseason in Jackson, who will shift Gruden’s version of the West Coast offense into a more run-oriented scheme. That could help keep Dalton out of obvious passing situations, but the switch also makes it more likely Dalton will line up under center and take more traditional dropbacks, from which it’s harder to see the field and make the sort of quick passes that eliminate the possibility of pressure. In any case, after three seasons at the helm, there’s no Dalton excuse that will satisfy his critics. Nothing short of a playoff win will justify a big new contract for Dalton in Cincinnati. And that playoff win is going to be hard to come by unless Dalton can handle the rush.

And Now … a Word From Chris B. Brown

Even though the evidence seems to point in opposite directions — solid if unspectacular regular-season statistics and 30 wins in three seasons versus three miserable playoff flameouts — we actually know a lot about Dalton: He is, almost certainly, just a guy; good enough to win with but not nearly good enough to win because of. As Barnwell points out, the biggest issue holding Dalton back is that his fundamentals fall to pieces when under pressure, and for a guy who lacks both a big arm and pinpoint accuracy, that’s not good, and it’s also not a trait easily coached away. Barnwell picked out a good example of “bad Dalton” from Cincinnati’s playoff loss to San Diego last season, but he could’ve picked all manner of plays from that game that looked basically the same, all of which were inexcusable for an NFL starting quarterback.

In fairness to Dalton, the Bengals had issues in pass protection against San Diego, but what really worries me is that his mechanics and poise (the two are, unsurprisingly, very often related) tend to deteriorate not only in the face of successful pressure, as was the case against the Chargers, but also when he’s presented with just the threat of pressure.



There was no reason in the above play for Dalton to hurl the ball directly at Jim Leonhard, as he had plenty of time to find another receiver, move in the pocket, or even just throw it away. But in going back over his season, there were lots of plays like this, particularly against teams with varying fronts and blitzes; for example, Dalton threw a staggering seven interceptions in two games against Baltimore.

It’s a shame because when he has a comfortable pocket, Dalton is able to show everyone what his coaches clearly see in him, namely that he understands defenses, route concepts, and even how to look defenders off and throw with anticipation before his receivers make their breaks. Unfortunately for Dalton, the threat of pressure can’t be wished away in the NFL.

One question often asked about Dalton is whether his background with the spread offense in college helped or hurt him. It probably helped, but it’s hard to say. TCU — the rare college spread offense team that boasted top-five defenses while Dalton was there — ran a standard spread: multiple receiver formations, a mix of inside zone and read-option runs, coupled with quick passes and a bevy of screens, which sounds a lot like what he did in Cincinnati under Gruden, minus the emphasis on read-options.7 Dalton’s other top passing concepts at TCU are also found in NFL playbooks, and the reality is that he’s going on Year 4 as a starting quarterback — he’s had plenty of opportunities to adapt to the pro game.

7. Dalton will forever have a footnote in the annals of football strategy, because he — of all people — was the first quarterback at a major college to run the “inverted veer” play, which Cam Newton rode to a Heisman Trophy at Auburn and since has infiltrated the NFL and become ubiquitous in college and high school football.

In Dalton’s favor, however, is something very important: He has a great set of weapons around him, led by Green. And, at least up until this year, I thought Dalton also benefited from an offensive scheme that played to his strengths, featuring clear, straightforward throws to Green and Marvin Jones on the outside as well as a variety of screens and quick hitters underneath to Tyler Eifert and the electric Bernard. Nevertheless, with Jackson calling plays, my bet is that, unless Bernard explodes and carries the load for the offense (certainly possible), it’s likely we’ll see more bad Dalton than good in 2014.

Pasta Little Brioni 08-04-2014 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 10793335)
0-3 in the playoffs with 1 TD and 6 INTs

Franchise! Smith socks/ CP dipshits

RunKC 08-04-2014 08:33 AM

$115 million is more than everyone except Cutler and Flacco. Just insane

tecumseh 08-04-2014 08:34 AM

What an overreach. Didn't think they'd go so high what with the AJ McCarron signing.

BigBeauford 08-04-2014 08:36 AM

To be fair, didn't really see Alex Smith throwing for 33 TD's and going to the playoffs in his first 3 years.

MahiMike 08-04-2014 08:42 AM

Some guys/ coaches get lucky with their teams. Still can't believe Marvin Lewis is coaching there.

mcaj22 08-04-2014 08:45 AM

He can literally thank AJ Green for that contract.

-King- 08-04-2014 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 10793380)
Some guys/ coaches get lucky with their teams. Still can't believe Marvin Lewis is coaching there.

Why? He's a decent coach. Always has the Bengals contending in a tough division.
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Reaper16 08-04-2014 08:47 AM

I wonder if anything in the NFL this year will be funnier than this contract extension.

BossChief 08-04-2014 08:49 AM

These new qb deals look insane until you start to look at how its built. The overall numbers usually are a sign of the organization trying to give a confidence boost to the player. Something like "We think you are gonna be a superbowl winning quarterback for us and that's what the entirety of the deal is built for...now go out there and earn it"...but the always have verbage built in that allows the team to move on if the player doesn't produce at the level of the contract.

Id bet this is really a 3 year deal.

Fritz88 08-04-2014 08:49 AM

Teams want playoffs. If the QB gets you there, he's getting paid.

It is a business and making the playoffs will make your franchise $$
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TEX 08-04-2014 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 10793392)
I wonder if anything in the NFL this year will be funnier than this contract extension.

Good question. I thought the Raiders picking up Matt Schaub and paying him $10+ Million was funny, but this trumps it. I'd like to see the specifics and the guaranteed number. Then it might make more sense.

BossChief 08-04-2014 08:51 AM

I bet the guaranteed money is around 47-53 million and there is a big roster bonus in year 4.

ILChief 08-04-2014 08:51 AM

Is Clay the Bengals' GM?

RunKC 08-04-2014 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10793402)
I bet the guaranteed money is around 47-53 million and there is a big roster bonus in year 4.

Roster and signing bonus increase is the loop hole in the cap number since it lowers the base salary, right? Or Do I have that wrong?

MahiMike 08-04-2014 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 10793391)
Why? He's a decent coach. Always has the Bengals contending in a tough division.
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He has had some of the best WRs, RBs in the league and never won a playoff game. He would never lasted this long anywhere else.

Sweet Daddy Hate 08-04-2014 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 10793330)
CP surely will meltdown now...

Why would I meltdown over Dalton? I will surely wait until KC goes full-reerun.

CoMoChief 08-04-2014 09:01 AM

Welp, Alex Smith's deal just got bigger.

****, man. Best scenario is to hope that we struck gold in Bray or Murray.

Daniel most certainly will be cut.

I know QB is important, but I sure as **** don't want to overpay Alex Smith too much. And that Andy Dalton contract to me, is too much. Houston, Berry, Poe and DJ will each need new deals soon and we desperately need to look at FA for a top tier WR or CB.

the Talking Can 08-04-2014 09:04 AM

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Direckshun 08-04-2014 09:06 AM

Welp. We are never going to sign Alex Smith.

Holy shit.

kcjayhawks5 08-04-2014 09:06 AM

WTF

The Franchise 08-04-2014 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10793402)
I bet the guaranteed money is around 47-53 million and there is a big roster bonus in year 4.

I bet it's structured similar to Kaepernick's deal.

Direckshun 08-04-2014 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10793428)
I bet it's structured similar to Kaepernick's deal.

Explain.

Hoover 08-04-2014 09:12 AM

We need to sign Smith to a deal similar to what Kaepernick signed and be done with it.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...tract-details/

The Franchise 08-04-2014 09:12 AM

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The Franchise 08-04-2014 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 10793429)
Explain.

See the post right below yours.

Hoover 08-04-2014 09:13 AM

osted by Mike Florio on June 5, 2014, 12:46 AM EDT
Kaepernick
AP
In response to our item suggesting that the Colin Kaepernick deal, trumpeted as being worth “up to” $126 million with $61 million guaranteed contains plenty of fluff, a league source with knowledge of the deal sent the details to PFT, and multiple other sources have chimed in on the contents of the contract.

As expected, there’s plenty of fluff.

Technically, the deal has $61 million guaranteed, even though $6 million of the guaranteed salary could evaporate (more on that later). Either way, only $13.073 million is guaranteed at signing. It comes in the form of a $12.328 million signing bonus, a base salary of $645,000, and a workout bonus of $100,000.

For 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, and part of 2018, the base salaries are guaranteed only for injury. On April 1 of each year, the guarantees convert from injury only to fully guaranteed. That gives the 49ers the ability to decide, in any given year, to move on from Kaepernick. And with the deadline for the conversion of the guarantee coming on April 1, the 49ers can squat on his rights until several weeks after the start of free agency, making it harder for him to get paid elsewhere.

The base salary for 2015 is $12.4 million, guaranteed for injury only until April 1, 2015.

For 2016, the base salary is $13.9 million, guaranteed for injury only until April 1, 2016.

For 2017, the base salary is $16.5 million, guaranteed for injury only until April 1, 2017.

For 2018, the base salary is $17 million, $5.2 million of which is guaranteed for injury only until April 1, 2018.

The non-guaranteed base salary for 2019 is $18.8 million, and the non-guaranteed base salary for 2020 is $21 million.

In each year from 2015 through 2020, however, there’s a catch. A big one. The total payout potentially de-escalates by $2 million per year, with up to $12 million potentially going away.

Kaepernick can halt the de-escalation by taking, in any year of the deal, 80 percent of the snaps and if: (1) the 49ers appear in the Super Bowl; or (2) Kaepernick is named a first-team or second-team All-Pro. If he satisfies the requirement in 2014, the full $12 million remains. If he fails in 2014 but succeeds in 2015, $10 million stays. If he does it for the first time in 2016, $8 million remains. If he does it for the first time in 2017, $6 million stays — and so on until 2019, when if he satisfies the requirement that year for the first time $2 million stays in the deal for 2010.

It’s a convoluted way to pump up the base value of the deal artificially, allowing Kaepernick and his agents to claim that the deal is better than it will be, unless he satisfies the requirements to stop the de-escalator this year.

The contract also includes, starting in 2015, a whopping $2 million per year in per-game roster bonuses, an amount that one source characterized as “massive” in comparison to similar deals. It means that, for every game Kaepernick misses due to injury after the 2014 season, he loses $125,000.

Starting in 2015, $400,000 per year is tied to workout bonuses, which adds up to $2.4 million of the base value.

The contract also requires Kaepernick to purchase, with after-tax dollars, a disability policy that pays the 49ers $20 million if he suffers a career-ending injury.

As one source put it, Kaepernick can feel good about the deal because he has a lot more guaranteed money today than he had yesterday. But the same source also added that the 49ers are nevertheless “thrilled” with the contract, which allows them to control Kaepernick’s rights for seven years and to move on after any of the next six seasons, if they ultimately decide that Kaepernick is more like the guy who struggled at times during the 2013 regular season and less like the guy who found the gas pedal in the playoffs.

If they keep him, the average payout will be low in comparison to other franchise quarterbacks, and the difference will become glaring as other franchise quarterbacks get new deals under a salary cap that is expected to continue to spike.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...tract-details/

Eleazar 08-04-2014 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 10793421)
Welp, Alex Smith's deal just got bigger.

****, man. Best scenario is to hope that we struck gold in Bray or Murray.

Daniel most certainly will be cut.

1. LMAO

2. Daniel is not getting cut. Either Bray will get cut or Bray will be 3rd and Murray will go to the practice squad.

Sweet Daddy Hate 08-04-2014 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 10793424)
Welp. We are never going to sign Alex Smith.

Holy shit.

I'm sorry, tears of joy are obscuring my vision. Can you repeat?

WakkaWakka 08-04-2014 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 10793392)
I wonder if anything in the NFL this year will be funnier than this contract extension.

When Alex Smith gets his contract extension. This place will explode! It will be hilarious! LMAO

Mav 08-04-2014 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10793428)
I bet it's structured similar to Kaepernick's deal.

He got more guaranteed money than kaepernick according to nfl network

Just Passin' By 08-04-2014 09:29 AM

According to NFL Network, it's a Kaepernick type deal that allows for an easy exit after 2 years.

Mav 08-04-2014 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by WakkaWakka (Post 10793459)
When Alex Smith gets his contract extension. This place will explode! It will be hilarious! LMAO

If Andy Reid is here, alex Smith will be. People unable to accept that, are living in a fantasy.

l4z4rd 08-04-2014 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by BigBeauford (Post 10793374)
To be fair, didn't really see Alex Smith throwing for 33 TD's and going to the playoffs in his first 3 years.

Alex didn't have a loaded roster like Dalton in his first 3 seasons.

KCUnited 08-04-2014 09:33 AM

That'll buy a LOT of sunscreen.

The Franchise 08-04-2014 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 10793462)
According to NFL Network, it's a Kaepernick type deal that allows for an easy exit after 2 years.

Pretty much what I expected. Nobody is giving THAT much money to Dalton without having an escape plan.

LoneWolf 08-04-2014 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 10793424)
Welp. We are never going to sign Alex Smith.

Holy shit.

I guarantee that KC resigns Smith. If I'm wrong, I will not post on CP for 1 hour. They will structure a deal for Smith that has a cap hit of around 15-17 per year with a way to easily dump him after 2 years.

LoneWolf 08-04-2014 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 10793466)
That'll buy a LOT of sunscreen.

ROFL It's funny because he's a ginger. ROFL

TEX 08-04-2014 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 10793476)
I guarantee that KC resigns Smith. If I'm wrong, I will not post on CP for 1 hour. They will structure a deal for Smith that has a cap hit of around 15-17 per year with a way to easily dump him after 2 years.

I bet you're right.

Pasta Little Brioni 08-04-2014 09:54 AM

Does anyone really think KC doesn't resign Alex? I know many are dumb an will meltdown (like jd), but it's obvious.

L.A. Chieffan 08-04-2014 09:55 AM

When you got your guy, lock him up.

Bowser 08-04-2014 10:13 AM

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lcarus 08-04-2014 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Fritz88 (Post 10793398)
Teams want playoffs. If the QB gets you there, he's getting paid.

It is a business and making the playoffs will make your franchise $$
Posted via Mobile Device

Plus you gotta figure they'll eventually win a playoff game. Surely they'll get matched up with the Chiefs in a wild card game before long....

Chief Roundup 08-04-2014 10:25 AM

Whether we agree or not the expected contracts for QBs has been set lately. We will have to sign a QB based off of those expectations. A precedent has been set that the Chiefs like any other team will have to meet.

Chiefs=Champions 08-04-2014 10:29 AM

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KC native 08-04-2014 10:33 AM

So who wins a play off game first? Andy with the Bengals or Alex with the Chiefs?

l4z4rd 08-04-2014 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by KC native (Post 10793559)
So who wins a play off game first? Andy with the Bengals or Alex with the Chiefs?

Probably Smith, despite Dalton having a stud roster.

KC native 08-04-2014 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by l4z4rd (Post 10793562)
Probably Smith, despite Dalton having a stud roster.

lol no.

Sweet Daddy Hate 08-04-2014 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball (Post 10793521)
Does anyone really think KC doesn't resign Alex? I know many are dumb an will meltdown (like jd), but it's obvious.

It's obvious that talks will end with the season. Is what it is.

l4z4rd 08-04-2014 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by KC native (Post 10793566)
lol no.

0-3, 718 yds, 1 TD 6 INT says otherwise

KC native 08-04-2014 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by l4z4rd (Post 10793571)
0-3, 718 yds, 1 TD 6 INT says otherwise

Dalton will have at least one more try this year. Chiefs aren't making the playoffs this year.

l4z4rd 08-04-2014 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by KC native (Post 10793574)
Dalton will have at least one more try this year. Chiefs aren't making the playoffs this year.

I guess you do have a point. If the D plays like they did post bye week and into the playoffs, then Dalton has the better chance.

Tombstone RJ 08-04-2014 10:57 AM

welp, there goes any modicum of sensibility when it comes to extending Smith. All Alex has to do is point to the red head's contract and say "see, see what I'm talking about!!!"

Eleazar 08-04-2014 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC native (Post 10793559)
So who wins a play off game first? Andy with the Bengals or Alex with the Chiefs?

Alex has won them before, and was a muffed punt return away from the super bowl once. And last year he was one catch by Bowe away from winning another one. My money is on him.

Msmith 08-04-2014 11:09 AM

How much do you think Luck will sign for his extension, $200 mil?

-King- 08-04-2014 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC native (Post 10793574)
Dalton will have at least one more try this year. Chiefs aren't making the playoffs this year.

Why do the Bengals have a better shot at the playoffs than the chiefs?
Posted via Mobile Device

jd1020 08-04-2014 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 10793601)
Why do the Bengals have a better shot at the playoffs than the chiefs?
Posted via Mobile Device

Better team, worse division, blah blah...

-King- 08-04-2014 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 10793611)
Better team, worse division, blah blah...

They're not that much better, if at all. And their division is still good just not as heavy. They still have to deal with the Ravens, and the Steelers. And the browns aren't the pushover the Raiders are.

We'll see but I see the chiefs and Bengals as even in terms of playoff chances.
Posted via Mobile Device

loochy 08-04-2014 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 10793601)
Why do the Bengals have a better shot at the playoffs than the chiefs?
Posted via Mobile Device

because their name doesn't start with "C" and end in "hiefs".

jd1020 08-04-2014 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 10793623)
They're not that much better, if at all. And their division is still good just not as heavy. They still have to deal with the Ravens, and the Steelers. And the browns aren't the pushover the Raiders are.

We'll see but I see the chiefs and Bengals as even in terms of playoff chances.
Posted via Mobile Device

You might have a point, if it was 3 years ago.

The Bengals are the best team in their division. The Chiefs are 2nd, maybe 3rd best, in theirs.


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