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tk13 07-26-2014 12:45 PM

Browns "alarmed" by some of Manziel's behavior
 
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/inde...e_of_john.html

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Browns 'alarmed' by some of Johnny Manziel's behavior, concerned it's set him back in QB competition, sources say
By Mary Kay Cabot, Northeast Ohio Media Group

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Browns have been 'alarmed' by some of Johnny Manziel's antics since the draft -- especially a photo of him rolling up a $20 bill in the bathroom of a bar -- and some in the organization feel he's lost ground in the quarterback competition heading into camp, sources have told Northeast Ohio Media Group.

After the suspicious photo of Manziel tightly rolling up the bill surfaced on July 7, Browns coach Mike Pettine called Manziel from his vacation in Hawaii and addressed it, he told NEOMG on Monday. The conversation was 'positive' but he also planned to talk to Manziel face-to-face when he arrived for the rookie portion of camp on Wednesday.

Manziel regressed in practice after the first week of organized team activities, and some in the organization attributed it to too much jet-setting and not enough dedication to the playbook.

Team officials had bought into Manziel's pre-draft promises to tone down the partying and leave his frat-boy lifestyle back in College Station, Texas, and they've been stunned by his non-stop antics, sources said.

Since they traded up to draft him in the first round, No. 22 overall, on May 8, he's partied hard in New York City, Las Vegas twice, Los Angeles with hip-hop star Drake, Austin, Tex., Houston, Tex. and at pop star Justin Bieber's house in Beverly Hills with the likes of world boxing champ Floyd Mayweather.

The romp across the country -- complete with photos of him drinking magnums of champagne and spraying it around clubs -- has been completely opposite of what Manziel told the Browns during his private workout for them at Texas A&M and during his pre-draft visit to Cleveland. It's also been contrary to what he said publicly in the months leading up to the draft and after the Browns traded up to No. 22 to select him.

In an interview with John McLain of the Houston Chronicle in February, Manziel vowed to shed his Johnny Football personna and TMZ lifestyle.

"I was a kid who made some goofball decisions," he said. "That's been part of my journey. Maybe it's part of the whole Johnny Football deal that I'm trying to get away from. I'm trying to show people I've grown up and I've learned from my experiences. I feel like you're a stupid person if you continue to make the same wrong decisions. I don't want to hear, 'Oh, anybody in his situation would have been doing the same thing.' I'm 100 percent responsible for my actions."

He also said, "Johnny Football is the stuff you see on TMZ. There's part of that folktale that goes along with it and tries to twist me into somebody I'm not all the time. I feel like now there's kind of like this frozen food package - a prewrapped, precooked package of who I am.

"Johnny Manziel is the guy that - whether it's Houston, Jacksonville, Cleveland or Oakland - you'll have to drag off that field before I stop playing for those guys. Those are my teammates. Those are my brothers from now on. I'm going to fight until there's no time left on the clock. That's Johnny Manziel.''

That's the Johnny Manziel the Browns thought they were getting, the one that seemed to grow up before the world's eyes in the months leading up to the draft.

Manziel's agent, Erik Burkhardt, shielded him from the spotlight during the pre-draft process, keeping him away from the Super Bowl festivities in New York City and sharply limiting his interviews. Meanwhile, Manziel spent his days and nights working out with quarterback guru and Massillon native George Whitfield in San Diego, where Whitfield honed his skills and improved his pocket presence considerably.

At his Pro Day at Texas A&M, Manziel re-iterated that he was a new man, dedicated to becoming a Super Bowl-winning quarterback.

"I just want to let these guys know that my focus is football. This is my life. This is what I love to do. I've never been more dedicated and committed in my entire life. I'm so excited. I understand the challenge and the jump. There's no denying that,'' he told NFL Network. "I want to be one of those (stars) one day. ...whether it's Peyton Manning, whether it's Tom Brady, I see what it takes for them to be great. You have to be dedicated to it 100 percent that way.''

And on draft weekend, Manziel vowed to keep his promise.

"I know I need to put all my time right now into maintaining my life in football and trying to be as good of a quarterback as possible,'' he said. "Everything else is extra and really there's no time for that now. I'm very committed to expanding my knowledge of the game and getting better as a quarterback. That's my focus right now.''

Two weeks later, he boarded a plane for Vegas over Memorial Day Weekend and the perpetual bachelor party was on.

Pettine remained unfazed through most of the twitter and Instagram posts, the inflatable swans, the money phones and the Bieber blowout, but became concerned -- along with everyone else in the organization -- when the bill-rolling photo landed.

In addition to calling Manziel, Pettine got on the horn with some of Manziel's college coaches and was assured he'd buckle down once camp started.

"I know as committed he is to football, once the season starts, it should not be an issue,'' Pettine said. "People who know him have said it will stop.''



Impact on the quarterback competition

But as this week has worn on, Pettine seems to have changed his tune on the quarterback competition.

On Monday, he told cleveland.com that although Brian Hoyer is starting out No. 1 on the depth chart, he views the competition "as open'' and vowed to give Hoyer and Manziel reps with "the same supporting cast'' to make it as fair and even as possible.

By Wednesday afternoon, after meeting with offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan and quarterbacks coach Dowell Loggains, Pettine told a second wave of reporters in one-on-one interviews that Manziel wouldn't be getting reps with the first team offense during the early days of training camp, which begins Saturday.

"Well, they're going to compete, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they're going to take equal time with the ones," Pettine told The Chronicle-Telegram. "Brian is the starting quarterback right now, we can still evaluate Johnny's reps regardless of who he's out there with. I think a lot will be made of, wait a minute, he hasn't been with the (ones). To me, it's something that we can still evaluate, give him a specific grade based on his footwork, how he called the play, what he read during that play — all the stuff that's in his control.

"It doesn't matter what group he's with, he's still getting graded. That'll be a big part of the evaluation, it won't be how he did when he was necessarily with a certain group."

Pettine, who will name his starter before the third preseason game Aug. 23, also cautioned that it will be tough for Manziel beat out Hoyer for the starting job.

"I would say it's a tall task, for a couple reasons," Pettine said. "One, he's a rookie coming in learning the system. It's not like (Miami's Ryan) Tannehill, who came in running his college system. He's learning something that's completely new to him, so he's got all new verbiage and reads and that type of thing working against him.

"And then the guy he's competing with is an NFL veteran who's learned from one of the best in the game, who's very prepared, very focused. It's a very true statement, it will be difficult."

Indeed, Hoyer, who's coming off a torn anterior cruciate ligament, has taken only five days off since returning from his October surgery and is determined to stave off the Heisman Trophy winner, who made a bold proclamation to the Houston Chronicle in February.

"People can call me crazy, and it's not cockiness, (but) I'm going to put myself in (position) to win the Super Bowl every single year," Manziel said. "A 5-10 guy (Russell Wilson) just won the Super Bowl in his second year in the NFL. That's unreal. I want to be the first rookie to win the Super Bowl."

Other sources have said it's still truly an open competition and no one knows how it will play out yet, in part because the club hasn't yet seen Hoyer operate in the new offense in 11-on-11s yet. However, he's been cleared for full action in camp, and the Browns want him to start catching up right away.



Don't bet against Manziel

A source close to Manziel said he's been working hard behind the scenes, bulking up some and even going back out to San Diego to work with Whitfield, who was recently hired as an assistant coach with the 49ers.

"People said all of this stuff about Johnny after he won the Heisman as a freshman, that he was out partying too much,'' said the source. "But he came back even stronger his second year and arguably played better against Alabama and other teams as a sophomore. He'll come into camp with the right mindset -- to be better tomorrow than he is today.''

The source said Manziel made huge strides from his first year to second year at Texas A&M and "he's got to be out there doing something right when the whole world's not watching to make those types of improvements. There are no stories around the weight room. The stories are when he's out with a rock star.

Whitfield, who's no longer allowed to speak at length about Manziel because he works for the 49ers, would at least allow that learning from Hoyer will be the best thing that happens to Manziel.

"Brian Hoyer is going to have a very big impact on Johnny learning how to be a professional,'' said Whitfield. "He's a blue-chip quarterback. Everything Johnny needs to learn from a true professional is there in Brian and Johnny's talked about that. He's learned from him already and what kind of example he sets. Every day he gets to go to work with and sit next to a guy that's done it in Brian.''

Sources said Manziel looked sharp on his first day of practice Thursday and had a good grasp of the plays being run, a sign that he's had his nose in the playbook.

"People will see how hard Johnny works once this thing gets rolling,'' said a source. "He'll get more mature as he goes along. He's 21 and people want him to be 35. I would not count him out.''

Bowser 07-26-2014 12:53 PM

LMAO

What did Cleveland actually expect was going to happen, anyway?

TLO 07-26-2014 12:55 PM

Shits given = 0

Bowser 07-26-2014 12:56 PM

"At Lest We're Not Cleveland"

I think those t-shirts would sell.

Dayze 07-26-2014 12:56 PM

this is going to be great entertainment watching this kid crash and burn.

Hog's Gone Fishin 07-26-2014 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 10768444)
this is going to be great entertainment watching this kid WIN Cleveland its first Superbowl.


;)

BlackHelicopters 07-26-2014 01:16 PM

No1curr

teedubya 07-26-2014 01:18 PM

Cleveland has LeBron back, they don't care.

TribalElder 07-26-2014 02:00 PM

Johnny who...

Tebow part 2 without a playoff win

New World Order 07-26-2014 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 10768444)
this is going to be great entertainment watching this kid crash and burn.


With no Josh Gordon it is going to get ugly.

chiefzilla1501 07-26-2014 02:11 PM

I don't know if Manziel will ever grow up. I do know that Pettine is the one of the last coaches in the league I would want handling him. On the bright side, maybe Ray Farmer has an excuse now for Pettine to fall on his sword.

DaNewGuy 07-26-2014 02:13 PM

I honestly hope he does well so all the people obsessed over wanting to watch him fail can cry themselves to sleep

Stewie 07-26-2014 02:16 PM

Are we to assume he was snorting cocaine?

Pepe Silvia 07-26-2014 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 10768444)
this is going to be great entertainment watching this kid crash and burn.

This, This, Oh and this.

Pasta Little Brioni 07-26-2014 02:18 PM

Can't wait for this douche to fail and that scumbag Peydatons career to end

Dunerdr 07-26-2014 02:19 PM

Won't be shit without Gordon.

Mr. Laz 07-26-2014 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 10768562)
Won't be shit without Gordon.

Receivers don't matter, QB makes the team/CP

DaNewGuy 07-26-2014 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 10768566)
Receivers don't matter, QB makes the team/CP

Pretty much look what we worked with last year, Smith is not an elite Qb but he got the ball to our dumpster fire of receivers.

Simply Red 07-26-2014 02:30 PM

I don't really care either way for Manziel - Seriously he doesn't bother me - nor am I pulling for him.

I think he arrived when the sports world was slow - and the NFL news was hurting - so they sort of started Media Stalking him - & all of the stories sort of stuck. There is a lot of this nonsense and it is because people (namely the media) are so nosey - The kid seems confident and a good enough kid. It's all pretty reeruned how the media can't let a guy just live his life and feel stuff out on his/their own. Meh. That's how I feel about stories on him.

Red Dawg 07-26-2014 02:43 PM

Johnny has been out getting paid and laid. That's what a 21 year old kid who has always been rich would do. I can't believe they are surprised.

alpha_omega 07-26-2014 04:23 PM

****ing duh!

Mav 07-26-2014 04:29 PM

Haha. Crash Johnny. Crash and burn you piece of shit.

kcxiv 07-26-2014 04:36 PM

Hope he does well so he can say **** all yall

beach tribe 07-26-2014 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Stewie (Post 10768554)
Are we to assume he was snorting cocaine?

Shooting spit wads, man. Duh.

I don't think snorting coke..or whatever is actually as big a problem as being stupid enough to let someone take a picture of your pre-snort ritual..

OldSchool 07-26-2014 04:50 PM

Hahahaha, as I expected of him.

Simply Red 07-26-2014 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 10768818)
Shooting spit wads, man. Duh.

I don't think snorting coke..or whatever is actually as big a problem as being stupid enough to let someone take a picture of your pre-snort ritual..

eeek - yeah - I forgot about that, not real bright there, of him. Damn man. :doh!:

Sandy Vagina 07-26-2014 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DaNewGuy (Post 10768548)
I honestly hope he does well so all the people obsessed over wanting to watch him fail can cry themselves to sleep

I want him to fail too, but I doubt anyone really cares enough to lament over his success, should he achieve it.

sedated 07-26-2014 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10768545)
I don't know if Manziel will ever grow up.

Lol, isnt he only 22? I get he is a 1st round NFL pick, but this statement is just what to expect from a middle-aged sports fan. Lets give him a saeson before we start throwing around "ever".

Is being a partier a red-flag for a QB prospect, absolutely. He will learn that he has to dedicate himself or he will be out of the league fast.

Bwana 07-26-2014 05:12 PM

http://c2.nrostatic.com/sites/defaul...-Wreck-Old.jpg

Bowser 07-26-2014 05:15 PM

Frankly, I'm shocked that the Browns are surprised he didn't stop partying cold turkey and just focus on the playbook full time.

tecumseh 07-26-2014 05:24 PM

Gotta admit I'm sucked into the hype. Can't wait to see this kid take his first snap on Sunday. No matter how he pans out, a curiosity. I wouldn't want him at this point though.

cmh6476 07-26-2014 05:35 PM

He'd probably be as fun to party with as the wolf of wall street

MMXcalibur 07-26-2014 05:45 PM

The Cleveland Browns need to relocate.
Again.

alpha_omega 07-26-2014 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fruit Ninja (Post 10768805)
Hope he does well so he can say **** all yall

It's possible. But I'll stick with him being a wasted pick.

TLO 07-26-2014 06:19 PM

I'm too young to remember when Ryan Leaf was drafted.... did he act the same way?

Chiefshrink 07-26-2014 06:22 PM

They aren't surprised by his behavior. They knew who they were getting.

Ray Farmer: "Johnny, it's Ray Farmer, bring your playbook. NOT !!!:D

Simply Red 07-26-2014 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 10768578)
I don't really care either way for Manziel - Seriously he doesn't bother me - nor am I pulling for him.

I think he arrived when the sports world was slow - and the NFL news was hurting - so they sort of started Media Stalking him - & all of the stories sort of stuck. There is a lot of this nonsense and it is because people (namely the media) are so nosey - The kid seems confident and a good enough kid. It's all pretty reeruned how the media can't let a guy just live his life and feel stuff out on his/their own. Meh. That's how I feel about stories on him.

I hate to quote myself - and I never do - but I would like to modify this post - I had totally forgotten about the coke straw. That was really dumb and WTF is with using coke, period?! Yeah - that in itself makes my first comment only about half true. Just wanted to get that corrected, somewhat. ;)

Dayze 07-26-2014 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 10768470)
;)

.....I don't even want to think about a scenario like that.
:banghead:

Jiu Jitsu Jon 07-26-2014 09:48 PM

What's the over/under on how many games until fans are chanting "Johnny Football" *CLAP, CLAP, CLAP-CLAP-CLAP*?

TinyEvel 07-26-2014 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Smoke (Post 10769009)
I'm too young to remember when Ryan Leaf was drafted.... did he act the same way?



I'm thinking more Matt Leinart.

RealSNR 07-26-2014 10:16 PM

So the "I'm having fun" explanation was essentially...

Pettine: "Johnny, we want you to cut the crap and ****ing work at playing QB"

Manziel: "Yolo, brolo"

What a jizz-gargling douchebag

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 07-26-2014 10:44 PM

Nothing new. Come game time, he's always the one waving his dick around

Hamwallet 07-26-2014 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by tecumseh (Post 10768884)
Gotta admit I'm sucked into the hype. Can't wait to see this kid take his first snap on Sunday. No matter how he pans out, a curiosity. I wouldn't want him at this point though.

Same here. I would like to see the kid bring some fun to Cleveland football.

Dylan 07-26-2014 11:12 PM

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Football Browns "alarmed" by some of Manziel's behavior
Well, that did not take long...

http://sports.cbsimg.net/u/photos/fo...mg24449777.jpg

ClevelandBronco 07-26-2014 11:20 PM

The headline and lead (lede, if you prefer) mention that the Browns are "'alarmed.'" It's there in quote marks. The story, however, does not cite a quote from any Browns official that includes the word "alarmed." I wonder whence that word came.

Bufkin 07-27-2014 12:23 AM

The guy is obviously a douche who's probably going to suck as an NFL QB and probably owns more pairs of Sperrys than the entire sigma chi fraternity combined, but I still don't understand why I'm supposed to give two shits about this pussy. Just when you think ESPN is getting back to normal with Tebow falling off the face of the Earth, this jerk-off has to poke himself into the picture.

Jiu Jitsu Jon 07-27-2014 12:46 AM

Glad I got that NFL preseason deal. It'll be interesting to see what happens.

Dylan 07-27-2014 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco (Post 10769627)
The headline and lead (lede, if you prefer) mention that the Browns are "'alarmed.'" It's there in quote marks. The story, however, does not cite a quote from any Browns official that includes the word "alarmed." I wonder whence that word came.

Excerpt: Cleveland Plain Dealer
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Browns coach Mike Pettine called Manziel from his vacation in Hawaii and addressed it, he told NEOMG on Monday. The conversation was 'positive' but he also planned to talk to Manziel face-to-face when he arrived for the rookie portion of camp on Wednesday.

Manziel regressed in practice after the first week of organized team activities, and some in the organization attributed it to too much jet-setting and not enough dedication to the playbook.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/inde...e_of_john.html

Jiu Jitsu Jon 07-27-2014 01:35 AM

"Be sure you tip the strippers according to industry standard, Johnny, otherwise it reflects poorly upon the Browns."

Dylan 07-27-2014 01:43 AM

From The Star Ledger:

Johnny Manziel: 'I've made some rookie mistakes,' but I'm still going to party
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But -- despite the private meetings with the coach and GM, and the likely scolding that came with them -- Manziel said he isn't ready to renounce his nightclub VIP status.

"I don't think there's anything wrong with me going out and having a nightlife, having a social life,'' he said. "I mean I am 21 years old and I do like going out and it was the offseason. It's free time for us and if I want to go out and hang out with my friends or go to nightclubs or do things like that then I think that's within my rights to be doing that and I think there's other guys throughout the league that are doing that and I'm not trying to compare myself to anybody else but I think that's within my rights to be doing that.''
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2..._to_party.html

Bufkin 07-27-2014 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Dylan (Post 10769672)
From The Star Ledger:

Johnny Manziel: 'I've made some rookie mistakes,' but I'm still going to party

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2..._to_party.html

He just doesn't get it.

Mr. Flopnuts 07-27-2014 04:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dylan (Post 10769672)
From The Star Ledger:

Johnny Manziel: 'I've made some rookie mistakes,' but I'm still going to party

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2..._to_party.html

:clap: If you were right, and had some kind of knowledge that the Chiefs were going to draft this kid, God bless you, Cleveland. With your own track record on the line here, let alone Johnny Nightclub's, you've just locked the Chiefs in as the next dynasty in the league with that move in the draft to pick up this little punk.

Hootie 07-27-2014 06:10 AM

I mean...

I don't make a whole lot of money. I'm definitely not an NFL QB.

But for ****'s sake...he's TWENTY ONE. We're chastising him because he likes to GO OUT? Really? Really?

I can only imagine what everyone would of thought of 21 year old Hootie had he been famous and the subject line of every tabloid in America.

It would have been worse than Manziel, no doubt. Thank god I'm not important.

Hootie 07-27-2014 06:12 AM

I don't even like "Johnny Football." But this stuff is making me pull for him more than cheer against him.

Can anyone imagine what Jordan would have been if he played in the Twitter/social media era?

hahaha

Eleazar 07-27-2014 06:15 AM

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In an interview with John McLain of the Houston Chronicle in February, Manziel vowed to shed his Johnny Football personna and TMZ lifestyle.
If he can't get Manziel to stop partying, I don't know who could.

Hootie 07-27-2014 06:31 AM

I tell you what....

I like this media darling a HELL OF A LOT more than Tim Tebow. And it's not even close.

I'll pull for Johnny. I ****ing LOATHED Tebow and his attention whoring bullshit. I'm glad he's dead to everyone.

Hootie 07-27-2014 06:31 AM

when Tebow went on his Denver run...I'm glad I correctly predicted on my Facebook that he'd be out of the league in two years.

He was literally the worst NFL QB I've ever seen.

Bufkin 07-27-2014 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 10769684)
I mean...

I don't make a whole lot of money. I'm definitely not an NFL QB.

But for ****'s sake...he's TWENTY ONE. We're chastising him because he likes to GO OUT? Really? Really?

I can only imagine what everyone would of thought of 21 year old Hootie had he been famous and the subject line of every tabloid in America.

It would have been worse than Manziel, no doubt. Thank god I'm not important.

The "he's TWENTY ONE" defense works if this guy is going into his senior year of college while working at a Kum and Go on weekends. He is the new face of an NFL franchise who is expected to come in and potentially provide immediate improvement.

Bufkin 07-27-2014 06:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 10769698)
when Tebow went on his Denver run...I'm glad I correctly predicted on my Facebook that he'd be out of the league in two years.

He was literally the worst NFL QB I've ever seen.

Enter Johnny Leaf.
http://i2.wp.com/kentsterling.com/wp.../Unknown50.jpg

Hootie 07-27-2014 06:50 AM

I don't really give a **** about that though.

You only get to be 21 one time. Doesn't matter if you're Hootie 2.0 or Johnny Manziel. If he wants to go out, party, be rich, bang young girls, hang out with Bieber...

good for him.

Hootie 07-27-2014 06:51 AM

he could literally never play a down in the NFL and he doesn't compare to Ryan Leaf

Manziel was the 22nd pick, not the 2nd pick

I'll pull for the guy. I think a lot of his haters are simply jealous.

Bufkin 07-27-2014 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 10769716)
he could literally never play a down in the NFL and he doesn't compare to Ryan Leaf

Manziel was the 22nd pick, not the 2nd pick

I'll pull for the guy. I think a lot of his haters are simply jealous.

If Manziel literally never played a down, his TD/INT ratio would look a lot hotter than if he does literally play a down, which unfortunately for his sake will be sooner rather than later. Hopefully his selfie game with Biebs stays hotter than his future QB rating.

I'm not pulling for the guy, because he's a cocky douchebag. As for the expected "you're just jealous" line that usually follows making fun of a reerun, I can't think of one redeeming quality that I'm jealous of in Manziel. I guess he's a millionaire now, but getting drafted by the Browns kinda cancels that out. Partying with Drake is also something that barely misses the cut of things I would be jealous of.

Hog's Gone Fishin 07-27-2014 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric Fisher (Post 10769681)
He just doesn't get it.


He gets it all right. His new name should be "Billy Bad Ass".

The rest of the league will be trying to follow in his footsteps within 3 years.

It'll be expected for football players , and especially QB's to go party every night . everyone will be rolling up twenties ,fifties and hundreds trying to be like Billy bad ass.

Bufkin 07-27-2014 07:05 AM

Also for Manziel's sake, he better pray to Jehovah that Joe Thomas stays healthy when he's spending the entire quarter looking for an open receiver. Otherwise, he''s going to get split open quicker than Michael Sam's Italian boyfriend.

Hog's Gone Fishin 07-27-2014 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 10769697)
I tell you what....

I like this media darling a HELL OF A LOT more than Tim Tebow. And it's not even close.

I'll pull for Johnny. I ****ing LOATHED Tebow and his attention whoring bullshit. I'm glad he's dead to everyone.


THIS ! ALL DAY AND ALL NIGHT !

Hog's Gone Fishin 07-27-2014 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric Fisher (Post 10769722)
Also for Manziel's sake, he better pray to Jehovah that Joe Thomas stays healthy when he's spending the entire quarter looking for an open receiver. Otherwise, he''s going to get split open quicker than Michael Sam's Italian boyfriend.




:LOL:

Bufkin 07-27-2014 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 10769720)
He gets it all right. His new name should be "Billy Bad Ass".

The rest of the league will be trying to follow in his footsteps within 3 years.

It'll be expected for football players , and especially QB's to go party every night . everyone will be rolling up twenties ,fifties and hundreds trying to be like Billy bad ass.

When Ryan Leaf had a post-draft party in Vegas, a lot of people were turned off and questioned where his priorities might be when the season started. Manziel's rookie offseason takes me back to 1998. It's Deja Vu all over again.

With that said, I would be stupid to compare Johnny Manziel to Ryan Leaf. Leaf had a stronger arm, stood 6'6", was better in the pocket coming out of college, and didn't overshoot his deep ball.

milkman 07-27-2014 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 10769716)
he could literally never play a down in the NFL and he doesn't compare to Ryan Leaf

Manziel was the 22nd pick, not the 2nd pick

I'll pull for the guy. I think a lot of his haters are simply jealous.

I don't think it's jealousy.

I think the average fan has certain expectations of the image that QBs, the face of a franchise, should project.

When they don't fall into that narrow view, those fans can't help themselves.
They want that guy to fail.

Eleazar 07-27-2014 07:14 AM

It seems pretty obvious that he thinks he's going to walk into the league and dominate with athleticism like he has before. After he fails at that, he will have to answer the critical question of whether he is going to put in the work and take the NFL seriously.

The odds were always against him - they are stacked heavily against even ideal QB prospects who fit the profile of successful QBs in the NFL. Only about 15 or 20 people in the world at a given time are going to be decent QBs in the NFL. It must be troubling to Browns fans to see someone with so far to go deciding that he'll worry about football later, summer is for women and blow.

Bufkin 07-27-2014 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 10769731)
I don't think it's jealousy.

I think the average fan has certain expectations of the image that QBs, the face of a franchise, should project.

When they don't fall into that narrow view, those fans can't help themselves.
They want that guy to fail.

Do you kill dogs?

Are you a raging, cringe-worthy douchebag?

If you answered no to either of these questions, your QB image is perfectly fine by me.

milkman 07-27-2014 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 10769733)
It seems pretty obvious that he thinks he's going to walk into the league and dominate with athleticism like he has before. After he fails at that, he will have to answer the critical question of whether he is going to put in the work and take the NFL seriously.

The odds were always against him - they are stacked heavily against even ideal QB prospects who fit the profile of successful QBs in the NFL. Only about 15 or 20 people in the world at a given time are going to be decent QBs in the NFL. It must be troubling to Browns fans to see someone with so far to go deciding that he'll worry about football later, summer is for women and blow.

He's out partying.

There's no way he could be spending any of the time he's not in camp studying the playbook.

Rasputin 07-27-2014 07:24 AM

I'd be shocked if Manziel doesn't do something stupid off the field and get himself in trouble. That said I'd still rather have him than Alex Smith.

Bwana 07-27-2014 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 10769744)
I'd be shocked if Manziel doesn't do something stupid off the field and get himself in trouble. That said I'd still rather have him than Alex Smith.

:spock:

Bufkin 07-27-2014 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 10769744)
I'd be shocked if Manziel doesn't do something stupid off the field and get himself in trouble. That said I'd still rather have him than Alex Smith.

If he doesn't get arrested and suspended, he'll be on the IR quite a bit with frequent sphincter punctures.

Fairplay 07-27-2014 07:32 AM

Manziel is the best thing happening to football these days.

milkman 07-27-2014 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Bwana (Post 10769748)
:spock:

Thing is, we still don't really know what we have in Alex Smith.
He had real potential coming out of school, but, of course, has never realized that potential.
That potential still remains, and he showed signs of it last season.
If Reid can really tap into that potential, then we will have a damn good QB.

That said, Manziel has unbelievable potential.
He could become one of the most exciting players the NFL has seen.

If you told me that both will realize their potential, and that I could have one or the other, I'd take Manziel without a second's hesitation.

Bufkin 07-27-2014 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Fairplay (Post 10769753)
Manziel is the best thing happening to football these days.

Absolutely. Hell, I think he's the best thing happening in the world as a whole, right up there with world hunger, West Nile, and Melissa McCarthy bikini shots.

Hog's Gone Fishin 07-27-2014 07:38 AM

I really am looking forward to this season. Can't believe I will be watching the Browns play when the Chiefs are not.

This guy might be a douche to some but when he gets in the huddle he knows how to rally his team . His teammates have always loved him.

If he fails, it won't be for lack of heart or effort.

I think his best asset people don't talk about is his vision. A lot of QB's don't have the vision thing going for them . He's got it.

Eleazar 07-27-2014 07:39 AM

Smith has put up very consistent numbers the last five seasons. We know who he is.

milkman 07-27-2014 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 10769765)
Smith has put up very consistent numbers the last five seasons. We know who he is.

No, we don't, and his late season play should have given a clue that we really don't.


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