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Saccopoo 07-21-2014 12:15 AM

Sac's 2015 Chiefs Mock Draft - Two Weeks To Go!!
 
Signings:
Jeremy Maclin, WR
Da'rick Rogers, WR
Jason Avant, WR
Terrell Pryor, QB
Tyvon Branch, S
Derek Sherrod, OT
Jerell Worthy, DT
Hepron Fangupo, DT
Ben Grubbs, OG
Paul Fanaika, OG
Richard Gordon, TE
Kelcie McCray, S

Losses:
Rodney Hudson, C
Dwayne Bowe, WR
Donnie Avery, WR
AJ Jenkins, WR
Vance Walker, DT
Joe Mays, LB
Anthony Fasano, TE

Maclin is better for this system than Bowe. Grubbs is a very good guard and is a substantial upgrade over McGlynn/Linkenbach. Pryor, Rogers and Sherrod are superb pickups on the cheap that offer huge ceilings at positions that can be upgraded.

The main holes/question marks/depth issues on the team remain ROG, C, ILB, WR, DB, ROT. The team is facing contract issues at OLB, CB,

1. (18) La'el Collins, OL; LSU: 6’4”, 305 lb.

40: 5.12
10: 1.81
Bench: 21 reps
Vertical: 27”
Broad: 108”
3 Cone: 7.70 seconds
20 Shuttle: 4.63 seconds
Arm: 33.25"
Hand: 10.5"

Collins is the most pro-ready offensive lineman in this draft. He's capable of playing four positons on the line and giving a team solid performance from Day One. Good athleticism, with very good feet and kick step and slide. Plays extremely nasty and gets to the second level effectively. Plays with very good functional power. Was the best OL at the senior bowl and combine.

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In an expression of ultimate humility that is rare for a football player worthy of being a top-five pick, Fowler admitted he was completely overwhelmed by Collins in the '13 meeting.

"My sophomore year, we went to Baton Rouge and played against LSU, and I'm not going to lie, I got my butt whooped," Fowler told mmqb.si.com. "That was one of my worst games just because of how I got tossed around. So I spent the whole last summer getting ready for La'el, I ain't going to lie to you. I knew I was going to run into some pretty decent tackles, but the main motivation was from him getting after me my sophomore year."
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2. (47) Eric Rowe, CB; Utah: 6’1” 205 lb.

40: 4.45 seconds
Bench: 19 reps
Vertical: 39”
Broad: 125”
3 Cone: 6.70 seconds
20 Shuttle: 3.97 seconds
60 Shuttle: 11.48 seconds

Rowe might go as early as the mid-first round, but if he's on the board in the second, it's nearly a no-brainer for the Chiefs. He's a perfect fit for Sutton's defense and has every measurable and intangible that Dorsey looks for in a draft prospect. There is no cornerback in this draft that is more ready to step into Sutton's defense and produce than Rowe.

Former Freshman All-American and three time conference selection at safety moved over to cornerback for the 2014 season to fill in for the departed Keith McGill. Rowe is a very athletic and instinctive player who had an excellent combine. Strictly a press man coverage CB at the next level, but that would work out extremely well for the Chiefs as that’s what they use. Strong and aggressive, but a smart player. Excellent run defender and well coached in Utah’s pro style defense. Would fit into Sutton’s base defense on the edge as well as his hybrid dime packages extremely well.

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"Just watched tape on Utah S/CB Eric Rowe," tweeted NFL Network's Charles Davis prior to the combine. "If I’m Press/Man team I want him."

Rowe finished in the top five among safeties in the broad jump (10 feet, 5 inches; tied for third), bench press (19 reps; tied for fourth) and the 60-yard shuttle (11.48 seconds; fifth).

Rowe is seen as an NFL prospect at both the safety and cornerback positions — he played free safety his first three years at Utah before switching to cornerback his senior season.
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3. (80) Tre McBride, WR; William & Mary: 6’0”, 210 lb.

40: 4.41
Bench: 16 reps
Vertical: 38”
Broad: 122”
3 Cone: 6.96 seconds
20 Shuttle: 4.08 seconds
60 Shuttle: 11.70 seconds
Arms: 32.25"
Hands: 9"

IMO, the second best receiver in this draft for this team. Legitimate NFL size, speed and athleticism. Good route running and has excellent hands. Very good catch radius with the ability to go up and over defenders to get the ball. His high point ability is near equal to Devante Parker. Very smart with a good understanding of the game. (Was recruited by Harvard.) Big time skills shown at the Shrine Game week. An excellent fit for Reid’s offense.

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William & Mary WR Tre McBride really impressed me over the summer based on his junior tape and then he followed it up with a strong senior season and is continuing that momentum here in Indianapolis. He ran an unofficial 4.41 in the 40-yard dash and looked outstanding catching the ball with smooth routes and above average body control. McBride gathers himself so effortlessly in his route breaks, showing off natural hands and overall receiver traits. A Pierre Garcon-like player, McBride has the tape that could land him in the top-100 and his combine performance won't hurt that prediction.
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3. (98) Henry Anderson, DT; Stanford: 6’6”, 294 lb.

40: 5.03 seconds
10: 1.63 seconds
Bench: 23 reps
Vertical: 30”
Broad: 111”
3 Cone: 7.20 seconds
20 Shuttle: 4.19 seconds
Arms: 33.5"
Hands: 9.75"

Anderson has served time at both the DE and DT positions in the Cardinals pro style 34 defense and would be an easy transition over to the multiple fronts that Sutton employs for the Chiefs. Big, tall and long, he's extremely explosive and quick for a player his size and actually translates that into on the field production as he racked up 65 tackles, 15 TFL and 8.5 sacks. Disruptive and makes a lot of impact plays. Honorable Mention All-American. Conference First Team All-Academic.

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"Despite his imposing build, Anderson is just as likely to be beat opponents with his quickness off the snap as he is power. Anderson varies his pass rush speeds and chops with hands to create space and slip into the backfield. He's more flexible than he looks and uses his long arms to lasso ball-carriers. Anderson shows good functional strength to lock-out and create a pile."
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4. (118) John Miller, OL; Louisville: 6’2 1/2”, 303 lb.

40: Combine – 5.33; Pro Day – 5.08
10: 1.87
Bench: 29 reps
Vertical: 27”
3 Cone: 8.20
20 Shuttle: 4.75
Broad: 104”
Arms: 33.25"
Hands: 10.25"

Miller, IMO, is the best interior lineman in the 2014 Draft. Extremely powerful and nasty, when he locks onto a defender, it’s over. Was the best player on the field at the Shrine game - a man amongst boys. While the Chiefs have signed two guards in the free agent market in Ben Grubbs and Paul Fanaika, there is a huge question mark at the Center position as Rod Hudson has departed for richer pastures – and guess who Miller talks to and patterns his game after? Former Louisville Cardinal and current Bills center Eric Wood. Like Hudson, a former standout college OG, Miller is a prime canidate to move inside to the Center position at the next level. He’s got very good knee bend, comes out of his stance quickly and uses his hands like meat cleavers on defenders. He has excellent leverage and strength and comes up with a ton of power. Is good on quick pulls. I think he’d be absolutely balls at any of the three OL spots, but has all the traits of a very, very good center in this scheme.

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Miller is the first guard I’ve broken down but has quickly become one of my favorites of all the players I’ve watched. There aren’t many flaws to his game.

He does a fantastic job of maintaining his base. Lower and upper half are in synch. He doesn’t lunge, always keeping his legs under him. Creates the knee bend you’re looking for and a powerful base to generate power from.

In pass protection, it allows him to anchor and absorb bull rushes as well as you could hope for. Couple that with his arm extension, and Miller should be textbook tape of how to “catch” defenders.
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5. (172) Zach Vigil, LB; Utah State: 6’2”, 236 lb.

40: 4.66
Bench: 26 reps
Vertical: 32"
Broad: 118"
3 Cone: 7.11
20 Shuttle: 4.41

Vigil, who was not invited to the Combine after posting numbers that usually get you a Bukus award winning type of season with 154 tackles, 9 sacks, etc., had a very good pro day where he showed good speed, strength and moved very well in the drills. This pro day was attended by 20 NFL teams, including the Kansas City Chiefs, to basically watch Vigil. He’s a complete linebacker who plays with speed and instinct and excellent fundamentals. I think he’s one of the best ILBs in the Draft and I wouldn’t be surprised to see him go a round or even two before this after showing the 4.6 speed.

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At linebacker you can have all the measurable in the world, but at the end of the day it means nothing if you don’t produce and Zach Vigil produced more last season than any other inside linebacker in the draft. His performance was consistent week in and week out with two negatively-graded games in 15 weeks.

When you think of a small school linebacker with big production getting little draft buzz it’s easy to assume that he’s a poor athlete, but that’s not the case with Vigil. His pro day numbers put him right around the inside linebacker average for almost all the events compared to historical combine figures. When you watch his tape, though, his coordination and instincts both jump out as above average.

The middle linebacker graded well above average rushing the passer, in coverage, and against the run. Vigil’s 76 total stops were the second most in the draft class and his 36 total pressures were the second most as well. He was also a very reliable tackler missing just 12 all year compared to 131 combined solos and assists.
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5. (173) Ben Koyack, TE; Notre Dame: 6’5”, 255 lb.

40: 4.72
Bench: 16 reps
Vertical: 30"
Broad: 116"
3 Cone: 7.32
20 Shuttle: 4.52
60 Shuttle: 12.20
Arms: 32.5"
Hands: 10.75"

Originally had Ohio State's Jeff Heurerman here, but he's moved up on everyone's boards to the point that the fifth round doesn't seem to be a reality in a perceived weak TE draft for a guy with his athleticism and Urban Meyer's backing. As such, Notre Dame's Ben Koyack gets the nod. Big, physical player who is an excellent blocker with good, huge hands. Underutilized (seems to be a theme this year with the tight end position across the board), but is a talented player. Would work well opposite Kelce and be effective in red zone Jumbo sets that Reid throws out there from time to time. Pretty solid fifth rounder IMO.

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Possesses desired size and athleticism for the position. Can threaten the seam, though not asked to do so very often. Sinks hips and plays with twitch into and out of breaks. Large, strong hands. Hands-catcher with plus concentration in a crowd. Equally comfortable in–line or from the slot. Excels as run blocker with unique understanding of leverage and hand placement. Works to secure edge. Mirrors and stays engaged when walling off and hustles to get his man turned when responsible for play-side block. Has potential to be left on an island in pass protection. Competes hard.
Sounds exactly what this team needs at the position.

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6. (193) Kyle Emanuel, OLB; North Dakota State: 6’3”, 255 lb.

40: 4.77 seconds
Bench: 27 reps
Vertical: 34”
Broad: 120”
3 Cone: 7.10 seconds
20 Shuttle: 4.25 seconds
60 Shuttle: 11.78 seconds

The reigning Buck Buchanan Award winner, Emanuel absolutely destroyed the FCS division with 70 tackles, 16.5 sacks, 27 tackles for loss, 3 forced fumbles and an interception. He’s not just a try hard, special teams guy – Emanuel has a number of effective pass rush moves, plays with power and speed and is well versed in fundamentals and possesses good instincts. A huge part of four FCS College Football Championships.

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Among the many defensive linemen to stand out this week, Kyle Emanuel put an impressive array of pass-rushing moves on display as he worked his way past offensive tackles throughout the week.
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College Football Performance Awards (CFPA) today announced several 2014 honors for four-time FCS national champion North Dakota State. Defensive lineman Kyle Emanuel was named the 2014 CFPA National Defensive Performer of the Year. The team, in addition, was honored for the top FCS performance in 2014.

Emanuel finished the 2014 season with 97 tackles in sixteen games. He had 32.5 tackles for loss, 19.5 sacks, three forced fumbles, and one interception.

Emanuel, who was previously honored as first-team All-American, first-team All-MVFC, and the Sports Network's Buck Buchanan Award winner, helped North Dakota State finish third in the FCS in scoring defense (14.1 points allowed per game) and sixth in passing yards allowed (155.0 passing yards per game).
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6. (217) Antwan Goodley, WR; Baylor: 5’10”, 209 lb.

40: 4.44
Vertical: 35"
Broad: 127"
3 Cone: 7.19
20 Shuttle: 4.38

Thick, wide muscled frame that makes him look more like a running back than a wide receiver. Will absolutely explode downfield once the ball is in his hands. Has had a extremely productive career for the Bears and was QB Petty’s preferred target. Immensely strong, will just plow through defensive backs. Offers a lot of versatility for the position, capable of coming out of the backfield as well as being on the outside where he uses his athleticism to climb up for the ball.

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Goodley is explosive on and off the field. He has been clocked as fast as 4.39 seconds in the 40 and squats an amazing 660 pounds, second-most on the team. He also caught 71 passes for 1,339 yards (18.9 yards per reception) and 13 TDs last season, when he had five catches of at least 60 yards (most in the nation), eight of at least 40 yards (tied for sixth) and 14 of at least 30 yards (tied for third-most).
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7. (233) Terrance Plummer, LB; Central Florida: 5'11 1/2", 240 lb.

40: 4.90
10: 1.64
Bench: 22 reps
Vertical: 33.5"
Broad: 112"
3 Cone: 7.16
20 Shuttle: 4.41

Plummer, over the course of his four years at UCF, has played inside and outside and has excelled. A tackling machine, he's averaged 105 tackles in each of his three starting seasons, including 99 tackles, 13 tfl and 4 sacks in 2014. Drops into coverage extremely well and has a knack for making the big play at the right time. Instinctive and fundamentally sound. Extremely hard worker and team leader. A very good football player. He's being seriously undervalued by the draftniks heading into the 2015 Draft. Reminds me a lot of London Fletcher.

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Plummer was highly-productive as a linebacker for the Knights, producing 334 total tackles (30.5 for loss), 6.5 sacks, two forced fumbles and four interceptions in his four seasons at UCF. He was also voted as a member of the All-American Athletic Conference's first team twice and was named the Tostitos Fiesta Bowl Defensive MVP in 2013.
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Terrance Plummer, who is an overachieving middle linebacker, very productive, always around the ball, never on the ground. Interesting guy as a late round pick. I think Plummer all over the field in a number of games this year. The Missouri game was a game you look back at he looked like he could be a third or fourth round pick. But I think in the late rounds, Plummer would make a lot of sense.
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KC native 07-22-2014 12:54 PM

Fields is under investigation for domestic violence. GF doesn't want to press charges but police are required to do a report.

He would be lucky as **** to get into the 2nd round. Last year was a train wreck for him. He showed up out of shape and had disciplinary issues. The injury saved him from a very underwhelming year.

He can wreck shit but his motivation and behavior are questionable.

Halfcan 07-22-2014 02:51 PM

No QB until the 7th round? So Alex for a 3rd year of fail? Or are you hoping for the Bray show to take off in 2015?

Saccopoo 07-22-2014 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 10760332)
No QB until the 7th round? So Alex for a 3rd year of fail? Or are you hoping for the Bray show to take off in 2015?

I was thinking about Ohio State's Braxton Miller around the fifth, but felt that Epperly was actually the better QB and would be cheaper in the draft.

And I'm pretty sure that they'll sign Smith. They'd be really, really stupid if they didn't. He's a really solid QB that fits the system extremely well. They isn't a QB in the next draft that comes close to what he provides athletically, in intelligence and decision making on the field. The offense responds to him and he had a good year despite a really bad situation in terms of what he had to work with in a brand new system.

So, no, I am not about spending a high draft choice on a QB that won't be even close to what Smith gives you. You sign the guy and put some weapons around him. (Though they really didn't do that in 2014 when the chance was there.)

Bewbies 07-26-2014 11:19 AM

Where's the obligatory scrub from Utah or BYU?

Saccopoo 07-26-2014 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 10768315)
Where's the obligatory scrub from Utah or BYU?

It's early.

Saccopoo 08-01-2014 05:43 PM

Newly updated. Changed out Fields for McKinney. While Fields is a talent, I agree with KC Native in that he's a complete basket case that delves into the dangerous off the field.

RunKC 08-05-2014 09:51 AM

Watch us draft the Iowa OL in the first. That's a classic Chiefs pick.

Saccopoo 08-06-2014 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 10795472)
Watch us draft the Iowa OL in the first. That's a classic Chiefs pick.

It will come down to what information Dorsey gives to the Decision Lens people and what name is at the top of the list that the computer spits out that's still on the board when the Chiefs pick.

By the last two drafts, you can somewhat see the type of players they are looking for.

Sweet Daddy Hate 08-11-2014 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 10769455)
It's early.

LMAO

Frosty 08-19-2014 10:13 AM

I usually don't like Saccopoo's drafts but I do like this one. :)

John Dope 08-26-2014 11:31 AM

I like this draft. Good job.

RunKC 08-30-2014 12:00 AM

95% chance we take an OL. Just wait and see

Dave Lane 08-30-2014 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 10862056)
95% chance we take an OL. Just wait and see

We need one to replace the one we got to replace the one we had.

Half of cp would rejoice if we went all OL.

Saccopoo 09-01-2014 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 10863750)
We need one to replace the one we got to replace the one we had.

Half of cp would rejoice if we went all OL.

What they really need is one solid offensive guard. Actually, I'd take two and have Jeff Allen be our offensive line swing guy. They could even take Kush and move him over to the right guard spot, but, for some reason, they haven't.

Reid likes power guys for the interior spots, and a guy like Tyrus Thompson fits the bill. He's not at the same level as a guy like Baylor's Cyril Richardson from last year (who really should have been our fourth round selection - no slight intended to DAT, but the hole at the OG position is much wider than the one we had at PR/KR), but he's got talent and size.

However, they could look at the position as a "BPA" type thing and go OL in the first. Someone like Florida State's Cameron Erving (who I really like) or LSU's La'el Collins (who has potential to be a complete stud at any of the guard or tackle positions, though I'd love to see him at LG for the Chiefs) would fit the bill in terms of just getting the most talented OL prospect in and shuffle the line accordingly.

Hoover 09-01-2014 09:44 PM

Why move Kush when Hudson has played guard, and played it well?

Saccopoo 09-02-2014 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 10872367)
Why move Kush when Hudson has played guard, and played it well?

Kush has also logged time at guard as well as left tackle during college. At this point, establishing the rhythm and timing with the center/QB exchange is important. Keeping Hudson there makes the most sense at this point. If Kush is playing well, might as well move him to one of the guard spots and have Allen as your emergency backup for the G/T spots.

Kush has very nice feet and pulls extremely well. And is apparently strong like bull. He's got a little height on Hudson and I think he'd do just fine at the OG spot.

Either that, or he's the offensive line equivalent of Jerrell Powe - somebody we all think is playing well, but something isn't clicking with he and the coaching staff.

The Franchise 09-02-2014 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 10872576)
Kush has also logged time at guard as well as left tackle during college. At this point, establishing the rhythm and timing with the center/QB exchange is important. Keeping Hudson there makes the most sense at this point. If Kush is playing well, might as well move him to one of the guard spots and have Allen as your emergency backup for the G/T spots.

Kush has very nice feet and pulls extremely well. And is apparently strong like bull. He's got a little height on Hudson and I think he'd do just fine at the OG spot.

Either that, or he's the offensive line equivalent of Jerrell Powe - somebody we all think is playing well, but something isn't clicking with he and the coaching staff.

I've been hoping that they would move Kush.

Fisher - McGlynn - Hudson - Kush - Allen

John Dope 09-02-2014 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10872987)
I've been hoping that they would move Kush.

Fisher - McGlynn - Hudson - Kush - Allen

He played some guard at OTAs. I wonder why they just stopped that experiment?

Saccopoo 09-02-2014 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by John Dope (Post 10874332)
He played some guard at OTAs. I wonder why they just stopped that experiment?

There always seems to be one of those during every pre-season.

All I know is that our guard situation isn't good and everyone keeps talking about how good (strong, good feet, etc.) Kush has looked this preseason. (As well as in the regular season last year against the Chargers.)

The guy is on the roster for a reason. We might as well see what he's got at this point, especially with Allen moving over to right tackle due to the four game suspension of Stephenson.

Frosty 09-10-2014 11:47 AM

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5. Storm Woods, RB; Oregon State: 6’0”, 210 lbs.
- Woods is a nice runner who excels in the passing game. Is patient, hits his holes well, accelerates nicely and has some wiggle to him. Would fit in with the West Coast system very well. Did have a nasty concussion against Utah early in the 2013 season, but came back and played solid after sitting out a couple of weeks.

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BTW, Sacc, Storm is a junior and I doubt he will have the kind of season that would make him think about coming out early.

Also, for Beaver RBs, I am starting to be more impressed with Terron Ward. He's short but thick (5'7", 202 lbs) and is much shiftier than Woods. Some of the cuts he made this week against Hawaii were impressive. He has better speed too.

I couldn't find any decent highlights but Ward's two TDs are here (start at 1:20).

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Saccopoo 10-20-2014 09:55 PM

Need to update this...Direckshun's already got 74 more mocks since I last did this one.

Direckshun 10-21-2014 01:44 AM

You'll never catch me.

Sweet Daddy Hate 10-21-2014 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 11035221)
Need to update this...Direckshun's already got 74 more mocks since I last did this one.

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 11035454)
You'll never catch me.

Instructions for a KC Chiefs mock draft:

1) Craft the most well thought out and logical draft your brain can muster.

2) Do the exact opposite.

Mission....

Accomplished.

Exoter175 10-22-2014 05:02 PM

I'm like, splooging all over this draft for the respect to value and offensive weaponry, while at least taking a shot at shoring up serious position needs.

I think this draft, so far, probably does the best at "satisfying" everyone's different tastes for a draft, and also takes care of "business" at the "I need to put a warm body in this gaping hole" areas, like at ILB.

I do, however, think the draft is a little "reachy" on some picks, and a little lenient on how far some of these guys drop.

I Like it though, I like it.

jonzie04 10-26-2014 08:35 PM

Very impressive draft, diggs is my favorite WR in this draft for us outside of cooper and white. guys very dangerous with the ball in his hands. i also looked up plummer after seeing this mock and watched draftbreakdowns video of him against bridgewater and was blown away. that guys a tremendous football player, he really has a nose for the ball, and makes some super fast reads. he isn't super athletic or anything but he's really physical, and can definitely take an o lineman head on. I think he'd be a steal in the late rounds. I looked into him more a little, and he seems to make big plays, at big times, in big games, sacking bridgewater, making game winning picks off of tipped balls more than once. Nice find man.

Saccopoo 11-07-2014 09:01 PM

Recently updated.

Direckshun 11-08-2014 01:43 AM

Always enjoy the updates.

Curious how you're blowing Epperly so hard, though.

Saccopoo 11-08-2014 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 11092859)
Always enjoy the updates.

Curious how you're blowing Epperly so hard, though.

Epperly originally was going to commit to Texas A&M, but decided to go elsewhere when Johnny Football signed there. Smart guy that accepted the Princeton scholarship. Has put up sick numbers there, though has suffered this season due to injuries (turf toe). Guy has good size, speed and really good accuracy on his throws.

To be honest, reminds me a lot of Alex Smith in college. Tough guy gamer with athletics and accuracy and smarts. Finds the end zone.

I think, given the chance, the guy has some potential. Working behind a guy like Smith, with a coach like Reid and the system he runs, a dude like Epperly could be somebody.

Saccopoo 11-11-2014 07:22 PM

And add to it that I'm not sold on either Daniel or Murray.

Goldman is upgrade to DeVito and also insurance in the event that Poe wants insano money after the 2015 season.

Likewise, Orchard for either Hali or Houston. (Not especially sold on Dee Ford so far in his career as a Chief. And there's really no depth on this team from a pass rushing OLB standpoint.)

And while people are bagging on the O-line, I really think that they are one solid guard away from being legit and I really like Miller a lot as a LG possibility.

RunKC 11-12-2014 09:21 AM

I don't get the first pick. I fully expect us to resign Bailey. I've noticed we mainly have two DL on the field with Tamba/Houston at the line as well.
We'll have Poe, Bailey, Cat will be back, Walker and Howard (who has looked pretty good for 3rd string on the depth chart).

Going by Dorsey's history, I think he'll draft to replace a high contract. He needs to to get the cap ready for Houston and Poe (and maybe Berry).

Trae Waynes would be a great pick. Another prospect like Phillip Gaines, and we need help there with Cooper struggling and Owens being a dumpster fire.

That or receiver. I think they can get a good WR like Diggs in rd 2 though.

Like your TE pick. I'd be pumped if our draft had those 3 in it.

Saccopoo 11-12-2014 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 11105466)
I don't get the first pick. I fully expect us to resign Bailey. I've noticed we mainly have two DL on the field with Tamba/Houston at the line as well.
We'll have Poe, Bailey, Cat will be back, Walker and Howard (who has looked pretty good for 3rd string on the depth chart).

Going by Dorsey's history, I think he'll draft to replace a high contract. He needs to to get the cap ready for Houston and Poe (and maybe Berry).

Trae Waynes would be a great pick. Another prospect like Phillip Gaines, and we need help there with Cooper struggling and Owens being a dumpster fire.

That or receiver. I think they can get a good WR like Diggs in rd 2 though.

Like your TE pick. I'd be pumped if our draft had those 3 in it.

Catapano is Bigfoot at this point. The dude is a myth.

Poe is going to cost money. A lot of it.

Goldman is currently at 320 lb. and could carry a lot more on that frame if needed. He could play either the DE spot or DT. And Walker, Howard and Vickerson and just dudes.

Eddie Goldman is an immediate upgrade at RDE in the base set and insurance against Poe getting/taking huge money after 2015.

RunKC 11-12-2014 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 11105662)
Catapano is Bigfoot at this point. The dude is a myth.

Poe is going to cost money. A lot of it.

Goldman is currently at 320 lb. and could carry a lot more on that frame if needed. He could play either the DE spot or DT. And Walker, Howard and Vickerson and just dudes.

Eddie Goldman is an immediate upgrade at RDE in the base set and insurance against Poe getting/taking huge money after 2015.

People said the same thing about Kelce. Cat was a growing player and I think he will be back next year.

I wouldn't mind Eddie Goldman, especially since we have so many picks.
But I don't want to draft him simply to replace Poe.
I would rather draft to replace Bowe and/or S.Smith so we can use the money saved from them to sign Poe.

We can't let Poe go. He's a top 5 interior DL.

Saccopoo 11-12-2014 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 11105684)
People said the same thing about Kelce. Cat was a growing player and I think he will be back next year.

I wouldn't mind Eddie Goldman, especially since we have so many picks.
But I don't want to draft him simply to replace Poe.
I would rather draft to replace Bowe and/or S.Smith so we can use the money saved from them to sign Poe.

We can't let Poe go. He's a top 5 interior DL.

I agree, but those max contracts can cripple a team and you'd rather have that money going to a rush end or QB than a nose. He'll get paid, but I'm not so sure that that money could be better utilized to keep the overall continuity of the team intact.

You could literally draft a guy like him every four years or so and get the same level of production.

Goldman or the University of Washington's Danny Shelton (who I also like a ton in this draft and is very "Poe-esque" in terms of his build and game, though Shelton might be even better in terms of ability to collapse the pocket at the same stage) would be a very nice insurance policy that goes towards Dontari leaving after the 2015 season.

And I'm not so sure that there's a first round WR that fits this system to the degree of using a first round pick on one. Odell Beckham last year, sure. But the two guys I have in this draft - Diggs and Dorsett - both possess that true breakaway speed that is utilized in the YAC that this system should flourish upon and should be available in the mid-rounds. (Diggs buried himself a bit this past month with his suspension and will drop.)

At this point, the BPA in the first round is really looking like a trench player on either side of the ball. I like the defensive players better than the o-line guys in this draft. Goldman gives you a little more diversity than Shelton, but either would be nice.

RunKC 11-12-2014 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 11105846)
I agree, but those max contracts can cripple a team and you'd rather have that money going to a rush end or QB than a nose. He'll get paid, but I'm not so sure that that money could be better utilized to keep the overall continuity of the team intact.

You could literally draft a guy like him every four years or so and get the same level of production.

Goldman or the University of Washington's Danny Shelton (who I also like a ton in this draft and is very "Poe-esque" in terms of his build and game, though Shelton might be even better in terms of ability to collapse the pocket at the same stage) would be a very nice insurance policy that goes towards Dontari leaving after the 2015 season.

And I'm not so sure that there's a first round WR that fits this system to the degree of using a first round pick on one. Odell Beckham last year, sure. But the two guys I have in this draft - Diggs and Dorsett - both possess that true breakaway speed that is utilized in the YAC that this system should flourish upon and should be available in the mid-rounds. (Diggs buried himself a bit this past month with his suspension and will drop.)

At this point, the BPA in the first round is really looking like a trench player on either side of the ball. I like the defensive players better than the o-line guys in this draft. Goldman gives you a little more diversity than Shelton, but either would be nice.

I agree, but Alex's contract isn't breaking the bank. It's gonna be middle of the pack next year with the cap inflation and 2011 class getting big contracts.

Tamba, Bowe and S. Smith have big contracts. Top 5 paid guys. We already have Tamba's replacement. If we can get Sean Smith's, along with cutting expendable players, we should have enough to keep them. We just won't be big spenders in FA, which is completely fine with me seeing how Dorsey has crafted this team.

I agree about a WR. I think all the top guys will be gone and I don't wanna reach.
Also agree on the trenches comment. Bailey is a strong guy but he's barely 300 lbs. A bigger more athletic guy like Poe would sure help us a lot.
Still have La'El Collins in mind. LG is killing us and RT isn't that much better. For some reason Stephenson can't get on the field which isn't good.

Dorsey has publicly stated he believes the trenches are the most important part of your team after QB and Andy's history agrees with this.

O.city 11-12-2014 02:15 PM

Oh Sac, what a doofus.

Saccopoo 11-12-2014 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11106062)
Oh Sac, what a doofus.

Good input...

Love the in-depth, objective analysis.

Post more.

Saccopoo 11-17-2014 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 11106053)
I agree, but Alex's contract isn't breaking the bank. It's gonna be middle of the pack next year with the cap inflation and 2011 class getting big contracts.

Tamba, Bowe and S. Smith have big contracts. Top 5 paid guys. We already have Tamba's replacement. If we can get Sean Smith's, along with cutting expendable players, we should have enough to keep them. We just won't be big spenders in FA, which is completely fine with me seeing how Dorsey has crafted this team.

I agree about a WR. I think all the top guys will be gone and I don't wanna reach.
Also agree on the trenches comment. Bailey is a strong guy but he's barely 300 lbs. A bigger more athletic guy like Poe would sure help us a lot.
Still have La'El Collins in mind. LG is killing us and RT isn't that much better. For some reason Stephenson can't get on the field which isn't good.

Dorsey has publicly stated he believes the trenches are the most important part of your team after QB and Andy's history agrees with this.

Collins is a nice player, but it depends on what they think they have in Allen and how the other guys develop like Kush, LDT, etc. I personally thought that Allen was going to have a breakout year this season. He put a lot of work in and he's got a great attitude. Injury killed that possibility for 2014 but Fulton has been getting better each game and looks to be okay so far.

I think that getting a high level guy for DeVito's position (if he can't come back from that achilles) is important for the defense, especially a guy that can be solid against the run while providing some degree of a push upfield.

RunKC 11-18-2014 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 11122832)
Collins is a nice player, but it depends on what they think they have in Allen and how the other guys develop like Kush, LDT, etc. I personally thought that Allen was going to have a breakout year this season. He put a lot of work in and he's got a great attitude. Injury killed that possibility for 2014 but Fulton has been getting better each game and looks to be okay so far.

I think that getting a high level guy for DeVito's position (if he can't come back from that achilles) is important for the defense, especially a guy that can be solid against the run while providing some degree of a push upfield.

I wouldn't mind that. I think Eddie Goldman will be gone. Maybe Mario Edwards. Christian Covington is another good prospect as well.

Direckshun 11-18-2014 01:45 PM

I love this draft desperately, but you should honestly consider substituting in a WR of your choosing over a DE, who's rarely going to see the field since the Chiefs are in love with Poe and Bailey in their frequently-played subpackages.

This lineup doesn't give us any WRs. We're going go to hit the field with Bowe, Avery, and Jenkins as our WRs AGAIN.

What's your plan there?

Saccopoo 11-19-2014 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 11123763)
I love this draft desperately, but you should honestly consider substituting in a WR of your choosing over a DE, who's rarely going to see the field since the Chiefs are in love with Poe and Bailey in their frequently-played subpackages.

This lineup doesn't give us any WRs. We're going go to hit the field with Bowe, Avery, and Jenkins as our WRs AGAIN.

What's your plan there?

:spock:

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 10757244)
3. Stefon Diggs, WR; Maryland: 6'0", 195 lbs.
- Originally I had Diggs as the Chiefs pick in the first round. However, Diggs, while leading the Terrapins in receiving in 2014, has been suspended by the team for his part in the pre-game dust up against Penn State last weekend. Might be suspended even further by the conference for contact with a referee. Questions about his route running are out there as well. A pretty talented WR draft will push Diggs down into the second or third rounds. But make no mistake, Diggs can flat out play. Insanely fast and intense. He's the type of guy that can turn a field when the ball is in his hands. Former five star recruit and #2 rated prep WR.

http://www.campussports.net/beta/wp-...yTGhZJj2Pl.jpg

Previous pick: Rashard Greene, WR; Florida State

4. Phillip Dorsett, WR; Miami: 5'10", 195 lb.
- Dorsett, an absolute burner, is having a record setting season. He's currently averaging 30.1 ypc on 19 receptions with 6 TDs with two games where he's averaged 50 ypc and 47 ypc. That's insane. True breakaway speed with open field elusiveness, Dorsett is a rocket ship with the ball in his hands. In Reid's West Coast system, it's all about the yards after the catch and Dorsett is doing that better than anyone in college football currently.

Picked up off a UMiami tweet:

http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/A...5/6_665811.jpg

Previous pick: Tyrus Thompson, OT; Oklahoma


OldSchool 11-19-2014 10:37 AM

Not a big fan of just bringing in more undersized speed WRs. We already have 4 of them on the team, 5 if you count DAT.

I'd much rather grab a guy who can help in the red zone and play in a style that's similar to the Bowes, Jeffreys, Fitzgeralds, Boldins, and Marshalls of the league. This ball control offense would look even better with another receiver who can just physically dominate a DB.

Jaelen Strong in the 1st or Duke Williams in the 2nd-3rd. Then you can drop a later pick on a guy like Dorsett. Dorsett himself will likely go higher than the 4th round. I expect him to be gone no later than the 3rd.

This team needs another dependable chain mover so teams can't just focus on Bowe and Kelce on 3rd downs.

Saccopoo 11-19-2014 11:28 AM

Newly updated.

Saccopoo 11-19-2014 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 11125986)
Not a big fan of just bringing in more undersized speed WRs. We already have 4 of them on the team, 5 if you count DAT.

I'd much rather grab a guy who can help in the red zone and play in a style that's similar to the Bowes, Jeffreys, Fitzgeralds, Boldins, and Marshalls of the league. This ball control offense would look even better with another receiver who can just physically dominate a DB.

Jaelen Strong in the 1st or Duke Williams in the 2nd-3rd. Then you can drop a later pick on a guy like Dorsett. Dorsett himself will likely go higher than the 4th round. I expect him to be gone no later than the 3rd.

This team needs another dependable chain mover so teams can't just focus on Bowe and Kelce on 3rd downs.

I'd argue that it doesn't.

This team needs guys with speed who can actually play football. Having Fasano, Kelce, Sherman, DAT, Harris, Charles, Hemingway, etc., means that they have an absolute ass ton of guys who should be effective third down, "move the chains" options.

What this team needs is guys who will open the defense and be able to absolutely turn the field with the ball in their hands. Both Diggs and Dorsett are those types of guys. Might even be the two fastest guys in the entire 2015 draft and they can actually play football. (Imagine that!)

OldSchool 11-19-2014 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 11126093)
I'd argue that it doesn't.

This team needs guys with speed who can actually play football. Having Fasano, Kelce, Sherman, DAT, Harris, Charles, Hemingway, etc., means that they have an absolute ass ton of guys who should be effective third down, "move the chains" options.

What this team needs is guys who will open the defense and be able to absolutely turn the field with the ball in their hands. Both Diggs and Dorsett are those types of guys. Might even be the two fastest guys in the entire 2015 draft and they can actually play football. (Imagine that!)

Sure we have a few TEs, Kelce will be great, Fasano is a steady vet, and Harris has potential and I expect bigger things from him next year. But I'm talking specifically about the WR position.

Hemingway? Really? He isn't close to being good enough right now and his ceiling is arguably the lowest on this entire roster. We need another WR who can physically win outside on a level that's at least on par with the 30+ year old Bowe. There is plenty of team speed for Reid to scheme with between Jenkins, DAT, Charles, Avery, Wilson, and Hammond. This team has too many gadget players as it is, IMO, and needs another consistent WR so teams can't just key in on Bowe.

I like Dorsett, he's a true speed guy with really good ball skills, but I'm not too big of a Diggs fan.

OldSchool 11-19-2014 11:42 AM

ROFL Love how you switched all of the picks to Utah guys.

jonzie04 11-19-2014 12:30 PM

this draft... is terrible. has to be a joke right? :eek:

Frosty 11-19-2014 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jonzie04 (Post 11126190)
this draft... is terrible. has to be a joke right? :eek:

Check out SNR's roast thread

RealSNR 11-19-2014 12:42 PM

<3 Sac

Direckshun 11-19-2014 01:20 PM

Oh my gentle jesus.

We have reached capacity Saccopoo.

DraftPlanet has now served its purpose, and I shall walk back into the sea from whence I came.

Direckshun 11-19-2014 01:21 PM

On the upside, that lesbian you're drafting in round 2 sounds promising.

OldSchool 11-19-2014 03:23 PM

Chuckie Keeton sucks as by the way. You must have missed his games this year. He is also softer than RGKnee.

Sweet Daddy Hate 11-19-2014 08:12 PM

WTF is this shit?

Saccopoo 11-19-2014 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Williams (Post 11126968)
WTF is this shit?

I give you production.

I give you speed.

I give you power.

I give you size.

I give you high ceiling.

I give you high floor.

I give you balance.

I give you talent.

What's not to love?

Direckshun 11-19-2014 11:13 PM

1 Nephi 1:20-22

And lo! Did Joseph Smith, donned in a resplendent western tunic, say upon his followers:

'I give you production. I give you speed. I give you power. I give you size. I give you high ceiling. I give you high floor. I give you balance. I give you talent. What's not to love?'

Sweet Daddy Hate 11-20-2014 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 11127280)
1 Nephi 1:20-22

And lo! Did Joseph Smith, donned in a resplendent western tunic, say upon his followers:

'I give you production. I give you speed. I give you power. I give you size. I give you high ceiling. I give you high floor. I give you balance. I give you talent. What's not to love?'

http://i.imgur.com/CEZfHs2.gif

"Draft-ing in a vac-uum, I know, I know, Sacc's really seeeerious"....

spanky 52 11-20-2014 03:46 PM

Don't ever stop Sac.

kccrow 11-20-2014 06:28 PM

Sac, at least you're living up to your username with this mock... ;)

ILChief 11-22-2014 09:48 AM

Glad you are not drafting for us. That is the worst thing I have ever seen. It's like you thought "what positions do we not need to draft" and drafted exactly those positions.

ILChief 11-22-2014 09:49 AM

Utah fan?

RealSNR 11-22-2014 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ILChief (Post 11136471)
Glad you are not drafting for us. That is the worst thing I have ever seen. It's like you thought "what positions do we not need to draft" and drafted exactly those positions.

I agree! This mock sucks bigtime lol!

Saccopoo 11-24-2014 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 11137524)
I agree! This mock sucks bigtime lol!

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...0112013-01.gif

Saccopoo 12-02-2014 01:20 PM

Newly updated.

RunKC 12-02-2014 02:15 PM

Don't get me wrong Sac. I love Shelton, but I think WR, RT (holy shit this position is bad for us) and CB are bigger needs round 1. Depends on free agency I suppose.

Our DL has actually done a nice job for the most part. I'm watching the Donks game again and they force the OL to hold them, but Muaga is AIDS at LB and can't make a tackle to save his life, which has been a problem all year.

Also don't think Shelton will be there. A man that big with that athleticism with those stats will likely go top 15. Hell he might go top 10 when he blows up the combine.

I would love Eric Kendricks so I love that pick. I don't see him falling that far. Surely he's a top 50 pick. I see him going early to mid 2nd rd.
Reid did draft his brother.

Hoover 12-02-2014 02:19 PM

Yeah, all we need to fix the oline in a 5th round guard.

Our WRs might as well do jumping max instead of running routes because Alex will not have time to get them the ball.

jonzie04 12-02-2014 04:09 PM

Another year of not being able to do 3 step drops and jamaal forcing 2 missed tackles to get back to the LOS.

Saccopoo 12-02-2014 07:17 PM

Weird, I have gotten shit from you stiffs for years about o-line prospects and when I don't think that there's any worth a shit when we are going to pick you guys get all up in arms about NOT taking an offensive lineman. Whatever.

That being said, I think that this offensive line is one more season and a solid guard away from being good. I still believe that Fisher will put it together by next season and both Allen and Stephenson are legitimate players.

Personally, I think that the Chiefs are in no-man's land in terms of landing a solid offensive lineman. IMO, Cameron Erving is the OT with the highest upside in this draft. Guy is a stud. Raw, but a stud. La'el Collins is most likely the best guard prospect in this draft, but I don't necessarily think that he's any better than a guy like John Miller, who hasn't got the pub, but you watch his games and he's rag dolling dudes. Other than those two guys, it's a pretty "meh" draft on offensive linemen IMO.

Peat, Drango and Flowers are all juniors and all have been injured or nicked. Drango is coming off a back injury...ehhhhh. Peat, in the games I've watched, doesn't seem quick enough. Mauler, but not a lot of finesse. Flowers is much of the same.

I'm not really all that impressed with this years offensive line prospects.

I'd be inclined to use a very late rounder on a guy like Wisconsin's Rob Havenstein or Utah's Junior Salt (outside of guys like Erving and Miller), but I'm not sure about using a first or second day selection on a guy who doesn't provide anything above what we've already got or could have in the fifth or later rounds.

the Talking Can 12-02-2014 07:45 PM

i like this draft a lot

and we should reward sac for not spending high round picks on shitty OL (like fisher and stephenson)..

Sweet Daddy Hate 12-02-2014 08:10 PM

I understand your reasoning for NT, but I don't see it happening. I'm also somewhat confused with selection of a TE. Also, no more garbage round QB's, please. I think we've picked that dumpster just fine for the time being.

But, still pretty solid.

Direckshun 12-02-2014 10:39 PM

Luc may be the world's blackest man.

Saccopoo 12-03-2014 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 11163445)
Luc may be the world's blackest man.

You should tell him that...

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/webroot/a...s/993010_o.gif

jonzie04 12-03-2014 12:52 AM

now that youve explained your reasoning behind neglecting the o line, there really isnt any sense in drafting a guy in position of need, if you dont think that guys going to contribute, or has a very high celing. i dont agree with your assesment of the olineman, i think there are more than a few guys in this draft ready to step in day one.but fwiw i do really like the players you picked. shelton, with poe at end would be nasty. do like kendricks a lot (dont think hes there in the third though). ive said here many times how much i like diggs and plummer.

jonzie04 12-03-2014 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 11163569)
You should tell him that...

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/webroot/a...s/993010_o.gif

(This was from his freshman year...)

the guy in the back with the towel on his neck is even more black than luc :eek:

kccrow 12-03-2014 01:01 AM

First off, re-typed this so I can wrap my head around it...
I actually put some time into a reply on a mock for once so don't take it personal :)

1. Danny Shelton, NT - Washington (6'2" 340)
Your plan is to draft a guy to play the spot we already have a STUD at in order do move said stud from that spot to defensive end... I'm not on board with this. Poe is very good where he is at and his athleticsm, strength, and size are what make him so good there. I want a disruptive DE, but I don't think Poe has that type of stamina to consistently come from the edge instead of straight up the middle. So... bad pick in my book. Shelton is a good football player but I don't think this is what you do to fix what you want to fix, and that is the defensive end position.

2. Cody Prewitt, S - Ole Miss (6'2" 212)
Prewitt is my favorite safety prospect in this class. I'm not sure whether or not he makes it this deep. If he test relatively well for the position at the combine, I think he goes 1st round. In round 2, this would be an A+ pick in my book.

3. Stefon Diggs, WR - Maryand (6'0" 195)
Despite his talent, I'm leaning heavily towards taking Diggs off of my board. He seems to lack sound character/intelligence with a few antics over his career, including his most recent run-in with an official. Diggs should actually be more productive than he is. He is a concern, a yo-yo type player with amazing physical abilities. We've seen those fizzle out in the league countless times. This being the first attempt to address the position of very high need would cause me to be more than a bit worried. Diggs needs to return to school for his senior year, grow up, and be more productive.

3. Eric Kendricks, ILB - UCLA (6'0" 230)
Kendricks really is a very good linebacker and I'm not sure he last to the tail-end of round 3. He would be quite appealing to a 4-3 team with his range and size. He's a bit undersized for a 3-4, but that isn't necessarily a huge detriment. I think he goes at least around your Diggs pick, if not sooner.

4. Jeff Heuerman, TE - Ohio State (6'6" 255)
A very underrated TE because of the amount of blocking he does at Ohio State. He makes the very most of every receiving opportunity. He reminds me a bunch of Kelce in college. I love this kid as a player. I think you get everything you ask for from this type of guy. I wouldn't be surprised if he lights up the combine as its most athletic TE overall either.

4. Sean Mannion, QB - Oregon State (6'5" 220)
Mannion has kinda fallen off of my list as a guy I "want." He just hasn't taken that next step as a player like I thought he could/would. I was hoping to see more, better decisions, more velocity on his ball, better pocket awareness and ability to step into pressure. I've actually moved Shane Carden up as the QB I'd like to see KC take a shot on. Carden has a more compact release (although he needs to be less sloppy too sometimes), steps up into the pocket and into throws, has more velocity, and seems to read past his hot better.

5. John Miller, OG - Louisville (6'2" 321)
I really like Miller a bunch and have been kind of overlooking him at times. Underrated, sleeper type. Really is solid all-around. Nothing much else to say. Wish he was quicker and longer, but he's going to be a rock none-the-less - or so it appears.

5. Wayne Lyons, CB - Stanford (6'1" 195)
I'm not thrilled with Lyons, seems too stiff to stick in man and isn't physical to press. Seems lost in zone. I need to watch more of him I think, but I'm not on board yet.

6. Jeff Luc, ILB - Cincinnati (6'1 251)
This is a guy I can get on board with as a late round pick. He still needs work, but he's finally showing he wants to put work into football. He could be something, but he's not a guy you take overly early given the history.

6. Terrance Plummer, ILB - Central Florida (6'2" 241)
I like plummer. He plays fast, he seems like a student of the game. He is always aware of the ball on the field. You can't teach those things. He can get bigger, stronger, faster. He's a guy I think can become a leader. Not sure what he'll become with certainty, but there's alot to like about his game.

7. Justin McCay, WR - Kansas (6'2" 210)
Meh. This is not a guy I would draft. I don't think he'll separate from defensive backs in the pros. Not enough experience. He could bounce around on a practice squad for a few years as a UDFA, but that's about all I see unless he learns the game from the PS.

Let's start with a couple things here aside from my individual analysis of each player...
3 ILBs? I'm not sure about that. One early, one late, yeah I'm on board with that. Take another late flyer on something else, maybe a skill position.

You say you like Jeff Allen, that's admirable. I don't, so I'm not enamored with one 5th round pick to address O-line. I'm worried about RT. I hate to keep picking the garbage bin. I'm worred about LG and OG depth. Maybe you get a starter out of Miller, but there is no depth either on this team.

You address WR with a Junior that should not declare, and looks every bit like he could end up being an NFL problem child if he does decare. The only other option is a guy in McCay that might become something after a couple years on a PS. Unless you have a plan to bring in free agents at the position, this screams of another shit year at the position.

I don't like your solution to the DE problem that isn't even really that much of a problem. I can live with our current defensive line if they retain what is here now, sans perhaps a backup NT that can take some snaps from Poe here and there. The real problem against the run is no ILBs that can come down and fill and you address that.

I'd say, go with this:

1.
2. S Prewitt
3. LB Kendricks
3.
4. TE Heuerman
4.
5. OG Miller
5.
6. LB Plummer
6.
7.

Fill in the blanks with something new. :)

Hoover 12-03-2014 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 11163579)
1. Danny Shelton, NT - Washington (6'2" 340)
Your plan is to draft a guy to play the spot we already have a STUD at in order do move said stud from that spot to defensive end... I'm not on board with this. Poe is very good where he is at and his athleticsm, strength, and size are what make him so good there. I want a disruptive DE, but I don't think Poe has that type of stamina to consistently come from the edge instead of straight up the middle. So... bad pick in my book. Shelton is a good football player but I don't think this is what you do to fix what you want to fix, and that is the defensive end position.

And couldn't you also make the argument that Doresy is once again using a first round pick on someone to replace a stud? It's pretty much the same philosophy of the Dee Ford pick which everyone around here hates.

RunKC 12-03-2014 01:58 PM

Mike McGlynn is the worst rated G on pro football focus. Donald Stephenson looks like Shawn Merroidman after he was busted and Ryan Harris is just as bad.

This team needs a new LG and RT bad. I don't care how they do it. I would prefer free agency, but knowing Reid he'll probably take a tackle rd 1.

RealSNR 12-03-2014 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 11164180)
Mike McGlynn is the worst rated G on pro football focus. Donald Stephenson looks like Shawn Merroidman after he was busted and Ryan Harris is just as bad.

This team needs a new LG and RT bad. I don't care how they do it. I would prefer free agency, but knowing Reid he'll probably take a tackle rd 1.

When has Stephenson seen the field since he's been back?

The Franchise 12-03-2014 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 11164304)
When has Stephenson seen the field since he's been back?

Second half of the Broncos game.

RunKC 12-03-2014 03:15 PM

He's played mostly as the extra OL since he came back.

O.city 12-03-2014 05:58 PM

I'd draft Kendrick and send one of our late picks to balt for Arthur brown and see if he can still play


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