If Teddy Bridgewater really does fall, do you draft him?
 

I'm seeing rumors that Bridgewater is falling like a rock. He might even slip into the 2nd round.

You are making the Chiefs selection at #23 and Teddy Bridgewater has fallen, do you pick him?

Did you watch that playoff game last year?

The dude will be a footnote in three years. He'd be good in the CFL, I'm guessing.

Holy Shit, YES

We would be stupid to pass on him.

you guys are dreaming if you think the Chiefs are drafting a QB this year.

Oh hells no.

Serious holes at OL, WR, LB, S and you want to take a guy who will compete for the fourth QB spot?

Shit, add in OLB, CB and OT too before you think about a QB.

****ing Freddy Bilgewater...

Seriously?

The guy looks like a stiff wind would break him in half. Shitty release. Bad feet.

**** that.

reeruns.

Manziel

The question isn't whether we think the Chiefs will draft him.

If he falls to our second pick in the sixth round, damn right we should run to the podium.

No, provides zero improvement to our current roster and will not help us win at all.

I say absolutely. The kid was projected as the first overall pick just a couple of months ago. If he falls to 23, you just can't pass on him. If Dorsey is truly picking BPA and not for need then I can't see him not picking Bridgewater. Man how I would love to see KC have the next Aaron Rodgers. Not comparing their playing strengths and weaknesses, just how Rodgers fell too and the Packers grabbed him, let him sit a couple of years, and now has a top 5 in the league franchise QB.

Would still be a waste of a pick.

I don't know that I really have an opinion about him one way or the other, but as strongly as I feel about the importance of the position, if they decide he's worth spending the 23rd pick on, I wouldn't have any issues with it, regardless of what other perceived holes the roster has. Nothing or noone else that they could possibly draft could ever have a greater positive impact on the franchise's next decade (or more) than the right QB, and if their analysis tells them that he's that right guy, then they need to pull the trigger.

Funny that sackashit responds with a gif of two of the lamest unfunny actors on the planet. I know you want to waste the pick on a guard. Was that you in the true fan gif?

Good take. I agree.

They need to be forward thinking. If they feel that way about him, pick him. If not trade the pick to someone who does

This is how stupid people get around here about the proverbial "QBOTF" first round pick.

The single biggest hole on this entire team is at OG, but you see people ridiculing that position as a possible pick because they think that if we don't use a first round pick on a QB right ****ing now that the sun will implode, go super nova and swallow the earth.

The QB position is the last one that needs to be addressed. They've got Smith - a guy who can win in the playoffs, Daniel showed he's a capable backup in the San Diego game and you got a rookie last season who has all the tools to be an elite level guy at the position. What else do you need at the position? So, let's summarize...a 29 year old starter with playoff experience, a 27 year old backup and a 22 year old dude with the tools to groom.

Yeah, let's use that first round pick on another QB. That makes sense.

Oh, that's right, we need to draft our own first round pick who we all know will be in the ****ing Hall of Fame because the Chiefs would draft him. That's why we wanted Jimmy Clausen. Because we'd finally get that Hall of Fame QB and he'd be all ours and nobody else's and we'd have picked him in the first round and the curse of Blackledge will be finally off this team and we'll win the Super Bowl in his rookie season because he'd be the starter because he'd be our first round pick and nobody else's and we'd be the envy of the league because we'd have a first round QB picked who will be in the Hall of Fame who will win the Super Bowl his rookie year because we picked him in the first round.

That's why.

Let pick some fat ass guard that won't finish the season and will leave in 3 years..... Bad ass.

It would be a better pick than Freddy Bilgewater.

IF he is the best player on their board when we pick, absolutely.

Why do you hate Bridgewater so much Sac? You've hated him since last years game vs Florida.

Yes.

The thing that does give me pause about the kid is when he talked about almost walking away from football as a freshman because he wasnt the starter. How much effort would he put in to try and pry the starters job from Alex Smith if we did draft him to be the long term answer? Does he truly love the game enough to put in the time it takes to develop all of his skills? Does he have the intestinal fortitude (thanks bobby heenan) to watch film and lift weights ON HIS OWN TIME?

The weight lifting part is HUGE because he wouldn't play right away (unless Alex gets injured) and his legs are made of pixie sticks. His arms look like he hasn't ever touched a weight. Those things lead me to believe he has gotten by strictly on talent to this point and he would need to completely refine his outlook on the game in the future to realize his potential.

Does he have it in him to do that?

If the answer is yes, you run to the podium and select him.

If the answer is no, you select the player on the board that provides the team the best impact.

we are in win now mode. I want immediate impact. I voted no

Because Alex Smith went to Utah.

The teams offseason thus far doesn't support the claim that we are in win now mode.

Do you think he is?

common sense tells you that the 15 of the best players are going to be gone, there will be some surprises about the other 8.

Is Bridgewater that good?

Bridgewater > Marquise Lee?
Bridgewater > Brandin Cook?

What possible players will be there that you would take over Bridgewater?

It sure doesn't

It looks like we did a quick band-aid last year and are now on to the rebuild.


Or Dorsey and Reid really think we were robbed last year and are ready to win with existing talent.

It's a bold play, but I'm pretty sure they feel they've got in house talent that can replace and be better than what they lost/didn't sign.

Added to that this years draft, I guess.

It's a bold play counting on slot of unknowns though

I would take lee or cooks over bridgewater right now

We seemed to be in win now mode last year. I'm not so sure that's the case now, but I guess some things could change. Some things better change.

If he lasts that long, the chiefs could really make some headway in a trade down.

Say Houston would be willing to give up their 2nd, 3rd and another pick, I'd think about it

No

I don't think we're in win now mode. You can't beat Manning in the modern NFL, even if he's got 52 dregs on the team with him. We saw that last year.

I'd take that deal, but I'd try to squeeze a 4th or 5th more, too.

I think it's a combination of last year being every bit as much rebuild as this year and them believing more in incumbent talent on the roster than the rest of us.

He's a guy you are going to have to groom.

He's going to have to fill in his frame.

He's going to have to work on his feet.

He's going to have to correct his throwing motion.

He's going to have to work on his progressions.

You never really know about a guy until he gets the chance, but I don't see the foundation to really build a high level starter from with Bridgewater.

And furthermore, is this the guy you want to groom versus Bray?

Because that's the real question. Bray or Bridgewater. Both are projects that are going to require another couple of years before they are truly ready.

This would be the ideal solution.

That extra high third could go a long way in netting a very good player at a position of need. And we'd likely get the same guy with the #33 pick that we will with the #23 pick.

Yeah for sure

If you draft him, let him sit for a year, Let Alex walk and dont pay him a big contract, then you can sign some playmakers.

As shitty as this franchise has been, i say you just draft him, if he's the number 1 guy. I do want to win now, but if this gives us a chance at a real QBOTF, then you always always take that chance.

With that being said. We are the ****ing Chiefs, we arent drafting a stinking qb.

You really start rebuilding a team by trading the 1st pick of the 2nd round and next year's 2nd rounder for a QB?

I heard them talking on the radio the other day. In a poll like 55% of Chief fans said they would pass on Manziel if he were there and Bridgewater if he were there in the 1st round. I think the phrase they used was Chiefs fans don't want to "dare to be great" at the QB spot.

Unless its Johnny ****ing Manziel, this team isn't drafting a 1st rd QB AND re-signing Alex Smith. It's simply not going to happen. And even Manziel did fall to KC, I still highly doubt Reid/Dorsey would pull the trigger on that.

Honestly, you have to have a quarterback in this league to compete at all. Alex Smith helps the Chiefs compete, which is the first step toward turning the ship around. You simply can't go into the 2013 season with Matt Cassel as your quarterback, and the NFL isn't a Madden game where you can tank a year by starting former secretary of state Madeleine O'Connell for a year.*



*Yeah, I know about Curtis Painter. I can't explain Curtis Painter.

While I understand people not wanting to draft him, I wouldn't give a shit if we drafting a QB with every single pick we had for the next 3 years if the end result was we picked up a franchise QB. Having a franchise QB locking down that spot for the next 15 years makes it all worth while. That being said, nothing is a guarantee. Go BPA for the most part but if you do reach, a QB isn't a bad position to reach on.

Bray and Bridgewater both require work, therefore they are the same. Sacc really needs to kill himself.

Also, I'm not super high on Bridgewater, but that's pretty good surplus value. The Chiefs aren't winning anything with their current roster construction, so they might as well build towards a workable future rather than just making sure that Arrowhead is a hopping scene for murderers and barbeque-engorged Jabbas.

Didn't I just say that? That both are projects/groomers and that we already have Bray on the roster in that role - a guy who has tools for the trade?

Actually, they won nine more games than the previous season with that current roster, coaching staff and front office, fyi. Their QB position is pretty young and has shown the capacity to win. So let's just keep adding to it for the sake of being able to tell everyone we finally got that first round QB of our very own.

I'd say that's worth a shot of attempting to put together a relatively well stocked team versus pissing away a first round draft pick on a guy who, for all intent and purpose, is a lesser version (less arm, less size) of what they picked up for free last season (Bray).

You do if a QB you like and that you view as a long-term answer is available. I would assume they expect him to play until his mid 30s, so we're probably talking in the neighborhood of 7 years as a starter here, for all the talk about it being a "win now" move. I think it's always been a multifaceted trade, a known quantity at QB to build around now while at the same time a guy who's young enough to play for a number of years.

So while I've never been a fan of Alex Smith and I was never in favor of the move (particularly for the price they overpaid), I do understand the philosophy behind it. He was Reid's guy and he was available. That's kind of a no-brainer from their perspective.

I just don't have much faith that he can be as good as they apparently believe that he can.

No only because I heard Tyler Wilson is available.

Jesus ****. No, the single biggest hole on this team is not at OG. You can not straight faced post that you wouldn't take Bridgewater because it would be a wasted pick and then advocate to take a guard at 23. No ****ing way.

No.

You can't let Smith walk after giving up two second round picks and designing the offense around him.

The stats on taking a QB who isn't a consensus #1 or #2 overall draft pick aren't good. I mean, the draft is one big crap shoot, but the dice seem loaded against mid-late round QB's in recent years (I only went back 5 years).

Yeah, you can.

I would strongly consider it. I'm not a huge Bridgewater fan, but if the focus of this offseason/draft is rebuilding with cheap, young talent, a slipping QB can be a big piece of that.

Everything they've done so far this offseason has indicated they are NOT in win-now mode. In that case, you take the best player with the most upside at No. 23 (and every other pick). You never draft for need unless you're drafting to add the final piece of a championship puzzle (and even then, I'd lean to drafting the upside over the fit).

we didn't have any money to spend this offseason though right? I still think we're in win now mode. Our core players are about to hit their downhill. take the best wr at 23 or just bpa and play for another wild card

bpa = anything but qb at 23

If you're in win-now mode, you can always create some cap space by moving around contracts.

A rookie guard is probably going to suck dick if you fill him in immediately as a starter.

At least your rookie QB will be on the bench for the first year.

:clap: - Teddy is Ready

If he is available, which I can't believe he would be, you jump on that shit like it's the winning lotto ticket

Fixed it for you.

I voted no due to our many other needs elsewhere. I think he can be a solid guy, just not a game changer.

fyp

Bridgewater won't fall to the second, and I seriously doubt he will fall to 23. If Bridgewater fell to #31 then I'm thinking the Broncos would throw out a "anyone wanna trade?" flag so as to cash in on another team moving up for Bridgewater.

but yah, if Bridgewater is there I think kc has to take him.

Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout 2h

"There's no Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck in this class." Well no shit. There wasn't in the 15 classes between them either.

Nobody thought Green Bay would spend their first round pick on Rodgers. Didn't they get him after falling to about 23? How old was Favre then? I believe Dorsey was a part of that war room right? I would like to see where Dorsey has Bridgewater on his draft board. If he truly drafts BPA and not based on need, and he has him ranked around 10-15 on his board and he is still available, then he is the choice right? Position or need doesn't matter if BPA is who you draft.

We have a starter at QB for 1 more year. How is QB not a need?

Alex Smith is not a guy you can't throw away. You can.

If Bridgewater is there at 23, and they have scouted him to the point where he is in the top 3 on their draft board of the players left then it would be ****ing stupid to pass on him. You could sit him for a year, let Alex play his remaining year and then let him go, maybe even tag and trade him, and use the saved 8-9mil a year to sign Houston.

Alex is a top 15-20 QB at best. If you pass on a QB you like because you have a bottom half QB as your starter then you deserve to ****ing lose.

No. You take a player at a position of need, or trade down. I would suspect that someone would want to come up and grab him.

If Bridgewater falls to the second round, then all the scouts, coaches and GMs found something very, very wrong with him. I'd even be wary of a Rodgers-like slide - when Rodgers slid nine years ago, there wasn't as great of an emphasis on drafting QBs high. In just a few years, the pendulum swung back so hard that Blaine Gabbert was seriously being considered as a possible #1 overall pick.

Drafting for a position of need in the 1st round (if the talent is there) is a great way to end up with another ****ing Tyson Jackson.

lolwut?

Go back and look at the first round of that draft. Smith went #1 to the 49ers, and then a bunch of teams (not including the Chiefs, surprisingly) caught the dumbass. Troy Williamson? Pac-Man Jones? Mike Williams? Cedric Benson? Mother of God...

Nice job, Captain Hindsight.

Hey, it's not like Alex Smith was drafted number 1 that year, or Eli and Rivers were taken 1 and 4 the year before, with Roethlisberger at 11. Or Palmer at 1 and Leftwich at 7 the year before that. Or Carr at 1 and Harrington at 3 the year before that. Or Vick at 1 the year before that.

since I don't want to look that draft up, what other QBs were available in that draft?

I'll use the Bears as an example. They already had a pretty good RB in Thomas Jones, and they were running Rex Grossman out there every week. Now, Grossman had already suffered one season ending injury, and the 2004 campaign proved the Bears had no QB depth whatsoever, so did they draft the best QB available? No, they drafted the running back.

Matt Cassel.

Jason Campbell was the other QB drafted in the first round that year. 3 of the first 5 picks were RBs.

Worked out pretty well for them and their SB win.

LMAO