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Do you think the NFL is "rigged?"
Pretty simple question: Do you think the NFL is "rigged?"
Specifically, do you believe the NFL has a preferred outcome for games AND orders its officiating crews to make calls for/against teams for the purpose of achieving that preferred outcome? |
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There are bullshit calls, and certain QBs get breaks, but I don't believe it's orchestrated. |
May as well be WWE.
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certain teams with certain QBs definitely get breaks, but its not rigged.
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No. But favorable players get favorable calls. Peyton Manning vs Bernard Pollard, who do you think will get the call. Brady vs Suh... pretty much any QB and the majority of wr's over db's.
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Only when Denver or New England plays somebody.
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The main reason I reject this is because it is the most potentially fatal thing the NFL could do to it's brand, not because they are above it. It only takes one whistle-blower, one ref "coming clean" and it would be absolutely disastrous. There would be an almost 100% chance of this happening. The NFL knows this.
What I think does happen is that referees, in all sports, tend to favor star players. In baseball you hear it with calling balls and strikes and who "gets the calls". It's been that way since forever. In NFL, those stars tend to be the MVP-caliber quarterbacks. |
I think there are protected players
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The league's emphasis on bubble-wrapping the QB has really changed the way the game is played, because you can barely hit them at all anymore. Same with receivers, you can't hit them or cover them the same way you used to be able to.
Almost every rule change in recent years has skewed things away from the ground game and toward the passing game. You also have officials looking closely for these things they are told by the league office that we're calling now, and missing things like holding calls. |
Its getting more and more flawed and less like the NFL...
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I don't think there is anything like the star system in the NBA where the "name" players can get away with anything and get all the calls.
There does seem to be a trend where the calls at critical points in the game disproportionately favor a few of the star QBs. Look at the Pats/Browns game yesterday. |
Fwiw, Denver is one of the most penalized team in the league. So there's that...
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It sure seems like they work to get certain matchups that would be favorable for ratings. Who knows.
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I think its clear that the nfl sees trends happening for specific teams and you see those sane officiating crews in a poorly officiated game change their behavior in their mercy game. The calls that they should have called previously gets called in the next game but it doesn't affect the sane behavior from the team that commuted those offenses that were questionable. Thus Denver running pick plays, the same ref crew yesterday called two of them.
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It's not COMPLETELY rigged, but there is obvious bias and preference to push the games in certain directions, ala the NBA (but not as bad). |
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if you mean rigged like WWE then no.
If you mean there have been several instances where NFL officials deceived the public, yes. If you mean the NFL rigged the game for the masses who don't know the diff between a tough win & a shootout, yes. If you mean the NFL rigged the game for FFL stat fruitcakes & a bunch more vegas action, yes. |
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Too many people, too much pride, too much money involved for someone not to get pissed and pull the plug.
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If there was a directive from the office, the league would fold. Any person that ever bought a ticket or paid for Sunday ticket would be able to sue for their money back
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Name one time this year that Denver had a game changing penalty on a big play.... Yet game after game, once they are comfortably ahead, then do we start seeing holding calls, but not when it matters. |
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The question is whether the NFL orders the refs to make calls to influence the game outcome. I'm sure the NFL has a preference who is in the playoffs and SB because they know some teams will pull bigger ratings. But I can't see that the refs would care. So it comes back to whether the NFL is telling the refs to try to alter the game outcome. |
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http://www.debate.org/opinions/is-the-nfl-rigged In 2007 a Jets season ticket holder sued the NFL for $185 million and the case reached the US Supreme Court. The Jets fan argued that, all Jets fans are entitled to refunds because they paid for a ticket to a legitimate sporting event. Had he been aware that the games were not real then we would not have gone. The Judge stated that a ticket to a game only provides you access to the stadium. The fan entered the stadium, witnessed a game, therefore he did not suffer any damages. The fan's lawyer disagreed and argued that the NFL committed consumer fraud. Judges ruled that fixing a game for entertainment purposes was completely LEGAL. |
We can make a test case. There's not a chance in hell the NFL would want Seattle, with their repeated PED and other drug violations, anywhere near the Super Bowl. So let's see if some controversial call goes against them.
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That doesn't mean that fraud would be legal at all. |
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The push is from the NFL offices, from the commissioner down. The refs care because their superiors care because there is a lot of money on the line, especially with the Vegas connection. |
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I don't want to believe it, but the refereeing is having is effecting games. Off the top of my head bad/questionable calls changed 2 games yesterday.
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I think Rain Man said it best...
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I am sure Seattle has a different opinion of the garbage that went on during that superbowl... |
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His statement about the lawsuit is incorrect though. |
It is amazing to me that so many people spend so much money and so much time following a team and a sport where they think the outcome is predetermined or at least rigged to a large degree. That makes no sense to me.
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Oh yeah.
How else can you explain Denver winning with Tebow? |
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Many different sets of eyes on it now, unlike 5 years ago... |
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http://www.examiner.com/article/supr...g-spygate-suit "The Supreme Court today decided not to hear the appeal in the lawsuit brought by disgruntled New York Jets fan Carl Mayer against the New England Patriots over the “Spygate” scandal. Mayer, a lawyer, was suing the Patriots on behalf of all Jets’ fans, seeking millions in damages for essentially cheating. By not hearing this case, the Supreme Court not just upheld the lower court’s dismissal of Mayer’s suit, but in a very real sense helped prove that a league like the NFL could legally fix its own games. |
Money controls everything there is no God only money
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Here's another thing--the NFL allowed replay review and ever since has been expanding its use. Now, EVERY scoring play is reviewed, even without a challenge. One of the things that would be easiest for a ref to fudge on is spotting the ball--and that's even reviewable. No, penalties are not reviewable, but the expansion of replay is not the act of a league that is trying to use the refs to alter the game.
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Billionaire owners are betting millions on these games, they aren't going to put them in the hands of 21-35 year-olds. I think it is fixed for point, just like that old article said.
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You also seem to be leaving out something. There's a million things the refs need to watch, and there are a lot of big, fast guys running around. They are going to miss some stuff, no question. There will even be some big ****-ups. That doesn't mean it's rigged. |
No.
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Certain teams have figured it out:
1. Refs can't look everywhere at everything. Design your offense to bend/break the rules. You don't get caught every time. 2. Make sure your players bitch on every incompletion. You'll get some. 3. If you have a star QB, you get the benefit if the doubt on some calls. Not fixed, just sucks. |
Wow. 40% of Chiefsplaneteers actually believe the NFL is rigged, but they watch anyway?
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I think the NFL does have some teams get the benefit of the doubt but it's not to the point where you can't beat them. I think the NFL allows Denvers O line to get away with murder for their holds to keep Manning healthy. But I don't think they go into games saying this team has to win
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How many pick plays does Denver run every game vs. how many times the refs throw a flag. There's your answer.
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Fixed? No. Underhanded? Yes. |
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I totally agree. I remember a game back at camerohead where kc won after a kick return for a TD. On that play the ref was standing right in front of a Broncos player who was blocked in the back by the cheat'n chiefs. No flag. But, it gets better. There was a few more block in the backs that also didn't get flagged and kc ended up winning that game. cheat'n chiefs gonna cheat some.
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I don't think it is fixed like the WWE but I feel pretty confidant in saying that the star players get star treatment.
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I don't think the NFL is rigged but I do think the refs feel pressure from certain teams and superstar players to call more penalties on their behalf.
Yesterday there were at least two HORRIBLE calls that probably changed the outcome of the game. The FAKE pass interference call on the Browns at the end of the game that gave the Pats a first and goal. The FAKE pass interference call on the Vikings when the Ravens player tripped on his own that negated a game ending INT for the Vikings with little time left. I heard there were a few more but probably not as big as these two. I think this year's referees have been some of the worst I've ever seen. The roughing the passer call on Flowers earlier this year when he brushed feet with the QB was so bad. I think the NFL has a problem developing because it's getting worse, not better. |
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Also I think some NFL refrees are horrible, for example Jeff Triplett. He should have been fired along time ago. He is ****ing awful. Quote:
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