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DenverChief 09-07-2013 03:41 PM

Best All Time AFC West QB's
 
I was talking with a friend of mine and we got on the topic of All time best players by position in a specific division.

It would be cool to see if we can get a consensus. The only rules are that the players must be the best at their position for each team. What is the definition of best? There are no clear cut lines, however a few guidelines: Hall of fame inductee, super bowl appearances, statistical dominance and team effectiveness while employed by that team. Players who established greatness with another team can only be considered if they continued amazing accomplishments with their new team.

Only Current AFC West teams will be considered - Seattle will be considered NFC west in another poll.


***EDIT***

Network fail - lost connectivity and lost ability to set up a poll maybe a mod could fix?

Supposed to be BY TEAM

DEN:
Elway
Morton
Manning
Plummer
Cutler

SD:
Fouts
Rivers
Flutie
Humphries

KC:
Dawson
Green
Montana
DeBerg

OAK:
Stabler
Gannon
Hostetler
Schroeder

vailpass 09-07-2013 03:43 PM

Elway, like it or not.

BlackHelicopters 09-07-2013 03:46 PM

In. Elway.

BlackHelicopters 09-07-2013 03:48 PM

Plunkett won two SB I think.

lewdog 09-07-2013 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 9947646)
The only rules are that the players bust be the best at their position for each team.

Bust be the best? Sounds like a term definitely coined by the Chiefs. We've had plenty of really good bust QBs.

Brodie Croyle, 0-10.

DenverChief 09-07-2013 03:56 PM

Network fail - lost connectivity and lost ability to set up a poll maybe a mod could fix?

Supposed to be BY TEAM

DEN:
Elway
Morton
Manning
Plummer
Cutler

SD:
Fouts
Rivers
Flutie
Humphries

KC:
Dawson
Green
Montana
DeBerg

OAK:
Stabler
Gannon
Hostetler
Schroeder

ChiefsCountry 09-07-2013 03:57 PM

Hall of Famers
John Elway
Len Dawson
Dan Fouts

Raider Studs
Kenny Stabler
Daryl Lammonica

Hall of Famers at the End of the Career
Joe Montana
Peyton Manning

DenverChief 09-07-2013 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 9947673)
Bust be the best? Sounds like a term definitely coined by the Chiefs. We've had plenty of really good bust QBs.

Brodie Croyle, 0-10.

nice catch

Prison Bitch 09-07-2013 04:02 PM

Elway, Fouts a ways back, then everyone else

DenverChief 09-07-2013 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9947716)
Elway, Fouts a ways back, then everyone else

It is supposed to be by team - if you had to pick the best from each team

vailpass 09-07-2013 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 9947722)
It is supposed to be by team - if you had to pick the best from each team

Elway, Fouts, Stabler, Dawson.

Mojo Jojo 09-07-2013 04:32 PM

WTH...While not Fouts how could you not put John Hadl down as a Chargers great QB...4 straight seasons averaging 3,000 yards and 23 TDs per with a 14 game schedule. Major mistake.

DenverChief 09-07-2013 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mojo Jojo (Post 9947798)
WTH...While not Fouts how could you not put John Hadl down as a Chargers great QB...4 straight seasons averaging 3,000 yards and 23 TDs per with a 14 game schedule. Major mistake.

TBH I had to google all time best SD QB's (other than Fouts and Brees) I had no idea

vailpass 09-07-2013 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mojo Jojo (Post 9947798)
WTH...While not Fouts how could you not put John Hadl down as a Chargers great QB...4 straight seasons averaging 3,000 yards and 23 TDs per with a 14 game schedule. Major mistake.

Leather helmets gave him an advantage:D

DenverChief 09-07-2013 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 9947807)
Leather helmets gave him an advantage:D

LMAO - Wasn't trying to go too far past the days of the NFL

Rain Man 09-07-2013 04:47 PM

Other than Dawson the AFC West has pretty much been the Gobi Desert of great QBs. I guess I'd reluctantly add Fouts as his backup and then maybe Stabler as the clipboard carrier.

vailpass 09-07-2013 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 9947837)
Other than Dawson the AFC West has pretty much been the Gobi Desert of great QBs. I guess I'd reluctantly add Fouts as his backup and then maybe Stabler as the clipboard carrier.

:D Ass.

DenverChief 09-07-2013 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 9947837)
Other than Dawson the AFC West has pretty much been the Gobi Desert of great QBs. I guess I'd reluctantly add Fouts as his backup and then maybe Stabler as the clipboard carrier.

LMAO

milkman 09-07-2013 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mojo Jojo (Post 9947798)
WTH...While not Fouts how could you not put John Hadl down as a Chargers great QB...4 straight seasons averaging 3,000 yards and 23 TDs per with a 14 game schedule. Major mistake.

John Hadl was the best QB in the AFL, and should have been named the All AFL QB instead of Lenny Dawson.
Dawson had the advantage of playing on one of the best teams in the league.

Other than Johnny U, I don't think there was a better QB in that era.

Deberg_1990 09-07-2013 04:59 PM

Don't sleep on Stan Humphries

MMXcalibur 09-07-2013 05:01 PM

Tyler Palko didn't make the list?

vailpass 09-07-2013 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 9947880)
Don't sleep on Stan Humphries

not even on my drunkest night.

vailpass 09-07-2013 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCtotheSB (Post 9947885)
Tyler Palko didn't make the list?

He can hold the clip board that has the list.

DenverChief 09-07-2013 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCtotheSB (Post 9947885)
Tyler Palko didn't make the list?


I was close to adding Blackledge and Thigpen but Palko was a distant 10th

Rain Man 09-07-2013 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 9947844)
:D Ass.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 9947849)
LMAO


I have a policy.

vailpass 09-07-2013 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 9947991)
I have a policy.

Oh I'm well aware.

Kaepernick 09-07-2013 08:03 PM

Jim Plunkett won 2 super bowls with the Raiders & MVP in one of them.

I don't blame you for blockiig that out of your psyche, but he belongs on a poll.

I would still choose Snake. It is not Kenny Stabler's fault the Steel Curtain stole 4 SB trophies from the silver and black.

DenverChief 09-07-2013 08:20 PM

I relly think Dwayne Bowe and Demarius Thomas have a shot at being All AFC West in the Next 5-7 years

Just keeping with the theme :)

notorious 09-07-2013 08:20 PM

Rick Stanzi?

WTF!?

DenverChief 09-07-2013 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaepernick (Post 9948485)
Jim Plunkett won 2 super bowls with the Raiders & MVP in one of them.

I don't blame you for blockiig that out of your psyche, but he belongs on a poll.

I would still choose Snake. It is not Kenny Stabler's fault the Steel Curtain stole 4 SB trophies from the silver and black.

Plunkett probably should have made the list but it's not about SB wins/HOF inductions

Its the overall picture - how many good years, how many championships (Division/Conference/NFL) Touchdowns, passing yards (lack of) interceptions, Wins - etc etc

mlyonsd 09-07-2013 08:23 PM

No Lamonica for the raiders?

RNR 09-07-2013 08:28 PM

LMAO fail again bro~

Kaepernick 09-07-2013 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mlyonsd (Post 9948556)
No Lamonica for the raiders?

How could he forget the mad bomber?

OrtonsPiercedTaint 09-07-2013 08:33 PM

In that Blurred Lines song they keep singing, Bray-a-hay. In the back ground.

DenverChief 09-07-2013 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaepernick (Post 9948572)
How could he forget the mad bomber?

:shrug:

vailpass 09-07-2013 08:54 PM

Do we all agree the best of the West was Elway?

mlyonsd 09-07-2013 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaepernick (Post 9948572)
How could he forget the mad bomber?

I can still remember him throwing against the Chiefs with Curt Gowdy doing the play by play.

vailpass 09-07-2013 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mlyonsd (Post 9948709)
I can still remember him throwing against the Chiefs with Curt Gowdy doing the play by play.

Gowdy is a legend.

RNR 09-07-2013 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 9948700)
Do we all agree the best of the West was Elway?

It hurts but I have said before he is the best I have seen play. If there is a better QB I have not seen him and I have seen quite a few~

vailpass 09-07-2013 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RNR (Post 9948729)
It hurts but I have said before he is the best I have seen play. If there is a better QB I have not seen him and I have seen quite a few~

Props. I'd have said the same if he was a Raider. Guy just had it.

milkman 09-07-2013 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 9948727)
Gowdy is a legend.

He is, but I thought Charlie Jones was better.
Favorite play by play ever.

Kaepernick 09-07-2013 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 9948700)
Do we all agree the best of the West was Elway?

Surely you jest. Played in 3 super bowl losses including a 55-10 point blowout to the 49ers. That is not all on Elway, he didn't play on defense. But an ability to move the chains would have taken the ball out of the 49ers hands.

He flat stunk. 10 for 26 for 108 yards and 0 TDs.

He was a great QB and earned his slot in the hall of fame from the complete body of his work, but I'm not convinced he is the creme of the division.

Edit: Upon further review, welp, yes Elway is the all-time best QB from the NFC west, much as it chokes me to say it. I hate Elway and always will. Big baby.

ChiefsCountry 09-07-2013 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RNR (Post 9948729)
It hurts but I have said before he is the best I have seen play. If there is a better QB I have not seen him and I have seen quite a few~

Montana was better but he didn't play long enough in the AFC West. But yes Elway was the best quarterback in the division, that SOB was good.

vailpass 09-07-2013 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaepernick (Post 9948764)
Surely you jest. Played in 3 super bowl losses including a 55-10 point blowout to the 49ers. That is not all on Elway, he didn't play on defense. But an ability to move the chains would have taken the ball out of the 49ers hands.

He flat stunk. 10 for 26 for 108 yards and 0 TDs.

He was a great QB but I'm not convinced he is the creme of the division.

The ONLY reason they got to those 3SBs was Elway. Come on man.

ChiefsCountry 09-07-2013 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9948760)
He is, but I thought Charlie Jones was better.
Favorite play by play ever.

I loved Charlie Jones voice. Great broadcaster. Also I liked Dick Enberg as well.

vailpass 09-07-2013 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 9948765)
Montana was better but he didn't play long enough in the AFC West. But yes Elway was the best quarterback in the division, that SOB was good.

Props. And he was better than good, he was hof great. The plays he made, the 40 yard rockets across his body with a man hanging off him, haven't been seen since. Love him or hate him, you have to respect the play.

vailpass 09-07-2013 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9948760)
He is, but I thought Charlie Jones was better.
Favorite play by play ever.

Loved Jones.

DenverChief 09-07-2013 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 9948783)
Props. And he was better than good, he was hof great. The plays he made, the 40 yard rockets across his body with a man hanging off him, haven't been seen since. Love him or hate him, you have to respect the play.

Agreed

milkman 09-07-2013 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 9948780)
I loved Charlie Jones voice. Great broadcaster. Also I liked Dick Enberg as well.

Merlin Olsen, who partnered with Enberg as the color commentator, is the bestever in that role to me.

vailpass 09-07-2013 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9948796)
Merlin Olsen, who partnered with Enberg as the color commentator, is the bestever in that role to me.

Am I alone in liking Madden?

milkman 09-07-2013 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaepernick (Post 9948764)
Surely you jest. Played in 3 super bowl losses including a 55-10 point blowout to the 49ers. That is not all on Elway, he didn't play on defense. But an ability to move the chains would have taken the ball out of the 49ers hands.

He flat stunk. 10 for 26 for 108 yards and 0 TDs.

He was a great QB and earned his slot in the hall of fame from the complete body of his work, but I'm not convinced he is the creme of the division.

Edit: Upon further review, welp, yes Elway is the all-time best QB from the NFC west, much as it chokes me to say it. I hate Elway and always will. Big baby.

The AFC was an incredibly weak conference in those days, and the Broncos were really not a very good team.

Elway, more than any other single player, carried his team to those SBs.

milkman 09-07-2013 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 9948806)
Am I alone in liking Madden?

No.

I am pretty sure I am alone in hating him from the first time he entered the booth.

vailpass 09-07-2013 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9948810)
The AFC was an incredibly weak conference in those days, and the Broncos were really not a very good team.

Elway, more than any other single player, carried his team to those SBs.

You know your ball. We had shit and Elway willed us there.

vailpass 09-07-2013 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9948818)
No.

I am pretty sure I am alone in hating him from the first time he entered the booth.

Fair. I actually meet Madden on a team bus in 1976 when I was a little boy. He was very nice to me, liked him ever since. Liked Cosell too though those memories are hazy.

ChiefsCountry 09-07-2013 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9948796)
Merlin Olsen, who partnered with Enberg as the color commentator, is the bestever in that role to me.

I am too young to have heard Olsen in the booth. But considering he was also an actor I could believe you in saying he was great in the booth.

milkman 09-07-2013 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 9948828)
Fair. I actually meet Madden on a team bus in 1976 when I was a little boy. He was very nice to me, liked him ever since. Liked Cosell too though those memories are hazy.

I got over that whole "BOOM, POW, BAM" thing watching Batman in the 60s.
Shit just irritated the hell out of me.

vailpass 09-07-2013 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 9948836)
I am too young to have heard Olsen in the booth. But considering he was also an actor I could believe you in saying he was great in the booth.

He was damn good. Knew his ball, knew the booth.

vailpass 09-07-2013 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9948848)
I got over that whole "BOOM, POW, BAM" thing watching Batman in the 60s.
Shit just irritated the hell out of me.

Totally get that. Lots of my friends were the same way. I appreciated the passion.

crossbow 09-07-2013 10:12 PM

Elway, no question. He had it all and was one of the few that could block out Arrowhead distractions and still play with authority.

Jiu Jitsu Jon 09-07-2013 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 9948856)
Totally get that. Lots of my friends were the same way. I appreciated the passion.

Don't see many coaches smoking on the sidelines during games these days. I agree also that Plunkett needs to be on there. Most rings won by a Raider QB.

okcchief 09-07-2013 10:40 PM

Elway slam dunk.

listopencil 09-07-2013 10:53 PM

Out of your list?

DEN:
Elway
Morton
(Manning)

SD:
Fouts
Humphries

KC:
Dawson
DeBerg
(Montana)

OAK:
Stabler
Gannon

I don't think Manning should count for the Broncos, and I don't think Montana should count for the Chiefs.


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