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In58men 07-21-2013 01:26 PM

Calling all car mechanics.
 
I'm trying to change out parts in my work car to keep it running better. It's a 96 Saturn SL1. She's been a good car for me so far. This weekend I put a new serpentine belt on, which was a pain in the ass. I also wanted to slap on a new thermostat. When I took off the old thermostat it's was missing. The previous owner must have taken it off for a reason. What could this reason be? Thanks in advance.

Buehler445 07-21-2013 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 9825448)
I'm trying to change out parts in my work car to keep it running better. It's a 96 Saturn SL1. She's been a good car for me so far. This weekend I put a new serpentine belt on, which was a pain in the ass. I also wanted to slap on a new thermostat. When I took off the old thermostat it's was missing. The previous owner must have taken it off for a reason. What could this reason be? Thanks in advance.

Probably stuck shut and they didn't want to buy another one. Put one back in.

OnTheWarpath15 07-21-2013 01:33 PM

Mr. Sauto, please pick up the white courtesy phone.

notorious 07-21-2013 01:41 PM

Antifreeze, Ball Bearings, Blinker Fluid/CP

FlaChief58 07-21-2013 01:49 PM

Your flux capacitor has most likely lost continuity between the thing ama boppy and the doo hickey. Change the anti brake fluid in the transfreeze transporter and you should be fine

Earthling 07-21-2013 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 9825450)
Probably stuck shut and they didn't want to buy another one. Put one back in.

I'd give that about a 99% probability.

bigjosh 07-21-2013 01:54 PM

if the old thermostat was bad it could have either been stuck closed, which would cause the car to overheat. Or it could have been stuck open, which would have caused the engine to never reach operating temperature and that would also cause you to have no heat in the winter.

In58men 07-21-2013 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 9825450)
Probably stuck shut and they didn't want to buy another one. Put one back in.

I did, a brand new one. I tightened everything back and installed the hose back on. I started the car and it was leaking from the thermostat body (not the hose). I turned it off and tried to wrench them a little tighter. Still leaking. Like it wasn't wanting to open up. I put the old thermostat body back on and no leaks. Not sure if there's a pressure issue or not.

FlaChief58 07-21-2013 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 9825501)
I did, a brand new one. I tightened everything back and installed the hose back on. I started the car and it was leaking from the thermostat body (not the hose). I turned it off and tried to wrench them a little tighter. Still leaking. Like it wasn't wanting to open up. I put the old thermostat body back on and no leaks. Not sure if there's a pressure issue or not.

Sounds like it got so hot it warped the metal. Have you tried any gasket seal?

bigjosh 07-21-2013 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 9825501)
I did, a brand new one. I tightened everything back and installed the hose back on. I started the car and it was leaking from the thermostat body (not the hose). I turned it off and tried to wrench them a little tighter. Still leaking. Like it wasn't wanting to open up. I put the old thermostat body back on and no leaks. Not sure if there's a pressure issue or not.

did you put a new gasket? the thermostat has to have a rubber gasket on those saturns, im pretty sure they are sold separately

In58men 07-21-2013 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by bigjosh006 (Post 9825525)
did you put a new gasket? the thermostat has to have a rubber gasket on those saturns, im pretty sure they are sold separately

New one was installed. It leaked from the housing with the whole new thermostat installed. When I took off the thermostat and just installed the body no leaks.

In58men 07-21-2013 02:11 PM

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/22/a8y2agy4.jpg


I took off the thermostat and just installed it back, like it was originally.

bigjosh 07-21-2013 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 9825545)
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/22/a8y2agy4.jpg


I took off the thermostat and just installed it back, like it was originally.

it leaked from the bolted flange right?

If your car was running fine without it (getting up to operating temperature/heat works in the winter) then I would say just leave it out.

I had a Saturn just like that one and I never had a thermostat in mine. it ran a little cooler then it was supposed to but didn't effect my heat or gas mileage so **** it.

FlaChief58 07-21-2013 02:31 PM

Check that O-ring, They can be tricky sometimes. They may look like they're ok but have a tiny flaw causing the leak.

Ace Gunner 07-21-2013 02:47 PM

not sure if known but there's a gasket to go with that assy.

Ace Gunner 07-21-2013 02:49 PM

go back to the parts store and tell the guy to look up a gasket for the thermostat housing

Ace Gunner 07-21-2013 03:02 PM

this is a generic diagram, but item #2 is the gasket. also be sure the surfaces are still clean ( they look good in your pic) apply a thin even coat of copper gasket compound to both sides of it (below)

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SAUTO 07-21-2013 03:31 PM

Makes no sense it seals with one housing and not the other.

Are you sure you didn't crack the new one when installing?
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BlackHelicopters 07-21-2013 03:43 PM

Be sure to check the fetzer valve.

In58men 07-21-2013 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 9825711)
Makes no sense it seals with one housing and not the other.

Are you sure you didn't crack the new one when installing?
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No, the new thermostat housing is in installed in my car. It leak with it on, so took it off and just installed the the body. No leaks. My old one is in the trash.

Ace Gunner 07-21-2013 03:59 PM

dude, it has to have a gasket.

SAUTO 07-21-2013 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 9825747)
No, the new thermostat housing is in installed in my car. It leak with it on, so took it off and just installed the the body. No leaks. My old one is in the trash.

Then the thermostat must not have been in the groove all the way
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In58men 07-21-2013 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls (Post 9825752)
dude, it has to have a gasket.

There was no gasket when I took it off, just an o-ring.

Ace Gunner 07-21-2013 04:12 PM

okay so no gasket needed, but this video shows the oring gets a gasket sealer applied to it

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OrtonsPiercedTaint 07-21-2013 04:13 PM

Flip her over Henry.

SAUTO 07-21-2013 04:14 PM

o rings are supposed to be installed with no sealer. In fact I use very little silicone.
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Ace Gunner 07-21-2013 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 9825780)
o rings are supposed to be installed with no sealer. In fact I use very little silicone.
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agreed, but I normally see oring seals in oil related apps, like distributor housings etc. couldn't hurt to put the sealant on there, follow the directions and it should hold.

In58men 07-21-2013 04:21 PM

I just don't know why it would leak from the housing with the new thermostat and then not leak with the thermostat out. It's spewing out and both nuts were tight.

Ace Gunner 07-21-2013 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 9825802)
I just don't know why it would leak from the housing with the new thermostat and then not leak with the thermostat out. It's spewing out and both nuts were tight.

there is a lil guide ridge in the housing -- without the thermostat in there, that ridge does not bottom out inside as you crank it tight. with the thermostat in, now it bottoms out inside and you can't completely cinch it down.

Ace Gunner 07-21-2013 04:31 PM

BTW- where you are, the climate is mild during winter -- you don't need a thermostat, really.

In58men 07-21-2013 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls (Post 9825807)
there is a lil guide ridge in the housing -- without the thermostat in there, that ridge does not bottom out inside as you crank it tight. with the thermostat in, now it bottoms out inside and you can't completely cinch it down.

That's what it seems like, but I should be able to put a new one inside without it leaking.

Ace Gunner 07-21-2013 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 9825823)
That's what it seems like, but I should be able to put a new inside without it leaking.

welp.. you'll be fine without it mang. it's good to have if you live in areas that have cold climates because it'll keep you and the engine near fine operating temps, but where you are, it'll rarely get cold enough that it is necessary.

J Diddy 07-21-2013 04:39 PM

Don't let JASONSAUTO take a look. You will fly off a rollercoaster to your death!!!!

In58men 07-21-2013 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls (Post 9825827)
welp.. you'll be fine without it mang. it's good to have if you live in areas that have cold climates because it'll keep you and the engine near fine operating temps, but where you are, it'll rarely get cold enough that it is necessary.

Yeah I understand. Thanks for the help. There was nothing wrong with it. I just want to start replacing parts, little by little. I'll leave it out, just wondering why it would leak like that. The previous owner must have had it out for a reason.

I'll try to find other things I can replace. My belt works great now. It would squeak like a mothe****er when the AC was on. Embarrassing to say the least.


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