Fox Fall 2013: Sleepy Hollow
 

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Let's see, it will either suck, or be amazing and intelligence and as a result get cancelled after six episodes and replaced by Baby Mamas of Detroit.

Reading the description I lean toward suck, watching the trailer, I still lean toward suck but see a possibility for smart and good and cancelled by america's next top sous chef.

ROFL @ "you think he can hear us"

I like supernatural crap...and besides....harold (harold & kumar) is in it....I'll check it out at least.
it seems it'd be better as a movie though. how can they keep a series up and running hunting the same bad guy all the time?

Preview looks good.....but will it make it past five episodes?

I give it 4 episodes. Although, headless horseman with machine gun might be my new Avatar. ROFL
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The concept does seem cool...historical conspiracy and secrets, supernatural powers, time travel...I just do not see it getting huge ratings. I will probably DVR the first four or five episodes, and wait to see if it takes off before investing any time into it.

LMAO, really fox?

Premiering tonight, and then replaying on Friday.

And I'm not kidding....early word on it is that it's actually good....

That means it is getting cancelled

Just because its good doesn't mean it will stick around. ****ers canceled my traveler and journeymen. I was pissed lol

FOX is the network that cancelled Firefly...bastards.

I'll be watching. Shows that I have picked to watch from the start don't have a good track record.

Last Resort
New Amsterdam
Do Over

That they made this show just insults me. Kind of like that modern day Sherlock Holmes show.

Give me something original, for the love of all that is holy.

I'm going to give it a chance.

Yup. I still don't get that. They created an entire world, complex characters, and everything was ready to take off. They invested that much and got that far and then...well, bye.

There actually TWO modern day Sherlock shows, and both are, in different ways, a couple of the better shows out there right now.

Not all recycles are equal, recycled gold is still gold.

I cant get into fox.

They cancelled Alcatraz, Chicago Code, all after one season.

My show selection has been terrible lately honestly.

Got into Happy Town on ABC, Awake on NBC, and the above. Im done until a show is in its 3rd or 4th season.

I'm sure it'll be cancelled. I don't know how in the world they expect a 2013 audience to connect with the idea, starting with the very name of the show.

High concept shows rarely last on network TV but I have to applaud Fox for trying.

I'll be recording it as well.

I have been looking forward to it for quite some time.

I set the DVR. Hopefully they don't give it the firefly treatment.

Looks stupid to me. But I have always been a fan of the Sleepy Hollow story so I'll be checking it out tonight in case I'm wrong.

Agreed...I'd rather something like this than the typical blue haired CSI procedural show.

I'm dvring it now...missed the intro

Yup...

Guess I'll try it out.

It was interesting. Could go either way, but I'll keep watching. The lead people are good, especially the guy playing Crane.

Biggest problem is it seems like he's adjusting to the 21st century way too easily. A few wide-eyed looks here and there, but not nearly enough. But I guess they didn't want to make the whole show about that.

I enjoyed the first episode. I hope they don't just hit you right in the face with everything. It seemed like quite a lot was revealed already, especially in the previews for upcoming episodes.

Oh boy. I just started this and completely forgot it was Orci and Kurtzman.

I wonder how long it'll be before there's an island involved.

Set it up for a 7 year run. Too bad Fox will cancel it after one whether it is a hit or not.

For the record, I did enjoy the first ep and will continue watching.

Hoping it's just their name attached to someone else's work, like a lot of bad robot stuff these days.

Unfortunately, it's not, although Len Wiseman directed the pilot.

No kidding. "Get in the car!" "Okay!" I'd be like "WTF is a CAR?"

When she said that, he had already been in a car. HIs WTF moment probably happened then.

Meh.

I'll keep recording it to see where it goes but witches, covens, the Biblical supernatural isn't going to "play" come spring.

The biggest disappointment, IMO, is there was an opportunity to introduce a "National Treasure" type historical vibe but instead, they went with the witch angle.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised considering the limited creativity of the principles.

Well, it is short for carriage, which he would have been familiar with in his day.

So...you're saying you're disappointed with their limited creativity and wish they'd done something more like something that's already been done.

This is more or less my take on it. I don't mind the supernatural to an extent, it is after all a ghost story originally, but the apocalyptic avenue is going too far, IMHO. I have grown accustomed to the story being bastardized but, this seems to be straying way the hell out there.

I also agree that a National Treasure type tilt would a have a chance at being more interesting. As it is, it was about as stupid as I feared. Though I'll give it one more shot just because it can be hard to tell from the first show as that is primarily a set up episode. I am not optimistic though.

I would agree with this. I was under the impression, and the first part suggested it as well, that the show would involve many aspects of history and would take on a more suspense or mystery feel with things such as cover ups, alternate histories, or revelations about the past. These things can still come into play so I hope it doesn't just get too crazy with the paranormal.

I fell asleep about 2/3 into the episode, but I really liked it. Going to keep watching.

Another problem I have is getting past the police captain being the magazine salesman from Office Space.

Wait, who? The Mexican chick?

It's Once Upon a Time Redux.

Wasn't impressed.

I think he's referring to Orlando Jones, who is a very good actor.

I thought I was in the Under the Dome thread.

Orlando Jones bothered me too. I've only seen him in comedic roles.

It was certainly different than we're used to but he was good, IMO.

I'm not stating that they should have followed the "family narrative" or a side kick and love interest angle. But here's a character in Ichabod that's a British traitor serving under George Washington in the Revolutionary War. There are endless possibilities.

For instance, they found the head way too soon, IMO. Why not make it more of a mystery where Ichabod says something along the lines of "I know who knows where the head lies. George Washington (or Ben Franklin or John Hancock, for that matter)".

Then, they could mix history with the procedural, which would have made it really fun and more "grounded".

IMO, it would sure beat the hell out of witches. Blech.

He just didn't seem to fit the character. I like the lead actors, but he seems out of place. Perhaps he'll grow on me.

Sucks they greased Clancy Brown so quickly - he's one of my favorites. Wouldn't be surprised if they bring him in occasionally for some flashbacky/dream stuff.

This obviously has that Lost stink to it.

Yeah, I'm definitely with you on Clancy Brown. I was actually sucked into thinking that he'd finally gotten his own TV show until they got that call.

I'd have rather seen him in the Orlando Jones role (nothing against Jones) because I really enjoy Clancy's acting.

Clancy Brown is a guy that should have a role in Star Wars, IMO.

I didn't care for her. It could just be the way they have written that character. Either way, her role dix not impress me.

I'd like to see where it goes before passing judgement about the witches. While witchcraft has never been my 'thing', I actually think that's a fresher take than a national treasure/davinci code adventure would be. But I am admittedly a fan of things with a weirder supernatural take. It sounds like a few of you can't stretch your imagination that far, and that's fine. Different strokes...

I thought it started fine but began to unravel around the half hour mark. There was too much infodump. A lot of writers seem to be losing the old "show, don't tell" addage. There were too many abrupt events, as well. Just as an example, Sulu's ties to the dark side should've been foreshadowed by something more sophisticated than a moustache-twirl of a look. They gave it away in such a hackneyed fashion that there was no tension left when he arrived at his apartment and found the horseman there. Similarly, I thought the Reverend witch just wasn't handled very well. I also thought the editing was a little too schizophrenic for my tastes. I think as a whole there wasn't much in the way of subtlety or sophistication to the pilot. It had all the hallmarks of the downside of the bad robot guys: trying so hard to be cool and edgy that they miss the mark on the common sense stuff.

That said, I enjoyed it and will keep watching. At least until Fox cancels it.

I hope Almost Human's pilot in November is stronger. That one actually is a full bad robot production, sleepy hollow isn't, just orci/kurtzman, but i'm not sure whether that's a positive or a negative at this point.

I felt like the writers were trying to cram the first season into one episode so they can get to the meat of the plot.

It almost felt like they were trying to grab the audience's attention to avoid the Firefly treatment.

Yeah, that's the impression I had as well.

The witch angle has been done to a certain extent with this story before in Tim Burton film. So I wouldn't really call it fresh. And honestly, the aspect of it does not bother me all that much. My biggest issue is with making neck stump into one of the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse. That is just stretching it too far from the original story for me.

I think the only Tim Burton film I've ever watched had Batman in it, so I would have no way of knowing that.

I loved it. I thought the chemistry between the two main characters was fantastic, the concept behind what the Horseman really is was inventive, and the nice touches were nice touches. Certainly better than almost anything on network TV, so I'm in.

But, yeah, I worry that Fox is going to Surprise! cancel it, if for nothing else because it reminds me of New Amsterdam, which I also loved, which also had a lost-in-time main character left over from colonial days paired with an African-American female law officer and solving a big mystery, and it was also on Fox, and it was unceremoniously axed.

No pun intended.

Fox has been killing good shows forever. I loved Brimstone. Great cast, novel idea, dark, creepy, edgy, whacked.

But Trailer Trash Mommy Swap will get picked up for another season! 4321

Brimstone was great. John Glover as the devil? Sign me up.

I actually found a site where you can watch pretty much any old show like that, but it's horrible quality. IIRC I found the link through the IMDb page.

No Scissorhands? No Big Fish? No Beetlejuice?!?!? NO ED WOOD!!!

We could probably have a long thread on good shows fox cancelled. After Firefly and Brimstone and Terminator: TSCC, I'll name Lone Star. Which probably none of you remember, since it only lasted two weeks.

Oh, I did watch bettlejuice. Hated it.

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Good show.

Expected...no, wanted better writing. The Abby character sux, and Orlando Jones is being wasted as a characterization.. Kinda hoped the sherriff--Abby's partner (the 'Kurgan') was going to last longer. Seems like they're rushing it, and trying to turn this into a Buffy-type series.

This is the problem with pilots. The networks require them to get a setup of every character which forces writers to reveal too much in them. This is why what Kevin Spacey said a few weeks back regarding the subject of pilots and how they need to be dumped resonated so much. Take the leap on a show and go with it.

Networks spend about $250 million per year on pilots. Without them, the networks would be lost and have no clue what would work and what wouldn't.

And Kevin Spacey isn't a producer, nor does he run a network or studio.

America **** yeah. That is insane. Yes, I'm being facetious.

Maybe it's time to break the paradigm? No one can deny that the cable networks and Netflix are kicking network TV butt when it comes to dramatic TV shows.

Wasn't Kevin Spacey heavily involved with Netflix's House of Cards? Maybe that has experience has something to do with his comments.

That's a combined number. But the cost of creating brand new program, from actors to sets to screenwriters, etc., is high.

Yeah, we just love how our entertainment prospects are decided by a corral of layabouts with clickers that focus group pilots into oblivion, giving the non-talented, non-creative $$-folk the backstop to note the talent to death, and then lock them on the sidelines with development deals for decades. Thanks.

Yeah, he's speaking directly in response to his Netflix experience.

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When famous actors are listed as "Producer", it's done for revenue sharing, not any "real" production work.

I wasn't making any kind of comment about that. I've never seen the show, so I have no idea how he was billed...

That doesn't mean they aren't making pilots.

Often times, when networks pass, premium channels decide to pick them up.

Also, premium channels get a large chunk of revenues from subscribers, so they don't need the HUGE numbers that networks need to stay alive.

I know it is combined. It is still beyond ridiculous. I find it ludicrous the money that is spent in Hollywood. I suppose it is a double edged sword in that you have to scratch and claw to make it in that town and once you do, if you aren't stupid with your money, you are set for life.

I really do wish we could do away with pilots. Hell, even LOST didn't give away much in their pilot and it went 5 years. Was that one only truly picked up because Abrams was behind it?

Though I am not really that big into a lot of the cable dramas, I can see why people like them. More original than anything on network TV and not afraid to take risks with the show.

Did anyone watch any of the Amazon pilots they threw up a few months back? I guess people voted and they are taking 2 or 3 of them to series.