The most damning evidence against Geno Smith yet.
 

Comes from the teams themselves, does it not?

Here's the top ten draft slots:

1. Kansas City Chiefs -- need a QB
2. Jacksonville Jaguars -- need a QB
3. Oakland Raiders -- need a QB
4. Philadelphia Eagles -- need a QB
5. Detroit Lions
6. Cleveland Browns -- need a QB
7. Arizona Cardinals -- need a QB
8. Buffalo Bills -- need a QB
9. New York Jets -- need a QB
10. Tennessee Titans

Of those 8 teams, you have a legit shot to draft Geno Smith, Matt Barkley, or Ryan Nassib.

What do these teams do?

Chiefs -- Alex Smith, Chase Daniel
Raiders -- Matt Flynn
Eagles -- re-up Michael Vick
Browns -- Jason Campbell
Cardinals -- Carson Palmer
Bills -- Kevin Kolb, Tavaris Jackson
Jets -- David Garrard

Only the Jags have left their hole at QB untouched, but seem to be favoring giving Gabbert one more shot. The Browns are a bit more debatable, as it's clear that Campbell is not a 16-game starter.

whats up with stanzi is he still under contract?

It is telling how these teams have passed on Smith for other QB's.

Didn't the Cardinals get Stanton too?

And this list of players available for the #1 overall pick provides the most damning evidence why he may still be in play...

1.Luke Joeckel OT Texas A&M
2.Eric Fisher OT Central Michigan
3.*Shariff Floyd DT Florida
4.*Dee Milliner CB Alabama (X)
5.Chance Warmack OG Alabama
6.Star Lotulelei DT Utah

7.Ziggy Ansah DE BYU
8.Lane Johnson OT Oklahoma
9.Dion Jordan LB Oregon
10.Geno Smith QB West Virginia
11.Jonathan Cooper OG North Carolina
12.*Cordarelle Patterson WR Tennessee
13.*Jarvis Jones LB Georgia (X)
14.*Bjoern Werner DE Florida State (X)

15.Tavon Austin WR West Virginia
16.*Barkevious Mingo LB LSU
17.*Xavier Rhodes CB Florida State
18.*Sheldon Richardson DT Missouri (O)
19.Desmond Trufant CB Washington
20.*Keenan Allen WR California
21.Kenny Vaccaro FS Texas
22.*D.J. Fluker OT Alabama
23.Datone Jones DE UCLA
24.*Tyler Eifert TE Notre Dame

25.*Damontre Moore DE Texas A&M

C.J. Mosley's release another signal the Jaguars are likely to target a defensive lineman with the second pick in the draft

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Submitted by Vito Stellino on April 1, 2013 - 1:55pm Vito Stellino's Blog
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Reading the tea leaves with the NFL draft just 24 days away, it is looking likely the Jaguars will target a defensive lineman with the second pick in the draft on April 25.

Jaguars general manager David Caldwell, who will be running his first draft, has said he likes to draft for need and the Jaguars have a major need in the defensive line.

That is why it won't be a surprise if they take Florida defensive tackle Sharrif Floyd or Oregon defensive end Dion Jordan with the second pick. Both are ranked as top five prospects.

The Jaguars also need help in the secondary so Alabama cornerback Dee Milliner could get a look, but improving the defensive line is more of a priority.

There's also been speculation they could look at quarterback Geno Smith but it would seem to be a reach to take him at the second slot.

Offensive lineman Luke Joeckel could be considered because they need a right tackle, but the Kansas City Chiefs are likely to take him with the first pick.

The Jaguars lost two defensive tackles in the offseason, Terrance Knighton,who signed with Denver as a free agent, and C.J. Mosley, who was released Monday and added only one, veteran Roy Miller. So Shariff could be a good fit.

Tyson Alualu is the only other tackle on the roster who has started a game in the NFL.

And they could use an upgrade at end because they had only 20 sacks last year. Which could make Jordan an enticing pick.

They have Jason Babin and Jeremy Mincey back as their two ends and they hope Andre Branch will take a step up in his second year after starting just three games as a rookie. Mincey also needs to rebound after having a disappointing season last year with just three sacks.

The most experienced end behind Babin, Mincey and Branch is Austen Lane, who has 16 starts in his career, five last year.

With their needs in the defensive line, it won't be a surprise if the Jaguars take a defensive lineman with their first pick.



Jags don't want him too

It won't matter to Geno Lovers, they are hooked.

http://i1.trekearth.com/photos/6651/three_monkeys.jpg

If I were a business owner, I'd be wary if many competitors shunned way from a product.

Thanks for taking the time to put this together.
I was thinking the same thing this morning when
it was confirmed that the Raiders took Flynn.
It's very obvious that the people "in the know"
see something that most here on CP refuse to see.
As much as the Chiefs need a QB, let's face the facts:
Geno Smith is not worthy of a 1.1 pick. If he was,
all this activity would not be taking place this close
to the draft.

When the season first ended lots of people were talking about Smith, Barkley, Glennon and Wilson all going in the top 10 and Nassib and others at the end of the first. Now it looks like 1 QB in the first round.

And all of those teams will be dumb as hell not to take a chance on a QB in the draft, as the players they've acquired are not the answer. Doesn't have to be Smith, and the selection doesn't *have* to be in the first, but the position must be addressed.

It's always good to see a chance. If we don't draft a QB in the first 4 rounds then that's a bad sign for this regime.

But drafting 1.1? they must have noticed some major turn off.

Imagine you want to bang Scarlet Johansson, but it turns out she has a dick, would you still bang? :banghead:

I am wondering, has it happened before that QB needy teams scrambled for backups and signed them as potential starters before a draft like that?

This.

How big is the dick? Can I still see it?

And between those 10 teams, only 3 have won Super Bowls and 2 of those were 40+ years ago. Lots of brilliant teams on that list. Clearly they are the teams that make the right decisions all the time.

I don't understand the point of the OP. That there are so many QB needy teams and only 1 guy to target that they are settling for stop gaps this year?

OR

Geno is so far ahead of the other QB's in the draft that these teams have to sign/trade for anyone, in case Geno is drafted before they pick.

I still have doubts about Vick...I see the Chiefs trading with Eagles

I think Palmer to AZ absolutely increases their chances of taking a QB in the first two rounds. No need to rush the n00b.

That seems to make the most sense.

Look Im a Geno fan. But im also a fan of taking a chance on the top QB prospect. We have a good QB coach and offensive staff

and all the teams in the NFL passed on Tom Brady for 5 rounds


not a positive but it's not definitive

And just think. Not a one has passed on Geno yet LMAO

What else do those teams have in common? Being perennial losers, largely because of their failure at evaluating QB talent.

This is so ****ing fun!

Wait, so they already held the draft and Geno went undrafted? ****ers! Worst april fools day ever!

Seriously 8 teams want maybe 2 guys? Am convinced we gave up 2 2nd rounders for Smiff simply because the market for qbs is shit right now and half the damn league needs em.

Palmer, Flynn, Smiff, Fitz, or Tebow? To the ship, mo****ers!

QB Geno Smith, #12
West Virginia
PFW Grade: 5.39
Ht: 6-23/8 | Wt: 218 | Sp: 4.59 | Arm: 321/2 | Hand: 91/4
Notes: His cousin, Melvin Bratton, was a star running back for the Miami Hurricanes in the late 1980s. The Florida prep was a Parade All-American selection after throwing for over 3,000 yards and 32 touchdowns. Saw limited action in five games as a true freshman in 2009, completing 32-of-49 passes for 309 yards (65.3 percent) with one touchdown and one interception while playing through a broken fifth metatarsal in his left foot for part of the season. Took over as the starter in ’10 and tossed 241-372-2,763-24-7 (64.8) in 13 starts. Was the first West Virginia QB in 12 years to throw for over 2,500 yards in a season. Garnered heavy recognition for ’11 season, setting the Big East Conference and school mark for passing yards with 346-526-4,385-31-7 (65.8), in addition to becoming the first Mountaineer QB in history and only the second Big East player to surpass 4,000 yards in a season in 13 starts. Named Orange Bowl MVP after throwing for 407 yards and six touchdowns against Clemson. Set the school record and led the Big 12 Conference in touchdown passes in ’12 after tossing 369-518-4,205-42-6 (a conference-leading 71.2) in 13 starts. Threw for 656 yards and eight touchdowns in a 70-63 shootout victory against Baylor. Had a 26-13 record in 39 career starts.
Positives: Has a strong arm and can rifle the ball with good velocity into tight windows. Can throw with accuracy on the move and layer the deep ball. Good overall accuracy, ball placement and touch, especially on the fade route. Throws a very catchable ball — spins it tightly. Good escapability — can sidestep the rush, find an open throwing window and extend plays with his feet when needed. Outstanding straight-line speed — clocked the best 40-yard time (4.56 seconds) and broad jump (10-foot-4) of any quarterback at the Combine. Very durable, experienced, three-year starter — overcame an average offensive line, has never missed any time to injury and will play through pain.
Negatives: Operated an offense where he received adjustments from the sidelines and was often out of sync with receivers. Average field vision and coverage recognition — forces throws and does not work through progressions. Takes unnecessary sacks and does not feel pressure well. Not an elusive scrambler. Shaky lower-body mechanics — does not stand tall in the pocket (crouches, hops, dances and elevates to his toes when he throws). Has pin legs and bad pocket posture. Operated almost exclusively from the gun. Not a student of the game. Nonchalant field presence — does not command respect from teammates and cannot inspire. Mild practice demeanor — no urgency. Not committed or focused — marginal work ethic. Interviewed poorly at the Combine and did not show an understanding of concepts on the white board. Opted not to compete at the Senior Bowl and has approached offseason training as if he has already arrived and it shows in his body with minimal muscle definition or strength. Has small hands and glaring ball security issues (32 career fumbles). Really struggled handling the snow in Pinstripe Bowl (took two safeties) and will be troubled by the elements. Needed to be coddled in college — cannot handle hard coaching.
Summary: Started the season red-hot with the help of two playmaking receivers and created a national stir generating a lot of overexcitement in the scouting community. Quickly came down to earth after Kansas State disguised coverages and brought pressure he could not handle and he finished dropping six of his final eight games. A cross between Akili Smith and Aaron Brooks, Smith is a gimmick, overhyped product of the system lacking the football savvy, work habits and focus to cement a starting job and could drain energy from a QB room. Will be overdrafted and struggle to produce against NFL defensive complexities.
NFL projection: Top-50 pick.


http://www.profootballweekly.com/201...outing-reports

Good Lord, the Geno habit seems to be tougher to kick than heroin. ChiefsPlanet needs a mass intervention.

Evan Silva ‏@evansilva 37s

PFW on Geno Smith: "Does not command respect from teammates, cannot inspire. Needed to be coddled in college - cannot handle hard coaching."

Smokescreen from QB needy teams.
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You masturbated as you posted this, right?

I find it interesting the Chiefs have Geno in house on the first day players can return. Same day Alex gets his playbook, Geno is throwing for management.

The Eagles apparently love Geno.

Pete Prisco ‏@PriscoCBS 29s

I did hear he wasn't great on the white board at the combine.

'Bombed that shit like it was 5th period Algebra' is what I heard.

No they aren't. They are giving coach speak saying there is no starter right now and he will have to fight for the job.

Chip Kelly just got done saying he doesn't need a franchise QB for his offense to be good.

No chance they take a QB in the first.

love the media.

"I heard"
"My sources"
"according to someone in the know"


lol. whatever. they just make shit up because no one can call them out on it.

LMAO

This is awesome. I actually hope the chefs DO draft him now!!!

Dorsey/Reid arent taking a top quarterback this year, not sure why people keep clinging to that hope... even IF the total money invested at that position is less than a Flacco-type deal.

In no way are they going to threaten Axl Smiff right off the bat with a #1 pick, it just doesnt sound plausible to me, with them knowing the situation he just came out of and wanting him to feel like the champ as they get things started.

I'd give it no more than a 10% probability, i could be wrong but its unlikely... they simply arent going to threaten this guy like that, atleast not right away.

Its a buisness. They could care less about Alexs feelings. If they feel like Geno is good enough to be #1 they will draft him.

I saw the Mooch white board interview with him. He wasn't very good. ESPN is promoing Chuckie's "QB grill" starting with Geno Smith this week. I didn't catch the time or date.

Why is Campbell not a 16 game starter?

Yeah, and we are "FASCINATED" with Geno. Predraft poker.

They don't owe Alex Smith anything. They traded for his services, he's under contract for this year and next, and if Alex Smith fails in the first four or five games, you put Geno in and don't have to pay the 49ers a 2nd next year, just the third because playing time wasn't met. I'll admit that there are as many pros taking Geno as there are Cons, but honestly don't talk like Alex Smith is owed anything. It seems to me that Chiefs fans are jaded because of the many years of failure we have at the QB position, namely the last four for the last QB we traded a second round pick. It depends on if you see the glass half full or half empty. I'm choosing to trust the regime until they give me reason not to. It almost seems like they're bringing Geno in for not only a smoke screen effect, but also to allow him to wow them with their players in their facility with their coaches picking his brain. I think at the moment Dorsey and Reid don't know what they're doing with the first overall pick, but I get the feeling that they'd be happy with any outcome; trade being highest but any player they'd have to stay in and take whether it be Joeckel or Geno, they get their picks worth.

It would be cool if they actually did draft him to piss on the other teams who secretly want him, and then traded him to your team for an arm and a leg.

Thats usually true, but in this particular instance i'm simply not buying it until i see it.

If they were so high on geno, they wouldnt have signed daniel to a solid contract... so they're going to take a guy #1 overall and put him third string behind Daniel, all the while knowing that at the slightest hint of fail from either guy the locals will be chanting GENO! GENO!, creating a MASSIVE distraction in their inaugural year? giving their carefully chosen number one the mega heebie-jeebies his first year here?

Sorry, not buying it in this instance... if i'm wrong then hoorays all around, but it aint hattnin.

NFL Total Access to view state of the franchise for the KC Chiefs..

Don't most teams looking to draft a QB usually have a veteran for the young guy to sit behind or to back him up as an insurance policy?

Or could this be evidence that most of these teams don't think he makes it out of the top 3 picks?

Carson Palmer to Arizona.

Trade is imminent according to Rapapport.

Dwayne bowe said getting a new qb and new head coach is refreshing..

Albert Breer reports John Dorsey has narrowed his list down to 4 players and will announce their draft pick 4 days prior to the draft. Dorsey has watched Genos pro day 3 times and likes him a lot according to Albert Breer.

Pretty sure I just heard Brier say we had it down to a final 4.

If this speculation about Geno is true, we are shafted. :(

We draft Joeckel and have ourselves another boring draft where we do not improve the team. We sign mediocre free agents, give up the farm for a mediocre QB, and use all our available cap space at the same time. I see lots of reasons to get excited this year. /sarcasm

If Geno is that bad, we should take a pass, as much as I hate to say it. But then, PFW has never seemed to like black QBs and I wonder whether there is the typical racism about not being smart, lazy, etc. JeMarcus Russell and Akili Smith ruined things for a generation of young black QBs, Hopefully RGIII will help shatter that perception and we will see honest evaluations.

Still, there is plenty of manipulation going on pre-draft. Those picking behind us have every incentive to poison the well for him and make it look like they would prefer mediocre re-treads.

First showing is thursday on ESPN2 (8:30 pm)

http://www.channelguidemagblog.com/i...camp-schedule/

Thing is, we have an older, proven vet starter and a slightly younger vet #2... now they're going to take a QB number one?

Thats going to create a massive cluster**** of confusion and expectations, no way they do that.

What determines worthiness of pick 1.1?
Absolute guaranteed lock? That doesn't exist.
In retrospect is Brady worth 1? Kaepernick?
All depends on a lot of factors. They wouldn't be if you have number 1.1(through trade or any other method), if you have a Drew Brees with other pressing needs. Technically they would be worth 1.1 just not to you.
Kaepernick is still somewhat unproven, as he has only had success for part of a year. But if he was the top prospect, would he have gone where he went. Obviously not, some team would have "reached". Look at how much a teams have given up in the past for the top pdospect at a given position.
The people in the know as pointed out by others, have records that indicate they may not know much.

At this point I'll wait until draft day.

Keep the timeline in mind. It was seemingly well known we would be willing to trade down. So a bunch of teams inquired about taking our spot, couldn't make the necessary offer, and are now turning to back up plans.

What position, other than QB, in the draft could improve the team? Who would you like to pick (again excluding QB)?

Well they had better do it. I can't take much more losing and mediocrity from a team that refuses to take a shot...

they're not gonna, just sayin... :shrug:

That's the problem. Our top 3 needs are QB, QB and QB (think location to real estate)

We are okay at WR, CB, pass rushers, DL and OL. No glaring needs. We can tolerate a mediocre DL, but we cannot tolerate a mediocre QB.

No DL in this draft will do anything to change the game meaningfully. Poe, Powe, Jackson can all do fine. The game is not won in the pits anymore.

So, maybe Dee would be a good acquisition. You can never have enough potential shutdown corners. Hard to explain after signing Sean Smith, but it could improve the defense significantly.

An ILB is a must, but not in the first round. Same for a safety. If we had not traded for Alex Smith, we could have used the 2.2 pick to secure a top ILB or safety.

So, that leaves us taking a OT because there are 3 good ones. None seem destined to go to the HoF. No one is spouting such nonsense. None of these guys is much of an upgrade to Albert (if at all). So, we draft a guy at 1.1 to replace a guy we will give up for a second rounder? Does that make any sense at all? How does that math add up?

So, only the QB position has hope to be a game changer, instead of a replacement for a solid existing starter. For other teams without a good LT, or pass rush, that is a different analysis