****Official Let's Break Down Sutton's Defense Thread****
 

Welp, I figure we should go ahead and start this project early.

Here are a few helpful hints!

1. Sutton has served primarily as a DC/LB for 8 years including this one.
2. He also had a stint as an OC, as well as WR/QB coach in the early 80's and a RB coach for 8 years (Hence his desire to stop the run)
3. He also served as the Ravens DC along with Rex from 06-08

What I believe from this and other data easily obtained, we're going to see an altered version of the 2-gap that we came to know and love under Romeo. Now, there are some slight variatons (such as DEs playing the 4-tech instead of the 5, the use of zone/man blitz philosophies out of base fronts, and the use of fire zones in base fronts).

Here's a wonderful link I'll provide until a certain league decides to take it down.

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I think people freak out when they hear the word 2-gap. I didn't like the negativity when DeVito was signed.

The difference is that Romeo like to run a pure 2-gap. 2-gap all day long. Sutton's defense is going to mirror Rex Ryan's, in that the 3-4 will be 2-gap, but he's also going to throw a ton of 4-3 looks. So his 5-techniques have to be able to also play a conventional 4-3 tackle.

I like Rex Ryan's defense. I think the defense fell short the past few years because of talent.

You know who's defense I like? Ray Horton's.


****. Damn Cardinals.

I'm sure it will suck. Jets fans loathe him.

Not saying you're right or wrong...

But Jets fans are ****ing idiots.

Why do you base opinions off fans takes on people?

Jets fans have more intimate knowledge of Bob Sutton than anyone here.

If they hate him, good enough for me.

Not like people were beating down his door to be their DC.

See it as a shit hire, now go climb an AIDS tree.

How can fans loathe the linebackers coach? I don't know if I'm happy or excited. I do know that it's ridiculous to say it will suck because he didn't run a great defense with a DC/head coach calling the shots, and with below average talent in the front 7.

Devito seems to be well liked by New York fans and media, yet he's gonna suck too. So, since when do you put stock into what fans think?

49ers fans seem to think Alex Smith is a good player who can be good here.

Wonder why Clay isn't parroting them.

I'm probably going to be bitter about that shit for a long time.

It would have made for a killer coaching staff.

One primary difference is that in various alignments (over-ed, over, under) Sutton/Rex utilizes one DE playing 2-gap responsibilities, whilst the other does not. Similar in structure to Kiffin's under principles but different as well.

One thing that does concern me (and I don't know how much of this is Rex or Sutton) is the propensity to utilize 3 safety packages. They work fine if you have a fantastic front 4 and great corner play. I don't know if we're going to see Berry as the Ted as we did in Romeo's 2-3-6 but I wouldn't discount it just yet.

Ray Horton was one of my top guys, even for head coach.

But I'd like to see where this defense goes. It's a progressive defense. I think people on this board are too stuck on the word 2-gap. It's not the same thing here. This defense is going to bring a lot of pressure and a lot of the Jets' problems can easily be blamed on horrendous pass rushers, a problem the Chiefs don't have.

Cockblocking sons of bitches.

I think the huge difference is that the Ryan difference is going to bring a ton of blitz pressure.

The other huge difference is that the 3-4 defense was purely a 3-man front. The Ryan defense is going to mix things up a bunch at the line and run a bunch of traditional 4-3 sets. It's going to be a 3-4/4-3 hybrid. That's why the DeVito pickup is a good one.

Again, we'll see how it goes. I think our D-line is going to bring a hell of a lot more pressure than the Jets could.

I know coordinators don't make a team (at least they shouldn't) but it's total bullshit. I'm not going to be surprised one bit if Cleveland's defense takes a huge step this year, even over ours in spite of our superior talent.

I've always thought coordinators make a difference. It's not a coincidence the only year the Chiefs were successful under Pioli was the year they had two legit coordinators who were good at their job.

Because logic of convenience allows that to be completely ignored.

Jets Def Ranking

2006 20
2007 18
2008 16

Jets sacks

2006 35
2007 29
2008 41

Jets D vs Run

2006 24
2007 29
2008 7


Jets D vs Pass

2006 14
2007 9
2008 29

They ran Mangini's 2-gap defense. And it was clear that Mangini was calling the shots.

I think they make a huge difference when a team upgrades from Clancy Pendergast and Chan Gailey/Todd Haley to Romeo Crennel and Charlie Weis.

I have no reason to think that Bob Newhart can't be a respectable defensive coordinator. I think it's also fair to say that Ray Horton is a young brilliant coaching mind in this league who probably deserved a shot as a head coach. A guy like that as your coordinator can sometimes radically transform a team. All that matters for us, though, is how he does compared to Bob Newhart

Interesting.

If their offense can stay on the field and not turn into KC the past 2 years, that roster + Horton is going to be a nasty defense. They've got some fun tools.

Ray Horton is a one and done coach. Gonna be a Head Coach in 2014.

Not all of them.

In fact I would say the majority of them think "LOL, Alex Smith"

No, he'll be a fine run stopper. Never said anything else.

He is the DC. Try to keep up.

What were you planning on doing with him?

My friend is a beat writer for the Jets and he insisted from the people he's talked to connected to Sutton that Sutton is running a 1-gap defense in KC.

He will mix it up with various other fronts, but the primary defense is going to be a 3-4 attacking 1 gap defense.

He was only the Jets DC from 2006 -2008 go back and see what the fans think of him

I love how you think a message board is a majority.

He was the LBs coach in NY. I really don't care if they're upset about how he did in a defense under Mangini he wasn't allowed to run.

Secrets mon frere, secrets.

I have an admittedly weird view on coordinators. I think a bad coordinator can have a markedly greater impact on a talented team than a good one can have on a bad one. As in I think it's easier to drag down talent then it is to coach it up. I do think good coordinators can make good teams great, and obviously bad coordinators can make already bad teams into the Chiefs of the last decade.

To me great defense (or offense, for that matter) is about 3 things, and they're all interconnected:

1) your personnel guys and coaches have to find talented players that fit what they want to do
2) your coaches have to convince those talented players to buy into the system and operate/excel as a unit
3) your coordinator has to be able to be able to call the right shit on gameday

The only time I've seen a unit, or a coordinator, here in KC succeed at all three of those phases was 2002-2004 under Al Saunders. They've pretty much flopped on both sides of the ball the rest of the time. And they've usually combined bad players who don't work well together with incompetent coordinators.

One of these days my Bob Newhart joke is going to be a huge hit. Just ya'll wait and see.

And Chiefs fans ripped the hire of an offensive assistant.

Using any message board as the pulse of anything is ****ing stupid.

Mangini ran the shots. Why would Rex Ryan keep around a guy who primarily ran zone coverage and bend don't break shit with his attacking style of defense?

Because it was Mangini's baby.

Nom nom nom.

That's interesting. I could see that, though the DeVito signing makes me think they will run Ryan's defense. Which is attacking and it's not pure 2-gap (as they'd only have one guy running 2-gap). What I feel very, very confident about is it will be NOTHING like what he ran from 2006-2008.

I tried to watch a lot of DeVito clips. He ****ing mauled Marshawn Lynch on one play.

We really needed a dominant run stopper. I know it was overpaying, but this team was ****ing terrible against the run.

I'd like to chart (or preferably steal these stats from someone) how often the Jets ran man coverage on 1st and 2nd down with Mangini in comparison to Rex.

A trademark of the Belichick/Saban/Romeo philosophies is to primarily utilize ZC on 1st/2nd and press man on 3rd.

Any updates with this?

I haven't been able to but I do have some free time coming up over the next few weeks and can probably add to the OP. Will probably do a format similar to the Andy Reid article I posted. Might make it more in-depth but that might apply to Chargers, Donks, Raiders, Colts(Peyton) matchups.