Is Neil Smith a NFL HOF'r ???
 

All hatred and butt-aches aside.

Does he have the stats etc, to every be a HOF'r.

100-sack club (t-24th all time)
6-time Pro Bowler
4-time All Pro Team
1990's All-Decade Team
2-time Super Bowl Champion

Id say so.

No.

No

Hall of the Very Good.

Hall of the UTI

To me, and this is only my personal opinion, but Pass rushers are the most vital position outside of QB a football team has. Perhaps I'm biased because I watched the Chiefs, for years, dominate defensively because of a monster rush. I watched Derrick Thomas, via 'kc strip', change entire games on a regular basis.

Now the HOF lets QB's in far more than other positions and I accept that largely because I accept the fact that QB is simply a more important position than others. Perhaps that's a stupid way to view it, but it's how I view it. There are a lot of pass rushers that should be in the HOF, but number one on my list right now is Kevin Greene. Until he's in there, Smith has to wait.

That's how they elect QB's.

That's how Trent Green will be elected

Green was a good QB. He wouldn't even make it to the hall of very good.

Yeah, this.

I think there's an outside shot that 15 years from now he'll sneak onto a ballot in a weak year and make it to the finals, and I think it's 50/50 that he'll be a semifinalist at some point. I liked him and he was very good, but I don't think he's quite a Hall of Famer.

He was a good QB when surrounded by a Hall of Fame offensive line, a HOF tight end, amazing running backs and very good receivers.

Outside of that, not so much.

No his baseball bat swing was horrid, pop out to catcher every time.

You having a bad day sunshine?

He never had very good receivers here IMO, but the rest I agree with entirely.

Pretty much.

Though 'shitty' 'good' 'very good' 'great' aren't exactly objective terms to start with.

Kennison was a first rounder. Morton was more than decent. Boerighter and most of the others were average at best, but with that offensive line, ridiculous running game and HOF tight end, there really shouldn't be an excuses made for him.

Kennison was okay, probably underwhelming for a 1st rounder currently but solid then given how the game has changed IMO. Morton who I loved in detroit, was underwhelming as well although like Kennison, it's probably due to how the game has changed and how I view him.

Boerigter was okay and average then.

No excuses should be made for Trent but it isn't like he had an above average receiving corp IMO.

I wasn't a fan of Morton, but like you I loved him in Detroit. It wasn't that he sucked, it's that he was constantly falling down and 'slipping' any time there was imminent contact. He never made the tough catches and often just gave up and let the ball sail to the defense.

I was a kid when I got to watch him + Herman Moore + Sanders. Fun to watch though.

You forgot Perriman, but yes.

Even Scott Mitchell looked good with that crew for a season or two.

I'm from Wichita, and Barry is obviously a big deal here. I loved watching those Lions teams. Barry is still the most spectacular RB I've ever seen.

the only reason smith should even be considered was the flinch

He didn't have an above average receiving corp but that wasn't his problem: He was accurate when protected by HOF offensive lineman and ineffective when not.

Huard should have started and finished the playoff game in 2006.

Green was pretty accurate in the moderate range, but was frustrating on shorter throws. He could miss a wide open 3 yard slant in a way that would make you want to punch the ****in' TV.

He was really good throwing 15-25 yards over the middle of the field, but he wasn't good throwing outside the hashes at all.

When pressured Trent forced passes. He did that everywhere he played.

Exactly

That's his resume, in total. 100 sacks.

DaKCMan AP says no.

I never hear his name with Lawrence Taylor...Derrick Thomas....Reggie White...Bruce Smith... Jarrod Allen.

Welp, he did win a Super Bowl, so he probably should have recieved more consideration.

It was a very sad day when he retired that's for sure.

No

No

NO

No.

Yes for the simple fact that he left Marty and joined Elway to win 2 SB's....

the ultimate slap in Martys face. He gets my vote...

HELL NO.
He shouldn't be in the Chiefs HOF either.

WAKE UP, he's a DONK.

No.Was a good player for the Chief's but not HOF quality. Still puzzled why Otis Taylor isn't in the HOF.

He's a HOF'er in my book.

Actually, I said no earlier, but I was using my definition of what a Hall of Famer is. I'd much rather have Neil Smith lining up at DE for me than Fred Dean or Jack Youngblood, and I think he's as good as Chris Doleman or Richard Dent.

The days when Neil and Derrick were reigning terror on opposing QBs were some of the greatest Chiefs memories.
I am not sure it is fair to blame Neil for the Chiefs deciding they couldn't afford to sign him, but the fact that he went to the Broncos is unforgivable.

No.

According to HIM he's a Chief.
I asked him at a golf tournament this plast fall if he considers himself a Chief or a Bronco, with the caveat that both isn't an option. Normally, the answer may be taken as a "I'll appease this guy because that's what he wants to hear" but one of my playing partners standing beside me was decked out in his Broncos gear.

Great guy, but the answer to the original question is "not in my eyes"

If you're going to leave KC as a FA, and you still want to be loved in KC, you DO NOT CHOOSE to play for Oakland or Denver. The End.

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no

the 90s, when you could get a d-lineman on a 1 year INCENTIVE based deal

lol

**** him. DIE IN A FIRE TRAITOR 4321

Im surprised people still hold a grudge? I honestly have no feelings about it. Players switch teams all the time in todays game.

**** Kneel Smith.

Hope he gets the ass cancer...

but not to the stinkin broncos

I agree with you, but it's not his fault that KC didn't tender him an offer. If they had, he would've finished his career in KC. That said, **** him. He went to Denver. And I watched him treat a Planeteer like complete dogshit at the MNF home opener against the Chargers in 2010. He can DIAF.

A million times this...

Neil Smith can eat a huge barrel of donkey dicks.

They did.

And it was HIGHER than the one Denver offered.

I just went off of the video Blowfish posted, I really didn't remember myself. If that's the case though, he can die in 2 ****ing fires.

I may be wrong...But I believe he had an offer from KC that he rejected before FA. He then went out and found out he couldnt get a better offer and came back to Carl to accept the KC offer.

I thought he ended up making less in Dungver than he would of made in KC with the first offer.....

Again, this may be my drug addled memory acting up....

That was the point I was attempting (poorly) to make earlier.

For certain positions it is the Hall of Very Good.

They set the standard. Not me.

he rejected a contract offer from the chiefs that was QUITE A BIT MORE than he got from the broncos.

**** NEEL SMIFF

I thought Carl let him walk because of his declining production. His days as a top flight pass rusher were over.

And after all that, and his full page add he took out in the Star to say he loved KC and will always be a Chief at heart....



...then when Denver is ****ing killing KC he leans over to a Denver coach on the sidelines and says "It's nice to finally play for the good guys."

**** Kneel...

Not sure how the numbers compare, but i'd bet he's in Richard Dent territory, which means he might just squeak in many years down the road.

Well, it wasn't like they were offers at the same time.

Free agency was not as refined as it is now, and the Denver offer was on the table after he found out he couldn't get what he thought he was worth on the open market.

Carl should have let him have what he had offered to him originally when he decided he would take it.

Nobody is saying NS was brilliant, but he was a very good DE.

I blame Carl for the whole thing.

Smith: 0.55 sacks/game, 0.16 FF/game
Dent: 0.68 sacks/game, 0.18 FF/game

And, just for fun...

Dumervil: 0.70 sacks/game, 0.18 FF/game

No.

Dumervil is too short to be in the Hall of Fame.

FYP

I think we're basically in a pass rushing golden age. At his current production, Jared Allen is 2 seasons away from being top 5 all time in sacks. No one but a ridiculous Donkey homer would think that Elvis would be on his way to the hall, but he's producing at a rate that could get him way up there, numbers wise.

The question at this point for these guys is longevity. Bruce Smith played for 18 seasons, Reggie White for 15. If Allen plays for 15 seasons, he'll be right there with White. If Ware plays for 15 seasons, he'll break the all time record.

I guess it's reasonable that in an era of passing we'd also see pass rushing stats rise. I hadn't thought about it, in part because we don't have a good longitudinal history of pass rushing.

White's sack record is amazing. It'd be cool if Allen could break it, because he was a Chief until he decided that he wanted to go to a well-run team.

You must be confused. He actually went to the Vikings.

Nope

Oh. Sorry. "Less poorly run team."