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ShowtimeSBMVP 12-03-2012 01:03 PM

Word around the league is that Jon Gruden is in line to rejoin the Raiders
 
• Jon Gruden has been out of the NFL since his abrupt firing by the Buccaneers in 2008, when inside sources said the players turned against his hard coaching style. Known for his admiration of John Madden, many executives around the league believed Gruden was destined for a prime-time role in the broadcast booth and would seek to spend the rest of his career there, capitalizing on the naming rights involved with the video gaming world that reportedly have generated more than $100 million for Madden. While spending the past three seasons working for ESPN on Monday nights, Gruden also has not stopped spending extensive time grilling and getting to know the next batch of quarterbacks to come through the NFL in his annual "Gruden's QB Camp" series, logic would indicate, in preparation for the next coaching opportunity. The latest scuttlebutt in the league has Gruden, on the brink of turning age 50, in line to rejoin the Raiders' organization in a prominent role. The franchise’s downturn can be traced directly back to his departure a decade ago, he has a relationship with GM Reggie McKenzie from their time together in Green Bay and he has an even better understanding of the infrastructure in Oakland and the Al Davis brand of football than anyone in football. With more autonomy to run the organization how he sees fit, adapting a model that Davis taught him, Gruden is very well-positioned to resurrect a faitering franchise that went 0-for-November and has yet to win a game since owner Mark Davis put everyone on notice and said he was not pleased with the direction of the team.


http://www.profootballweekly.com/201...otgun-overload

The Franchise 12-03-2012 01:05 PM

Good....and then trade for Tebow.

Brock 12-03-2012 01:05 PM

What's Gruden's understanding of the "Al Davis brand of football"? His teams there played anything but that.

ChiefsCountry 12-03-2012 01:06 PM

Chucky back with the Raiders. Hmm. Now if the Davis family would sell to Patrick Soon-Shiong, the Raiders would be up there with the Cowboys in value.

wazu 12-03-2012 01:06 PM

I'm in favor of anything that gets him off of Monday Night Football. And this should do it.

J Diddy 12-03-2012 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 9176443)
What's Gruden's understanding of the "Al Davis brand of football"? His teams there played anything but that.

Knows what it is. Knows how to avoid it.

BlackHelicopters 12-03-2012 01:07 PM

This guy has an outstanding arm. He can make all the throws.
-Jon Gruden, every Monday night

RealSNR 12-03-2012 01:10 PM

I don't have to watch him act like a buffoon when Geno goes on Jon Gruden's QB camp at least.

SO YA GOT YER SPEEDY WR IN TAVON AUSTIN RIGHT HERE SO JUST LET'EM DO ALL THE HARD WORK AND MAKE A PLAY, SEE? YA GET THAT GENO? GENO WHAT KIND OF A NAME IS THAT? WEIRD NAME. LIKE EUGENE BUT WITHOUT THE EU IN IT. YA GET THAT, GENO, IT'S A JOKE. HEY YA EVER WATCH ROBERT GRIFFIN III CUZ YA KINDA REMIND ME OF HIM CAN'T QUITE FIGURE IT OUT WHAT IT IS THOUGH.

Pasta Little Brioni 12-03-2012 01:10 PM

"I like this Matt Cassel. Books not out on him yet. Too many different offensive coordinators."

bobinkc 12-03-2012 01:14 PM

Chuckie to the Raiders.....I have a hard time believing with all the openings that come up that he would pick to go back there.

Pasta Little Brioni 12-03-2012 01:16 PM

Shocking that an overrated former Donkey D-coordinator is failing. He wasn't that good at his previous job anyway. Can't wait for Herm DelRio to resurface, hopefully in Eggo.

Sorter 12-03-2012 01:16 PM

So they're going to dump Allen after 1 year?

Pasta Little Brioni 12-03-2012 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9176486)
So they're going to dump Allen after 1 year?

Why not? It was an awful hire to begin with.

BigMeatballDave 12-03-2012 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9176486)
So they're going to dump Allen after 1 year?

That is how the Commitment to Excellence rolls...

Sorter 12-03-2012 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PGM (Post 9176492)
Why not? It was an awful hire to begin with.

Just think it is awesome they already failed on their first HC and might be giving up after his first season.

LMAO

Rasputin 12-03-2012 01:22 PM

What a crock of holy shit balls

Just last week Gruden was going on & apologizing about suggesting he would return to the NFL. He likes his gig at ESPN MNF. I call bull shit on OP.

Pasta Little Brioni 12-03-2012 01:31 PM

Reighters just raped a pulled pork sandwich after reading this.

GoChargers 12-03-2012 01:37 PM

Gruden is SUCH an overrated coach, it's not even funny. He won a Super Bowl with Dungy's players against a team that ran his same exact system. After that, nothing but mediocrity.

Please do hire Gruden, Raiders... then the Chargers won't be tempted to pick Gruden over Cowher.

Sorter 12-03-2012 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PGM (Post 9176548)
Reighters just raped a pulled pork sandwich after reading this.

http://i44.tinypic.com/21mrdhk.jpg

Ace Gunner 12-03-2012 01:39 PM

No way. There is bad blood between Gru & the Raiders.

alpha_omega 12-03-2012 01:42 PM

Don't make me hate you again Chucky!

Brock 12-03-2012 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lou_Zare (Post 9176585)
No way. There is bad blood between Gru & the Raiders.

Between Gru and Al Davis, who's dead.

Graystoke 12-03-2012 02:04 PM

I hope they hire him today. The sooner he is not on MNF the better.

Mr. Laz 12-03-2012 02:07 PM

I don't know why Gruden would go back there.

makes no sense

Brock 12-03-2012 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 9176707)
I don't know why Gruden would go back there.

makes no sense

Creampuff division.

Frazod 12-03-2012 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 9176707)
I don't know why Gruden would go back there.

makes no sense

One of my primary rules for employment - you only get to fire me once.

ChiefMojo 12-03-2012 02:26 PM

Al Davis is dead????

Shox 12-03-2012 02:50 PM

I don't believe any of this crap. Gruden could have about any vacancy he wanted, I don't think the black hole would be his first choice.

Three7s 12-03-2012 02:54 PM

"I really like this Matt Cassel." "I tell ya what, if you give this guy a clean pocket, he can really dice ya up."

LMAO, freaking jackass.

okoye35chiefs 12-03-2012 03:02 PM

IMO he stays with MNF or goes to SD/Dallas.. ..

Raiders.... No..

Demonpenz 12-03-2012 03:11 PM

OH THIS GOD DAMN TYLER PALKO. I WILL TELL YOU MIKE... HE ****ING ****ED UP DEFENSES UP ALL THROUGH PRACTICE THIS WEEK. HE HAS A HECK OF AN ARM AND.WATCH AS HE SLIDES AROUND LIKE STEVE YOUNG TO THROW THIS BALL RIGHT ON THE MONEY TO THE GROUND THAT ****ING SHIT WAS A THING OF BEAUTY.

DaWolf 12-03-2012 03:23 PM

Isn't Gruden's agent Bob Lamonte? The same guy who represents Walrus and Andy Reid? The same guy who has been pushing Walrus and Andy Reid's name out there for other coaching jobs recently? The same guy who probably was pushing Gruden's name for the Tennessee job recently just to make it appear like his client was really sought after?

I wouldn't put too much stock into it right now. Wouldn't be surprised either if former Raiders employees who were let go by McKenzie are pushing this...

Sweet Daddy Hate 12-03-2012 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9176463)
I don't have to watch him act like a buffoon when Geno goes on Jon Gruden's QB camp at least.

SO YA GOT YER SPEEDY WR IN TAVON AUSTIN RIGHT HERE SO JUST LET'EM DO ALL THE HARD WORK AND MAKE A PLAY, SEE? YA GET THAT GENO? GENO WHAT KIND OF A NAME IS THAT? WEIRD NAME. LIKE EUGENE BUT WITHOUT THE EU IN IT. YA GET THAT, GENO, IT'S A JOKE. HEY YA EVER WATCH ROBERT GRIFFIN III CUZ YA KINDA REMIND ME OF HIM CAN'T QUITE FIGURE IT OUT WHAT IT IS THOUGH.

What if he drafts Geno?

Bewbies 12-03-2012 04:07 PM

Barkley going to the Faid.

Mother****erJones 12-03-2012 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PGM (Post 9176468)
"I like this Matt Cassel. Books not out on him yet. Too many different offensive coordinators."

And then the OT INT ROFL

Frazod 12-03-2012 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Three7s (Post 9176842)
"I really like this Matt Cassel." "I tell ya what, if you give this guy a clean pocket, he can really dice ya up."

LMAO, freaking jackass.

Think we could get a second out of them for him? :titus:

Dave Lane 12-03-2012 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9176463)
I don't have to watch him act like a buffoon when Geno goes on Jon Gruden's QB camp at least.

SO YA GOT YER SPEEDY WR IN TAVON AUSTIN RIGHT HERE SO JUST LET'EM DO ALL THE HARD WORK AND MAKE A PLAY, SEE? YA GET THAT GENO? GENO WHAT KIND OF A NAME IS THAT? WEIRD NAME. LIKE EUGENE BUT WITHOUT THE EU IN IT. YA GET THAT, GENO, IT'S A JOKE. HEY YA EVER WATCH ROBERT GRIFFIN III CUZ YA KINDA REMIND ME OF HIM CAN'T QUITE FIGURE IT OUT WHAT IT IS THOUGH.

And this is why SNR is one of my favorite posters

KCUnited 12-03-2012 05:09 PM

Gruden seemed to be legitimately getting his mind blown by the zone read Carolina was running the other night on MNF.

DTLB58 12-03-2012 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChargers (Post 9176567)
Gruden is SUCH an overrated coach, it's not even funny. He won a Super Bowl with Dungy's players against a team that ran his same exact system. After that, nothing but mediocrity.

Please do hire Gruden, Raiders... then the Chargers won't be tempted to pick Gruden over Cowher.

What's that say about Dungy then? He had the talent but couldn't get them to the SB, Gruden walks in and one year (I think) boom and they are in the SB and win the whole damn thing.

What one thing Jon has is motivation. He made those guys, Saap and Lynch believe that they could win. He knows football. You can't listen to him for an hour talking just real x's and o's football and tell me he doesn't know his shit.

If you don't like him as a person fine, but the guy knows football.

DaneMcCloud 12-03-2012 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DTLB58 (Post 9177275)
What one thing Jon has is motivation. He made those guys, Saap and Lynch believe that they could win. He knows football. You can't listen to him for an hour talking just real x's and o's football and tell me he doesn't know his shit.

If you don't like him as a person fine, but the guy knows football.

LMAO

So the Bucs were losers before Gruden arrived?

And if he knows so much about football, why did his teams become progressively worse each season until he was fired?

chiefzilla1501 12-03-2012 05:29 PM

Gruden is a really, really interesting candidate. I'm not saying a good candidate. But an interesting one.

He ran West Coast as a coach. Yet has spent a ton of time studying up on Chip Kelly's offense. What will his new offense look like?

He ran Tampa 2 as a coach. But Tampa 2 has changed a ton even when Monte Kiffin was with Tampa. How much will Gruden rely on Cover 2?

In a lot of ways, it's hard to predict what kind of coach he will be the second time around.

GoChargers 12-03-2012 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DTLB58 (Post 9177275)
What's that say about Dungy then? He had the talent but couldn't get them to the SB, Gruden walks in and one year (I think) boom and they are in the SB and win the whole damn thing.

Dungy WON a Super Bowl later on with the Colts, so I'm not really sure what your point is.

Shox 12-03-2012 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChargers (Post 9177344)
Dungy WON a Super Bowl later on with the Colts, so I'm not really sure what your point is.

I would say Peyton won a Superbowl despite Dungy.

Brock 12-03-2012 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChargers (Post 9177344)
Dungy WON a Super Bowl later on with the Colts, so I'm not really sure what your point is.

Only one with Manning at QB sounds like a horrible waste.

Pasta Little Brioni 12-03-2012 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 9176712)
Creampuff division.

But, but, but, but, but Denver!!!!

Pasta Little Brioni 12-03-2012 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 9177381)
Only one with Manning at QB sounds like a horrible waste.

Yup. Manning has a way of making a pile of dogshit turn to gold.

BIG_DADDY 12-03-2012 06:18 PM

Wouldn't surprise me at all. I would take Gruden in a second.

Mr_Tomahawk 12-03-2012 06:34 PM

If this happens, I bet Barkley ends up in Oakland.

SAUTO 12-03-2012 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 9177431)
If this happens, I bet Barkley ends up in Oakland.

Damn that would be ****ing perfect. They are the team that scares me about taking the no. One
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Mr_Tomahawk 12-03-2012 06:39 PM

Barkley will do enough in Grudens WCO to go 8-8 year-in and year-out.


Perfect.

Hammock Parties 12-03-2012 06:51 PM

All the more reason we must fire Romeo and Pioli ASAP.

chiefzilla1501 12-03-2012 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 9177450)
Barkley will do enough in Grudens WCO to go 8-8 year-in and year-out.


Perfect.

I don't think Gruden is running WCO. While I'm not sold on the guy, if he's been studying up big time on Chip Kelly's offense, it would be a very interesting offense for Geno to operate in.

Mr_Tomahawk 12-03-2012 06:54 PM

No thanks.

We bring Gruden in...you can say goodbye to Geno.

bowener 12-03-2012 06:55 PM

If he plans on going there, then my guess is that the Raiders will be in LA soon.

Chronic 12-03-2012 07:02 PM

I heard he was pushing to get Al to hire him in 2009- Word is he has a good relationship with Marc Davis the new owner- Kinda makes sense- Gruden loves those older vets- Palmer would be a perfect player for a Gruden WCO

Hammock Parties 12-03-2012 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 9177519)
No thanks.

We bring Gruden in...you can say goodbye to Geno.

Not so sure.

IMO he would be a great hire because he would find the right QB.

Mr_Tomahawk 12-03-2012 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9177575)
Not so sure.

IMO he would be a great hire because he would find the right QB.

An old retread vet?

chiefzilla1501 12-03-2012 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chronic (Post 9177552)
I heard he was pushing to get Al to hire him in 2009- Word is he has a good relationship with Marc Davis the new owner- Kinda makes sense- Gruden loves those older vets- Palmer would be a perfect player for a Gruden WCO

Again... this is ignoring the fact that Gruden has been intently studying Chip Kelly's offense in Oregon. I am pretty sure Gruden is going to have a lot more spread than he usually runs.

Hammock Parties 12-03-2012 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 9177613)
An old retread vet?

I think the Gruden retread thing is being overblown.

He will draft a QB as soon as he is hired.

Sorter 12-03-2012 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9177622)
I think the Gruden retread thing is being overblown.

He will draft a QB as soon as he is hired.

Didn't he draft Shaun King?

Hammock Parties 12-03-2012 07:25 PM

No, the Bucs took him before Gruden.

Hammock Parties 12-03-2012 07:26 PM

Damn, Gruden could have picked Aaron Rodgers in 2005. Fail.

Sorter 12-03-2012 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9177667)
No, the Bucs took him before Gruden.

Well, that helps his case w/ me. Still would prefer others but I could live with Chucky. It can't be worse than what we have now...

Sorter 12-03-2012 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9177670)
Damn, Gruden could have picked Aaron Rodgers in 2005. Fail.

And that just ****ing crushes it IMO...

ouch

chiefzilla1501 12-03-2012 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9177622)
I think the Gruden retread thing is being overblown.

He will draft a QB as soon as he is hired.

Agreed.

And he'll want to draft Geno over Barkley. He's not my top choice. But people have to get it out of their heads that he's going to be a stickler for WCO.

Hammock Parties 12-03-2012 07:29 PM

Other than that I don't see any QBs Gruden passed on that he should have taken. I mean he could have taken Drew Brees with the Raiders but...meh.

A lot of teams passed on Rodgers.

O.city 12-03-2012 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9177681)
Agreed.

And he'll want to draft Geno over Barkley. He's not my top choice. But people have to get it out of their heads that he's going to be a stickler for WCO.

You were the resounding voice this offseason saying coaches don't really change from what they are/were when we were talking about Romeo changing.


What makes you think Gruden will all of a sudden change?

HMc 12-03-2012 08:37 PM

Gruden describes at least one QB every monday night as "as good as anyone in the league today". I hope that's for TV and that he actually more discerning than that.

SAUTO 12-03-2012 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9177995)
You were the resounding voice this offseason saying coaches don't really change from what they are/were when we were talking about Romeo changing.


What makes you think Gruden will all of a sudden change?

he likes gruden?
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O.city 12-03-2012 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 9178008)
he likes gruden?
Posted via Mobile Device

I guess.


I'm just at the point where I don't really want to hire a guy based on the fact that he might "change" his previous philosophy. Seems these guys don't tend to change very often.

SAUTO 12-03-2012 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9178013)
I guess.


I'm just at the point where I don't really want to hire a guy based on the fact that he might "change" his previous philosophy. Seems these guys don't tend to change very often.

I agree
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Sweet Daddy Hate 12-04-2012 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 9177068)
Barkley going to the Faid.

schweet.

rabblerouser 12-04-2012 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 9176443)
What's Gruden's understanding of the "Al Davis brand of football"? His teams there played anything but that.

and in spite of Al Davis.


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