****The Official Chiefs OTAs Thread****
 

OTAs start today. Please post pictures and updates here and I'll try to keep the OP updated with any new developments.

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash">#Chiefs</a> rookie QB Kevin Hogan, a fifth-round 2016 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Stanford?src=hash">#Stanford</a> pick, threw a pass during team OTA on Tuesday. <a href="https://twitter.com/KCStar">@KCStar</a> <a href="https://t.co/uEZuqVZG4U">pic.twitter.com/uEZuqVZG4U</a></p>&mdash; David Eulitt (@davidphotokc) <a href="https://twitter.com/davidphotokc/status/735162353772204033">May 24, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash">#Chiefs</a> QB Alex Smith fielded two footballs during the camera-open portion of team OTA’s Tuesday. <a href="https://twitter.com/KCStar">@KCStar</a> <a href="https://t.co/GndlflsXSp">pic.twitter.com/GndlflsXSp</a></p>&mdash; David Eulitt (@davidphotokc) <a href="https://twitter.com/davidphotokc/status/735163544774135808">May 24, 2016</a></blockquote>
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The Great White Hope returns

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Alex Smith likes his balls two at a time.

The bitch returns.

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According to Reid, Tyler Bray is currently the backup QB.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The following players were not at the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash">#Chiefs</a>&#39; first practice today: Hali, Houston, Charles, Berry, Mike Williams and Vernon Harris.</p>&mdash; Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/TerezPaylor/status/735169792261378048">May 24, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Justin March and Phillip Gaines did on-field drills.</p>&mdash; Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/TerezPaylor/status/735170053709107200">May 24, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Reid says Mike Williams has a hamstring strain.</p>&mdash; Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/TerezPaylor/status/735170487752523780">May 24, 2016</a></blockquote>
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So Berry is there?

I doubt it, as he's not signed with the Chiefs

That's what I was assuming, but why wasn't he listed with the other guys then?

They reported that Houston, Charles, and Hali were there doing their own workouts.

Because he's not currently a member of the team

Berry listed here as not being there

Oops, completely missed his name. Sorry.

Going to be interesting to see who lines up at LG with the first team. I know it doesn't mean much this early, but still curious.

Wait, I thought he was on the outs, and it didn't matter that he just signed a contract extension .

He's got seniority, so this isn't that surprising.

He's been on the roster 1 more year than Murray.

Exactly my point. We have three young guys in an open competition. It shouldn't surprise that the one with the most "experience" is starting out as the backup.

I guarantee you Murray ends up the #2, Hogan the #3, and Bray gets cut.

Bray missed the whole year last year, and they gave him an extension still. I think it says a lot that they are giving him the early nod for that position.

The guard spots are also very intriguing. We HAVE to find guys who can consistently be 'OK' or better.

woah. That's pretty wild he's ahead of Murray.

Can someone explain to me how to embed a tweet

His extension includes zero guaranteed money, zero signing bonus and is a Vet Min contract in which he won't be paid a cent unless he's on the 53.

As for the "early nod", I think they're giving him enough rope to hang himself.

Otherwise, the Chiefs wouldn't have invested a 5th in Hogan.

I'm also starting to gain this gut feeling that Houston is going to play week 1.

I know a lot of people have been saying that and I haven't exactly rejected the possibility, but there's just something different about his whole injury and recovery. I mean, who has ever seen a guy doing what he was doing in that video from 7 weeks post-surgery? And then I think about guys like Chris Harris and Von Miller who tore their ACLs at similar time periods, and they didn't miss a game.

I don't want to set expectations too high, but knowing the things Dorsey has said, and that he is in KC and working right now, my expectations are that he makes it back for every game.

PM Pestilence

:D

I guess what I'm trying to say is, I think they would like to see him take advantage of the opportunity. They are giving him the chance to do that.

The rest is up to him.

I dunno, I mean, there's only so many reps to go around. If bray is working with the 2s, seems their giving him his chsnce

He missed an entire season and got a minor extension, and then they promote him to primary backup. I say that's a good sign for the young man.

The point is they clearly like something they see and want to give him the chance to succeed. I'm not saying he's a shoe-in for a roster spot, but they certainly view him as having the inside edge.

Eh, it's the first OTA. The guy hasn't played any type of football since 2014 Training Camp and preseason due to his ACL injury.

And for reference, Eric Kush opened up last year as the starting center, with Morse at right guard.

We all know how that turned out.

Is it time to overreact yet? If not, just pm me when it's time. I always look forward to this time of year.

Reid said Justin Houston is in the building, he just didn't practice. - @TerezPaylor

Wish they'd give a better update.

Eric Kush

That, or they want to see how he handles that role, and understand that the position is very fluid depending on how he responds.

And he got outplayed and proved to not be versatile enough.

Being promoted on the roster is never a bad thing. Now it's up to Bray to earn that spot.

We all know he has the arm talent. We don't know if he's developed that 10cent head and carelessness with the ball.

Im sure it's a very fluid position. It's a 3-way dog fight. But Bray is getting the early nod.

I still can't believe anyone would root against him. He has the potential to not only become the QBOTF, but actually play an exciting brand of qb, something not seen since the Trent green years. At worst, he will be cut, no loss since he was undrafted.

Like what he had for lunch for instance?
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That and a timetable would do for me.

Right there is the key point.

Welp, we have a lot of interesting talent at Qb. First time in many years we can say that. Im sure everyone has someone they're rooting for. Murray, Bray and Hogan all have shown flashes and they all have some interesting tools that make one believe they could be "it". Im in the Bray camp. Football is entertainment and whippin' it all over the field entertains me.

Go Bray Go I never doubted you (I think I fell halfway off the wagon sometime around the phantom injury but now Im back on!)

I really do think Murray is the better QB though lol

Couldn't have said it better. The only reason I watch football is entertainment.

KeiVarae Russell still isn't signed right? Hope that changes this week

FWIW, Nelson took the 'first team' reps today in team drills, according to Adam Teicher.

This would have been different though had Gaines been able to participate in those. It looks like if we suited up and played today though, there likely wouldn't be any rookies starting. That could very well change obviously.

Not that it really matters now, but who've they got plugged in at RCB?

Russel isnt there yet I don't think

Exactly.

They aren't going to cut him without giving him one last shot at proving that he's indispensable. This happens all the time with guys on the fringe. They're going to give him his last, best shot to establish himself.

90% likely that he's cut but this is a smart staff. They're not going to cut him without giving him a chance to show that they shouldn't. Burying him on the depth chart and then cutting him would be a Pioli/Crennel move. This regime is smarter than that.

Knows the system.

I still like bray more than murray. Bray actually showed legitimate tools at Tennessee and even in his time here. Obviously he's got a bigger arm, but he was pretty good in and around the pocket.

But I'm guessing the 10 cent brain thing gets him in the end.

There's absolutely no way you can take that away from OTAs.

It simply means its not a foregone conclusion. If anything I'd say it means that Murray has a better chance at the 53 man because they're pretty sure they know what they have in Murray and don't feel the need to rush him out there without pads/contact just to make sure he knows the playbook.

His footwork will tell the tale.

His feet at Tennessee were just garbage so it kept him from being able to throw the ball where he wanted to twice in a row. He simply couldn't maintain the kind consistent mechanics that he needed to in order to make accurate throws.

He'd compensate for bad footwork, pick up a bad habit that worked, then 2 plays later his feet would do the right thing but his compensation would fire the ball wide or high or low. He spent his whole college career trying to throw to a strike zone that would essentially shift as he released. It's amazing to me that he managed to accomplish what little he did.

The 'legitimate tools' you speak of are really just one thing - he throws the ball really !@#$ing hard. His touch isn't great, his accuracy isn't great. He doesn't have 'plus arm talent' because that connotes more than just a strong arm. He simply has/had a cannon and little else. Apart from the inability to read defense, he simply didn't have the repeatability in his delivery that would allow him to succeed.

He's Ryan Mallett without the drug/alcohol problems. Eh...okay. He's worth sending out there with a better supporting cast to see if his feet are cooperating a little better or if he can run the offense, but I still don't expect much.

The only thing Bray showed that Murray didn't was a rocket arm.

I'm really excited to see what kind of front 4 groupings Sutton can create come this preseason. And of course by that I mean the season in general, but we'll get our first look come that home game against Seattle in August.

Once Houston is ready to roll, think about some of the multiple possible combos.

Assuming Dee Ford makes some progress, or perhaps even another guy behind him, the possible groupings are endless, and they are all filled with beasts.

Houston, Hali, Poe, Bailey, Howard, Jones, Ford.... should absolutely be the deepest pass rush in the NFL.

He had good pocket presense at UT. Like you said, it didn't amount to much, but being coached by Derek ****ing Dooley can't be that helpful

It's pretty much an unparalleled collection of tools, no doubt.

Hali's unquestionably the least physically gifted player in that group and it's not even particularly close. Every other guy in that group can either point to freakish speed, freakish strength or some combination of the two that are virtually unheard of even among NFL athletes.

That's the kind of skill-set that either gets a coach paid or gets him fired. There's no middle ground. If you can't get that group to rape faces, you need to seek alternate employment.

Ronald Leary, a guard whom the Cowboys gave a 2nd round tender, is requesting a trade.

Swap him for Knile Davis?

If we can make the money work, sure.

In a heartbeat by why would the Cowboys make that move? Couldn't they do better than a simple return man? It's not like Davis is going to take reps from Elliott after the draft capital they invested in him.

The problem is that Leary has almost certainly requested the trade due to compensation. It's his alternative to a hold out. Without getting a Berry extension done, we're in no better shape to offer him a LTC than Dallas is.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2016/5...owhead-stadium

Looks like the Chargers are focused on coming in a beating the hell out of Chiefs, Chiefs, Chiefs!!

I highly doubt they'd be taking Knile Davis for him.

Berry for Leary and a pick next year?

**** off and die.

From my understanding, Leary, while healthy, only started four games last year due to the signing of Collins. He started 15 games in 2014 and 16 games in 2013.

Dallas obviously overvalues him because they placed a 2nd round tender on him but hell, if the Chiefs can trade a couple players like DAT and Davis or a 4th in the 2017 draft, I think they should be all over it.

Again, not that it means a lot, but it appears that from photos on the Chiefs website, the starting offensive line was:

Fish-Fulton-Morse-LDT-Schwartz

They don't have pads on, the ol dl and such isn't really gonna make much difference during ota.

Just get thru this without any big injuries

As we saw last offseason and training camp, the offensive line is subject to (constant) change.

I hope they decide early and stick with it throughout (barring injury).

Mike williams apparently is out until training camp with a hamstring injury. Thats not ideal

Whoa, that long? It must a severe tear, right?

This could be the best O line we have had in years. With the best group of RB's in the AFC- I hope Andy ground and pounds teams old school PH style. :)

Don't like Williams' odds of sticking on the roster if he's not getting reps and timing down.

They signed this guy why? :rolleyes:

What's the downside?

What I don't get is Andy's decisions when it comes to guys coming back from injury at times on the OL.

It's like if a guy gets hurt who is pretty decent, but the team wins without him, he won't put him back in until another injury happens. I hope he cuts that nonsense out. Either way, with what appears to be solid talent at OT/C, we just need two guards to step up and be a little better than OK, and be reliable. Stay on the field. We get that, and it's the best line we've had in a good while.

Also, I haven't seen anywhere where it says Mike Williams is out until camp.

Who is that? The BYU WR?

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl...e79597052.html

“Somebody’s got to be the No. 2, so he’s the No. 2 right now,” Chiefs coach Andy Reid said. “We’re trying to get as many reps with each one of them as we can, but somewhere you’ve got to distinguish them.”